I spooled it with 8 LB test mono for lighter lures, gave it some practice casts and found that it did cast well kzread.infoUgkxSlytCJqozTF7EbdP4LWP-HUXf9WRDJ0e , except that the anti-backlash setting had to be turned up almost all of the way to keep the "overcasts' ' down. I disassembled it, and found that if I potted some "shim washers" behind that anti-backlash magnet assembly, it got the magnets closer to the spool without rubbing, and I could get better control with about a 6 to 7 out out 10-Max setting. I also noticed that the handle shaft had some internal end play, maybe only 2 or 3 thousands of an inch, but it's still noticeable. If the anti-backlash and shaft tolerances were "tightened up" this would be a fantastic value. I've only used it for 4 days of fishing in a month's time, but I plan on keeping it.

A shark on a 3000 size reel ? what do you expect .

Great teardown of that reel, Ish. Reminds me that even though I wash down my reels after each outing, I probably need to do some deep-cleaning maintenance here fairly soon, or find some place to do it at a decent price. Want to keep my reels as long as possible.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

P my most requested vid is a tear down rebuild how-to, i might do it for my crabbing reel since they're on the bench till November.

@user-kk6lc1th2r

7 жыл бұрын

I definitely want to do that to my default crabbing reel (penn battle 2 8k), but it's also my bait-soaking 'set it and forget it' while I'm burning lures with my lighter setup, so it's never really going to get a rest unless I redshirt it for a week or two while I do maintenance on it. Maybe doing that will give me an excuse to do some rockfishing angling with my other setups... there always seems to ways I convince myself to do more fishing. Funny how that works.

Although a cheap reel, this mainly comes down to user negligence or improper use of what the reel is limited to. How did this guy get so much water in the reel with light surf fishing? Even expensive reels can get like this if mistreated.

Thanks for showing this video and your input of what can go wrong with saltwater use. I just bought a comparable Chinese reel. Th build quality is very good. Because the bulk of my fishing is in freshwater I don't concern myself with corrosion, but I think I will take my new reel apart to make sure that the bearings are well greased. Thanks for the tips.

I honestly think you could spend like 10$ on AliExpress and have that reel going stronger than ever. 1. Get some shielded bearings 2. Get yourself a new handle 3. Grease it before you use it. Should be okay to go. It's a cheap reel, what do you expect. As for performance, if your coast fishing you shouldn't use anything that isn't name brand. If you are in the market, get yourself a Shimano Twin Power 4000 and you'll be good for years and years.

This reel had no grease. U have to grease it. it not only lubricates the parts but also seals them.

Thx, for the follow up video. I was about to get this with the kastking blackhawk I just ordered, as I too am looking for an inexpensive travel rod + reel combo. I just ordered the 6.86' blackhawk and pairing it w/ the Kastking Mela 2000. After doing some research on a comparable AND reliable cheaper reel, the Mela seems to come up a lot. Hopefully that will work for light surf fishing I plan to do in SoCal. I'll report back on how it performs!

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Andre Sibayan right on, please do, I'm curious about the mela ii too. i swapped this wq for a conflict 2500 meanwhile, my next vid will actually feature it in the sd surf.

Ish, thanks for the review. This reel came with the Blackhawk telescopic kit. I'll use the Blackhawk for surf (based on your review) and keep the Sougayilang for the freshwater trout streams. Would repacking the parts with heavier grease help the longevity?

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

np! if you keep it to freshwater only, you'll be good. but this reel is definitely not meant for salt or heavy current/weights. repacking would def help, but over time high stress and weaken the gearing in my experience.

So parts are actually intact and it just needs maintenance after exposed to salt water. Needs oiling of the iron screws as well. Great. Metal main gear is a good news. So i guess 27 is really good. I don't see part breakage with some tinkering, this is good for 27 bucks.

@SimplyV3rna

3 жыл бұрын

I bought one recently! Very decent reel except the handle. Worth or maybe beyond worth its price

@alexanderjunior1105

3 жыл бұрын

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@lionelmohamed6577

3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

@Lionel Mohamed Definitely, I've been using FlixZone for since april myself :D

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3 жыл бұрын

@Lionel Mohamed Thanks, I signed up and it seems to work =) I really appreciate it !!

Nothing wrong with this Chinese reel, just lack of care or lubrication. I'm actually going to buy one, they cost 20 dollars in aliexpress. I know it's no shimano or penn, but if you oil and grease the parts it should last a long time, not mas much as a penn or shimano but enough to justify the 20 dollar investment in a backup reel. I plan to use it for kayak fishing, I don't want to flip and loose or soak in salt water any of my Penns or daiwa regal. Any reel that gets soaked in salt water should be disassembled cleaned and lubricaret, even if it's a 100+ brand name reel, so there is not much difference, take care of it and it would last.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Thx for the feedback. I've heard other subs say they pre pack these cheaper reels with marine grease to prolong their lives. I suggest a supplemental bushing for the handle screw too. The vid covers usage in the surf in stock form with the usual rinsing, and my experience thereafter. My opinion is that, if advertised as a saltwater rated reel, in oem form it shouldn't have gone sloppy/seized this soon.

