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@Paolo8772

6 ай бұрын

Hi, @CoasterDash!

you cant forget the oddily specific record “THE TALLEST AND FASTEST TRIPLE LAUNCH STRATA COASTER”

@ThatRobloxianGamer

5 ай бұрын

Tallest and fastest MULTI LAUNCH coaster would be less specific and sound better.

@rcengineer

2 ай бұрын

coincidentally also the only triple launch strata coaster

You cant say it sucks if you havn't ridden it yet.

I agree with everything you said except about twisting the spike. straight spikes are just better ride experience wise. They give you pure sustained weightlessness not interrupted by any laterals. And besides, you already have an entire 420ft twisted drop!

@sliced1345

5 ай бұрын

Completely agree!!! In fact, if anything, I would straighten up the drop - it would make it more scary.

@leighyorgason6702

4 ай бұрын

¹​@@sliced1345

Honestly the one element on new dragster I'm looking forward to is the 270 degree twist down the main drop. The Zamperla trains are higher up than the OG trains so the twist down the tower will give more insane laterals than the OG, especially if you're sitting on the left side.

@CoasterDash

7 ай бұрын

Excellent point! I’m curious to see how the forces will feel with the new trains.

@Username-bh8bl

Ай бұрын

After riding it yesterday, this is 1000% true. Back seat and you’re flying out of your seat and to the side the whole drop. Honestly might be my favourite drop in the park. Must ride in back

It seems like everyone around me on Pantheon LOVES being launched backward up a spike. This is only going to be higher and faster. Think everyone is gonna love it

@fredsanford336

6 ай бұрын

I agree but CP probably only cares whether these plebes are satified🤣

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, but it's gonna be undermined by a third launch that barely accelerates and has no ejector airtime hills. If you love Possessed, you'll love this. If you love Pantheon...TT2's spike isn't a warmup, it's almost the climax of the ride. That's not great pacing.

@fanta104

4 ай бұрын

@@brianfoss571ejector airtime hills? since when did regular dragster have that?

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

@fanta104 Way to miss the point, man. Dragster's overhaul could have involved **adding** ejector airtime hills like Pantheon's if Intamin were involved. There would have been ample budget for this if Intamin set up a 60 mph backward launch up a 150 ft spike, followed by the forward launch to 120 mph. But since Zamperla's doing this with limited experience converting accelerator coasters, they're doing 3 launches, which requires a significantly taller spike. So CP wouldn't be willing to spend more adding airtime pops.

In 5 years it will have to be redone by Intamin, they'll add a twist to the backwards spike, a bunny hill in the middle and the name will be T3.

@macemaster5295

7 ай бұрын

Lol, I love the T3 reference

@SNORKYMEDIA

7 ай бұрын

Nah six flags will tear it down and build batman the ride

@Aidanthewatermelon

7 ай бұрын

@@SNORKYMEDIAthey would make it taller and Callie the top Batman or smth

@randomdefender1532

7 ай бұрын

Or better they can remove the spike and restore the 0-120 mph launch.

@orionscythe

7 ай бұрын

and turn it into an SLC

I think people are seriously under estimating traveling 100-120 mph for the entire length instead of just briefly. Yes it won’t have the punch but it will definitely be an experience like no other.

This video is not going to age well. The reviews have been amazing now that it's opened

@tyfallon

Ай бұрын

Imagine reviewing a coaster you have never been on 💀

@randomdefender1532

Ай бұрын

Let's see how long that popularity actually lasts!

@bennyftw885

24 күн бұрын

This comment is not aging well

I don’t know what to think about Top Thrill 2, at least there’s Steel Vengeance, Maverick, and Millennium Force 🤷‍♂️

@Keystone_Koasters

7 ай бұрын

And magnum, raptor, gatekeeper, and Gemini

@chazgames3690

7 ай бұрын

And a lineup that is better than every ride in the uk 😢😂

@oked2011

7 ай бұрын

​@@chazgames3690NOPE in the UK theres alton towers and thorpe park some of there coasters a RECORD BRAKEING

@IndyCoasterCreator

7 ай бұрын

@@chazgames3690 Hyperia, Saw, Nemesis, Smiler, Icon, Sik and Stealth all seem way better than Cedar Point's B&Ms

@neilrefusekid

7 ай бұрын

steel vengeance, milliennium force, maxx force, fury 325: *aM i A jOkE tO yOu?*@@oked2011

We are glad that the spike doesn't twist - it takes away from the airtime. I think you're seriously underestimating how insane a spike this high with only lap bars will feel. Also, 120 mph is 120 mph. The first launch won't be as punchy, but the ride overall will not feel slow. Top Thrill 1 was an amazing couple seconds of force but over so quickly - it was never the best in the park. With the longer ride time, 3x launches and better reliability, this has a chance to top the original, overall as a ride.

@mack.attack

5 ай бұрын

yes that's why toyota camrys are just as fun to drive as lamborghinis, 120mph is 120mph. also i know exactly how it will feel, it will feel exactly like superman: efk. it will go the same speed and therefore reach the same height. lol

@j.johnson7891

5 ай бұрын

@@mack.attack riding in on a roller coaster is a bit different than riding in any car so that's a bad comparison. Superman EFK has total different trains and lap bars so that's a bad comparison as well

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

@@j.johnson7891 Keep in mind that most of the extended ride time is occurring on *straight track* with mild acceleration. On the third "launch", you're mostly feeling the wind hitting your face. If you find that thrilling, cool. But I'd have liked to see some ejector airtime pops added to the launch segment. I expect the wait for the back row on the spike will be worth it, as that'll send you about 20 feet higher than EFK does. But otherwise, TT2 will feel more like Wicked Twister than Dragster. Fully expect I'll enjoy Raptor more than this.

