This is just a symptom of the death of the current cable TV system. Consumers are tired of the same old take it or leave it system, and want an ala carte system. Great segment Q

@aaronclay4665

Ай бұрын

It's not.... it's the nfl protecting its tv partners , ( because most of there money comes from TV deals and the TV stations would negotiate down the price for the future, and this way only ppl who have a lot of money who don't care will buy ticket) TV for live sports will always be there....but the short sightedness of the nfl is that ppl like me who has not had cable for 20+ years will just pirate the games I want to watch cuz I'm not paying 400 bucks just to watch and get blacked out of games... If they just lower it to 100, it be fine

@doctj04

Ай бұрын

Sunday ticket was never on Cable.

@wolfc7280

Ай бұрын

@@doctj04 I'm talking about the reason why they're keeping the price high to protect legacy media.

To pay $400-$500 to see my team's 17 games is absurd.

@Calibrownsfan

Ай бұрын

single game $4.99 , one team whole season $39.99 NFL would make a lot of money selling games like this.

Im a native from the Cleveland area who loves in NC. Im a Browns fan and have absolutley no interest in the local teams. This gatekeeping needs to end. Why do they think the average fan is interested in watching any other team than their own?

The fact Columbus is "out of the local range" for the Browns is ridiculous

@robtintelnot9107

Ай бұрын

Yup. It sucks when we get the Bengals.

@jonporter1233

Ай бұрын

Haha, what, for real!?

@starapton5374

Ай бұрын

Really? I lived in between Dayton and Cincy for 24 years. The Browns were the in market team for Dayton. That’s how I was able to watch the Browns up until halfway through last season.

@robtintelnot9107

Ай бұрын

@@jonporter1233 We're in between Clev and Cincy. If both teams are scheduled at 1pm on CBS it's a coin toss for what game we get.

@ATVoffroad

Ай бұрын

I live in toldeo if it’s blackout then I get the lions

I live an hour and fifteen minutes from browns stadium and an hour and a half from the steelers stadium. If both teams are playing at 1pm, I am forced to watch the steelers instead of the browns and there's no way around it

If nobody bought these ridiculous packages, the games would be free to watch. People will never wisen up to the fact that consumers set the prices on everything.

@daniellednik5931

Ай бұрын

All the fucked up things in life we experience we ALLOW to go on. If people didn’t have such a, “oh well, there is nothing I can do.” mentality. We would solve a lot of problems in our lives. If we would operate as a collective, we could take control back. So much fake division is pushed into our lives that we will never all be able to see eye to eye. Sad life.

@silkeden1

Ай бұрын

🔥 ☝

@MiraiKun5600

Ай бұрын

If nobody bought them they wouldn't exist and we'd only have in market games. Unless you sail the seven seas that is.

@WettoLoL

Ай бұрын

I’ve never given the nfl a dime r/piracy is always there for you

shoutout streameast and sportssurge 😂

This is honestly great news. I’d love to just buy a Browns package. Better than being stuck with the Panthers or the Ravens.

I only want to watch browns games. I don’t care about anybody else. I just want a package to pay for browns games

As a Browns fan who lives in Seattle, I have to pay for every out of market game. AND that includes nationally televised games that I watch on local TV.

The reasoning of "its so expensive the people will just watch cbs or fox" is so dumb. I didnt get Sunday Ticket last year because of the price and never just turned on a random game. I tuned in here or the browns app to follow the game I wanted to watch. I dont have enough free time to just watch a game im not invested in

I'm a lifelong Browns fan. I live in Ravens territory. I get to watch two Browns games a year plus whatever national games they draw. Aside from the occasional Sunday Night game I don't watch football on Sunday anymore because I don't care about the Commanders or the Ravens and I'm not paying $400 for Sunday Ticket. If they make it more a la carte and let me sign up for just the Browns I'll consider it.

