Why the three episode rule exists

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Frieren has an outstanding first 3 episodes that I think represent the rest of the season wonderfully. I think the 3rd episode is really the cap stone to the intro of the series. Really enjoyed making this video. See you next week
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  • @Koenig_Michi
    @Koenig_MichiАй бұрын

    I honestly didn't even realize that you were analyzing the episodes one by one, really nice to hear that there's more to come

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    Ай бұрын

    I'm not sure it's going to be 1 for 1, for example I made 2 videos on the second episode. But I am trying to generally follow the story chronologically

  • @sheik9956

    @sheik9956

    Ай бұрын

    @@PeyTalksAnime thank you

  • @Alceste_

    @Alceste_

    Ай бұрын

    @@PeyTalksAnime Out of curiosity even tho what you're analyzing is the anime, do you also consume the base material for reference and if you do how do you prevent it from "corrupting"/biasing your analysis of the other media? edited for typo

  • @sooyster4033

    @sooyster4033

    21 күн бұрын

    @@PeyTalksAnime Thanks for turning me on to this show! I wanted to go and watch it before I watched your analyses, and I've been blown away

  • @ChrisH43
    @ChrisH43Ай бұрын

    Ha, I was sold when she truly left for 50 years because I then did know that the writer did take elves somewhat seriously.

  • @folcwinep.pywackett8517

    @folcwinep.pywackett8517

    Ай бұрын

    Yes, I think you are right! My original question here, is why did the very first chapter of the story hook me. Your comment is very likely the reason. It's that 50 year journey Frieren takes as if it were nothing. Even Tolkien didn't get Elves exactly right. After all LOTR is about the Hobbits. Our author here, Kanehito Yamada, does take immortality seriously, and then tries to answer "What would immortality do to a person?". Frieren is convincing as an answer to that question.

  • @tacticallemon7518

    @tacticallemon7518

    Ай бұрын

    @@folcwinep.pywackett8517 especially that shot of friren just breaking down after Himmel’s passing why was Himmel so special to Friren? more importantly, it starts her character arc of giving a shit about the people she’s around Personally, i find there’s almost always a looming feeling of “Friren will outlive every single person she cares about” Which, not only on it’s own is pretty good writing, but then to make the story about how Friren chooses to spend what seemingly limited time she has with them

  • @folcwinep.pywackett8517

    @folcwinep.pywackett8517

    Ай бұрын

    @@tacticallemon7518 Yes! I think that is why one valid English translation of the story title 葬送のフリーレン is "Frieren at the Funeral"

  • @Jeyricho

    @Jeyricho

    Ай бұрын

    I absolutely loved the illustration of just how starkly different someone's pace of life is when they've got centuries versus decades of life ahead of them. I loved that Frieren thought a few years can be considered "a quick stay in a village". I agree completely, the way they embraced the uncomfortable truths of what an immortal elven life ACTUALLY means was the best I'd seen since Tolkien's work (I don't mean Peter Jackson's trilogy, I mean the LotR novels, the Unfinished Tales, the Silmarillion, etc.)

  • @__dane__
    @__dane__Ай бұрын

    I’d argue that it’s not the first three episodes, it’s the first four episodes. Which makes even more sense considering they released the first four episodes together. We aren’t introduced to the greater quest that will span the entire show until the second half of episode four when Frieren returns to open Flamme’s notes and set out for Aureole

  • @josephscottlawrence

    @josephscottlawrence

    Ай бұрын

    Was going to say this too. Episode 3 is cathartic but Episode 4 establishes the overarching goal.

  • @TheBaldrickk

    @TheBaldrickk

    Ай бұрын

    Indeed - each of the first four episodes sets out a key part of the foundation for the series as a whole.

  • @DarwinAwardWinner

    @DarwinAwardWinner

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@josephscottlawrence Yeah, but this video isn't about establishing the plot or the main quest, it's about how the show communicates to the viewer what kind of show they're watching. And I agree with the video, Frieren does that already in the first 3 episodes.

  • @pieperson444

    @pieperson444

    Ай бұрын

    they didn't release the first four episodes together. the first four episodes were a movie that later got split up into the episodes.

  • @aquafox4048

    @aquafox4048

    Ай бұрын

    So you're saying they didn't release the episodes together, but that they instead released them together?​@@pieperson444

  • @JacobZimmerman0
    @JacobZimmerman0Ай бұрын

    I never realized that the butterfly hairpiece ties into Fern’s flashback for the blue butterfly spell that was the reason why she chose to learn magic… that’s wild 🤯 I flippin’ love this show

  • @Stickarms99

    @Stickarms99

    Ай бұрын

    I think the butterfly imagery is also symbolic of her in a more metaphorical way; it references her humble beginnings as a meek, isolated little girl, undertrained in her skills as a mage; and her transformation into a capable young woman and powerful mage, rivalling even Frieren herself.