@timothykaczmarek5871

4 ай бұрын

Top Thrill was NOT the most fantastic thing. It was a major problem for the park. A spike with a twist is a LOT better than what they did with this 'new' thing. There's no airtime on this thing so you don't know what you are talking about

@timothykaczmarek5871

4 ай бұрын

It was a good comparison.

I’ve now ridden it 3 times. It’s leaps and bounds better than the original setup. The reverse spike is incredibly intense and the new faster speed at the top flings you out of the seat. Wish they would have done this years ago

Well the verdict is in,and so far the ride is getting RAVE reviews! Hard core coaster enthusiasts,are saying the speed with the ejector air time is absolutely INCREDIBLE!!!!

@randomdefender1532

28 күн бұрын

Popularity can't last forever though. Let's see how long that actually lasts for

@ceilingunlimited-cp5kq

28 күн бұрын

@@randomdefender1532 Lol nothing last forever. But even old rides are still popular with high ridership.

@randomdefender1532

28 күн бұрын

@@ceilingunlimited-cp5kq But some ride's popularity fades faster than others.

@randomdefender1532

28 күн бұрын

@@ceilingunlimited-cp5kq But some ride's popularity fades faster than others. Look at how Intimidator 305 (now Project 305) and Skyrush turned out!

@stephenlee1664

27 күн бұрын

I'm fucking livid because this ride is closed the one trip I'm able to take to Cedar Point this summer. This has severely soured my view of this coaster and has set a pretty shitty first impression. I hope this doesn't continue to be a issue, but man I don't have much faith in Zamperla to begin with.

I’ve never ridden the original Dragster, but I understand why not everyone is on the idea of it having a swing launch section. That launch taking you 120 mph is what made Top Thrill Dragster so popular. These new changes definitely will feel weird for those who have ridden it. That being said, that 400 spike looks absolutely insane. I’ve ridden Pantheon at Busch Gardens, and that 180 foot spike already felt crazy enough, so I’m curious to see what that’ll be like

@SkyrushFanboy

7 ай бұрын

Nice ff7 profile pic

@jaredbumbis

7 ай бұрын

I was lucky enough to ride TTD in 2020 and the launch felt insane. I was scared of going 400ft and the launch quite literally blew me away. Cant imagine it without that launch

"It's not going to end well" -Owen Grady from velocicoaster's pre show

If the launch was split into two more powerful sections with a bunny hill in between nobody would be complaining

@CoasterDash

7 ай бұрын

Completely agree!

@Haazza

7 ай бұрын

Yeah they should’ve just launched backwards first and then one more going foward completing the top hat, would be so much more fun and powerful and with the airtime hill in the middle

@czechmatebro

7 ай бұрын

​@@Haazza but there would not be much space for the backwards launch so the spike would not be very tall.

@Haazza

7 ай бұрын

@@czechmatebro they could move the station forward a bit to get it up to like 70 in like 3 seconds then up the spike, it doesn’t matter if it would be shorter than the original spike the acceleration is worth it, and then through the second launch up to 120mph through the airtime hill

I've ridden Top Thrill Dragster twice, and the launch was always the best part. I will have to ride it once it's back open, but I'm also concern it won't be as forceful.

I'd imagine the spike being that tall is in case it has a second rollback, it's going the same speed that Dragster did so they'll probably happen at some point out another, and then they can just let you coast up the spike before letting you go over the top hat

Never rode top thrill dragster, unfortunately, but luckily I’ve got Kingda Ka nearby. I love it, wish I could’ve been able to compare them. Top thrill 2 looks cool and I’m excited to check it out next year, but I can understand why someone who loves the original would be disappointed by this new design. I don’t want them to ever change Kinda ka!!

@cottenplayz

6 ай бұрын

kingda ka needs to replace their restraints the over the shoulder restraints just look painful especially on the tallest coaster

@gtrlyfe1012

6 ай бұрын

@@cottenplayz I can’t compare to the top thrill lap bar trains, but I’ve been on a lot of coasters with overhead restraints, and I personally have no discomfort riding it. As smooth as can be for such an intense launch/ride.

@cottenplayz

6 ай бұрын

@@gtrlyfe1012 yeah overhead restraints can be comfortable its just since kingda ka is an older ride i feel like its roughness with the restraints would probably be pretty uncomfortable cause well any camel back i feel would be painful in the airtime with any overhead restraints

@enderdragonrebel8026

Ай бұрын

@@cottenplayzthey are not allowed to do that By New Jersey law, all roller coasters taller than 300 feet are required to have over the shoulder restraints Edit: I’ve been on it, the restraints are fine

@randomdefender1532

Ай бұрын

@@enderdragonrebel8026 Should at least switch them out with the soft straps then.