@Blogger2u

6 жыл бұрын

agreed with u

@tannerfrancisco8759

5 жыл бұрын

Proper lubrication won't prevent the cheap potmetal Chinesium screws from stripping out or the non-fiber reinforced plastics from failing.

Thanks a lot... Maybe, I saw not to well, but my opinion is: there are no 13+1 BB in the reel, and it has no worm-shaft. The picture, shows the reel inside, including a worm-shaft geer for the drum movement...

@VB-bk1lh

2 жыл бұрын

That seems to be the norm for Chinese reels, if they say 13+1 BB, they really mean 7+1. I tore a few of the more recent China reels down lately, they're getting better but they can't seem to count, and they can't seem to be able to tell carbon fiber from felt washers and they can't tell plastic from graphite. The low quality bearings in that sort of reel is the norm, the gears aren't likely machined well enough for better bearings. You will likely find that if you swap them out for something with tighter tolerances the reel will bind. With all that in mind, they do sell those at the local flea market here for $10 to $15 depending on size, for that amount, with some decent care, they're not bad. Some good grease and a dab of paint on the non stainless hardware will do wonders. Most have pretty decent drag washers size wise, and felt does just fine, but the area where the drag suffers is where the rear of the spool meets the shaft. There's just not enough area there for the spool to lock down against to get the drag numbers they advertise. Even so, they do well enough for the type of fishing they're built for.

Saw it for myself it fell apart rockaway beach 6/13/2021. Returning it to Amazon and can't get on the support site it says 404 error

One thing you can do to make these reels last a lot longer is to open them up right out of the box and smother the insides and ball bearings with gear grease. Use water resistant silicone lubricant to clean out all the cheap oil it comes with. Then apply as much gear grease as you can. Spining the gears to get as much coverage as possible.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

Z thx for the guidance, ill give it a try with the next cheapo👍

@simontimoney

2 жыл бұрын

Why bother when they are hard plastic and cheap alloy gears

@Rikson_27

2 жыл бұрын

May i ask an honest review please? Im want to get one but im not so sure

Cool video.I was doing research on this reel and saw your original video on it before I ordered it like three days ago. Many thanks for this video, it saved me some disappointment. I’m gonna return it.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Jim Bob haha, np, glad i caught you in time. i mean, it could work for freshwater, but the surf is the ultimate test, and it fell short.

Hi, what about the seaknight windrunner? Is it still working? Do you think this one would have failed even in freshwater? Thank you

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

hi, tbh i returned it, i think i mentioned in the overview vid i was going to return the 'losing' reel. so unfortunately, no long term info to share :(

I subscribed. I love your reel guts vids. It’s nice to see what we are potentially buying on amazon and Wish. I love The higher end companies but my kids tear up some fishing gear. I teach my kids how to care for their gear but kids are kids lol. So I’m thinking about grabbing a few Kingkast spinning reels for them this season.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+Lorin S thx! re kiddo beater reels, ive heard good things about the mela line. also can't go wrong with the shimano ax.

great vid. good review and update of reel.

I bought XY2000 and it feels good. I'm fishing in the freshwater area.

I have one that I use in fresh water and it does great. I have had it for 3 season's and I fish at least 1-3 days a week. Not saying they are perfect but for $10 it is awesome. I clean it and use it in the manner it was intended.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

yeah i can see it being a good reel for light freshwater. thx for the solid feedback!

@geoeconomics5629

Жыл бұрын

I lubricate them right out of the box I use Super Lube reel grease and Penn Reel oil No rust no corrosion , they will last long time in freshwater

Would be interested to see you test the Kastking Sharky 2 or Mela. Those seem to get really good reviews online

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

0whc yup, my cousin has a mela ii, ill check it out.

I have the same reel and it works fine. Whenever I get a new reel, I always open them up and put in more grease because it prevents rust and keeps them running smoothly. Mine hasn't rusted at all and I use it only in the salt for the past two years. For that specific reel, some sand did get inside when I dropped it in the fine sand but opening it up, cleaning it and apply more grease had it working fine.

@slyarsenal

3 жыл бұрын

You're not an idiot like this guy

@richardphan3644

3 жыл бұрын

@@slyarsenal it’s still working perfectly fine today. Super smooth and no rust at all. People have to realize that you have to do maintenance on moving parts. They don’t just magically work forever

@slyarsenal

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardphan3644 Exactly. I service my own reels but even then I dont mistreat them. If people have an accident with the reel then I understand but how one can get so much saltwater in a reel bewilders me. I do all types of fishing in rough and calm days. I even wade and never get as much saltwater as this guy. I buy cheap reels to teach my young nephews how to fish but I mostly use all high end Daiwa gear.

@richardphan3644

3 жыл бұрын

@@slyarsenal I also service my own reels. I use a thicker grease around the seams and that helps seal it from water. I use mine in saltwater and have dropped it in a few times. Not a spot of rust on it.

