The Nikon D6 will be the last camera body I buy...I don’t shoot film and I don’t shoot video...pure shooter that needs a body that is built like a tank, fully weather sealed and weighs POUNDS and not GRAMS. My D4S went THROUGH my windshield 2 years ago after I got rear ended...no worries...picked it up, brushed off the dirt and slapped on my 35mm f/1.8 Tamron and took photos of the accident site. SERIOUSLY doubt that anything Sony/Fujifilm makes could have pulled that off. You are right though, the D6 has to improve on the things you pointed out. At least make an effort Nikon...we know that this body is for the 1% of the 1% of LEGIT Pro shooters that are at major league sports events and guys climbing Everest and such...but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t just RULE. Why not go out on top?!

@lawrenceeastbury7931

4 жыл бұрын

Nikon 👌😎

@tomhughes5123

4 жыл бұрын

totally agree . im putting my pocket money away , these cameras d3 to present day are built to survive war zones and have done

@obsidian00

4 жыл бұрын

tom Hughes *UPDATE* ...I did not buy the D6...I bought the 1DX3 and I could not be happier.

@tomhughes5123

4 жыл бұрын

@@obsidian00 great , i havnt seen that yet , but im glad your happy about it 👍 i ended up with d850s . Only because of whats going on in the world , seemed pointless buying a few speed machines when the worlds at a standstill , stay well buddy

@obsidian00

4 жыл бұрын

tom Hughes You too!

I am late to this video Dan, but as the excitement, now near the end of January 2020 as of this posting, builds for the NIkon D6, it seems you had some very valid points. I too, love the OVF of the DSLR and as someone who has shot the Nikon D5 since it was unveiled, I am really excited about the updates for the upcoming D6. I think it will be the last DSLR for a while from Nikon, but for now really looking forward to the release.

At last .........someone with depth of knowledge in photography uploads a great video in this dumpster called YT!! !Great points Dan, couldn't agree with you more. You cannot beat the OVF when it comes down to fast action / wildlife shooting. Of course the D6 is very relevant , otherwise why would Nikon release 4 top drawer super expensive pro F mount lenses within a period of something more than a Year!!! They must know something, after all, they have been into the camera business for more than a century.!! Whatever anyone says the proof is in the pudding.....we will see how many pro photographers turn up at the Tokyo Olympics with a mirrorless camera 😂. Not many I don't think. The D6 might not be for many ( due to cost primarily), but there are Genres out there that they are still the best tool to have and they certainly have their place in the market. Why all this hype with mirrorless I could never understand! I mean why can't both systems co-exist? Having options in life is a good thing no ? Nikon said that they will be producing and developing both systems in parallel, and they have proven that with the new glass for F mount . Great upload man thanks for sharing .Liked and subbed!!

I’m sure it’ll be a beast but not something I’d buy or anyone I know that would buy. As an adventure photographer I very much now appreciate small mirrorless and they are as durable as I’ve ever needed. The days of hauling a camera like the D6 into the backcountry are over for me. I see this camera for photojournalists, large news/sports outlets, wildlife photographers or people already invested in lots of expensive glass. But as Ted Forbes said it will be one of several excellent photographic tools at our disposal and I’m grateful for that. Choose the best tool for the job! Thanks for the insightful video Dan.

Every Camera matters! The question is should someone actually purchase a camera like this DSLR over other offerings. Zero black out, silent shooting, at least 20fps is what the Nikon needs to deliver to just keep up what I already own! Ergonomics of the sooner or later upcoming a9II would in my opinion be in line with the a7riv although time will tell.

@Kprawl291986

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine the new A9II with dual XQD card slot to go with that speed 😆

No banding. No overheating. No crappy shutter design. Great battery life. The best weather sealing. The best reliability. That's the advantage to DSLR over mirrorless.

Loved Iceland!!! I was there about 15 years or so ago.. I spent 10 days where i think i could've done everything in 5 and then used the other 5 days in another part of Europe. Food was a Tad pricey i got used to it. Loved the Museums! People were pretty friendly too!! It was kinda cool to have people ask you" why are you here"? " there's nothing to see here, we dont get many Americans here" this was before it started to be a popular destinations spot. I'm sure the people there are plenty used to us by now.

Really, really good video. Totally agree with your point for the D6. Let's hope you're right-on.

Kudos, Dan, for this intelligent and balanced analysis. I am subscribing to your channel.

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!! Thank you so much

I will be buying this new D6 as a pro press tog, my last upgrade was the D4.

I like where your head is at Dan. My biggest concern is that in trying to compete spec for spec with the Sony A9, they'll lose sight of what makes the D5 the D5. I think the biggest problem with Nikon's non announcement is that they don't really reinforce who the camera is designed for. I think too many people and think that all cameras are relatively equal for all photographic tasks. This is not true. The Nikon single-digit series, the Canon 1D, and subsequent 1DX series of cameras are tuned for maximum reliability and toughness. I still remember the huge fiasco when the 1DsIII had AF issues, and how much of a hit Canon's flagship took a bath in prestige. This was especially true when Canon failed to address it right off the bat. I've either owned, or worked with every Nikon Flagship since the D1X that was released back in Feb 2001 to the Nikon D5. Not one of them has given me issues. You're absolutely right, Mirrorless is the future. Just like DSLRs had to, the technology has to mature. One area that mirrorless has a lot more room to mature is in ergonomics.