  • @pieperson444

    @pieperson444

    Ай бұрын

    butterflies are symbols of a short life as well.

  • @d34ddud3
    @d34ddud327 күн бұрын

    Man, every time I see Frieren cry at Himmel's burial I remember how stoic she is throughout the rest of the show and realize how effective it is that they made her show a strong emotion early and let it ferment in her stoicism the rest of the way. That technique ages like fine wine.

  • @hiimshana
    @hiimshanaАй бұрын

    “Create a hook” -> talks about Frieren -> win

  • @molybdaen45
    @molybdaen4518 күн бұрын

    In four minutes, bro talked about a principle, made me realize he was applying said principle, and basically proved what was for him an established truth to a profane mind. truly peak writing.

  • @Gloobus2057

    @Gloobus2057

    19 сағат бұрын

    PROFANE??? LIKE PROVIDENCE THE PROFANED GODDES-

  • @Mir_Teiwaz
    @Mir_TeiwazАй бұрын

    For me, Frieren didn't need even half an episode lmao.

  • @theTYTAN3

    @theTYTAN3

    26 күн бұрын

    Yeah, Frieren sold me right away with the music, production value and tone. Madoka Magica was similar I could tell pretty quickly that something wasn't quite as "cute" as it seemed. The only really great show I can think of that needs the 3 episode rule is Full Metal Alchemist, and even then it only needs 2 episodes.

  • @zerotofifty

    @zerotofifty

    13 күн бұрын

    @@theTYTAN3 I've just watched the first episode of Madoka Magica and I was immediately hooked by the production quality alone. Same thing happened with Mob Psycho and Bakemonogatari as well.

  • @ubelmensch

    @ubelmensch

    6 күн бұрын

    For me it I almost drop the series in the third or fourth episode. I specifically hated Frieren. Think of it like how autistic people tend to dislike other autistic people.

  • @ImFrelled
    @ImFrelledАй бұрын

    It's nice that a reactor noticed and understood the significance of Fern reading the Magic History Tome while sitting on the back of the wagon. I've only seen two other people notice it and comment on it. She was shown, not told by Frieren, why learning the history of magic is so important. Fern got to work! lol

  • @jezusbloodie

    @jezusbloodie

    Ай бұрын

    I live the way the history tome is introduced, as part of a montage of Frieren buying useless stuff with Fern remarking something like "maybe that one isn't useless". Even tho Fern introduces the item such, the book is only mentioned between Fern and Frieren twice afterwards, showing Fern definitly didn't grasp the usefulness yet. The introduction in a seemingly throwaway moment, while connecting it with a little irony to a character, is so neat. The tome serves an important role in telling the story and the in-world history and doesn't overstay it's welcome Such a well applied story telling device

  • @folcwinep.pywackett8517
    @folcwinep.pywackett8517Ай бұрын

    Frieren did something to me, that no other story has ever done. Long before the Anime, I read some reviewers of Manga who mentioned the work and recommended it. So I picked up a copy of Vol 1. The story hooked me in Chapter 1 before it was even over. No story has ever done that to me. Here I am with Frieren at the Funeral and I am caring about a character who is already done and gone, and I know nothing about him. I still do not know how the author did that.

  • @calronkeltaran493

    @calronkeltaran493

    Ай бұрын

    ture. you have other shows where a charakter is around for multiple seasons. and when they die, you feel nothing. then there is himmel, who is on screen for like 10min and his funeral is one of the saddest moments I have seen in anime, only topped by Oshinoko

  • @folcwinep.pywackett8517

    @folcwinep.pywackett8517

    Ай бұрын

    @@calronkeltaran493 Yes, it is absolutely amazing storytelling. The commenter @ChrisH43 in a discussion here identified the 50 years that Frieren travels in chapter 1 / episode 1 as the trope that turns the Elf into a real person which makes her emotional reaction believable and relatable. "Ha, I was sold when she truly left for 50 years because I then did know that the writer did take elves somewhat seriously." - @ChrisH43

  • @owencmyk
    @owencmykАй бұрын

    I know I already talked about this in a previous comment, but that last part you mentioned with Zoltrok (or however it might be spelled) is genuinely one of my favourite scenes in the entire show. I don't 100% know why it hit me so hard, but that scene is amazing. I also love pretty much everything to do with the escape golems, but I'll get to that more when we get there I'm sure

  • @Talon1124

    @Talon1124

    Ай бұрын

    I think it's how Qual's eyes move from his PoV before he spots Frieren. He's expecting a ground-bound attack, not a flying one. It shows just how fast the magic system being used 80 years on from his heyday is so drastically different that even with his prodigeous aptitude for Magic, he disassembled the Defence Barrier in seconds, non-Demons being able to fly, surprises him enough that Frieren can fire her Zoltraak before he can even react.