Shout out to Dofusports

@emaristrong2265

Ай бұрын

What’s that

Former Clevelander and ibe resorted to using nfl plus its like $100. And you cant watch till games over😢. Si all Sunday i gotta avoid any scores

Streameast will forever be my goto 😂

@MrPloppy1

Ай бұрын

🏴‍☠️

As someone that has poured thousands at DirecTV for years, there could be a potential downside here. Those networks rely on those audiences to sell advertising to big agencies. The NFL relies on those Networks to shovel enormous piles of cash at them every year which more than anything else impacts the annual growth of the salary cap. If the salary cap stopped growing, or worse yet if it started getting lessened, it would be very bad for us (depending of course on how long it would take for this all to play out in court)

Thanks for the video, Bro, I had totally forgotten about this case. There ought to be another suit: when you buy Sunday Ticket, they tell you you're buying the whole season. Then they schedule a game on Friday, and tell you you don't get that game unless you buy another streaming service. Ridiculous!

Living in the south I have loved Sunday ticket and never missed a Browns game. This year early pay of $250 for the year is probably what I would pay going to a bar for 2-3 games. I love it.

@wesdabrownsfan

Ай бұрын

Deadass!!!

@isaacarndt179

Ай бұрын

Same. Three homies and I split the cost and we all get the games

@seanksg

Ай бұрын

It just sucks to have to pay for KZread tv as well. I only get KZread tv during the season to save on cost, so the discount for buying early is erased by 4 months of KZread tv that I don’t want.

@maximusmanning1978

Ай бұрын

@@seanksgidk if this is only with the student discount but I was able to buy just Sunday ticket and use it through KZread and not KZread tv.

@isaacarndt179

Ай бұрын

@@farplenorp nah it’s the family plan and they add your KZread account to the family and you have your own version

Funny this came up as I just cancelled my Sunday Ticket subscription last night, said reason for cancelling is it is too expensive and within hours I got an offer for $100 off. It is still sort of expensive and I wish I could just choose Browns games however I will watch the other AFC North teams often esp. when they play each other. Anyway I suggest everyone just cancel and wait for a discount offer. Worse case you do not get an offer then you can renew if you so choose. That has been my experience with all paid media - only time you get a decent price is when you threaten to cancel or are a new subscriber. They never give loyal customers deals so no sense in being loyal IMO.

The NFL however will appeal this decision and will try to take it up with the Supreme Court. Very interesting verdict indeed as it appeared for a bit that the judge wasn't going to allow this to get to a jury but hot damn! Edit: Florio did say that if the verdict stands and withstands all the appeals, the NFL would push the total fine to the 32 teams to pony up. Currently, the NFL is on the hook for $4.7 Billion but due to it being an antitrust violation, damages are tripled. NFL is currently on the hook for approximately $14.39 Billion or a shade under 450 million per team. Ooof

@987654321wormy

Ай бұрын

It's my understanding that interest is accrued on a civil lawsuit payout when appealed. If so the NFL better hope they win on appeal, they might pay even more if they lose.

YES! I'm an out-of-market Browns fan. I've been getting the NBA's game pass for several years now and I LOVE being able to watch the Cavs play on a regular basis. And it's cheap too, less than $100 for the season, it comes out to like $1.15 a game. I flat-out - REFUSE - to pay for the NFL's scam that is Sunday Ticket and I'm hoping they're now FORCED to fix this so a diehard, lifelong Browns fan can watch the games every weekend without being saddled with hundreds of dollars in TV bills.

The local teams should just come up with their own premium subscriptions if that’s the case. But they won’t, because “money SpongeBob, money” - Mr Krabs

Stuff like this is why I got a jailbroke Firestick. Gives me everything. No more out of market games. I do have to deal with a little buffering, but it's not that bad.

I'm active duty and am required to live 750 miles away from the browns local market. I honestly wouldn't mind paying the $400 a season to be guaranteed to see all the browns games, but it doesn't even have all of them! half the time they play at 1:00, and the chiefs (my local market team) hardly ever plays at 1. This forces local broadcasting networks to fill the slots the chiefs aren't playing in with any (seemingly) random game that's on. a lot of the time they won't put the browns on, but a non-zero amount of times, they do! and now I'm not only required to pay for sunday ticket, but I'm also required to have some sort of cable package (hope they have NFL games), plus peacock and whatever else they decide to put a game or two on. it's truly ridiculous. I just want to watch browns games.

The cost of the Sunday Ticket is actually higher than just the cost of the Ticket. If you don't have the service that they partner with, you have the additional cost of that initial service for the privilege of buying the Sunday Ticket.