Sup Ish, how do you feel about the Penn pursuit 2 8ft combo? I just got it yesterday and caught 1 perch but my wrist started hurting after about 5 hours

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+NutSack-1 tbh i don't care for the pursuit line. I bought my dad a 6000 pursuit ii for crabbing and its just ok. you can find used fierce ii cheaper than a new pursuit and have an alloy frame and handle that doesn't weigh more and is 200% stiffer

I had a Daiwa baitcaster reel that failed a lot quicker than a chinese baitcaster reel that was 1/10th of the price! The Daiwa's shaft bearing failed criminally fast.

I bought this reel to be used for a spodding combo for freshwater fishing and it held up great for me. Although obviously saltwater will do a number on reels that freshwater won’t.

Hello Plastic spening fishing reel good ya bad?

Thanks for the scoop. 2 washer drag, weak handle treads and cheap clutch. Looks like the focus was on making a good-looking reel, not a mechanically sound one.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

exactly. all show, no go. surprisingly a lot of comments here defend this reel, saying i didn't prep it right (do i really have to prep it to use it?), but it's just outright poorly made. a daiwa sweepfire or shimano sienna is a much better buy for less.

The reel is only rated for 6 lb test no higher if you put eight or 10 or higher it will fail

Well looks like i now have a new freshwater reel. Thanks for the update. Since I won't be throwing this $27 in the ocean you basically just saved me about a tank of gas.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

bigwoo use it to catch lmb's with Mikey, he's raking them in!

i have a few of those cheap ebay reels for smaller species, this included. They do no like frost either. But the lube is shit on them. I still have not figured out what grease they use, but its terrible. I take them all apart, and lube them up my way. That helps alot.

Thnx for exposing some of the areas that need improving on thies cheap reels. I hope some of the big brand name reel Co see this Vid cuz some of them are still using thies outdated/fail filled parts this reel has. If you get a chance pls do review on KastKings Sharkylll it looks like a good inexpensive reel. They say it's salt water rated.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

thx for all your comments, i'll reply to all of them here. if KastKing sends me a Sharky III for testing, i'd be happy to! i put in a lot of time testing the Kodiak and it performed well, i'd def do the same for their Sharky III. i'm not aware of a ul version, but if you're looking for a great reel that weighs very little but is affordable, check out the new Daiwa Fuego LT. i have the 2500 XH model for light tackle surf and man, that thing is so nice. super light at 7 oz, smooth, mag sealed at the top of the main shaft to prevent seizing, and only cost me $70 new. we'll see what it takes to maintain it because of the mag oil, but look for a full review of that reel in the near future.

are these reels any better today (2024)? E.g. sealed bearings etc. If not, then chinese manufacturers do not understand anything at all on product development.

what do you think of the penn prevail 9' with penn fierce 2 4000(already ordered)

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

+Elijah French good rod! i have the battalion, i think the only difference is the prevail has a slightly heavier blank without Fuji guides. my fave crabbing rod is my 11' prevail.

Well, I was thinking about one or two (to try out) but won't be now. eBay might need to look at this too. Comes down to I guess, you get what you pay for!! Thanks for the vid. 😱😱

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

Np. Yeah pretty bummed with this reel, felt like a Shimano outta the box, but died after a few outings. I've been testing more cheap reels lately and I actually think I found a winner, vid coming soon.

So best bang for buck what would you get now? I think I'd rather go for a battle vs the kastking kodiac for about the same price. I think it would be easier to get parts and my 08' Sargus is running strong - I use MobileOne oil and grease though. I was thinking about getting a vintage diawa or Penn reel on ebay.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

+Josh Stew imo, best value reel is the fierce ii. keep it dry, maybe upgrade the washers with carbon discs (all over ebay), it'll do hard work for a long time. re surf plugging, in the Penn lineup, you really gotta get the clash to see any huge gains from the fierce ii (i have a battle ii and conflict i), till then the fierce ii will do a good enough job if you prep it right and don't spin it underwater.

@joshstew2817

7 жыл бұрын

Ish With Fish - thats what I was thinking after you vids

@grandwonder5858

5 жыл бұрын

@@ishwithfish So you recommend upgrades on your vaunted Penn reels in order for them to work correctly and then you abused the crap out of this cheap Chinese reel without any kind of greasing or upgrades being done to it and then you come back to us to complain about how terrible the Chinese reel is? Okay, that seems like a "fair" evaluation!

@grandwonder5858

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Josh, You use MobileOne oil to grease your fishing reels? Does it work well as a greaser for all of the internal parts?

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

'vaunted'? lols the fierce ii goes for $50 nib, not very vaunted. all i'm saying is step up the felt washers to some carbon discs and you'll have a great bang for your buck reel. the pursuit iii has HT-100, I assume the fierce III will too, so looks like Penn recognized the success of the washer upgrade aftermarket. i never abused the soug, used it as-is under normal surf conditions and it surprisingly failed everywhere, and i'm just reporting back (not complaining lol). seems fair to me. btw my $15 daiwa sweepfire put under similar use and still spinning like new.