  • @gustavocortico1681

    @gustavocortico1681

    Ай бұрын

    I think it's about the self centered solitary genius vs. socially oriented iterative development and which one survives the test of time

  • @User_Unknown86
    @User_Unknown86Ай бұрын

    The 3 episode rule existed before Modoka. It was a why dor people who didn't want to get bogged down by watching more anime than they can consume only too feel disappointed they watched one over another that they might have like more. Some would even like the first few episodes of an anime, but realize it'll take a while for the meat of the story to kick in so would come back later to binge it.

  • @charliemoody7168
    @charliemoody7168Ай бұрын

    Frieren is a masterclass in visual storytelling You’ve earned a subscription

  • @ObiwanNekody
    @ObiwanNekodyАй бұрын

    Qual - particularly Frieren's conversation with him - is what sold me on show.

  • @snimon5824

    @snimon5824

    Ай бұрын

    Tho, the episode 1 premise and a clip of Stark Vs Solar Dragon was what hooked me. The Qual fight is what really immerses me in Frieren's world building. From Qual's baller design, magic being analogous to advancement in technology which is an opposite to the usual trope, exposition tying-in naturally through Frieren mentoring Fern, one of Evan Call most iconic soundtrack yet and the short but amazing animation.

  • @calronkeltaran493

    @calronkeltaran493

    Ай бұрын

    @@snimon5824 the only thing about qual, that is puzzleing to me, is how every other demon looks. all the demons later in the show look like humans with horns. even the other old demons look like humans, including aura. the exception are the anchient demons shown when flamme is around, but here they are in full armor. so they could still look like humans. qual is the only demon, that actually looks like an imposing figure. I hope in later episodes, this will come up because so far, it seems that qual was just an early design that was forgotten about later.

  • @greatclubsandwich5612

    @greatclubsandwich5612

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@calronkeltaran493 That's merely situational necessity. The demons in the city that Stark and Fern fight are trying to deceive humans into thinking they can coexist. This would be difficult if they were 12 foot tall monstrosities. They look as close to humans without being human. Now either they were given this task because they looked so human and it's a matter of some look more evil than others, or they changed their appearance with magic to blend better. Aura likely looks human to goad people into her scale trap. You would be more likely to believe you are stronger than what looks like a small child rather than a big monster. It could also be personal preference. The demon general choosing the more imposing monstrous look in times of war to strike fear in his enemies while the more modern demons know that humans are not so easily scared away as they now have the tools to fight back.

  • @CaulkMongler

    @CaulkMongler

    Ай бұрын

    @@calronkeltaran493 technically they say in the novel that a demon is any beast that’s learned how to mimic the human language, and features more demons that look humanoid or not armored/horned.

  • @ChandravijayAgrawal
    @ChandravijayAgrawal24 күн бұрын

    Frieren reminded me of Spice and Wolf, the wolf just like Frieren lived for Hundreds of years, both experienced companions die, both had peaceful world and helped other character become remarkable in their life, Spice and wold focused on economy and Frieren focused on magic, the difference is S&P had more words and conversations, and Frieren had more silent moments and more characters that know Frieren so she is less alone, fulfilled her purpose

  • @skycladobserver9246
    @skycladobserver9246Ай бұрын

    Frieren hooked me in the first episode.

  • @teancumhorning4317

    @teancumhorning4317

    Ай бұрын

    Ya the way I got hooked on the manga was how cold the world felt which made the emotional moments much more hard hitting.

  • @reaperandyel
    @reaperandyelАй бұрын

    9:27 Bruh, I didn't even noticed the hole on the cliff behind Qual when I watched it.

  • @X23Natalie
    @X23NatalieАй бұрын

    The big takeaway from that third episode is that Frieren does demons dirty .... in front of their moms, if she can.

  • @Commanderstevo
    @CommanderstevoАй бұрын

    Fantastic, and very true I cant think of an anime that did its first three episodes better. One thing I absolutely adore about Ferns fight with qual is how much of an impression he left with fern. Later in the series, during the first test of the first class mage exam Frieren gets into a fight with a Mage named Edel, during this fight Fern actually uses Quals method of defeating her against Edel. Firing off a mass of rapid fire single attacks to overwhelm Edel's defences, Then when she is about to crack Fern hits her with a massive Zoltraak. Its not mentioned at all (which i love) but it is the exact way that Qual fought her. Fern is scary when she fights, She even channeled the Elder Sage of Destruction in her fight style, and to be fair if that was my first fight that would leave a big impression on me too.