I think we will have D6 and A9ii launches taking place in an interval of 2 Months , Octoberfor Sony and December for Nikon

Well said Dan, you raised some important points. The D6 is gonna be built like a tank; I predict that the Sony A9 ii (if it is released in 2020) it will stick with the smae body construction which will not appeal to pro sports/action/wildlife shooters. I just can't see press agencies making a big switch to Sony from Canon or Nikon for the 2020 Olympics; too risky as they may question the build quality of the bodies, buffering out when shoots bursts of images, overheating, battery life etc. The Sony cameras could be useful for Olympic events which require a quiet atmosphere so silent shutter can be used but the D6 may incorporate a 'quieter' shutter anyway.

@bassangler73

4 жыл бұрын

Good points! I dont think the ole flappy mirror is going anywhere soon

@twmUX

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Ferneyhough can anyone confirm the banding issue with silent shooting under indoor lighting? I get it every time....A7iii user.

Good video Dan, totally agree 👍 Also Ted Forbes posted a very interesting video!

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Nice! I'll go check it out

B&H and Adorama just lowered the price of the D850 so I'll be getting one.

I hope they skip the vid options and just and only improve the camera for photographers.

The ability to transfer an image 20s to 30s faster is major. It takes the D6 a second to send an image while a 1Dx Mk iii has to wait for it's images to transfer in order. Ex. Canon: Burst 16fps 300imgs transfer 1-300 (best image at 200, you must wait for the next 100 imgs to transfer in order) Ex. Nikon: burst 14fps 200imgs transfer 1-200 (best image at 200, swipe up, img 200 instantly sent ahead first) The Canon 1Dx Mk iii has a lot of hype but it literally only just caught up to the D5 in terms of specs, it's only surpassed it in fps and buffer, the video side is hype, you're not buying a 1Dx Mk iii to shoot video, there's plenty of cheaper bodies capable of doing a lot better. The 1Dx can shoot more images but that's negligible for those pros based on what they've said while shooting in the 2016 Olympics, b/c they already had sufficient fps at 12 and an unlimited buffer at 170 & 200 from both the D5 and 1Dx Mk ii. The 1000+ buffer is great but not entirely practical. I doubt they'll need to go passed 120 images in the buffer although Canon may with the higher fps may hit 200 during burst shooting.

DSLR'S imo will be around for years to come..Serious sports and wildlife shooters will stick with the DSLR...I primarily shoot birds in flight and I can not find a mirrorless camera that can do the job as well as my DSLR...They are more rugged, weather resistant and the AF is far superior to mirrorless and as you mentioned dust on the sensor is a huge problem for mirrorless and the Canon leaving the shutter closed is a huge mistake imo, I would rather have dust get on the cover glass of my sensor than in between the shutter blades..But if I shot landscapes, street or portraits I can see the advantages of mirrorless, im not saying their all bad but as of now they are not for me..

@andrear9500

4 жыл бұрын

bassangler73 totally agree on the dust

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

So you are completely right as it stands but mirrorless cameras don't HAVE to be less rugged with worse AF, and have dust issues. Canon's EOS R already has a sensor cover, Sony's 3 year old A9 has better AF than a DSLR in 90% of cases, and the Z cameras have great build as do plenty of Panasonics and Olympus mirrorless cameras. All someone has to do is build it all in a single body...let's see how long that takes

@renestaempfli1071

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Smith seems to be able to capture beautiful pictures with the A9. 😉

Good review 👍😊....

A tilt screen would be welcome, especially for shooting low or as you mentioned overhead...For those who say tilt and flip screens are easily damaged, go to your camera store and look at the build quality of the D500 screen...Nikon is suppose to replace the D850 with a new DSLR as well as the D750 and D7500...That is rumor....If thats true I do not understand why the same article stated that there was no replacement coming for the D500...thats is one of the best wildlife camera's made! Im waiting on them to drop to $1299 and im going to buy at least 1 maybe 2..

