WHY Two Headsails? [Cutter vs Slutter vs Solent] | Sailing Wisdom
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What do Cutters, Slutters, and Solents have in common? Two headsails!
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Thanks a lot!! I was just searching for the name of the Solent Stay on google and got to a nice class about the mast we are just assembling!! I always love you explanation!!
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
Odd Life Crafting Glad it was helpful. It means a lot to me that you benefited from the video 😁
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
If you have any questions or need help with something rigging related, let me know! The best way to get in contact with my is by email: riggingdr@gmail.com
@OddLifeCrafting
4 жыл бұрын
@@RiggingDoctor 😊👌🏼⛵️
@OddLifeCrafting
4 жыл бұрын
@@RiggingDoctor Thanks a lot!! I definitely will!!
@TheTir1962
4 жыл бұрын
Hello Odd Life, watching one of my favorite rigging channels and who do I see...my favorite boat rebuilding couple!
I've been searching around the web for a beginner's explanation of sailing dynamics and rigging to satisfy my onset fascination of sailing, and all I've encountered are confusing biased justification of why a certain system is better because it is what they use in the Vendee Globe or American Cup.This is, by far, the best no BS, no hype explanation I've encountered on the net that actually makes sense on a cruising point of view.. Thank you so much.
@RiggingDoctor
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
As the owner of a cutter, I totally agree that 'gentling' your boat in heavy weather is the way to go. Less heal, less strain on the rigging and less strain on the crew. It's also makes the voyage enjoyable rather than a constant challenge.
You are a fantastic teacher. I learned a lot about rigging and the forces on a boat that I never really thought about before. Thank you!
This is probably the most informative video on whole KZread about the basics of standing rigging.
@RiggingDoctor
3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much
I don't know how many people I've listened to explain rigging, but now that I've heard your explanation I actually understand it! Thank you.
Nice job Herbie, the Solent rig also gives you the option of a simple ready to go tradewind downwind set up with both sails poles out , you have a great rig ,potentially reefable by rolling the head sails. There might be enough sail area to lower the chafe prone mainsail and still make decent time on a passage safely . Cheers Warren
Great Video ... I've been sailing a lot of years and this is the most succinct explanation I've found. Thanks!
That was great information, and I must say I am very much enjoying the rigging talks.
Great information! I’ve had a 80’ Hunter 37c for 20 years & have never heard it that clearly explained.
Super excellent description and info!!! I was really hoping there was a video like this and you have done it for me!!! Cheers Mate, and happy sailing!!!
Thank you very much for the great explanation. I agree with you what concerns the healing of the boat and I also prefer reefing earlier than later, it's easier and less stress for the rigging and the rudder. I really enjoy your videos, very interesting and informative content. Greetings from Germany and Fair Winds.
looking forward to the Gaff rigged schooner model with dowels and twine
@RiggingDoctor
5 жыл бұрын
Haha! I might make it to Portugal before I finish that model
I love this video. It was the first time I listened to Herbie on Sailing Vessel Wisdom at the Rigging Doctor KZread channel. I remember thinking quietly , " This kid is going to make a great sailor".
Thank you sooo much for your excellent explanations and rigging lessons. I find you are the best instructor out there. You are so clear and concise the way you demonstrate everything that it's easy to understand. I am in the process of making a change from sloops to buying a cutter. Now that you have given me the basic understanding of a cutter I am excited to get out there and try this. Thanks again
This is one of the best explanations of the basic concepts and comparisons of these sail types. Just found your channel and subbed up. Thanks!
Excellent!! It explains perfectly why I love my 37” Cutter. Thanks, Herb!
@alrafeca
5 жыл бұрын
I meant 37’....😬
@Dan_C604
4 жыл бұрын
I was going to say, do you love your model boat 37 inches long! But then you corrected it, lol
Bravo!! Best explanation and advice I have seen on the topic.
Thanks for a really good discussion about different kinds of rigging and some of the forces on the rigging. Totally agree if things get too windy just reef. It's the sensible thing to do, and it's easier on the boat.
that's great information Herb. I am considering adding a second forestay to create a simple downwind rig so now I know I'll have a Solent. That's kinda interesting too because the first time I sailed this boat was in The Solent (for your non uk subscribers - that's the bit of water between the Isle of Wight and mainland UK :-) )
Exceptional teacher, could not be explained any clearer. I now totally understand. Thank you so much.
Best explanation I have ever heard. Thanks so much Very informative of basic sailing stresses
Thank you so much for these excellent explanations. I am just adding a mobile inner fore-stay to my Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 49 and I'll double check some things now. Just to make sure the new headsail is not pulling too much to the front, without back-stay support. Thanks again!
I am just learning about sailing. I have been baffled by all the terms used for sail configurations. Your explanation just answered about a hundred questions I had rolling around in my head. Thank you very much for your presentation!