I was smiling seeing the POV and FPV on the recent rides. I've never been so thrilled by a coaster VIDEO and the reactions by riders confirm an amazing experience. Hopefully you get to experience it in person soon - just let us know if you change your mind. TT2 LOOKS AMAZING imho

@CoasterDash

Ай бұрын

Stay tuned 👀

Yes, finally someone brings this up. I have been thinking the same thing with the launches. You don't get the force with such drawn out straight track, the spike is just to claim a record, and the increase in launch speeds will probably barely be felt. I think it still will be a fun ride, but may lose that elite status. I am hoping they will surprise us with faster launches for a "gotcha" gag to the announcement, but it's highly doubtful.😮‍💨

@huntzzio

7 ай бұрын

Dude everyone talks about how the launches will be forceless

@boltgaming248

7 ай бұрын

@@huntzzio if they like forceful launches they can go to japan and ride dododonpa and get spinal injury that is how forceful dododonpa is

@xzotic1

7 ай бұрын

@@huntzzio Because it's a big factor of the ride. When the ride originally opened the launch and the height is what drew crowds to the park. I'm not saying a 74mph launch is bad, I've been on plenty of launch coasters that have slower launches that have been great, TMNT Shellraiser, Storm Runner, etc. which are also forceful, but notice how short the launch section is, meaning more force is applied creating a burst. TT2's launch section is so long the launch will mostly be drawn out which will probably make it feel more like the passing launches on a Sky Rocket 2

@brandoncole5533

7 ай бұрын

I don't think it would lose it's elite status (the first full circuit strata could never) but I could see enthusiast's opinion of the ride then south

@thebe_stone

7 ай бұрын

@@boltgaming248 or just... drive to new jersey.

My question is, is going to go the full height of that spike if not that would be defeating the purpose.

I wonder is the slow lsm speed is due to then cheaping out on the teck? like even if you got to 100mph on the first launch then the full speed backwards so you can reach over 400ft backlwards and then the full 120 forwards would have been better

@fredsanford336

6 ай бұрын

Seems like you got it all figured out! They should have come to you for advice😂

@TheKnexMaker

6 ай бұрын

@@fredsanford336 there is no need for this passive aggresive comments. this comunity is full of speculation. just enjoy it

I saw that first pov Catagory is tow mater going over speed bumps

Let’s all be completely honest here, this means that Intamin is totally gonna serve it when Kingda Ka makes its inevitable final hydraulic launch someday. Really show Cedar Point what they were missing out on.

Im going to have to agree with you on this one! The new logo and teasers talk about "racing" and feature red and gray. I was hoping for a 2nd tophat, and trains would race. One up the gray tophat and one up the red tophat. first one backdown and across the finish "wins". After you cross the finish you go up the next tophat and get a rollback back into the station to unload/load. 2 full trains running each lap is double the capacity! Switch track could be utilized for any itinal rollbacks.

I'm most worried about capacity. With double the ride time I can only imagine how long the lines will be. I also think everyone would of preferred a twisted spike. Because this is uncharted waters for Zamperla I imagine they wanted to keep things as simple as possible. I will be there at the very end of next season once the hype has cooled off a bit and the kids are back in school. Looking forward to riding it. Fingers crossed the revamp goes smooth and this opens in time for next season.

@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills

7 ай бұрын

I like the straight spike. I wouldn’t have wanted a twist.

@69voxbeetle

5 ай бұрын

Look at the basics. CF decided to go with Zamperla instead of letting the original manufacturer do the revamp - This would probably equal cost savings, I do not see that as a smart move. Second, Cedar Fair merged with Six Flags. SF has the worst safety record in the industry. Third, Cedar Point has been going downhill ever since Mr. Kinzel retired and admission ticket prices have almost doubled. Y'all can ride this thing if you want to - I'm not getting on it.

@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills

5 ай бұрын

@@69voxbeetle I reckon they didn’t want to go with intamin because despite intamin’s reputation for building good coasters, they also have a reputation for unreliability. I don’t think any of us will ever truly know the reasons.

@SnowghostFilms

3 ай бұрын

The capacity would actually improve. 2 more people per train, same time between launches, and less downtime. Also, didn’t you guys want the drop to not be twisted, and now you are upset that you are getting a 400ft straight vertical drop?

honestly all i want is the larger rollback and this ride will be a 100% improvement. i think an airtime hill before the top hat is a great idea, but also some other ones around millennium island like the OG plans called for would be awesome too.

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

A larger rollback makes *ZERO* sense from a power consumption perspective. Seriously. All of the enthusiast fan POVs depicting this were phenomenally dumb and got us hyped for something that could never happen. In order to climb 350+ feet up the top hat, you have to launch to 105-110 mph on the first go. Even if Zamperla *could* do that reliably with their new Lightning trains, you're taking about 80% of the LSM's energy consumption per cycle and dumping it into the first 5 seconds, leaving the remaining 2 launches to do virtually nothing. Not only does that make the power budget unbalanced, it makes the last 2 launches even more anticlimactic than they already are. The first launch has to be mediocre to make the last two feel at least mildly thrilling.

@SuperFlashDriver

4 ай бұрын

@@brianfoss571 Well considered that you also have to take in wind and weather conditions, not to mention it may not be able to run during rainstorms or thunderstorms, anything can happen. And even then, if ti does rollback, hopefully the coaster will go back up the vertical part of the coaster and launch once more (say a third time or so), to make it even more anticipating to finally get over the hill, so the ride can last a minute longer than the usual time for the ride that actually operates. Again, unless this ride officially opens to the public, I'll be holding my opinion on how I feel about this coaster and such.