Why the D6 is the right choice for Nikon now? Because us pros are just now thinking about replacing our D4s (D5 mostly got skipped as it wasn’t much of an upgrade over the D4s) and mirrorless STILL isn’t quite where we need it to be just yet. The changeover on the pro end (if pro body’s go fully mirrorless after the D6), will be at the end of the lifespan of the D6. Hopefully by then the eco-system of mirrorless lenses in Sony and Nikon will be competent and complete 🤪😂

I suspect the D6's minimum improvements are aimed at the accredited photographers for the Olympics 2020 and secondary at the existing D3, D4 and D5 owners. Being able to serve by Nikon Professional Service (NPS) can be just as important as the new specifications. Something that isn't important to an average photographer. Unless its sale is beyond the expectation, the day of a D? series can be numbered (although Nikon still produces and sells the F6 SLR). Nikon had been royal to the Nikonians owing F mount lenses for too long and the Z mount cameras & lenses will give Nikon more rooms to maneuver. Although its dependence on outside source(s) for sensors & electronics and smaller in company size can restrict Nikon's growth in today's marketplace. Given the many other choices available today, the D6 may no longer be the preferred camera for sports, wildlife, pro uses, etc. for some people as in the past, but rather a camera for the "failure is not an option" without buying new lenses, jobs or projects. A heavy duty camera that is suitable for almost every situation (war coverage, in a cold or harsh environment, etc.) and with a wide range of lens selection to support them. If one thinks it is an overkill in our normal lives, then imagine as a citizen and photographer at the sudden HK protests or Dorian at its worst.

Yeah, most of the photography I love doing are within environments most people would HATE shooting in...snow storms, rain, bad weather, ocean spray...sand and dirt blowing around, etc. I haven't handled ANY mirrorless body from any manufacturer yet that I would feel confident about bringing out into those kinds of conditions and expect to hold up like a D4, D5, D850, D1x, and so forth. No way. I'd imagine that a mirrorless camera in a pro-body like one of those might be even slightly more durable, with no moving mirror assembly to worry about...but nobody's made such a thing yet. At any rate, yes: mirrorless is the future, but there's thousands of photographers like myself who are still using DSLRs because mirrorless isn't quite where we want it to be yet. Additionally, if you have 10's of thousands of dollars invested in lenses either as an individual or as an agency, it's harder to say "Lets go mirrorless!" for a variety of reasons. I'll be sticking with my DSLRs for at least a few more years, no doubt. That doesn't mean I'm sour on mirrorless by any means...but I can also see why Nikon is giving Professionals a D-body DSLR in the D6 and why it makes sense to do so.

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absolutely .. id have one tommorow if i hadnt bought 2 d850s and new lenses ( business) the d5 was bullet proof super tough beast .. sadly i needed more pixels . but love the solid build quality .

Iceland was dope. I went in 2017. You'll love it but the food is so expensive!

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!! Having a tough time finding reasonably priced places to stay in the south too

@455LT1

4 жыл бұрын

@@learningcameras We stayed at the Kerno Apartments. Nice and comfy place in Reykjavik. We drove everywhere from there (Golden Circle). I hope to go back to see more of the island.

@zaf9834

4 жыл бұрын

Roughy how much did your trip cost

@455LT1

4 жыл бұрын

@@zaf9834 I booked everything separately. I booked the apartment for about $176 night. Flights from Washington Dulles were $472 r/t on Iceland Air. If you know how to drive a stick, it will cost you much less. We had a Dacia Duster diesel six speed 4x4 SUV. It cost us 76 euro a day from Lava Auto. Fueling back up is VERY expensive but diesels have great fuel efficiency. Hope this helped!

@455LT1

4 жыл бұрын

Also, make sure you go to Grotta Lighthouse to try to capture the Northlern Lights. We saw them on our first night!

Well, I saw this coming, theres no doubt about the the years and years of expertise of Canon and Nikon in the construction of mechanical cameras, in engineer it's a say "more moving parts means more posibilites to something goes wrong"! DSLR is a cassette player, can't beat technology, this was a Nikon desperate move just to say "don't move to Sony, just wait a little more longer for this camera!" Obviously because the release of the Sony aR IV and very probably of the aR 9 ii

Dan you are too logical and sensible about all this but I've got it in my head my next wildlife cam is mirrorless. I think when we see the A9mk2 it will be too overwhelming to want to throw large amounts of cash on a dead end Nikon D6 line however great it is compared to the old one.

@bassangler73

4 жыл бұрын

Have you considered a D850?

Agree with almost all you said. The lenses are the biggest thing. There is a huge installed base of professional shooters out there, and that really matters. I have a foot in both worlds with a Nikon DSLR and a Fujifilm mirrorless system. They do different things well. At least for now, I cannot give up all the excellent (and expensive) long lens glass I invested in with Nikon, especially with no real good alternatives in the mirrorless world. Even if I could, I would not. It just doesn’t make sense in the business model imposed by having to make your equipment not only pay for itself, but to be PROFITABLE. Professional photographers just wont do this if they are producing good, saleable images with their present equipment. Considering that 50% of the final image is now created in post processing, the hardware is less of the profit equation than it used to be.

It might make sense for both Canon and Nikon to keep making the flagship DSLRs for another few years, hopefully at least two more generations. They can't kill off their best pro DSLRs without a top notch mirrorless, and the a9 will keep improving. Mirror or no mirror, what matters is that you have the best flagship in the industry. And the a9 can't compete with the Canon and Nikon in the real world where you can't fail.