  • @zellegoodwin9046
    @zellegoodwin90466 күн бұрын

    This show had me crying twice in the first two episodes. Needless to say I was instantly hooked.

  • @Fr3ddeh
    @Fr3ddehАй бұрын

    Ever since I found your channel last week, I have anxiously been awaiting your next video. Thx 👍

  • @ecidaho
    @ecidahoАй бұрын

    Wonderful analysis and it so cool to see how much this series is enjoyed and why it checks so many boxes for so many people in a genre that is so hard to be original it much less so good! From the writing to animation! Thank you for your insight!

  • @blackrat1228
    @blackrat1228Ай бұрын

    Loving these in depth videos about how each episode works thematically to suck the viewer in. Obviously it's something that people feel but often it's hard to put into words.

  • @luisguillermogarcia3724
    @luisguillermogarcia3724Ай бұрын

    Love how you put in practice all you mention on your video. Very well done. If I could had one thing that many Frieren episodes also had was that “second hook” by the end of the episode that leaves you intrigued on what will come next. New follower to your videos👍🏼

  • @crawfish91
    @crawfish91Ай бұрын

    7:55 correctly done of show don't tell. not many people know this part showing fern "now" starts to read the book. Now she understands why and becomes more interested.

  • @Ayame55555
    @Ayame55555Ай бұрын

    Love your exploration of Frieren! Thank you!

  • @29shrek8
    @29shrek8Ай бұрын

    this video is so underrated, i told my friend who has watched over 20 anime to the 3rd episode then dropped them to watch frieren, this video explains it great. she enjoyed it a lot.

  • @OhmIsFutile
    @OhmIsFutile20 күн бұрын

    Outstanding analysis for a 10-minute video. I rarely comment and I find myself a bit cliché writing this, but I think you deserve both more views and subs and I wrote this as you're hitting 100k views. I couldn't put my finger on why Frieren managed to hook me despite feeling seemingly slow. In hindsight, there's more even more to like than what you described, and I dare say the first episode might even be below average in terms of hooks, but I'm glad I stuck with it and trusted the hype about this one. I've been quite disappointed by the hyped up animes recently, but Frieren has been a breath of fresh air.

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    20 күн бұрын

    thanks for the comment. I appreciate the perspective and support

  • @kuyacoolin5267
    @kuyacoolin5267Ай бұрын

    great video dude!!! had me interested the whole way through

  • @Nekuro2
    @Nekuro29 күн бұрын

    Small note that often gets overlooked. Qual says “So you can fly?”. Definitely when during his era flying wasn’t fully understood and studied. Flying humans was only recently developed only 50 years before present time, as its was native to only demons/monsters, and birds. Very small detail to really show how behind Qual of the humans.

  • @CalmClamFam

    @CalmClamFam

    5 күн бұрын

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who caught that. I was like “She didn’t used to fly before?” Like that one line from Qual really adds so much to the world building in such a subtle, organic way.

  • @colemaddentube8543
    @colemaddentube8543Ай бұрын

    love your editing man, keep it up!

  • @768DAGGER
    @768DAGGERАй бұрын

    This show had me in my emotions. It's executed so perfectly. I look forward to what comes next from this masterpiece.

  • @HiHi-eo8cr
    @HiHi-eo8crАй бұрын

    I agree that brandon sanderson is amazing! I've read all of mistborn, the stormlight archive, and wheel of time (which ik he didn't write all of, but the portions he did write were amazing) and loved them all! Freiren is one of my favorite animes, and your analysis definitely does it justice! Keep up the good work!

  • @diogomelo7897
    @diogomelo789711 күн бұрын

    Although I was already sold on Frieren from the begining, it was around episode 7 and 8 that really gor me into the show, going from "this is good" to "this is great".

  • @umairsystem
    @umairsystem21 күн бұрын

    how magnificent is to revive the experience for the audience with the perspective lens of both human and an elf. The side by side flashbacks were truly a masterpiece.

  • @FairladyZ2005
    @FairladyZ200515 күн бұрын

    Great video! Looking forward to more Frieren content. It's my favorite new anime/manga. Subscribed.

  • @ZackKo
    @ZackKoАй бұрын

    I just started Frieren and was thinking about this. Great video!