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

@SuperFlashDriver ...Huh? TT2 is already designed for 3 launches. You know that, right? And yes, that 3rd launch, boring as it will be, exists to ensure the train will clear the top hat in any SAFE OPERATING weather conditions. Really not sure what point you're trying to make. Or how it's relevant to my comment about power consumption.

@SuperFlashDriver

4 ай бұрын

@@brianfoss571 I think I meant if it does actually rollback or does not make it over the top hill and rollbacks, causing them to do 3 more launches to get it over the hill once more, making the ride much longer (and for me) more enjoyable to ride and such. As for power consumption, that part I wasn't talking about that one. Sorry for the confusion. But as for the name itself, they should have just stuck with "Top Thrill Dragster 2" just to keep the original name as a reminder of what used to be there before it was removed/renovated to become what it is now.

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

@SuperFlashDriver If a rollback were to happen after the 3rd launch, there wouldn't be 3 more launches, dude. There's be 2 more. One backward. One forward over the top hat. 😆😆 And they'd be pretty **weak, anticlimactic** launches since you're already going about 110 mph. That does not strike me as value-added runtime. And CP definitely wants to minimize that to cycle trains once a minute. And you know you can comment without replying to someone else who's commented, right? Simply click, "Add a Reply" below the OP. No need to drag me into this if you aren't responding to anything I said specifically. 😆😆

Personally i never went on Top Thrill Dragster and i prob will never ride Top Thrill 2 just because it's way to intense for me and i prefer medium sized coasters but i too am not a fan of Top Thrill 2. I've never been a fan of swing launches and now i think it's becoming really overused in modern coasters. I also imagine now that there is a swing launch that the average number of riders per hour will significantly decrease so i could see this ride not only being less exicting to ride but also a capacity nightmare especially when it opens next summer

@protowave

3 ай бұрын

combined with half the original number of trains, the capacity on this thing will be horrible

I’ll never forget my first trip to cedar point. For one, it was literally days after that lady got hit by the flying object. And two, my bf was cheating on me and made me cry several times at the park. I always wondered if we made it there earlier if I would’ve ridden top thrill or not or would I have been that lady. I was always uncertain about TTD because it just seemed like it was too extreme for me. But I’ll be interested in seeing what this one does and maybe one day I’ll ride it

You mentioned saying that people only rode dragster for the launch, idk how many will agree with me but I think people are going to ride this just for the spike.

i think your idea for the reverse corkscrew on the spike is a good idea. mabey make the first launch 40 percent stronger to get a better roll back, and a good name would be aftershock or rebound or something with a back and forth feel. whipcracker mabey

I am curious what your thoughts are on six flags and cedar fair merging!!

@CoasterDash

7 ай бұрын

I’m not sure what to think, but less competition can’t be good

Might wanna take this down bud. Rode it Thursday and it’s better than ever!

You gotta wonder..Are these accidents planned? Some lady mysteriously gets hit in the head and we get a new coaster?

@iliketrains3546

3 ай бұрын

You gotta wonder… a lady gets hit in the head by an unreliable, expensive ride and after that CP decide to change the ride so that doesn’t happen again. Or maybe a CP worker just threw some metal at that lady so we could get a new ride. Yeah that makes so much more sense

@randomdefender1532

Ай бұрын

Normally I don't believe conspiracies, but I'm starting to think CP intentionally neglected the ride (especially after Covid) and may have left the scews loose on the plate so something would happen and they'd have a reason to no longer deal with an unreliable ride. I'm be extremely TO'd at CP (and we should all be) if that's actually true.

You might be eating your words bud. I dont live in ohio but i make the drive every year to cedar point. If you love dragster, you would be happy its still standing. I have seen some of the medias reactions to riding it, and it seems there is good floater time on the mini rollback and also amazing g's on the way backwards up the vertical tower. The news reporters are raving about it when they rode it. Yes your right itll be missing the 120mph launch. But as a true legitimate roller coadter lover, im happy to see that at least dragster is still there and the ride time is longer. Plus idk any other coaster that goes over 100mph backwards up a tower. Id say ride it 1st and then make your video. Im looking forward to it and as a cedar point regular, and am very happy to see that part of the park alive again! Plus maybe thatll lower the line for steel vengeance.

UK here and never rode TTD but agree with the view on the launch. I recently rode Mack’s Icon at Pleasure Beach and the launch is dead with these new LSMs compared to Rita at Alton Towers that is hydraulic and only 10 mph faster. Completely different experiences. Hopefully will get to ride this in the near future🙂

Well this video aged like fine milk

I would have really liked to see it retrofitted with an Air Launch, but I'll always and forever vote for that! 0-120 in less than 2.5 secs would be bonkers. I know, not realistic so my other options would be either the back spike semi inverted or they way it is with the Premier boosters towards the top. I think they're just trying not to go totally crazy so it remains semi-reliable. I think it'll be good the way it is, the GP will probably love it.