I have the D5 and a D850 and added a Z7 to the mix. I have an old D4 sitting around too. They are built tough but I did have to send in my D5 for a new focus module under warranty. That said the D5 is a great camera that never let me know bu tit is the last D I will buy unless they make them mirrorless. My glass collection is why I am not shooting the A9 now. I do not think the upgrade not he A9 was as big as expected. I have shot head to head with a sony artisan and we posted the video on tube as well. This was before the firmware upgrade but sadly the Z was not up to sony then. My D5 was and as such it is what I still reach for when I have to get the shot. I think that nikon missed the boat and their viability may be in as well. I was shooting with a friend who is also a professional and wow what his new iPhone will do is amazing even in low light. This is going to kill off the consumer bodies eventually and thus we have to many camera makers out there. Nikon is the smallest now of the big three and has no other division to lean on. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. In ten years who knows. I do know that after a string of Ds both single numbers and the 800 and 850 I have purchased my last DSLR and I am probably not alone.

DSLR has worked from the 50s/60s . improvmets has been made since then. Works for pros and amateours. When Nikon is ready they will have a mirrorless pro camera without compromises regarding to realible.

I don't have a D5, but I have an F5 which is similar tank like build quality. That is one thing the D6 will have going for it. If they put a D850 quality sensor in it, I think it will be a hell of a camera, and a good seller. I love DSLRs, and love Nikon. I have a D610, and when I can afford a 2nd hand one, I'm getting a D850. Don't need mirrorless....

Canon's shutter closing to protect the sensor is nice, but how much more of a pain is a damaged shutter to deal with than a dusty sensor?

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure how you would damage it. It's a secondary mechanism and inside the camera. I've pushed on it (for testing sake lol) and it's fine. I mean it won't survive a direct hit but it's way better than a damaged sensor. I've never had a broken shutter personally but I've had to send a camera in for sensor cleaning quite a few times

@bencushwa8902

4 жыл бұрын

@@learningcameras Fair point actually. Anything likely to damage a closed shutter would just as likely damage the sensor behind it.

@MikedieONE

4 жыл бұрын

Why would it hit the sensor when the shutter is infront of it. its not like the shutter is glas and shatters? if its only a little "hit", the shutter may could be ok.. but a tiny little scratch on the sensor and its trash. way more expensive to replace than a shutter.

It's the person behind the camera that matters . This gentle man talks a lot of sense about cameras , not like some of the children who get sucked in on this site with features and useless toys.

Wonder if the 'usable' dynamic range in the new D6 will be better that the D850? The one thing that Canon and Nikon don't brag about especially where in the case of Nikon there has been no notable increase since the D800 as far back as 2012. Canon will probably be the same with their equivalent 5D thingy. You don't and won't hear much about that in the adverts!

Thank's for someone finally not just saying DSLR's is worth nothing anymore and no one should use DSLR's anymore it is history. Well it's presence. Not future. DSLR's still works in 2019. We aren't in the future yet. Good video.

Dan Watson, I have probably aired some of my views enough, but let me say a few things here. I am a retired person who started serious photography with some of the early Nikon film cameras. Right now, I am doing bird photography with an A9 paired with a 100-400mm f/5.6-63 Sony zoom and a D850 with a 500mm f/4 Nikon prime. OK, perhaps a very small segment of the market, but I don't know... First, a very small point. If you start talking about "zee 6es" and "dee 6es", I literally can't tell the difference. I know that Jared gets mad, but perhaps you should call Nikon mirrorless cameras "zed 6" and "zed 7". As an older person (with disposable income!) I have a few limitations. First, I can't wait literally years for delivery on new lenses. Luckily I didn't order that really nifty Sony 400mm f/2.8. I will likely have been cremated before my inheritors finally got delivery. I understand that Nikon is unlikely to even remotely meet demand for their nifty phase-Fresnel 500mm. I suspect that if you are a pro with actual customers, they are also unlikely to be willing to wait months and months for delivery so you can get on with your work. I loved your picture of all those photographers chimping with their camera rigs on a nice gray day in the UK. Sorry, but using the rear screen on anything other than a tripod setup for a completely static subject is no fun and certainly not an example of "good ergonomics". For a sports or wildlife photographer, try to take pictures with your camera held at arm's length in front of you. Try it with a 600mm prime. In fact, if you are NOT in the UK and have strategically placed yourself to get good light, you are likely to have full sunlight shining on your rear screen. Again, if you have a good tripod and a totally inert subject then you can use one of your hands to put a Hoodman between your eye and the screen, but really this is not a good user interface. I am REALLY fascinated about your claims that you can use some sort of super-EVF pluggable into the hot shoe. Now THAT would be interesting! Again, thanks for the insights. I will now click "subscribe".

My DSLR days have long gone. I also prefere a detachable grip on a smaller body. The D6 will no doupt be a good camera. But so is the A9 for sports and wildlife.

*I think the D6 only really matters to Nikon and DSLR die-hards.* Of course I'm exaggerating a bit. I've had the D3, D4 and D5. I recently *upgraded* (IMHO) to the Z6 and won't be returning to the bulky DX line. The only time I touch my D3/4/5/850 these days is when my mirrorless is already being used for a video production.