If you like what you see, visit www.amazon.com/shop/ishwithfish for ALL the gear I use, review, and approve. These affiliate links directly support future content. Gratitude! 🙏 -------- My original overview vid of this reel has like 70k views, so I owed you guys an honest update. While it may work for light freshwater, skip it for salt. And sorry about the loud background music, I definitely ran it way too loud in this one lol.

@chalo186ga

7 жыл бұрын

Ish With Fish I have the exact same reel with the difference that mine is the WQ5000 , I use it for the salt water and I can see that happening but I always rinse the reel off in the shower and remove the handle ,side plate and spool to spray it down with a good lubricant , it had stayed rust free but from my experience is that when I bought it I took it apart and laid a decent amount of lithium grease on it with oil. GREAT review and let us know if you find a reel that is worth trying out.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

great tips bro. i didn't go that far with maintenance, i wanted to treat it like my other name brand saltwater rated reels. sounds like yours is holding up with preventative maintenance, maybe with my next cheap chinese reel, i'll do a preventative maintenance vid before i use it in the surf.

@saltwaterspoiled

6 жыл бұрын

Try a kastking sharky, would be curious about its durability

@HyBrad

6 жыл бұрын

I have been using the 4000 version of this reel for the last 6 months, and loved it the whole time. It just failed on me this week, the reel pretty much seized on me. I just purchased the Kastking Sharky III, and am excited about trying it out.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

Brad Bernier right on, let us know how it does👍

I'm about to buy a Yumoshi on amazon. Have you tried this company yet? I can't find more then 1 review on amazon for each reel or online they seem like a new company.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

i think i had one before. silver body, orange/gold spool, wooden t-knob? if so, the 1-click collapsible handle broke the first time i used it lol. if you're looking for a cheap reel under 30, get a daiwa sweepfire instead :)

So i just bought one of these for 17 bucks on Amazon. It seems like at least some if the issues with these have been addressed. There's now a washer on that chrome knob that holds the handle on. It also looks like there's a liberal amount of grease in this thing, so much that it's seeping out of some of the joints. I want to open it up and give it a once over before i use it, but my first impression is that it's very smooth and the fit and finish is decent. We'll see how it holds up.

@bladeealbania

5 жыл бұрын

Is it still good?

@jasfrt6384

5 жыл бұрын

So far, so good. I did replace the knob with a round one.

@bladeealbania

5 жыл бұрын

Great, bought one of these reels just now and wanted confirmation, I'm not trying to fish for monsters in the sea so I think it will be fine. Thanks for the fast reply!

@jasfrt6384

5 жыл бұрын

I think as long as you keep to fresh water and maintain it properly, it'll be fine for you.

Yumoshi is pretty good I caught a 25 pound pike on a plastic, size 1000 yumoshi reel and it still works fine

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

thx, i'll take a look at that brand.

@preiudeh22a

5 жыл бұрын

I'm about to buy a Yumoshi on amazon. Have you tried this company yet?

Sup Ish! I bought that same reel and took it crabbing lol.......the gear teeth broke first retrieve haha! The amazon return policy is the bomb. Take it easy Ish!

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

NutSack-1 haha right? mine is too far gone to return, but hopefully you guys got some info outta my experience.

GREAT VIDEO. THANKS FOR SHARING

What do you expect for budget reel. I think its good enough for the price range.

Penn pursuit is 27 on amazon

I own three of these Chinese 12 + 1 bearing reels. The first thing I do is take apart the reel and remove any old lubricant ( if there is any) and use a good reel lubricant and crank the handle until the reel feels nice and smooth. I have not had any problems with these reels. I only use them for freshwater fishing and they have many many hours on them.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

thx for the insight. i've seen multiple comments suggesting that i degrease and repack these cheap reels before i use them. since this reel had 'saltwater' in the description, i wanted to see how long it'd last out of the box in the salt. hopefully i help give insight on what happens without the prep work. still though, the main handle shaft shouldn't have worn so fast.

@lazycarper7925

5 жыл бұрын

how many bearings does it really have

Any chance you could do this kind of detailed review of the Penn Pursuit 2?? It is very inexpensive these days, and I wonder if its worth the money. Thanks....

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+RabbitBully imo skip the pursuit and get a fierce ii. not much price difference in eBay if you go slightly used. i bought a pursuit ii for my dad for crabbing, it's pretty flexy compared to the fierce and spins a tad firmer under load.

@rabbitbully1810

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time......I got a 3000 Pursuit 2 for my daughter's birthday, and really like it. I have 2 fierce 1 reels (4000 and 5000) and love them. I broke an old Mitchell 300x and decided to replace it with a Pursuit 2 4000. Its already on its way from Amazon and, was Just wondering if the inerts were as good as the Fierce. For $27 I will take the risk. Tight Lines!

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+RabbitBully right on, have fun and tl!

Anti reverse gear failed on my DMK,though it had a few dunkings in sea.