I think Cp didnt want to pay the same company twice to work on the same coaster. I rode Top Thrill since it was build and nothing can replace the feel of that hydraulic launch, i wish they could have did it with LSM instead of using the momentum of the spike, but we shall see when i ride it next season

@Dheast

5 ай бұрын

I would abbreviate cedar point *MUCH* differently next time bro.

The part thats the toughest to swallow is the initial launch going like 20% up the top hat

Yes, this is exactly what we’ve been saying this whole time. The last 2 launches will feel like straight track

I agree with everything in this video, and I'll add that I bet they will have tech issues with the switch track, causing breakdowns.

@EricaSwan.

6 ай бұрын

The idea of the swit h track sketches me out. Not for any reason. I love coasters more than is probably healthy, but I have a lot of irrational anxieties around them too, and this is a new element that gives me some. Lol

@travisvanalst4698

3 ай бұрын

@@EricaSwan.There are lots of reliable coasters that have a switch track lol.

@EricaSwan.

3 ай бұрын

@@travisvanalst4698 I know. That's why I said it's not for any reason. Also kinda exactly why I called it anxiety. lol. It's totally irrational and I get that.

@randomdefender1532

Ай бұрын

If this becomes a maintenance nightmare then that would've made the makeover pointless! If that's the case probably should've just kept it as it was.

I was super excited about Top Thrill 2, but you made some good points. If I ever go to Cedar Point again I'll wana ride it, but yea, not much compares to a 0-120mph launch. I like longer roller coasters but I loved Top Thrill Dragster so much I had to call someone after I rode it to say how cool it was.

The one thing I do aggree with is that I do think Intamin would have been better suited for this coaster instead of Zamperla. One more thing, although most people ride this coaster for the launch, my mother rode top thrill dragster when it first came out in 2003 and it became her favorite coaster solely because of the 400 foot drop with just a lap bar.

Using Zamperlas Back in Forth System while Intamin would literally yeet you up there in no time is just crazy.

If I remember correctly, the CEO of Cedar Point said TTD was the biggest mistake they ever made, and I would have to agree. That thing always broke down, multiple times in line even. If I remember correctly, when it was relatively new the news said soemthing about someone getting metal shards in their face from the ride. I don't understand why people are upset about going with a different manufacturer, they did a bad job on TTD, they did a bad job on shoot the rapids. Honestly if they can get the ride to be reliable that would be great, and I am terrified of heights, so I am looking forward to being on the back of the train so I can stare downwards.

Well, good news. It's closed indefinitely for repairs. The refurbishments failed!

Agree, the first launch will feel pretty lame, compared to the original. Why wouldn’t they launch you fast enough to almost clear the top hat, giving you a true “rollback“ experience? Then add enough backward launch to travel almost to the top of the backward spike? That would be an awesome ride!

With the new launches it's flying over the top hat at a very fast speed compared to previously

Yeah, thinking about it, it is super-weird that they wanted to make it more reliable... so they went to a manufacturer that had never done an LSM launch before to retrofit it with an LSM launch. Guess there's no possibility of the launch mechanism exploding now, but there's no guarantee it'll have any less downtime.

It's disappointing. No new height, no new speed, and the lines are going to be way longer now because it can only use 1 train.

Maybe we should give Zamperla's completely revamped Coaster division a chance before completely discrediting them like this, though? The ride's not even open yet. Thoosies act like they won't still ride it and enjoy it, and they get way too over-critical.

@marcusmcgraw3519

7 ай бұрын

Thank you. Coasters enthusiasts ruin EVERYTHING they touch. Did you notice how lightning rod removed the launch off their ride completely, and coaster enthusiasts give it a pass anyways? They’re total hypocrites

@fredsanford336

6 ай бұрын

oooh yayyyy! Another person with common sense😃This brings the grand total of non-snowflake fans to 4!

From what I have heard it wasn’t cedar fair that didn’t want to work with intamin, but intamin that didn’t want to work with cedar fair. CF went to a 3rd party to get replacement parts for volcano instead of intamin which caused problems that in part lead to its closure. We’ll see how the merger changes the relationship though.

@EricaSwan.

6 ай бұрын

I keep wondering how this merger will do with all the intamin rides. I know intamin can be unreliable but they make damn good coasters and tbh, CP is need of a damn good coaster (I don't care who makes it, but things have been so blah since steel vengeance imo)

The swing launch and "ooo backwards launch so scary" (by acceleration EfK is actually a more powerful backwards launch since it starts from 0 lol) and "every ride has a rollback" are almost certainly intended to appeal exclusively to people who never rode the original and don't know what made it good. Also, aside from Intamin being the best choice, S&S has been refining their pneumatic launches for over 2 decades now, so their current offerings are likely far more reliable than the mechanical launches of 20 years ago. Since Dododonpa closed, that acceleration record is now up for grabs, and we all know how Cedar Point loves their records. Stealth may be only half the height of Dragster, and 2/3 the speed, but the launch on that thing means it's almost certainly the better ride now.

I called this when they confirmed the spike. The launches would have to be broken up otherwise and weird since there's no point in making the spike tall if youre not going fast but if you're already going that fast to get up the spike then the third launch will have to be weak. I wish I got to ride ttd before the change

I think this ride describes the current state of Cedar Point perfectly. That park is so dissapointing and nothing they do is impressive.