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    Ай бұрын

    lets goooo zack

  • @Seluecus1
    @Seluecus1Ай бұрын

    I'm curious how many people noticed (during the 50 year skip) the fact that MH actually animated the slow growth of the trees and the erosion of the stone on the hillside behind them.

  • @cwcpants140
    @cwcpants140Ай бұрын

    Solid advice on how to write as well, great video!

  • @tongansquillium1263
    @tongansquillium1263Ай бұрын

    At the time of this video coming out I am currently almost finished watching Frieren after dropping it on episode 2 twice, ironic.

  • @NeonicIG
    @NeonicIG17 күн бұрын

    Great video dude! I found myself agreeing more with each part of the video. Just a suggestion for future videos, if you're interested, you might want to look into the sibilance frequencies, those are the ones where the 's' in 'sip' and the 'g' in 'genre' fall. These are usually between 4 kHz and 10 kHz. By lowering just these frequencies, you can remove the hissing sound of the 's' without altering your voice. Keep up the great work!

  • @rice1436
    @rice1436Ай бұрын

    your videos are sooo good man

  • @Wonderbread91
    @Wonderbread9111 күн бұрын

    Agreed, all it took was the first three episodes for me to know this would be in my top 5 of all time. The way it captured me, very few anime have ever done that.

  • @Pan3m
    @Pan3mАй бұрын

    As soon as you said people quit the video thirty seconds in it was like you were calling me out 😂 took it as a challenge and it’s a fire video

  • @flippitymode
    @flippitymode23 күн бұрын

    Keep making bangers, and I'll keep coming back

  • @aidanblackett8930
    @aidanblackett893029 күн бұрын

    You've popped up on my usual feed and ive never seen you before, like your work though and i hope you've been blessed by the algorithms and get more attention.

  • @normILL
    @normILL10 күн бұрын

    I don't have an exact date, but I can confirm as someone who's been in the community since the mid 2000s that the three episode rule predates Madoka, despite it being an excellent example for it. It in fact might have had that tone shift reveal by episode three *because* the team were playing to the three episode rule that was already prominent at the time.

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    10 күн бұрын

    Yeah a couple other people have shared a similar sentiment. I'm inclined to trust y'all! Thanks for sharing

  • @nicholaspetrini
    @nicholaspetriniАй бұрын

    What got me started on the three episode rule was Soul Eater, iykyk

  • @voidbehemoth
    @voidbehemothАй бұрын

    I really enjoyed this video. As an aspiring screenwriter I always love to see story broken down and dissected. Also, *technically* Qual was the Elder Sage of Corruption, not one of the demon king’s generals per se.

  • @eramires
    @eramires16 күн бұрын

    This anime in particular is a masterpiece loved watching it. ^^

  • @roxze772
    @roxze77227 күн бұрын

    1st episode was the hook lol. emotional story telling of that caliber in 24 minutes? crazy lol

  • @CursedEvalion
    @CursedEvalion14 күн бұрын

    this is a really really good video

  • @kamiriyu
    @kamiriyu24 күн бұрын

    I saw the trailer for Frieren and instantly knew it would be incredible, that being said I was still overwhelmed with shattered expectations as I watched the show I expected it to be great but it’s been perfect

  • @HuevosAzules
    @HuevosAzules7 күн бұрын

    Releasing The first four episodes at once was a genius move. Straight big brain. I liked the first episode but after the second and third I didn't want it to end. I hope more studios decide to do that

  • @andrewsattler2785
    @andrewsattler2785Ай бұрын

    Excellent video, nicely done

  • @TheRazeryan
    @TheRazeryan22 күн бұрын

    great stuff!

  • @lukedumoulin8204
    @lukedumoulin8204Ай бұрын

    really well made video

  • @Nebulaofthenorth
    @Nebulaofthenorth27 күн бұрын

    my favorite part of the anime was episode 7 when they battle the demons and we hear Zoltraak (the music) playing on the background my absolute favorite song from frieren

  • @kamiriyu
    @kamiriyu24 күн бұрын

    The urge to stop watching the video at 30 seconds when he says most people stop at 30 seconds, for the meme

  • @JamesTheHuman
    @JamesTheHuman18 күн бұрын

    one anime that really hooked me was oshi no ko. the first ep is 2 hours long by the time i realized that i was already an hour and half in and hadn't even noticed

  • @Barbruhhhh
    @Barbruhhhh4 күн бұрын

    The moment I saw the trailer I knew this was gonna be good so I waited until the season ended.. finished all the ep in one day❤ If I remember correctly Vinland saga season 1 was also very slow paced until I reached ep 3 where we see little the little Thorfinn screaming how he is gonna avenge his dad!…that got me hooked ngl.