@tuberworksjones

3 жыл бұрын

Reply to myself, seems my DMK didn't fail from corrosion or any obvious water damage. A small spring appears to be the problem. It may have come out of position as it fell out when i dismantled the reel and i am not of knowing how it goes back and alsi there is a little metal flexible plate thing that has something to do with it. Basically this mechanism just fell apart or something and no corrosion was present . My taking it apart may have caused the spring to fall out but if the reel hadn't stuffed up in the first place I wouldn't have been inclined to take it to bits. Dumb ass mechanism i say

Ish With Fish you should do a tear down of KastKing model. Thanks for the video.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+D Kat i have😁 check out my full review and tear down if the kastking kodiak 5000. survived 60 hours in salt.

would this reel be suitable for freshwater smallmouth bass?

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

i think it could def handle smallmouth bass, pretty much any smaller freshwater fish. but imo you're better off with a lower end shimano or daiwa for the money. even a cheaper piscifun would prob be better constructed.

thank you for your review- almost buy one for myself, thanks i almost got a zonk :(

I bought the same one from Walmart for 3 years, it works fine for me. Super smooth. Plus. Its best for the money.

My Sougayilang started seizing a little after a couple of trips. Still working, at least, but annoying as hell.

I lost my reels drag adjuster can i get one Drag adjuster

@ishwithfish

3 жыл бұрын

prob not. these cheap amazon reels, prob easier to just buy a new reel than try to find parts.

I should definitely stay away from these bargain reels. Lost 3 cheapo reels to saltwater. You got yourself a new subscriber! Hopefully they'll step their game up.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+Joseph Torres ty! yup, those no name Chinese brands are hit and miss. mostly miss lol, esp in salt. thx for tuning in, if you like reel reviews i have a whole playlist, and a bunch more to come. low end ($10) through very high end ($1000+), ill try to cover them all.

@eaglecreeker494

6 жыл бұрын

Dont think any manufacturer is going to step up their game on a 20-30 dollar reel that fails due to saltwater use since the seals themselves are more than the cost of any cheap reel,,however anyone can step up their game,,lol and do a better job of cleaning and servicing any reel regardless of price point and probably get plenty of use out of even the most budget models,, in the end its a combination of quality and care and type of fishing that have the biggest effect on how much service any reel gives us.

I have a reel repair shop and ALWAYS recommend to checking a new reel; especially if it is to be in saltwater. I'll open it and lube it with a light grease with corrosion inhibitors. Most new reels will come with light oil so they feel smoother. Also noticed the referral to the rotor nut as a screw and it being brass. But brass won't rust. Most reel are brass. Otherwise - GOOD review. And like mot other reviewers WHAT'S WITH THE NEED FOR MUSIC?

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

thx for the feedback! yeah i ran the music too loud in this one, have since dropped it from reviews (well, most reviews lol)

thanks a lot cause i wanted to make a comparation with a sea knight that i bought that for the moment have been amazing i have caught a 4 pound redfish and some nice trout and lady fish bi aacident but with this video a can confirm wich is better thanks

Damn, mine just arrived from aliexpress. It's too late now but anyway thanks for the video. I will just disassemble mine and put some thick grease in it and replace the screws with stainless and regid ones from bolt center. But still i have problem with the retention cap.

@christopherbrown6284

5 жыл бұрын

for a couple of bucks replace bearing and insert carbon fiber washers heaven will open and replace junk lubricant with proper grease

Maybe just the edit,but you seem to crank on the reel too much rather than pulling with the rod and winding down the rod tip, then pulling with the rod, then winding down.. you aren't supposed to use the reel like a winch to haul the entire weight of the fish, that abuse will eventually cause even top tier reels to fail. Just ordered some gear off Aliexpress to see how it plays out, there is an interesting looking long cast spool design . Thanks for the review and teardown, I like others would open the reel new out of the box and tighten and lube and inspect parts, that goes for every reel however and also anytime the reel is dragged in sand or otherwise experiences something which might cause rhe internals to get fouled up, it goes with the territory though, woth beaches here that have coarse grainy granite rock/sand with 2mm or so grain size its brutal on reels if it gets where it shouldn't, but I still figure the Chinese ability to mass produce products has reached a level where they are at least decent quality *if* looked after and not abused and they have been innovating on products for several years now so some of their stuff is actually better than "western" or "japanese" brands, and a lot is price performance competitive. Im actually curious to try some of the ultra cheap fly rods too to see how they compare to $1000 rods :) Anyways thanks for the review, I think anyone seeing this would be wise to tear down and grease *before* use... and maybe make sure the handle isn't missing washers too... I suspect the screw was missing a washer causing friction on plastic that isnt supposed to have friction. but just a guess

I am sougayilang user thank you for the review anuway

U just saved me money ty

dear ish what is the best reel and rod on a budget

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

mahmoud hamdi in my experience, the best budget reel is the fierce ii. you can find them lightly used for 30-40 on eBay. i also hear great things about the kastking mela ii, although tbh i haven't spun one yet.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

mahmoud hamdi oh, re surf rod, look at the 9' ugly stik gx2, $39 msrp.