@alecscheerer_run

7 ай бұрын

Facts. Cedar Point's best days are behind them. This is another perfect example of why Cedar Point is continuously sinking in the ratings

@kaijohnson5033

7 ай бұрын

Yup. Cedar Point keeps going down the tube and I haven’t been back for that reason. I won’t be supporting something that shows so little respect for the people who go there solely because they’re the roller coaster capital.

@randomdefender1532

7 ай бұрын

I'd say their peak was 2018-2021 between the opening of SteVe and closing of TTD. Now they're no longer putting 100% into the park like they used to.

@alecscheerer_run

7 ай бұрын

@randomdefender1532 Ehh, I say their peak was 1989-2011, given the amount of top quality and high thrill rides they were putting in, all of which were either great or very good. After that, the only memorable thing they've done was Steel Vengeance in 2018. But we can definitely agree Cedar Point's best days are behind them regardless

@Ihatethoosies

7 ай бұрын

@randomdefender1532 They've only built two ground up thrill coasters since 2007 its the most overrated park on the planet. And not even in the top 10 for best coaster parks.

I think people really underestimate how close TTD was to being fully removed. Not saying that makes this a great ride, but if you had to choose, I’m thinking most enthusiasts would vote to keep it as-is. It was never, ever going to come back as it was or with an upgraded layout. They pinched every penny they could to keep it, and the GP truly won’t think twice about it.

@lionpaw2024

5 ай бұрын

I mean to be fair it is making a comeback with an upgraded layout isn't it?

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

Great point. The main reason it wasn't removed is it's a massive plot. If CP were to replace it with a record-breaking Mack XSC, that's a $35+ M investment on top of the cost to dismantle Dragster. Fact is it's much cheaper to add new trains, LSMs, a vertical spike, and a fresh coat of paint. And if doing the bare minimum to keep it operational gives the GP a coaster that's more like Wicked Twister than Maverick, that's a win-win for the park.

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

@@lionpaw2024 Are there new airtime hills on the launch track or just before the brake? Sadly, no. The spike is only there because it's necessary to set up the 3rd launch. CP isn't doing anything more than what's required to keep it operational with minimal maintenance.

It's basically what I expected, sadly. I did actually think they'd add a Kingda-Ka like camelback before brake run. Was hoping for a helix. But didn't get either. Let alone a bunny hop swing launch. Which are an improvement over a normal swing launch. I'm just not a huge fan of swing launches. I mean, they're cool. But too many coasters are doing them now.

I appreciate that rant! Top Thrill 2… It kinda looks weak to me. Let’s b honest, we rode Dragster for the launch I will never forget Dragster, waiting on line all day, then it would break down for like an hour or two. You get closer to the front of the line, they close it down due to bad weather expected, another hour wait, finally in the gate,!!!! You are next (4.5 hours later) 🤣🤣 I would do it all over again for that launch!! (In all honesty, that launch was dangerous and as very sympathetic and sorry I am For all those people injured at Dragster) it just seemed that launch really was super maxing out the train. Why didn’t Cedar Point go with whoever made that Ferrari coaster. That looks like a hell of a launch. The only way I guess we have to accept Top Thrill 2, is that during the design, Cedar Point more than likely said…. “As long as the new coaster has little to no mechanical down time or components that may be out under stress and cause harm or injury, build it “ They definitely had to protect their asses from future law suits and liabilities. Got to understand at the end of the day, it’s still a business built to make $.

I don’t get this, it hasn’t even opened yet, we don’t know how it even will be

@dominicbonavita2.087

7 ай бұрын

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I’m excited because I haven’t experienced the original, and the only model similar I have experienced is KK at SFGA

Great video! Yeah i agree its a dumb name 😆 i agree it wont be quite as good as the original. Different but thats it. Could be more reliable with the LSMs. I enjoyed watching!

Thank you! You stated it perfectly

I just get confused with one thing This usually gets a pretty long wait time even with dispatch’s being as fast as humanly possible. Cedar point knows it’s a good ride for guest…so why did they make it longer and with less capacity? That swing launch will be cool when you’re on it but waiting what might be 3+ hours just to get on it sure as hell isn’t going to be fun to wait

I personally think it needs to be given a chance. Intamin coasters are notorious for breaking down. Let’s just go ride it with an open mind rather than finding reasons why it’s going to be disappointing 😃. Velocicoaster, pantheon and toutatis have all had issues this season. It becomes a bit monotonous when something breaks down all the time.

@oneandonlysound3453

6 ай бұрын

Completely agreed. I wish both El Toro and Kingda Ka (the latter getting this makeover, the other preferrably GG/GCI but idk might have to be RMCed the pre-fab track always has many questions raised) would get makeovers. Shadow selfs and broken down way too often.

@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills

6 ай бұрын

@@oneandonlysound3453 yep! Whenever you go to a park, you never worry about a favourite B&M coaster not being available but you do worry about the intamins lol

@alecscheerer2329

5 ай бұрын

Intamin's new coasters are very reliable. Maybe the problem was the park? People are so quick to put all the blame on the manufacturer. This is also the same park whose B&Ms go down frequently and can't even keep a wildmouse up to par

@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills

5 ай бұрын

@@alecscheerer2329 in contrast, I don’t know why people blame a park. Toutatis at parc asterix - a very well maintained park has had a terrible opening year for reliability. That’s intamin. The other one at Busch gardens Williamsburg has been much the same. Maybe people just need to stop criticising Zamperla and TT2 until they actually experience it. I’ve only ever had positive experiences at cedar point. Will see if my opinion changes in 2024.