I am a Browns fan living in Chicago. I rarely watch the local network NFL broadcast unless the Browns are on or the playoffs are on. I would love to be able to buy the Browns games only.

damn worst person you know made a great point. florio was spittin

Sunday ticket is $449.00. They had a 2 month special last spring for former directv Sunday ticket customers but that's gone now. It used to be 600 bucks when directv had it

Hopefully, they will find it illegal to blackout the local games as well. It forces people who buy the Sunday ticket to also purchase a local TV package, even if it’s to watch just one game, if/when their team plays a road game that is in their local market.

don't forget, if you are not a youtube TV subscriber you have to move to that horrible service just to GET the ticket available....

@makers721

Ай бұрын

youtube tv is the best

I stopped getting it when it went to KZread. I live in Texas and as a die hard browns fan it just got to expensive

As more games get broadcast on different days of the week and go to other streaming services it devalues the Sunday NFL Ticket package. This started to really piss me off when I had it through DirecTV since I was paying the same price and getting less games. I refuse to pay for it on KZread TV.

Totally unrelated, but this next QnColb talking about Bronny is gonna be fuckin fire

@k.r.thunder6401

Ай бұрын

I thought this too!!

Ya, I was blown away when I saw the $450 price tag. If I can't watch the Browns here in Carolina, I'll not watch any games.

We don't get all the Browns games in Columbus so I would love a single game option.

@BrowniethaDawg

Ай бұрын

I was able to watch every Browns game on youtube tv and I live in Columbus.

In my opinion, the worst thing about Sunday ticket, while out of market is how if the browns play on primetime you don't even get that game. You need an additional TV plan with the nflpackage or a NFL+ subscription what the heck Is that all about?

Good luck suing the NFL. This will never see the light of day. We'll be paying through our nose for the foreseeable future.

I live in Utah and have bought Sunday ticket for years to see the Browns. IT SUCKS!!! But stupid me spent the money every year because I didn't want to miss the turn around. Now that we're good, we have more nationally televized games, but not enough, so I keep paying the god awful price.

I’m a Browns fan that lived in Denver and I paid like $389 I think it was. I’m sure it’s more now. How ever much, it’s ridiculous.

Tried Sunday ticket last season. I’m in central WV. I canceled and got a full refund after the second time I missed an out of market game because Sunday ticket claimed it was an in market game. Ridiculous. Plus for all that money I would have only wound up with like 2 or 3 out of market games all season if Sunday ticket would have recognized properly when I was out of market. When you buy Sunday ticket you don’t even know how many out of market games you’ll even get for your team. I would really love $20 mo. For every browns game on the nfl+ platform (pick your team).

It's price gouging. I was an early adopter under a promotional deal many years ago. I was shocked when I saw what they were charging for the following year. Although I really enjoyed the service, l cancelled immediately. I would love to see a reasonably priced Sunday Ticket. If that had been available at the time I cancelled I would have continued to buy the service for all of these years.

BROWNS fan in Iowa here!

I take more of an issue with Sunday Ticket "every out of market game" false pretense. As a Browns fan living in NC with extensive work travel, frequently experience inability of watching a game in other parts of country which are also out of market. Last season alone non-nationally televised Browns games were not available on Sunday Ticket on two occasions in Vegas and DC when being televised locally in those cities. Browns were not playing local teams in each of those instances. Yes, Sunday Ticket has a high price. My personal justification not owning a TV is that I'd spent that much going out locally to watch those games through course of season and perhaps once a season have accompanying sound.

I live in CT and was thinking about getting the sunday ticket for this season. the past seasons ive been watching by other means but lately they have not been as reliable.

I just received my email to receive NFL Sunday Ticket for the 2024 season to renew at $449.00.

Fwiw, I live in Tampa Bay, I would love to listen to a radio broadcast.. that's also overly expensive! When I want to check in on the browns game I either go to a local bar, or I find someone in Cleveland who's being an amateur play by play guy

This is why I drive 5 minutes to my local bar to watch my team. Only time I ever leave the house too.

unfortunatlly i live 50 miles from tampa i cant even get local games. and time i would buy sunday ticket and utube tv se are looking at 500 dollars easily

Two things, one this will be a long fight for the simple fact of what you mention they do not want to have to reimburse for overcharging their customers and for two this is the reason why you have piracy and why piracy is such a big business

I hope the NFL ends up having to pay the whole $12Billion... what a rip-off... I am OUT...