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help!!
Awesome explanations, thank you.
Thankyou for such informative videos. Really useful stuff.
Great explanation of reefing. Many think you reef to avoid heeling too much. True, but it’s really important for rig longevity, to not over stress the mast, and for safety.
Wow, fantastic explanation, and super helpful!
That was a lot to take in. Explained a lot. Amazing video. My Santana was my first sailboat and it took me forever to understand the running back stays. Now that I have been at it longer I’m looking forward to not having them on my beneteau. I also enjoy a deep heel to shake up the kids and guests but after thinking about that pressure I may slow it down, lol.
Thank you so much for this informative video. You are an excellent teacher. I just subscribed to your channel. keep up the great work.
best explanation i've listened too, thanks man
Good stuff!!! Keep it coming.
Great video. This stimulated a lot of ideas. Mast further aft, rotating wing mast, very high aspect main, most drive coming from foresails. I expect it's all been done
And this highlights a comparative advantage for my trimaran. The beam is wide enough for the swept sidestays to reduce the accute angle. That in turn leaves the wing mast free to rake fore and aft. When the jib is roller reefed, rake the mast back to move the CoE aft. Then again, if my boat is heeling 15%, I have bigger problems. Reef early and reef often!
Good video. My favorite is to have a staysail boom so that instead of tacking the staysail sheets you simply tack the backstays. Short tacking in light wind, drop the jib and you can ignore the backstays, just leave them slack. Also, rig your backstays to the center line of the boat to eliminate off center forces at the mast.
Absolutely the best explanation Will definitely subscribe.
Very good video. Thank you for the good info. Well explained.
@RiggingDoctor
10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
Fascinating and totally comprehensible. I'm a newb and feel like I got most of that explanation.
Very interesting, and informative. I agree with most of your healing philosophy, less strain on the rigging, sure. I have a Jason 35, cutter rigged. Thanks.
Your hand gestures indicating wind force... Makes so much sense. Thank you. Beautiful exploration
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome :)
We have ours cutter rigged. The most easy, best balance, lazyest setup we have is second reef on the main and the staysail up. The second reef on the main allows both running backstays to be tightened at the same time and the boom and the sail has clearance to pass both. Just awesome setup! The only problem is that we allmost never see enough wind for that setup! ;-)
Thankyou for many great videos. I had long agoo a small sloop (Staley 19) that I converted to a slutter, not by adding a inner fore stay but by adding a bowspreat and a outer fore stay. It was mostly to better light wind performance, and it worked realy well in light wind going against choppy sea, gave both better balance and better run against the waves. But why surprised me most was how good she balanced in medium winds going upwind when I added so much lateral force forward of the existing sailplane. Now I start to wonder how she realy was balanced before.
@cvanscho
Жыл бұрын
I'm messing around with similar ideas (albeit on a dinghy, not a keelboat), and I'm also surprised how little difference to the helm balance extra foresails can make..
Another great one! “Too Fast to Fish” -sounds like a tee shirt to me! I’ve really liked your new format, it’s really fun for me and different, Thanks!
EXCELLENT. I learned a lot.
This is a really helpful video. Thanks so much! Makes me think twice about heading offshore with a roller furler, especially an older furler. I think I’d rather set the capehorn and go forward to hank on the storm jib, even solo. You had me at downhaul and drifter :-) :-) :-)
Thanks so much, I've learned so much from this video!
With the twin spreader swept back rig of a lot of boats one can virtually set up a cutter rig to the top spreader with enough arft pressure from the swept back rig to do away with a runner , though i do have runners set up for heavier weather tied off to the rigging on a bungie, Cats with there wide base & swept back rig do away with runners completely .Nice post , like the bird
Thanks for the in depth explanation on sails. :)
Man! Your guys’ vids are so informative! Thank you !!!
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
👍
This was a super useful video! Cheers 🙏
@RiggingDoctor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Super informative vid. Thank you.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. I’m glad it was able to answer some of your questions :)
I find this series of discussions about rigging setups excellent. I would love to see this entire series redone with something behind the sailboat masts and rigging so that they are more visible. The color scheme of the background and the cord and dowels used for masts are similar enough that you can only clearly see them where the blue pillows are.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Very true, when we get back to Baltimore I will be redoing them with a black background.
good job on the explanation, fair winds !
Very informative video. Cutters looks so cool but clearly made for going in a strait line and not for tacking.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Very true. When we are racking a lot, we only fly the staysail to make our lives easier. Out in the ocean when you are on the same tack for a week, flying the jib is not a chore since you will never be tacking it through the slot.
Excellent description!