@alecscheerer2329

5 ай бұрын

@@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills because the park is the one maintaining and operating the ride. The manufacturer designs it

How are you gonna hate on a ride that didn’t even open yet?

Honestly…I like it. I wish that they added an airtime hill on the launch and a twist to the spike, but other than that, I think this could be a good ride.

@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills

7 ай бұрын

Snap! Me too.

@rranger2834

6 ай бұрын

So just copy King Da Ka?

@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills

6 ай бұрын

@@rranger2834 hmmmm? Lol

@iliketrains3546

3 ай бұрын

@@rranger2834 kingda ka has no airtime hill on the launch or twisted spike so no

i think this was a bit harsh because he said the end will be like the og dragster so whats the problem we get more + the things we already like

I agree with all of your points. And fumbling on the Dragster (relative to Maxx Force) may have greased the wheels of Cedar Fair's dominant merger with Six Flags.

Look mom they added a spike and a rollback. What that's not a rollback its a speed bump like that's going to make it better at least at least make it go past the twist on the top hat. Now that's would be a roll back.

Agree I think this was a missed opportunity for Cedar Point! They cheaped out, on something they were tired of dealing with. Intamin, downtime, and capcity!

The original launch is what made the coaster so beguiling to me. I’m sad that is gone forever.

@collinloretitsch4731

5 ай бұрын

the 3rd launch is the exact same. 120mph in same time. same launch

@randomdefender1532

Ай бұрын

@@collinloretitsch4731 But you're already rolling down from the spike at 100 mph so the LSMs won't accelerate you as much as going from 0-120.

Taking capacity into consideration, I would have loved to have seen a twisted backwards launch first (paying homage to Wicked Twister), a speed hill prior to the top hat and then a giant stale after the top hat (similar to Zadra)

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

There isn't enough space for a stall and a brake run at 100+ mph. Velocicoaster's mosasaurus roll is about 175 feet long at 60-65 mph, so TT2 would probably need one at that's twice as long and wide to keep the forces down.

@masonc73

4 ай бұрын

@@brianfoss571, maybe so but they still definitely could have done something more creative on the first half

Never thought to put the terms “comfortable” and “coaster” in the same paragraph.

the intensity of airtime on the flash/v2 going up the vertical tower in reverse compared to a twist if your in the back you're going to feel like you're being thrown out. i wish it had a double twist top hat, that would be extremely disorienting and bc of the additional torque they could have kicked up the launch speed. imho the could've called it the wicked hurricane paid tribute to the twister and note that you're getting a very different ride experience compared to dragster.

I agree 100%. The launch was the entire ride on Dragster and they completely killed it. Very disappointing.

the 2 spike is also 420 f tall because if it roll back from the top it would be bad...... because ther are no brakes on the launch

Your point about the accelerations has been my biggest concern. Going from 0-70 mph may sound great but it all depends how long a distance you do that acceleration across. The first acceleration will be fairly weak, similar to a Mack acceleration. But that will be the best one since the next two add very little speed relatively speaking. I am excited about the backward spike and honestly I think it'll be the highlight of the ride, especially in the back. But the launch section is WAY to long for the amount of speed you'll get. It will be a high velocity but low amount of force.

@protowave

3 ай бұрын

it's going to be weaker than Maverick's launch, lol the InDriveTec LSM systems that Intamin uses are way stronger than the ones Zamperla uses, so any non-Intamin LSM launch is going to be very disappointing in comparison

@BiggieBows1752

3 ай бұрын

Well hold on Yeah the first launch does have a lot bigger speed difference, but it also starts from a standstill while the other two already are moving quite quickly and have less time to accelerate the train. Going off of the original 120 mph in 3.8 seconds gives us a launch track of 334 ft (couldn't find an easy answer to how long the launch track was so time to bust out the ol' kinematic equations), which going from 0 to 74 on gives an acceleration of 12.0 mph/s or 0.37g. It will be somewhat faster acceleration at first and slow down from air resistance, so the true g-force will be higher and will feel like the initial g-force the whole time, but I can't imagine it being more than 0.5g. This also means that the first launch will take over 6 seconds to complete. The second launch goes from 70? (from losing speed falling back) to 101 mph, giving an acceleration of 11.6 mph/s or 0.36g but will feel a lot stronger since it's backwards and the only thing pushing you along is the lap bar, and the third going from 95? to 120 gives 11.8 mph/s or 0.37g. So all of the launches accelerate at about the same rate and give very similar force, but they all pale in comparison to Top Thrill Dragster's former glory of 31.6 mph/s or almost 1g of nyoom.

here's the main question that will decide if you will like dragster or top thrill: Would you rather have one of the best launches in the world or superman krypton coaster at magic mountain attached to the back of the top hat? For me, I would definitely prefer having the best launch in the world, but idk about you 💀

I'm still relieved that Top Thrill 2 isn't from SBF Visa.

I want to go on something more thrilling than Strata Coaster 1!

I never got to ride the original so I won't have anything to compare it to, but I'm just glad they didn't get rid of it altogether.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.

@CoasterDash

4 ай бұрын

No problem. Thanks for the comment!