@mahmoudhamdi5411

7 жыл бұрын

Ish With Fish thank you very much for your response and can give us a tutorial on how to clean the reel after saltwater

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

mahmoud hamdi will do, ill try to do one soon

what happen if you dang you penn in salt water?

@ishwithfish

3 жыл бұрын

it gets wet 🤔

@fdsaffff

3 жыл бұрын

@@ishwithfish and of course clogged and stop working as any reel

how many bearings does it really have

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

not sure, its in the trash lol

Why are you using a 3000 reel for salt water fishing?

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

3000 saltwater rated reels are popular light tackle setups around here. this is not one of those reels lol

If you set the drag, and brakes u won’t ever birdsnest, it casts great and handles fish amazing it’s an overall 9/10 for me and would recommend for beginners

Dropped mine @ the shore, and some sand got in it, and it failed instantly. This was the 2nd time I used it.

@ishwithfish

2 жыл бұрын

sounds like my experience lol

i have the same little daiwa and i estemate it to be 40+ yrs old and it is stil working great and i had some 15+ kilo carps reeled in with this little work horse hehehe

IT IS MY STANDARD PROCEDURE TO OPEN UP THE REEL WHEN RECEIVED AND LOAD IT WITH GREASE. I WAS TAUGHT THIS BY A PENN SALESMAN IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN THEY ALSO TAUGHT THE SHOPS HOW TO REPAIR THEIR REELS. I USE 2 PARTS 90 WEIGHT OUTBOARD GEAR OIL AND ONE PART VASELINE. HAS WORKED GREAT ON HEAVILY USED SALTWATER REELS FOR 60+ YEARS. I LUBE THEM EVERY TIME I USE THEM.

I really like the Kastking Blackhawk too. Try the Kastking Sharky II... it is designed as waterproof and dunk proof and is only $52 on eBay for the 6000 size. It has carbon fiber washers too. Kastking is a Chinese company but attempts to give value and quality for the dollar. Other than Kastking, you should forget about the other cheap Chinese reels.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

+Harvey Yong haha noted, thanks for the info. i put about 50 hours into the Kodiak 5000, ill have a review very soon.

@harveyyong1398

7 жыл бұрын

Wow... cool. The Kodiak is even more expensive than the Sharky II.

@IvanGarcia-bq7hb

6 жыл бұрын

Harvey Yong indeed. I have a Kastking sharky 2 and has been dump various times on my salwater fishing trips and it is still smooth and drag sytem is still performing well. I have had it for 1 yr and I fish at least 2 times a month.

I enjoyed the review very much but I have to admit the music was completely too loud and the style just plain wasn't for me.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

i completely agree. i've since removed music behind reel reviews and shortened the vids. this was one of my first and i think they're much more palatable now :) thx for the feedback!

Get what you pay for!

Get a shimano sienna, a solid reel for right around $30

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

yup, great option! i wanted to see if a 'fake' sienna was legit, it's not lol

@tylerrosborough9566

5 жыл бұрын

They are great cheap reels , my 2 came pretty much dry though , a little grease and a couple hundred bass, pike and walleye still working great

cool shark!!! nice follow up review aswell.👍

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Shaka po'opa'a thx bro, caught a few that day! unintentionally tho, a school rolled through. haven't heard from you in a bit, hope you're doing well🤙

@shakadanny3518

7 жыл бұрын

Ish With Fish Im doing good bro (: moving up to Michigan with my ohana.. Back to the freshwater grounds for a while 🎣👏 I know i caught a few 10 pound bass in my younger adventures but i never got the pictures or weight to prove it haha

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Shaka po'opa'a danng bro, box up the board shorts and get the mittens out! cool man, gl on the move, hope to hear about some big trout and lmbs soon👊

the reel needed grease ! even with new reels including the big name reels many do not come properly lubed out of the box !

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+Daniel macdonald that's part of it. i never pre packed this reel. but! doesn't explain handle slop ... i think cheap pot alloy in the gearing caused things to get loose beyond repair.

That’s a easy fix for the handle cap all you do is put lock washer on

I was literally gonna order one of these today

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Morgan Monge did i just literally save you $27?😊

@K0zec

7 жыл бұрын

Ish With Fish it was in my cart and I was ordering it today for use at the more than fishing tourney. fierce 2 it is

Open them up use a lot of grease. Penn makes excellent reel grease !! It works I have one these cheap reels and they are pretty good!!! Grease them up!!!

When you bought it, did it say, "Salt Water Reel"??.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Francisco Venegas jr. 9:17 😊

@SJBassin

7 жыл бұрын

All these Chinese reels state that on them despite not seeing any I would consider being a salt water reel like a Penn or something. I would assume, until you have one in your hand that these are all fresh water reels.

good thing I only paid $19 direct on ebay for it. I'll use it for catfish instead.thanks for the information

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Sharks4life 12 right on, i didn't realize how many guys already had this reel, hope this info saves you guys some trouble.