Very informative. I bought a 39' cutter rigged Cavalier several years ago and decided to take off the inner stay and running back stays for the time being, as I'm currently only doing local coastal cruising ( plus I'm also relatively new to sailing - so wanted to simplify my rigging). As I get ready to do some offshore sailing, I've debated whether or not to reinstall the cutter rig. After seeing this video, I'm most certainly going to set it back up as a cutter. Thank you for the clear and precise explanation.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Offshore, the staysail is the only sail that was up almost the entire ocean crossing.
@ITAOB
2 жыл бұрын
@@RiggingDoctor Do you have a boom for your staysail? If so, any images/video of it in action? Thank you.
All sensible information, thank you.
On our little trailer-sailor, we have been trying headsails set flying. Not very close winded but not bad. We have a genoa up front hanked onto the stay, with a downhaul, and we are thinking of launching a small jib set flying behind the stay for strong winds. This sail position is also suitable for a light weather spinnaker of some description which we have been trying out.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Flying jibs have a long history on sailboats for a reason.
Damn! Rigging school in 20 min!! Information worth gold!! Thank you so mich!
Its amazing the amount of terms there are for different setups.
@G11713
5 жыл бұрын
Apparently, Eskimos (Inuits) have 50 names to describe the different types of snow.
Great Video. Thanks! I have a 1960 Skorgenes (Norway) 41' Mahogany Sloop. It has 1 back stay, 2 running back stays (steel cable with block and tackle to the cockpit), check stays, cutter rig set up with sail track on the mast and fore deck and 2 forestays coming off a "Y" at the bow, both going to the mast head, one port & one starboard. I have NO furlers. I can run a solent rig (I know technically the Solent is aft of the forestay, not next to it). with either the Genoa or the Jib flying with no tacking problem as the No. 1 sail doesn't have to squeeze between the space that would be there if it were a normal Solent rig. Oh and I don't have a boom Vang, I have preventers, one port and one starboard. The Naval Architect that designed this boat for an Oslo businessman built it for North Sea and Baltic Sea navigation. She is now being refurbished while sailing the San Francisco Bay Area. Fair winds and following seas.........
Thanks for the great info... Well explained
@RiggingDoctor
Жыл бұрын
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Excellent. Looking forward to it. Thanks Herbie. I'm actually in the dentist chair waiting for my new crown fir number 16 to mill. Have a great day
@RiggingDoctor
5 жыл бұрын
Cerec crowns are pretty awesome!
I have owned sloops, a 44’ cutter and a 46’ ketch. Hey! They all work. And I liked them all. For a larger boat, really liked the ketch, especially short handed. Vessels under 40, yeah, a sloop is fine.
excellent explaining
Thank you , I have learned so mini thing from you all , thank you , Andy
@RiggingDoctor
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help!
Thanks for the great info!
My West Solent is similar to the Solent design you mention, but the Solent stay doesn’t run to the top of the mast, it runs to the same point as a cutter goes to on the mast, 2/3rds up.
This is by far one of the best 'teaching/explaining " videos I've seen. Thank You!
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@melinda5777
4 жыл бұрын
@@RiggingDoctor I just saw one of your videos last week and have been trying to get up to your 'time'. Wished I'd have seen the one's on Teceria when you were there. I was stationed there from, well along time ago. Some of the sites look the same. Others I think they have made it easier for people to find. Like the walk through the forest videoo. Back in my day, you had to know a local to get back in there where you guys were. It was so nice to see. Especially Pria De Victoria! Love that little town. Thanks Again.
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
Terceira really was one of our favorite places that we have visited on this trip. When we fly back to the states for Christmas, we are trying to organize the flights to have some time there so we can get a good visit in :)
@melinda5777
4 жыл бұрын
@@RiggingDoctor There is a husband and wife that have their own business there on Teceria, they have really great deals from out of Boston w/hotel stay all included.
That was one of the best and simple explanations I've seen. Thanks.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful :)
I really enjoyed your solent discussion video
Love the bucket of rocks analogy. Thanks for the clear, concise video!
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
👍 you are welcome :)
This is great! Thanks so much!
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
What about covering a sloop with a high aspect main and large genny? When you have this you need a baby stay and running backstays to stop the mast pumping. My boat is a Wauquiez Pretorian 35
Love your work
Thanks Herbie. You make it easy to understand. I'm new to sailing, although I'v run power boats most of my life. When you do your episode on ketch rig can you do some comparing to schooner rig?
@RiggingDoctor
5 жыл бұрын
I am almost done editing that episode now
Geez Herbie. That was fantastic. Although, I have questions as though I just sat through a class. Guess I did. So, I have a 22 foot sloop. I intend to take it to the east coast this summer to begin live aboard at a cheap marina where I can get practice on bigger bodies of water near the ocean. (This is the tentative plan.) I plan on living very cheaply to save money to upgrade to a bigger boat for coastal cruising and sailing in the Caribbean Sea. What rigging set up would you recommend for a slightly cautious and new to being in charge sailor? By the way, please keep educating us on all things that require some configuration.