  • @deskitt
    @deskitt28 күн бұрын

    heard brandon sanderson and immediately knew it was worth subscribing

  • @SaraSong-mw3zm
    @SaraSong-mw3zm25 күн бұрын

    Not Ludwig just being: BOYS!

  • @Eldiran1
    @Eldiran1Ай бұрын

    The thing said in the intro about art can be say about knowledge. If i have 2 bread, i can give one to another person and one bread would still be in my posession. If i teach someone about stuff, like yellow wine exist, i will still know that fact. When we learn stuff, the people who teach us these stuff, like yellow wine exist, don't lose the knowledge, and i find that amazing. To be honest, i didny know about the 3 episodes rule, so thanks to you.Thanks for the knowledge ^^

  • @dareka9425
    @dareka9425Ай бұрын

    I felt the hooks digging in as episode started but I couldn't be sure. Something felt off but in a good way. The line was pulled when Himmel died and the hooks thoroughly dug in by the end of the episode. It's been a while since I was this invested in an anime. Some of more recent anime like One Punchman, Mob 100, Goblin Slayer and Spy X Family hooked me in with their first season but I start to loose attention with their second part or season. Some of the newer entertainment articles are hilarious. They always have some vague title about some hot unnamed show that is trending or they wished it to be. The first 2-3 paragraphs would just the author meandering about what they what to talk about without direst naming their particular subject. After that, and some ads, they would finally talk about the show or game they are talking about and I would just clicked off soon after.

  • @sojusomi
    @sojusomiАй бұрын

    the more vids i watch about frieren the more i see why i enjoyed this show it truly is another masterpiece of anime

  • @nexneedsanewvessel7571
    @nexneedsanewvessel7571Ай бұрын

    loved this! you have a very clear and concise way of conveying information. i'm gonna share a bit of unsolicited advice though, just since it's something i noticed haha. in graphic design, it's generally a rule to make as much of your text aligned as possible, whether that be left or right or anything else. and it's also important to be purposeful with text size and font. you have titles for different parts, y'know? it would be good to say "part x" in your usual font, then the title in something big and bold, ideally without serifs so it stands out properly. there's nothing wrong with peppering text at random across a page- it can be quite charming and effective- but when that's all you do, it's a little messy. same for making individual words appear and (especially) disappear at random times; it's just a bit much, and at least for me, ends up distracting from the video topic. but that's just me! i doubt this is something most people would notice... though they might feel it subconsciously. marketing is a whole career field for a reason i guess. but yeah. good luck

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    Ай бұрын

    I appreciate the perspective. I'll sit with it and consider

  • @nexneedsanewvessel7571

    @nexneedsanewvessel7571

    Ай бұрын

    @@PeyTalksAnime do whatever feels best. art isn't always conformative to the norm, nor is it always pleasing to the eye. what matters is whether it means something to you.

  • @Wither_Strike
    @Wither_Strike14 күн бұрын

    at the start you asked a question, "how long will you give an anime before you give up on it?", and i want to share my story here because i think its funny. I had heard of a show called Overlord (good show, watch it) and thought "eh, might give it a try." cut to episode 6 or so, and at this point im not really feeling it. by this point my exposure to anime had been SAO, Death Note, and maybe Log Horizon, hard to say. so the first little bit of overlord was not was i was expecting from anime as a whole, so i decided "maybe ill come back to it later" and boy am i glad i came back to it, its now one of my favorites and is one of 3 anime im considering finding the LNs for, alongside That Time as a Slime and Re:Zero

  • @kiryukaimemorial127
    @kiryukaimemorial127Ай бұрын

    It's weird to me, hearing of the '3 episode rule' being a culturally accepted baseline since Madoka, since I've been practicing that mantra since the mid-90's. I thought I coined it, since no one else really talked about it at the time. But it's one I still stand by to this day. Although, I have noticed a trend in recent releases to aim for a 2-4 episode 'starter' to get the prologue out of the way. Oshi No Ko Episode 1 would have been equivalent to about 4 episodes, same as Frieren. Regardless, there is an awareness in the eyes of the creator nowadays that was lacking in the past. Oh, and I've read every Sanderson novel up to Oathbringer. You have good taste.

  • @WJGAMING66
    @WJGAMING663 күн бұрын

    I always watch 3 episodes in anime it series to decide if I like it and will continue

  • @wizcatcheslightning
    @wizcatcheslightningАй бұрын

    Excellent video

  • @TheBananenBoot
    @TheBananenBootАй бұрын

    Y'all know what i was thinking about for a few days. All the places and people have german names. But then theres Aureol. Which is not a german name. Which i find odd

  • @Infix96
    @Infix96Ай бұрын

    im always giving 6 episodes to every series.