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but is that because of the format or because they suck in live view. I absolutely think the Z6 is better than a 4 year old DSLR but will it be better than what Nikon has for the D6

@RunNGunPhoto

4 жыл бұрын

@@learningcameras I'm very rarely ever shooting in live view, so that's not really a factor, for me at least. I care about price, size/weight/form and image quality.

I went to Iceland for 2 weeks and did 2500 km with my rental car. Made amazing pictures but I need to go back...

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!! I'm only there for a week so mostly just hitting up the western half

Imo its specs should bridge those pro users towards mirrorless in 5 years by letting them savour the taste of mirrorless. Otherwise why would the upgrade from a d5 be worth? Would a pro get more money or fame? Adding those features you mentioned could attract upgraders from lower models than D5

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

I think every photographer would upgrade if they could shoot silent, could put the camera in live view and tilt the screen down to shoot over peoples heads, have solid video, and all this in addition to higher burst rates, more MP, better high ISO noise, and whatever other improvements Nikon will almost certainly offer

A d5 or the canon 1dxii are top of the line for sport shooting and wild life.capable of do it just fine. No need of a better camera for the olimpics. To do anything else than wild life and sports much cheaper cameras will do better and at a fraction of the price. 6k+ cameras dont make much sensein how cameras are evolving. A couple of years back if you wanted 4k just the 1dxii. Now many cameras do. Theybuse to be best at everything now os a small niche those big dslr.

Why don't the camera manufacturers put a shelter in front of the sensor, exposing the shutter to the dust I don't think is that such a good idea neither. I remember on the Mamiya film cameras, there is a curtain blocking the film when changing lenses. Perhaps because of the body size, or maybe it's not worth it, the sensor is not that fragile as we thought.

The only sony camera that kinda not really matters to me is the a7s MK 3. Where is it?

Yes, and more. Sony ergonomics are terrible, I miss my Nikon D4s so much when shooting on my Sony a 73 at times. I thought that I could ignore the ergonomics in favor of all the features but I tell you what, the immediacy and ergonomics make a difference. Last photo shoot I was on a D750 and my A7iii, and this just confirmed again that mirrorless needs to move a bit towards what a DSLR is in certain aspects, and then we’d be set. You didn’t mention ibis at all, it’s funny because on a DSLR there’s so much more weight and better ergonomics in a lot of ways you don’t need ibis as much(unless you get into big lenses). On a small tiny little plastic body, it’s so light and twitchy you need the ibis to help you keep it steady. Weight is always perceived as a negative but sometimes I don’t think that holds true.

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Only reason I didn't mention IBIS is that the 3 types of photographers who generally can't gain from ibis are sports, wildlife, and photojournalist photographers which is the main audience of the D6. Not that it wouldn't hurt to have it but I think IBIS isn't as big of a gain for these photographers especially because virtually every long lens has lens stabilization. I've seen IBIS destroy footage when panning so it's probably something they would disable. For me personally though, I love having IBIS but I'd be fine giving it up on a D6.

If the D6 is a mirrorless camera, they are gonna sell many. If it's another DSLR, they might as well close the shop now.

I don’t know why but I’ll peak the a9ii all the way📷😉

2.35 Did you really say - being able to shoot 20 fps without any mirrorless black out? Aside from that, D6 & D7 will probably be hybrids, just add an EVF into a DSLR & you get the idea for a couple of generations, don't confuse pro spec cameras with pedigree, for consumer electronics, pro cameras will drop the mirror when Nikon & Canon say so.

It will be the camera that most shooters can not afford.

@DJLazinator

4 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Mills they need to make a Z8, all the pro features of the D850, but mirrorless. -and under $3,500.

I think that Nikon is releasing the D6 as it’s last DSLR. They will throw as many bells and whistles as they can. It was released at the beginning of 2016. So 2020 has been four years. There are hundreds of lenses out for F mount and very few for the Z6 and z7. Let’s bring up the olympics.. Pro photographers need a series of lenses for the job. They’ve invested in glass and won’t want adapters for these lenses shooting sports with a mirrorless camera. I do think that Nikon will release a pro mirrorless to add to the Z series. Nikon will add to the Z series with DX versions so users of cropped sensor cameras can use their existing lenses with a new mirrorless. Circulated discussions on line is Nikon is dropping the 3000 series and 5000 series. Any Pro Nikon Full frame mirrorless is going to rival Canon and. be directly pointed at Sony

mirrorless blackout?