@Calibrownsfan

Ай бұрын

the costs will eventually be passed down to the consumers. Ticket prices, concessions, parking, etc will all go up.

When I lived in AZ I had Sunday ticket and when I realized I'd paid about $12,000 over 10 years I cut the cable when I moved to Florida. I then watched the games with the space Coast Browns backers for games that weren't national. Now I'm in northern Utah living next to a cattle ranch with no bars or restaurants close and not a single Browns backers in the whole state. This would be big for me if I can just buy single games that aren't on national TV.

@omanguy

Ай бұрын

hurricane creek baby represent

@TheChamrod04

Ай бұрын

I'm in northern UT as well, we should start a backers group here! Or at least watch the games lol

My issue is I don't wanna watch another team I only watch the browns. If the browns aren't on im not watching kc or Baltimore or whatever. I live in Denver so I get bronco games but I don't watch them unless the browns play them

"Fans without a KZread TV plan can pay four payments of $112.25 - $449 in all - to get NFL Sunday Ticket for the 2024 season."

I'd be willing to pay $160 a year... Just for Cleveland Browns witch is $10 a game

It's also ridiculous that I can't watch the Browns in the EU and can only listen to Jimmy D. I love Jimmy D, but would love to watch as well.

Thank you for making a video on this Q

If your all pissed off buy a pirate box. Red zone is GREAT.

Crackstreams or methstreams brother. Ffrrreeeee man screw the system they hate on us every year.

@MrPloppy1

Ай бұрын

Yo ho, yo ho! 🏴‍☠️ Only thing wrong with going that route is buffering issues that seem to happen at crucial points of the game… allegedly… someone once told me… theoretically… 😬

My take is if you buy the Sunday ticket you should get all the games including the Super Bowl. Last year Miami and KC played on the NBC or CBS streaming channel exclusively for a playoff game nobody could watch it even NFL Sunday ticket subscribers were denied access. But my point being is if I pay for the season of football the season is not over officially until the championship game is over. I should be able to watch all the games regardless who broadcast or streams them on You Tube Sunday Ticket I paid for all the games even Amazon games thus the high price. The thing that really pisses me off is that I was working out of town during the 49ers game last year and the NFL blocked me on i heart radio from listening to the game on my local station that carried the game. They literally said that if you were trying to listen to the Browns game from a streaming service like i heart radio you will not be able to hear it!!!

I have to utilize the internet to watch the Browns every season in Seattle.. hopefully the result of this is a fan-friendly package that becomes available. If not, I’ll just keep it movin’ down the Stream 🌊

I truly support this lawsuit as a Browns fan and a Sunday NFL Ticket from its infancy stage. The only good thing was having the Ticket when the Browns really sucked I switched games by halftime. Then I would watch the best game

The notion that an out of market fan should just watch what we give them is just insane. If I want to watch Browns vs Ravens, but the game I’m given is Broncos vs Raiders, that’s bs. How do they not understand how fans think? The product is good, it’s not so good I’ll be happy to just watch whoever. Fans have a “rooting interest” and that rooting interest isn’t equal for all teams.

In steeler country, (southeast of city) would Love to be able to select "My" team to watch.

You don't even get every game. If it's a prime time game or a game being aired in your market say a 4pm game or your team happens to be playing whoever is local to your current location the game is blacked out on Sunday ticket. I paid for Sunday ticket last year and I think out of the 17 game season only 10 or 11 ended up being on Sunday ticket.

Jury nullification wouldn't make sense as there is clearly collusiin and price fixing.

I never understood the logic in any of this. If I get Sunday Ticket I’m still watching the CBS or Fox local broadcast. Why would they care if it thru Sunday Ticket. I just got the email yesterday. $449 to renew this year. Smh

Here’s the real problem that Cable and the NFL don’t realize - I’m not going to pay for cable television to watch the local game if the Browns aren’t involved. In any given season, unless my team is on prime time, the odds of me watching a cable TV game is slim. It’s free and costs less of my time to catch the highlights on KZread. So the fact of the matter is, because Sunday Ticket is $400, I’m not watching games anyways if it’s not free or cheap, and cable tv providers don’t get my viewership anyways.