  • @olorinistar9903
    @olorinistar990327 күн бұрын

    I had never heard of the three episode rule when I first started watching shows, but I made myself a similar five episode rule because my first show that I was watching for a friend's and did not interest me until episode 5

  • @tylerkauffman7772
    @tylerkauffman7772Ай бұрын

    Any plans on going over the music in general? Evan Call did a fantastic job of creating a soundtrack that always seems to fit in with the atmosphere. The track that plays when they are fighting Qual (Evolution of Magic) for example, transitions from moment to moment in a way that isn’t jarring in my opinion.

  • @thesunthrone

    @thesunthrone

    Ай бұрын

    I've read that it's because of the great planning this entire series had - the composer had plenty of time to tune the score to the script and animation, which means the big moments that much harder.

  • @b4rn45thp0l
    @b4rn45thp0lАй бұрын

    Offf that clip of Keria Crying gave me PTSD

  • @JasperBromley5930
    @JasperBromley5930Ай бұрын

    great video.

  • @eeveekyu4446
    @eeveekyu4446Ай бұрын

    the first episode of oshinoko could have been 3 episosed, but they were bold enough to make it a 1hour long episode too really hook you into the plot twist and it paid off

  • @azkon7975
    @azkon7975Ай бұрын

    I would argue that, to a seasoned watcher, 1 episode can be enough, at least in determining whether to drop it. I think 3 episodes is to get the whole concept and feel of the show. But the first, the pilot episode, is the hook and it is incredibly important. Anime Production tends to put much of its budget into the first episode, last episodes, and any mid-season climaxes. Episode 1 is the hook. Episode 2 and 3 is the test of whether they have the ability to follow through (line). The rest of the show is the sinker...if I'm following the fishing metaphor. Episode 1 will usually be bombastic in some way and provides the promise. Episodes 2 and 3 will provide what a typical episode will look like and what the rest of the season will entail. If the Episode 1, arguably the episode that matters the most, fails to hook, then the rest is not really worth watching. Like, if the most important episode feels mid, the quality of the rest of the show isn't going to be better. Maybe I'll come back to a later season if they have different people working on it and it pops off. However, it does take a *seasoned* watcher to do this. Not all Episode 1s are the same. A counter-argument against the "1 episode" rule is that there are slow-burn shows that don't show their hand until much of the foundation has been laid. But a skilled storyteller can scatter the seeds and a seasoned watcher can see the seeds being sown. If I like these seeds and I see the hands sowing them carefully, it will have my curiosity. I'll pull the trigger for episodes 2 and 3. The storyteller carefully and skillfully tends its fields. It now has my attention. I think Frieren's first episode provides the hook pretty well. Episodes 2 and 3 provide the followthrough and instills the confidence.

  • @fbihorse
    @fbihorseАй бұрын

    I made the 4 episode rule after dropping violet evergarden after 3 episodes and a year later it went on to be one of my favorites

  • @bluesbest1
    @bluesbest120 күн бұрын

    Cutting off at 4:18 because I want to get into Frieren when I have time and I don't want any spoilers beyond out-of-context clips and a basic synopsis of episode 1. BTW, in support of the concept of "give it a couple episodes", I tried to get into Avatar: The Last Airbender when I was a teenager, but couldn't because the movie (that doesn't exist) presented a different tone for basically everyone and I wasn't interested in watching a silly, goofy Iroh so I didn't even watch Zuko crash into the Southern Water Tribe until about 6 years later. And the only reason why I decided to give it a try was because I saw some out-of-context clips while my college roommates were watching it on the living room TV. If I'd watched more than 10 minutes of the show, I'd have gotten a much better understanding of what the show's really about.

  • @JavanAnime
    @JavanAnimeАй бұрын

    brandon sanderson mention!

  • @TeeAyEye
    @TeeAyEye28 күн бұрын

    Randomly happened upon this video via the YT algorithm and realized that you're the same Pey that played basketball with everyone at Smash Camp Sup :O

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    28 күн бұрын

    Lmao yo what's good. Did you play? If so what team?

  • @PeyTalksAnime

    @PeyTalksAnime

    27 күн бұрын

    I looked at your youtube and realized your tai! I remember you well :D

  • @aileighgrover8890
    @aileighgrover8890Ай бұрын

    Whats funny is I usually watch the whole series or video once i click it because I try not to judge until I know everything. Though once I got 800 chapters into a terrible novel and realized this novel had 1500 chapters so I gave up then. But a lot of people dont do that and often never recommend stuff that is slow even though it can be good at the end.