Who added the elevator music? Super annoying. The reel itself is fine, the lube needs attention. The very first thing that a lot of us do when we get a reel is to replace the oil with a good grease and clean up any manufacturing residue that may be left behind. I do this whether the reel cost me $50 or $500. Looking at this video, it makes me think that these things are better built than some cheap name brand reels. All metal gears is a huge plus when many companies these days are using plastic. I may have to order one now.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

sorry about the music, i ran it too loud in these early vids. reel is ok for freshwater, but under heavy conditions the metals seem to stress. not sure how the handle shaft ovalized the main gear.

@wvXvxvXvw

5 жыл бұрын

A reel that I use to this day(I am going this evening for gar) is a 60 year old French Michell 300. It is a single bearing, unshielded, and brass bushings. I tear it down once a year, replace the grease and occasional bail spring, and use it for salt water consistently. The bearings, bushings and screws in any reel can be good for salt water as long as they are properly greased. Oil will not work. The grease provides the barrier to keep the salt off of the metal at all times and will prevent rusting and corrosion. I also have a few light Pflueger President reels that I use in salt water every year. I use them to catch bait mostly. Again, they are not marketed for salt water but I go through them once a year, same as all of my other reels, and they do not fail. Surprising the only failure I have ever had was a Daiwa Black and Gold. They are usually rock reliable but this one had a failed set of anti-reverse needle bearings. The only failure on the 60 year old Mitchell are bail springs. They break once every 4 or 5 years and take about 30 seconds to replace.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

sweet! yeah i have 2 vintage mitchells, one small one for baitfish, and a bigger one marketed as saltwater ready. not sure of the year of manufacture, but i pull it out once in a while for fun. my favorite crab snaring reel is my BG60, bombproof and amazingly smooth, powerful crank too. what's your favorite grease to use when you repack your reels?

@wvXvxvXvw

5 жыл бұрын

I use synthetic automotive bearing grease. Right now its a tube of Royal Purple that I also use for the head bearings on my motorcycles but any good quality synthetic will work. I have a BG13, BG15 and BG20 sitting in front of me now. I need to go through them, I am taking them down to Pensacola in a month. These are the older bulletproof models. They don't have instant anti-reverse but they are more reliable. The newer one I have with anti-reverse is the one that failed. You can still buy the old models on Amazon but they are $100 each, and in my opinion they are not worth that much anymore. They are probably more reliable than anything else you can buy for that money but they are not well balanced and the lack of anti-reverse is a turnoff. I will probably sell them in the next year or so, and I doubt that I will get $100 for all three.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

great! thx for the tip

I dont think that is a saltwater reel. I alao have a few Yumoshi reel, but a didnt use it on saltwater. Its good enough to use in a freshwater. Its cheap and value for money. Dont buy a proton and expect it to perform like a ferrari.

@ishwithfish

4 жыл бұрын

thx. this reel claimed to be saltwater ready, obviously it wasn't lol.

Very good video

definitely not a saltwater reel. good thing I haven't used mine in saltwater and have no plans to. it's going to be my freshwater reel.

A trick that works with open (all) ball bearings, away with all old lubricants. pack everything, including drag washers with type, MOLYKOTE 44, pure silicon lubricant contained in high purity lithium soap. This grease is highly resistant to saltwater and have turned my casting/spinning/fly reels into low maintenance, close to eternity machines. Almost all lubricants containing mineral oils can disintegrate/induce cracks in thermo plastic components. O.K. the 44 is quite expensive, but worth every buck.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

great tip! i'll check this 44 stuff out.

@psejsson1406

5 жыл бұрын

@@ishwithfish Much of my experience inherits from extensive tests on 3.3 volt cooling fans for "credit card computers" it's the only lubricant that worked on some troublesome squeaking coolers. And a stable temp range from -60 c to in excess of + 200 c even makes things better. You're welcome !

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

so cool how one experience can translate to significant gains in another. sounds like this 44 stuff is going on my list for Santa, thx again!

I just purchased a couple of Chinese reels. I broke the one I had purchased from Cabelas on my last crab snare trip. I hope one of these will handle the double and triple crab snaring load. I will let you know what happens as I put them to the wringer. Tee Hee.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

+Old Man And the Sea yup let me know! ive been looking at those cheap 6000 size bait feeders, 2 Chinese brands that go by Yoshikawa and Dr. Fish have $30 models. I'm really tempted to dive into the cheap bin again😁

@oldmanandthesea3384

7 жыл бұрын

Got a 10000 and 12000. One for crabbing and the other for surf. We shall see. I have a real simple way to make crab snares. Will be posting next month If all goes well with my real life. :) Tight lines and keep up the good work.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Old Man And the Sea yes, i need a better way! my snares take forever. looking forward to it, hope all is well.