My problem has been I moved to Cincinnati I want to watch the browns I get about 12-13 games without Sunday ticket but if I want to watch the other 4-5 I gotta pay all season. Also I don’t know for sure right now if it is only 8 games I will get locally, it’s likely 12-13 🤷🏼‍♂️

I don’t mind paying for the ticket but with how much it is you should be able to make a custom feed of the 4 games you want to watch. For 400 dollars you should be able to at least do that

Regarding the salary cap, it will likely not decrease it but i can see it slowing the growth of it as a hidden effect to it

If the NFL was smart, they'd start streaming service deals with the option for added out of market games. Example...I live near Seattle but am a Browns fan from Cleveland....Go East 117th St!!! Unless the Seahawks are playing the Browns and/or the Browns play primetime...I get zero access to watch them...but would pay for that option and as an added treat, I may purchase a package to see single or monthly games from my division rivals because... Go Browns!!!!

They are doing the same thing with Madden. If they offered just "Madden" that you buy once and can buy each season to get updated and play through like some games battle passes.

Why did it take 30 years to catch this?

I dont have any cable and was paying for cbs and AND paramount two different streaming services kust to catch local browns games and that doesnt even cover all of them been using 🏴‍☠️ for a while now but would gladly pay for a browns package

Awesome video, you explained it perfectly

If you don’t think the player market is gonna go down after this. that salary cap is not going up next yr that’s all I’m saying.

I was thinking about getting Sunday ticket but I read the fine print and maybe I misunderstood but from what I read it's like you only get out of market games and you can only watch live games ie you would've had to have woken up by 7am est to watch those Germany games; again maybe I misunderstood but if not then yeah its only for die hard of die hards because taking the money out of it you're paying for all games (minus local market ones) but you're only allowed to look at 2 per week (12 and 3 o clock games). Hopefully I misunderstood because otherwise it's a complete ripoff

Q, this is all nice, but how will this effect the salary cap going forward. Will it effect the Browns?

I've never gotten NFL Sunday ticket before but was interested for this upcoming season. So am I still going to be able to get Sunday ticket? Will this law suit thing mean it'll be cheaper? So should I wait to get it? Lol

That’s crazy because in Canada we get every single game and anything nfl broadcasted on DAZN for 30$ cad (about 21$ usd) a month

@jacobcoey9918

Ай бұрын

That’s ridiculous that our neighbors to the north is offered exactly what we want for the price we want but we Americans can not get it! 😡

This guy is dead wrong. You don't want this to be a significant penalty to the NFL. The NFL did nothing wrong.

The threats and payoffs are heating up that judge’s inbox already

Hey Q, do you think the NFL salary cap could be affected if this suit goes through?

I remember when I had Sunday ticket they blackout rule on Sunday u are not getting every game that's a fact

Im like an hour out of market to see The Browns games. Always been a bummer

I just paid for this...dammit man 😅😅😅😅

Shout out to the eastern streaming website. Iykyk 👀

I pay $80 a YEAR for NFL+. Browns fan in Winslow Az

@aaronclay4665

Ай бұрын

That's way to much... all Sunday games are on ticket for 400 a season... 80 for one team us way over priced... it should ve 25ish for the season

@ronaldbritton9705

Ай бұрын

​@aaronclay4665 not one game all the games all teams some live some later

I'm in New England how do you think I feel?

How does this effect the salary cap in the future though

Sometimes I can't even get a national game in Utah if the broncos are playing at that time

Well maybe it’s not quite the same but I have to pay KZread tv for all the channels on the base plan just to watch the Browns. I literally only have it for that. But I don’t have an option to just pay for the channels. I need to watch the Browns games I have to pay for all of them. And it like $70 a month that’s not a lot cheaper than just gettin NFL ticket. And if NFL ticket was $120 Quincy, then I wouldn’t need to pay $70 a month for youtube tv. That would be awesome.

NFL lower the price to 129..99 u know much more money they would make

Q how you feeling about the Cavs signing DJ Burns??

It will be $449 for this coming year in CA!

NFL should do what NCAA march madness basketball did have every game on TV NCAA tournament

College Student gets it for $120 right now

Can't wait to watch my favorite 7-10 Browns

meanwhile Peacock

$349 damn it