  • @Naifukiti
    @NaifukitiАй бұрын

    The only anime I know of that broke the 3 episode rule is Noein.

  • @asta_steam7944
    @asta_steam7944Ай бұрын

    1:58 there rule depends alot on how many episodes does it have, if it has 12 its 3 episodes, 24 its 5-6 episodes

  • @VendettaProduction01
    @VendettaProduction01Ай бұрын

    My Anime Lied, that’s been a thing long before Magical girls. It was three because at the third episode that’s the length of a full movie. If a show can’t hook you within the time of a full movie it’s not going to.

  • @SageO6PathzGON
    @SageO6PathzGON28 күн бұрын

    ludwig reference ??? pog

  • @porky1118
    @porky1118Ай бұрын

    2:00 I somehow managed to watch 3 episodes of Made in Abyss, and then decided, it's not for me. I'm not sure, how this could happen, since in the end of episode 3, it started to get interesting. But gladly I tried again, and now it's in my top 3 anime.

  • @CobaltTurquoise_
    @CobaltTurquoise_Ай бұрын

    0:57 how DARE you show that keria clip when talkin abt how some ppl have to lose 😭 😭

  • @TheBionics.
    @TheBionics.25 күн бұрын

    i usually give anime a pretty good chance cause there are some really really good animes that i love where there first whole season or just there first few episodes are mid asf. but it gets insanely good later on.

  • @ishigamiyu174
    @ishigamiyu17429 күн бұрын

    0:13 brandon sanderson mentioned yayyyy EDIT: 2:20 as well! i like this dude this time hes actually talking about him EDIT2: HE BRINGS HIM UP CONSTANTLY???

  • @totallyfine6240
    @totallyfine6240Ай бұрын

    I'm waiting for Pey to talk about Stark. One of the main character out of the 2 of them if i'm correct.

  • @blacklistnr1
    @blacklistnr125 күн бұрын

    Hot take: consistent execution far outweighs promises/hooks Nowadays I judge whether to start a movie/tv show/anime by 3-5 random seeks in a random episode, if the execution of art style, music, scene, characters expressions/demeanour don't catch my attention, nothing else will. As a background I also started with a 2-3 episode rule, but I found it a weak predictor & wasteful of my time. The best media I've watched was that which just took me along for the ride, no expectations or hooks needed. A great example of this is avatar the last airbender: I just want to be in that experience. The world, characters and story could completely change, but as long as the execution stays the same, I would watch it.

  • @jeremywinston1
    @jeremywinston111 күн бұрын

    i will argue: not the first three, the first four. I say this because i had a period of my life where i watched Anime from beginning to end regardless of whether i liked them or not, and there’s many that i wanted to drop after the 3rd, but i actually would have regretted it if i did. i watched more than a 1000 anime, this didn’t happen only two or three times. This logic applies to animation as well, took me some time to get used to certain type of animation, but then i ended up even enjoying it.

  • @nesc505
    @nesc5055 сағат бұрын

    The reason for the 3 episode rule, in anime, exists, is because before streaming and downloading anime, there were DVDs and you didn't know what the show was about before you bought it, at the store, so you bought one DVD, to take home and see if it was worth it to buy the rest of the show. It all began from DVDs and before all the stuff we have today, with anime

  • @patrickdawson6281
    @patrickdawson6281Ай бұрын

    A video i watched a long time ago went into depth about how whilst the 3 episode rule is good its not actually necessary, he used Stiens Gate as an example about how you can tell in a single episode (even if there isn't a major hook) whether or not a show is worth your time. Ever since iv'e been able to quickly tell what anime are worth watching, the only time it failed me was demon slayer where the first episode was quite good but the quality rapidly degraded and i dropped it by about episode 4 or 5.

  • @GameJam230
    @GameJam230Ай бұрын

    The interesting thing about the clickbait example is that you can do it in more places than a video's thumbnail. Just look at Mr. Beasts videos, like the ones where he shows least valuable to most valuable versions of things, like say a house. The thumbnail shows the most expensive one, the intro teases the most valuable one, and 2 or 3 times along the way Jimmy will remind you "But if you think we've seen ANYTHING yet, just wait until the most expensive house at the end!", ensuring that you keep watching through. You just need to make sure that those reminders are close enough together to make sure the viewer doesn't forget, but not too plentiful to feel like you aren't making any progress towards the redemption of that promise throughout.

  • @smreason
    @smreasonАй бұрын

    Personally, I do start videos then soon stop just to get them into my history for later watching.

  • @reignofthedragon
    @reignofthedragonАй бұрын

    YO GOT ME AT FRIEREN 😊

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