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Prob meant to say mirror blackout lol

@bensslightnature

4 жыл бұрын

@@learningcameras No! you meant what you said don't deny it! haha!

i dont usually comment on youtube but i just wanted to say that id rather have a dslr rather than a mirrorless, it's fun to have the evf on a mirrorless but the only thing i enjoyed about the mirrorless is the focus peaking while looking at the evf and thats it, i hate the ergonomics of my a7rii with a very huge 35mm f1.4 glass, its digging into my knuckles when im using it, in my opinion, mirrorless is just a very hype product, no matter your gear is, it still depend on your skills even if you are using film, btw, i own a d7500 and a7rii and im planning to buy a d850 because i dont like the sony, it's not about kissing the ass of nikon or just being a loyalist to a brand, but i just feel like we are not still there when it comes to the technology of mirrorless, its just a camera, it does the same thing, takes pictures and thats it, the reason why most people use it for video is because they want a 2 in 1 package, after watching reviews of the a7riii and d850, the d850 is still superior in focusing than the sony, even the a9 has focusing problems when compared to the D5

@alandickson1629

4 жыл бұрын

The A7 series and A9 have very poor grips, everyone knows that. Thus the body change in the A7Riv. Holding a A9 with a 500mm will be torture to your hand. No doubt Sony will put the A9ii in the A7Riv body

For maybe 95% of all camera buyers, this camera is too expensive, too heavy or not suitable. It is the last steam engine.

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure Nikon would be thrilled if they sold 5% of photographers a D6! Yes, this is a small market kind of like a Ford F350. It's built specifically for a small group of people

If the D6 is just the same old, same old, conventional DSLR technology without a live view with great AF and silent shooting, I will just wait until they release the Z series pro sports body.

@paulbreedveld4921

4 жыл бұрын

My D850 dslr does have silent shooting and so will have the D6. I prefer an OVF because I spend a lot.of time looking through the viewfinder to make the perfect composition. It.foes not take any battery power and an OVF is much cleaner than an EVF which tends to be overcrowded with info.

@stanobert3475

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulbreedveld4921 Yes, I prefer the viewfinder also. Nikon can create a quiet shutter if they put their minds to it. I also prefer the image preview with the Z6 but a DSLR with an ultra quiet shutter would work for me.

@paulbreedveld4921

4 жыл бұрын

@@stanobert3475 the d850 has a quiet shutter mode in which there is no shutter sound at all. Very nice! But it does not work at very fast shutter speeds - still a need for a mechanical shutter then.

@stanobert3475

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulbreedveld4921 Yes, I meant a mechanical shutter like the quiet Nikon D810. The electronic shutter on my Z cameras create obnoxious banding.

It is the perfect camera for sports and wildlife...again the mirorless vs dslr war..yes mirorless is the future...but...at this point for sports and wildlife d5 and 1dx are the way to go..sony a9 is very good but only if you carry a second body in case the first one fails..i shoot my d850 for landscapes and mirorless for portraits...every camera has its strengths and weaknesses...go out and take some pictures... ...

@paulbreedveld4921

4 жыл бұрын

I have a D850 as well and I do not see why mirrorless would be the future.

@likandrosmar

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulbreedveld4921 the reasons are..weight saving, ibis , no af tuning, full af points coverage ,eye af, no need to recompose, shorter flange distance helps manufacturers to build better optics...so yes it is the future...but it is not there yet..in one or two years it will be...i still prefere dslrs though but not for long..imagine fuji gfx to introduce a new medium format camera dslr...wouldnt that be strange...so yes it is the future..because they dont intend to keep making dslrs anymore..

@likandrosmar

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulbreedveld4921 i forget two more...focus peaking and better video capabilities

@likandrosmar

4 жыл бұрын

I dont disagree with you..i mainly shot landscape and i love my dslr..i just say that companies slowly kill dslrs line up and make mirorless..the main advantage of mirorless is eye af for portraits...

@paulbreedveld4921

4 жыл бұрын

Both DSLRs and Mirrorless are heavy and bulky with attached lens - no big difference. The real competition for both systems is the smartphone. With a DSLR you get a beautiful viewfinder image for free, even when the camera is off. Never a black viewfinder, never out of batteries, very large advantage. Image quality is identical, most lenses will have equal designs for both systems; only for very wide angles mirrorless lenses can be made more compact. I think the future will only be for mirrorless when their price is greatly reduced, offering still the same tank-like built quality and image quality as a professional DSLR. If the prices will stay similar then both systems will remain.

@ 11:10 "Spray and Pray"

@smilsmff

4 жыл бұрын

Can I just pull the Mirror off of the camera? is it attached perm?

Do you not think that all these manufacturers, be it Nikon, Canon, Sony and Fuji have the ranges and technology sorted out for certainly the next 4 or 5 years. They have the knowledge to utilise SSD micro drives, utilise Sim data cards etc into camera bodies. For example, Apple has just released iPhone 11 pro with 3 lenses. Top apple iphone, but no 5g yet, unlike Samsung. Why not? Because next year we will have the same iPhone but with 5G. Do you not think canon already has the PRO version of the R? But why release yet as they have the 1DX iii round the corner for the olympics. Nikon will release the D6 soon, they probably already have the D7 in testing phase for the 2024 olympics. It’s a never end consumerism circle really and unfortunately will all get sucked in lol

Imagine it being a hybrid... It will destroy the market

@obsidian00

4 жыл бұрын

Ismail Choudhry It really would...hence why NIKON won’t make it a hybrid...makes too much sense.