@oldmanandthesea3384

7 жыл бұрын

Would you like to do the vid with me? We could do the teacher student thang!

omg srry but, first I do is do some maintenance on all new reels,meaning quality control is not great with these reels but lubricate and grease the parts sir, second buy a good swinger (or use 1 from a reel you got ) & I use a liquid gasket component to seal it from dust and crap...greetings Pascal

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

thx for the feedback. i agree that a lot of these online reels lack QA, but i wanted to test it out-of-box. it didn't do too well out of box. i've used similarly priced piscifun reels, diawa reels, and the penn pursuit ($30-40 range) and they all did much better than the sougayilang.

That's not a saltwater reel again you're not going to get performance over 6 lb test on that real

You absolutely get what you pay for! Nice video man, informative and good review.

Have a look at the Castking brand from China...really happy with them.

@ishwithfish

5 жыл бұрын

cool, i'll check them out

you should use grease for gears not oil !!!

Perhaps up your budget and get tsunami shield

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Team EVO Surf Casters so this chinese reel bargain hunt is a side project/travel only deal. my main plugging reel is a clash, this wq was replaced by a conflict, ie "real" reels.

I use 5000 size, if you use 3000 series here, you need order 2 size larger, that's 5000,

@peterArtStudio582

5 жыл бұрын

Also you need check the max dragging number, in my opinion, at least 10kg, you need

Just had a new daiwa BG4000 fail. It turned out the shaft somehow had gotten bent. What a nightmare taking that reel apart. Very disappointing. The bearings even though they are sealed are getting noisy. That is a 99.00 reel. There are tons of the original diawa ss and bg's that are still chugging along. They were very simple reels with just the one pinion ball bearing. And they all had that handle design that goes thru the main gear. That was a feature that enabled Daiwa to be the only reel company that you could switch from left to right hand.Only very recently has daiwa abandoned that. I am trying the Kodiak 3000 right now. So far so good. Time will tell though. You have to take all the glowing reviews on Amazon with a grain of salt. It is more informative to click on the one star reviews.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

pat thx for the feedback. coincidentally, I'm borrowing a new bg3000 to review, looking forward to it, even though a youtuber I follow "WWJ" has killed his a few times in hawaii. agreed, some bombproof pass throughs exist, if the alloy used is quality you won't get slop, but i prefer the newer screw in. funny, so i also have a Kodiak 5000, 6 months into it, it'll be my next long term review vid👌

@wrightackle1

7 жыл бұрын

I have the 5000 also. I guess I said 3000 because the 5000 Kodiak is the size of a 3000 daiwa. I was stunned at how small the 5000 was when I got it. Its a cool little reel so far though. The handle knob cap screw fell out and somehow made it out of the boat but Kodiak sent a new handle within a few days. With a few tweaks you could easily keep that 27.00 reel going. A few washers on the handle screw, little oil on the felt washers, and a drop of oil on the one way clutch and you're good to go. I actually kind of like those unsealed bearings. You could pack them with some heavy grease and they would be fine. Most of the sealed bearings are not lubed. You have to go to the trouble to take the seals off, pack them, and then reinstall the covers.

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

pat this! it's not much bigger than a penn 4000, daiwa 2500. something ill mention in the full review.

I must be old school because I have always prepped a reel for first use. Even a sub 25 dollar reel. Also comparing those Shimanos (IX,FX,AX series) is an unfair comparison because you CANT kill them unless you abuse them lol. We used those for back bay fishing for Spotted Bay Bass in So Cal. And they have no ball bearings just bushings. Hell I have one now sitting here I use. Good video as usual. I would love to see you clean up that reel and see if you could revive it. Looking forward to your next vid!

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

Bill Miller thx for the great feedback. i wanted to use this stock and see of it lived up to the Amazon claims. yeah, i guess the closest shimano is the ax since its infinite anti reverse. good idea, i wonder if i can resuscitate this wq, not sure how to resolve the handle retention cap/friction issue.

@bodhizafa7125

6 жыл бұрын

Reguardless of cleaning it up the slide thru handle design is garbage. You probably can't even get parts for that reel in the Vid.

The next 1rod1reed in saltwater fishing

Wrong you do not use any weights over a half an ounce on that real that is not appropriate for the fishing that you're doing

Try yumoshi

@instruktorCM

5 жыл бұрын

Is that crap any good?

actually the pass through handle design is newer initially all older reels had the thread on handles !

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

+Daniel macdonald oh really? interesting, thx for the knowledge. i have some old gear that's all pass through, guess i gotta go older for the og screw in.

@littlegoobie

6 жыл бұрын

yeah. had some from the 60's and 70's that screwed in. The problem is they often stripped out or siezed on the thread so they all went to a pass through shaft. And now better alloys or design that allowed them to go back.

@bodhizafa7125

6 жыл бұрын

The pass thru design is crap reguardless when it came out.all brands should be using the screw in style it's just better. He showed you here why it is.

I just got the YB2000 and right out of the box the handle wobbling.Don't buy cheap reel.

@ishwithfish

6 жыл бұрын

yah no more sougayilang for me😓

good video

@ishwithfish

7 жыл бұрын

thx bro!

So far im happy with thus brand.. Check my last video with same brand and 10K size reel...