Moment i am not fully trough, but 75mph is i think the same as tarons max speed.... and i think 100% that intamin could even reach that these days with tarons launch one, because i know for a fact the second launch can launch a train from like 5kmh to 135kmh in boost mode after a roll back, and dragsters launch track is HUGE in comparison.... so that is actually not impressive

I completely agree with you, but I’m just happy it’s not gone for good

I'm from Belgium and I have been fortunate enough to experience TTD and I must say I am also very mixed on this. Yes 100mph backwards will be great, yes the spike will be cool, but there are so many "if"s with this revamp. No offense to Zamperla, but if this doesn't turn out their relation with Cedar Fair (soon to be Six Flags) will probably deteriorate, leaving them on bad terms with both Intamin AND Zamperla, drastically cutting possible future models (realistically the only manufacturer they'll go for is B&M at that point but they are currently in an innovative phase where intamin was back when they worked with CF still). Furthermore this ride doesn't "do" anything TTD didn't do, it just feels like a "cheap" way to improve the ride length... Honestly, in my eyes and in my personal opinion, CP just wasted a whole lot of money on a gamble that will probably turn out to be reliable, but ruin one of their flagship coasters...

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

Zamperla's definitely playing this as safe as possible. If Intamin were overhauling Dragster, we'd have only 2 launches, a 150-ish foot spike, and likely a couple ejector airtime hills added to the launch segment. But Zamperla likely can't achieve 99.99% reliability (less than one "true rollback" per day) with 2 launches, so they have to add a 3rd, gut the LSM acceleration, and spend most of the non-train budget on the 420 foot spike, adding no other major elements. At least this allows them to use a smaller switch track segment than Intamin uses, so that should keep things simpler for them.

@PolyRocketMatt

4 ай бұрын

True, and even though I have faith in Zamperla pulling this one off, feels like a gamble still in my eyes

@brianfoss571

4 ай бұрын

@PolyRocketMatt It's a gamble that will hopefully pay off in the long run. Zamperla offers more rides that Cedar Fair would be interested in than Intamin does. And I imagine the work they've done on TT2 will help their Double Heart concept with reliability right out the gate. If TT2 is successful, I won't be surprised if Knott's replaces Montezooma with a Double Heart.

I agree tons of straight track is a huge issue. There are going to be different parts of this ride that become the highlight. I’m in a wait and see camp, but there are definitely some missed opportunities. That enormous back spike can’t be cheap, so if you are spending tons of money, make sure you get your best ride out of it.

@fredsanford336

6 ай бұрын

Huge issue foir who?

@marcusmcgraw3519

6 ай бұрын

@@fredsanford336agreed. These coaster enthusiasts are so fucking stupid they shit on everything that isn’t exactly how they want it. Nothing can be done without talking about lack of originality. Coaster enthusiasts are fucking wusses

I'm glad there will be no twist on the spike. I always preferred the non twisting spikes for the floaty feeling. Twists ruin those for me. I much prefer the back spike on Possessed for that reason. Wicked Twister never did it for me due to those twists. Pantheon's spike is great too. So yeah, I'm glad it's not twisted. As for the launch, an airtime pop on that, just like Pantheon would have been insane. Agree that it should have one.

This is teen angst.

Hopefully will get to go to Cedar Point in the coming years, but honestly can’t imagine what that launch into the backspike is going to feel like😬 In a way I do see how this reimagining is going to make it standout in comparison to the similar coaster Kingda Ka, but then again all the enthusiasts that rode the original are still upset. This video is exactly why you should be awarded an honorary engineering degree👏🏻 #stemforstem

The first launch would go around 210 ft, the next would go around 330 ft on the spike, and the finql lanuch would most likely clear the tophat. Should have done 100 mph launch, then 120, then 135 mph with a bunny hill. Then add some elements after the tophat THEN you hit the brakes. Also, name it Dragster's Revenge or Polaris or something to do with the name Dragster

I never rode dragster, but I have Ka at my home park and I have to say this is a downgrade. They should have just kept the same layout🤔

I think it looks pretty neat. The original wasn't really my favorite ride though, probably #6 in the park

I went overseas in 2000 and didn’t make it back until the 2010s but my children were young then so we didn’t go to Cedar Point for the first time until August 16th 2021…. I was there to ride Dragster but I missed it by one day!!! This year we planned a trip to Georgia and took a one day detour to Carowinds to ride Fury and you can probably guess what day we arrived…… July 1st, 2023….. the day it shut down….🙄

I'd be a lot more upset if Ka didn't exist giving 90% of the same experience (and being 5 hours closer to me). Never been to CP (going next season), and I'm perfectly okay with TT2 dragging crowds away from Steve, Maverick and Magnum.

I agree- the names a bummer, the No bunny hills is also a bummer too.

@fredsanford336

6 ай бұрын

You're a major bummer

We will never know until we ride!

I was saying the exact same things about this ride when it was announced! The best way to show that this is a dumb renovation is to boycott the addition so the park does not see a return on its investment, which is why I will not visit Cedar Point next year.

I think you’re really underestimating what this ride is gonna be like. While there won’t be as much force it’s not gonna be slow at all. And back row on that 420 spike is gonna be crazy. It will still feel fast as hell. But I do feel like it will be a make or break with doing a pro type by a rather unproven builder in these types of rides