@inlocoparentis

4 жыл бұрын

@@obsidian00 I don't think that's why they wouldn't do it. Probably the thing that will prevent it from being a hybrid would be the bean counters. Nikon is NOWHERE near the size of Canon, or Sony. Nikon sticks STRICTLY to optics products. They make rifle scopes, some optician equipment, lenses, and cameras. Canon makes office equipment like office copiers, printers, and other electronics. And do I have to go into the breadth of what Sony's portfolio is? According to the numbers, Nikon's revenue for 2018 was $6.61B, Canon $35.79B, and Sony had $76.90B. Why this matters is that if Nikon has a bomb, they are less able to absorb that loss of revenue, and prestige. The fact that Nikon can hang with the likes of Sony, and Canon, and compete on quality of products is a testament to how good those cameras really are.

@obsidian00

4 жыл бұрын

Duncan Brennan The fact remains that if they do not get the D6 all the way “right”...then they will slip into history as another “What If”...I sure hope not.

@inlocoparentis

4 жыл бұрын

@@obsidian00 You're absolutely correct, hence why they will play it relatively safe. DSLR autofocus is a strength for Nikon, it's been that way since the D2X and D2H. If they try to get too far out of their wheelhouse, it won't be what the talking heads want it to be. I fully expect them to play it safe, for their own sake. If they go out on a limb, it has to essentially be a quantum leap over where they're at right now. Given their financial situaiton, and the time until delivery, that may not be a good idea. We're looking at it from a photographer's point of view. We need to step out of the box and look at it from a business point of view.

A old comment found, copy-paste :A happy thought , maybe competly stupid..a Bulky D6 F-mount? , EVF no OVF at all, no mirror but a small transulent AF mirror on a small light weight carbonfiber arm that flips only for the AF-CAM module like a normal DSLR has(20fps possible becouse of the light weigt and its shorter arm then the usual fullftame mirror dimensions and almost silent), simultaneously the on-senor AF system can "fill the gaps" in tracking calculations when the AF flipping mirror is up, 2 AF systems for tracking,it can masure the distance between background(on sensor AF) and subject (cam module)when the AF systems are activated, creating a short split second 3D depth scan proces, grabbing the wished subject instantly instead of a some trees in the back that draws the unwished attention , the on sensor AF for video(AF mirror up), if that could be technical possible, Nikon will have instandly on release the (semi mirrorless) system with the most lenses, the needed powerful DSLR AF system for sports..and in the mirrorless game at te same time. the Z's are not ready yet and it can buy some time for developing a Z-pro camera, keeping the pro-customers on board ... who knows what the future brings.. we will wait and see.. exiting times !! How to point Nikon in this winning configuration ?

A hybrid viewfinder would be a game changer that will mess up Sony. Mirrorless features in a real camera body with access to all that good glass. And being able to switch to dslr mode when you need it.

You were right about the Sony build quality tbe D6 will be going strong in 20 years time the Sony won't!

@dmlchannel3262

4 жыл бұрын

For combat photographers, that's a true statement. For 99.5% of the other photographers , nope.

@RaySweeting

4 жыл бұрын

@@dmlchannel3262 not so had a Sony AR at work failed within 18 months. Have an old Nikon 70s still going strong 16 years later.

wow Dan this is really a bit of a rant isnt it?// my Z7's auto focus is better than my D5 for certain situations ....... Not sure if that statement about Nikons mirrorless autofocus is not as good as the D5 is really correct. Also you say Nikons past dslrs live view feature is unusable!!! what the heck...... You need too compare too what is on similar cameras at the time.. come on,, sure the D850's live view isnt the greatest NOW compared too Z7 but hell the D850 came out 2017..... Some of your comments are way way off!

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

I'm comparing the D850 live view autofocus to virtually any other non Nikon camera like the Canon 5D Mark IV, Sony A7RII, some fuji camera...anything. The problem is until the Z7, nikon didn't have phase detection af in live view so they just were not good. Now they do and I'm sure they will add it to the dslrs in the same way Canon adds dual pixel AF to every dslr and even cinema camera.

OMG, did you hear that, he's got seven or eight bodies back there! Somebody call the police! 😋😊

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, photographery terms in general. We shoot people all the time

No reason for Nikon not to release a D6..pros with a ton of glass won't change system to Sony just to get some better specs which in real life offer very little.

Please, next time you see JAred Po-lin fro-knows-pho-tos wrestle him to the ground and explain all this to him.