A lot of sense. And even though I’m a sailor I learnt a bit too....
Thanks for the explanation on boat design and rigs . Now I am happy with the boat I am building.👍
@RiggingDoctor
11 ай бұрын
What are you building? Can you send me pictures to my email (riggingdr@gmail.com)? I love seeing other designs to get ideas for our own project.
great information!!!
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
As it turns out all I had to do is watch this video instead of bugging you. Should have known the Rigging Docter would have a video on exactly what I was asking about. Figures Thanks a bunch my friend, love ya.
Just to add another variation. Our Solent rig has the two headsail furlers, parallel, about two feet apart. In light winds we can tack the genoa between the two stays. We have runners as the attachment of the inner furler is about 7ft down from the top of the mast. Going to windward in heavy weather the runners give is an advantage with mast stiffness and reduced mast pumping. It's an option we like.we set it up like this out of preference. It works well
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the best of both worlds!
solid rod fore stay take it you have not heard of them great for inner stays
Great explanation - than you!!
Thanks for this. Great explanations. When are you guys going sailing again.
@RiggingDoctor
4 ай бұрын
This summer!
Great video, cheers.
@RiggingDoctor
8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@RiggingDoctor
8 ай бұрын
Thank you
That's really being in tune with your pet 😂
Good comments. I love cutters but you would also love a ketch for steady sails.
@RiggingDoctor
4 жыл бұрын
I was originally looking for a ketch but couldn’t find one that fit my requirements! By luck I stumbled on my boat and it checked all the boxes except the mizzen
So question on the cutter design with the back stays? If it was on a trimaran could you just run the back stays to the outriggers to get proper angle and clear for main sail tack?
Thanks, I know way more now thanks to you!
@RiggingDoctor
6 ай бұрын
Happy to help!
I learned a thing or two, maybe ten things. Thanks buddy.
@RiggingDoctor
8 ай бұрын
😉
Very informative
Herbie: Thanks or making this so easy to understand. I've really been enjoying this series. Would you add some discussion about a ketch rig ? I've been looking at Ketches because I like what I've seen about their performance in heavy weather. Also, I have noticed that in many of the videos made on these, the engine noise seems very low. I haven't ridden on one yet, but am planning on that soon. I would love to know what you think have having a mizzen, and your thoughts on ketches in general. Thanks again. You are the rigging doctor!! :-) Steve B.
@RiggingDoctor
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! The first video on ketches will be soon, but it just talks about rigging. The following set of videos will be when I make the sails and we will once again cover ketches in more depth ;)
On my newly acquired inline 2spreader m/h sloop, I guess I have a 'tiny thing' 18:10 (aka baby stay?) It attaches at the 1st spreader. It has a small block system at its base (which hovers above a super-size deck-cleat). Is it designed to raise a staysail or just add support when the genoa is being reefed?
@RiggingDoctor
5 жыл бұрын
The baby stay is there to help give the mast proper bend by pulling the lower section forward. This starts the bend and the backstay then finishes it off by pulling back on the top.
Great video
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
I personally love cutters for sail availability reasons. Though I wouldn't sneeze at a normal sloop either, they are just more work, and have larger mainsails that can cause issues....
@feshfeshsailing
5 жыл бұрын
Issues like broaching in following seas and strong winds?
@allynonderdonk7577
5 жыл бұрын
@@feshfeshsailing Yup...since a lot of sloops have more sail area it can be an issue. The wind is more likely to push a boat right over. Though generally you can get more sail area out which means a faster boat. That speed can pay a price as a trade off in a small percentage of reduction in safety.
The asides were very useful. So over canvassed and deep heeled must add as much stress to leaded keel bolts as it does to shrouds?
Excellent explanation. A joy to watch. Question. We have a Beneteau F235 with a furling headsle and a main with 3 reefs. The boat has a baby stay that I was thinking about putting a small stay sail on so that it ballances better with a 3rd reef. Note we don't go out in third reef weather but somtimes we get caught in a squall and need to use it. What do you think? Thanks. All the best.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
In third reef weather, a tiny sail on the baby stay will give you better balance but won’t be large enough to give you much drive. In lighter winds, it’s not going to be of much service. We have a reef in our staysail and when reefed, the wind needs to be at least 40 knots for it to give us drive (but we can make way in 40 knots of wind with a balanced sailplan).
Very good explanation but you should also include in this context the 3/4 or 7/8 rigged sloops which share some features with cutters (like backstays). They are quite common.
We have three headsail stays. Two forward ones with roller furlers. The other is hank on. Not sure what it is called but the whole system gives lots of options.
@RiggingDoctor
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the best of all worlds!