A lot of what you talk about is not relevant to my ability to take the photographs I want to take. As a metaphor, I don't need to buy a Ferrari to have a really great driving experience. I have no need, want or desire to change to mirrorless from my dslr system. I also really like the way my dslr feels in my hand. As an end note,.... video irrelevant

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

If you are in a situation where you are shooting blindly over your head with a DSLR to try to shoot over people's heads and I show up next to you with a mirrorless camera with great live view and a flip screen and subject tracking where I just tap on the subject and the camera keeps their eye in focus, now is that irrelevant to your ability to take a photograph? The better mirrorless tech gets, the less reason there is to keep the mirror

Nikon D6 when you won’t get a second chance to get the shot and getting the shot is your job.

Dslr reliability is much more than the mirroless

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily, a DSLR has much more wear and tear parts. The My Nikon D600 was recalled and discontinued because of shutters and mirror issues. If that is ever true, it's only because a manufacturer built a bad camera that happened to be mirrorless

This camera is for professional sports and action photographers! No one else. Nobody's going to be lugging this thing up a mountain side to get a sunset picture or telling a bride to move a little to the left so they can get the whole family in the picture. Pro's are only concerned about how durable it is and how fast and accurate the continuous auto focus is. 20 frames per second is an amateur spec. If a pro can't get the photo with 6 or 7 fps they should look for another job. Sony cannot match the durability and ergonomics, so at this point it will never be a pro camera supplier.

This is for all people speakin' that DSLR are dead. A big manufacture like NIKON don't built a new camera like that if the era is at the end...

Something else will come out in the future.

Big surprise Nikon D6 is mirrorless lol jk.

Please see your DSLRs online for a huge discount!!.. PLEASE!!! Mirrorless is the FUTURE!!! So PLEASE sell your DSLRs online.. Remember DSLRs are worthless now so price accordingly!

Dan, Dan, Dan this is Nikon you're talking about... There is NO WAY Nikon is going to offer all the features you're talking about. It's just not in their DNA. Also, it would be way too expensive for them to add all these features into a dead series of cameras. The D6 is going to be a typical sensor update with minor upgrades to AF performance, etc. Nothing more. As far as seriously considering this camera and Nikons old klunky low resolution DSLR lenses that can't keep up with modern Hi Rez Mirrorless cameras, it's bad advice. The D5/6 cameras are EXTREMELY expensive and specialized series of cameras that are a poor match for most photographers.

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

I actually would have agreed with you 2 years ago but now Nikon has the tech thanks to the Z series to integrate everything I'm talking about. It's note just a wish list anymore. I'd be OK with the same on sensor phase detection as the Z (Canon does dual pixel on dslrs and mirrorless) and that combined with the crazy processors could be awesome.

@mallred4347

4 жыл бұрын

@@learningcameras Hi Dan, some of my post was meant to be humorous, but I still think I'm correct for the most part. I don't think Nikon has the $ to develop a crazy D6 hybrid camera. Also, if I were a Nikon customer, I would rather see them spend their R&D budget on improving the AF performance and internal processing capability of their mirrorless cameras (the only areas where they're substantially behind Sony) and accelerate S Line lens production. I would really like to see them put out a Z8 and a battery grip (I know asking for a lot). If they were going to put out some kind of awesome hybrid DSLR, I would personally vote they do it in a downsized/physically smaller/more portable D850 chassis. I think they would sell many more at this price point versus the D5s. Thoughts on D6 vs 850 Hybrid?

Sigh I agree with nearly all of your points here til you said "...might be the last d"x" of this high end series" Is it necessary to say that? Its rubbish and annoying if i have tbh. Trying to appease mirrorless fanboys? I will confidently say this - It's not. There will be d7, d8, d9 and d10 and all of them will be dslrs. Dslr will not go away at least in a couple of decades or so, not in a few years like most of you here in youtube think. No hybrid, no mirroless, pure all the way dslr If the D"x" series turn into mirrorless it will not be call a "D", it will be call something else (probably still call the "Z") Also im confident that nikon will release other dslr series in the future like d860, d760 (which im looking foward to the most) and so on...(plus together in conjunction with other mirrorless series) Ps: Before most of you lot think of me being some sort of an old fart who still stuck in the past and doesnt like change, well, you got it wrong then. Im still in the (late)30s and still using the d750 as my main camera (for stills) paired up together with the z6 (mainly for videos). With that Im so looking foward with what nikon can bring to the table in the future for both dslrs AND the mirrorless. Pps Nikon z6 is overall more superior than the A9. That autofocus? Its overated imo

@learningcameras

4 жыл бұрын

Sony used to have a translucent mirror camera (A99) that went away when mirrorless tech became better than that tech. Once Nikons on sensor phase detection becomes better than using a separate system reflecting from a mirror, why even have a mirror? Without the mirror we can get ibis, eye AF, and focusing in the corners. You can already make a stellar EVF. Nikon absolutely will (and should) continue the body style but I can't think of a reason to keep a mirror for years. Plus there is faster communication and advantages with the new Z mount so any F Mount DSLR would likely be at a disadvantage in 2-4 years. Mirrorless doesn't have to be small and light, they can literally pull the mirror from the D6, fill the space with an in body stabilization system, and then replace the viewfinder with an electronic one for the D7 most likely called the Z9

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