Why the Katy Perry/Flame lawsuit makes no sense

Katy Perry just lost a $2.8 million dollar court case against Christian rapper Flame. The case hinged on the testimony of the plaintiff’s expert musicologist Todd Decker.
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  • @sergiovela7686
    @sergiovela76864 жыл бұрын

    He didn't throw shade. He threw the whole palm tree at Todd Decker

  • @Stalker-fm1wn

    @Stalker-fm1wn

    4 жыл бұрын

    yes he did

  • @holymackarel10

    @holymackarel10

    4 жыл бұрын

    He deserve it

  • @intellectual_69

    @intellectual_69

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, he actually thrown the entire Amazon rainforest

  • @herxdnb3894

    @herxdnb3894

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Ann Coulter Is Right how? can you elaborate? preferably with an elaborate and eloquent video like this one :)

  • @TheCarenne17

    @TheCarenne17

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Ann Coulter Is Right lol it's because the jury doesn't have a single clue as to what all of the case meant. Do you even understand what this video is pointing at?

  • @scatterbrainjane6928
    @scatterbrainjane69284 жыл бұрын

    Could you imagine if country music people started suing each other over this?

  • @TanyaOwens

    @TanyaOwens

    4 жыл бұрын

    or Reggae or Soca, or tecno, or heavy metal -- that's why it is called a genre

  • @non-binarycoding5505

    @non-binarycoding5505

    4 жыл бұрын

    country musicians are at each other’s throats for using the same key change

  • @andersduus3605

    @andersduus3605

    4 жыл бұрын

    The universe would implode!

  • @mr.nervedamagegaming8050

    @mr.nervedamagegaming8050

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or blues lmao. Blues music is probably the most “sue-able” of them all if this case is any indication.

  • @cmdrbudman1ao580

    @cmdrbudman1ao580

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh... they all know, and laugh all the way to the bank... kzread.info/dash/bejne/eI1stdmCptvQaNI.html

  • @theitalianbobcat
    @theitalianbobcat3 жыл бұрын

    The jury's verdict has been finally reversed in May 2020.

  • @l4zevedo

    @l4zevedo

    2 жыл бұрын

    this should be higher in the comment thread

  • @DisDatK9

    @DisDatK9

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank God. This shit is insane

  • @LilyoftheLake14

    @LilyoftheLake14

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeeeeessssssss!!!!!

  • @fullturbodev

    @fullturbodev

    2 жыл бұрын

    For now, the case is not over

  • @tink6225

    @tink6225

    2 жыл бұрын

    did she still pay of sumn

  • @brettmarlar4154
    @brettmarlar41543 жыл бұрын

    New Rule: All music copyright infringement cases must have a jury consisting of musicians, engineers, composers, etc. as those would truly be the peers of both the plaintiff and defendant!

  • @LosantoBeats

    @LosantoBeats

    2 жыл бұрын

    I 100% support this. Getting brain washed by a biased "musicologist" makes no sense to me.

  • @bladebaron9351

    @bladebaron9351

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I've thought this for many years, it's a good point. This always comes into play with cases that involve so called "expert knowledge", which just means the knowledge that any "practitioner", even an amateur, should possess. It's certainly not limited to just music, but arises often in all the creative media. With criminal cases, a jury of "peers" from the general population is integral to concepts of fairness and social justice, so the Finders of Fact (jury) must be taken from the population at large. But in expert cases, shouldn't the Finders of Fact BE experts? I've thought ever since I realized that in most cases they are not, probably when I was 8 years old or something. But people like this Musicologist are paid superbly to form a set of "facts" that their Employers can use to make their case. "Truth" is fairly inconsequential to the Process itself. That doesn't really seem cool. How can you possibly make a decision in this case, unless you are knowledgeable about the Lore, the Body-of-Work that represents the State of the Art in creative music? That is to say, KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WRITTEN MUSIC OF THIS TYPE AND OTHERS. If one person turns to a novice jury and says "Oh, yes, it does use the same 4/4 time signature as Piece A... but so do most of the songs ever written." That's when the classic squinty-eyed old juror says "Ooooooooh, I didn't know thaaaaat.......well, I guess that changes things doesn't it? Theeey didn't tell us thaaaaaat, young man." And so on.

  • @johnnhoj6749

    @johnnhoj6749

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bladebaron9351 I absolutely agree with you but I'm somewhat alarmed that the defence didn't seem to have one or more expert witnesses of their own saying exactly what this video says, complete with previous similar examples. I would have thought that most non-musicians just seeing this short video would be inclined to throw out the case. Having said that, an entire industry shouldn't be hurled into turmoil because one defence in one case was seriously lacking.

  • @guitarmusic7619

    @guitarmusic7619

    2 жыл бұрын

    that is not how the fake law system works

  • @godisnotinvisible

    @godisnotinvisible

    2 жыл бұрын

    No one is assured a jury of their peers unless it's a George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin situation

  • @kadourimdou43
    @kadourimdou434 жыл бұрын

    “That’s actually Bach” You destroyed the whole case right there.

  • @jimmydarrow6671

    @jimmydarrow6671

    4 жыл бұрын

    Leoben I laughed so hard! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @bledig

    @bledig

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a bit slow, sorry didn't get this 🤔

  • @jackbarbey

    @jackbarbey

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have to disagree, in fact I think Adam did something very deceptive. He played it with a similar rhythmic feel, tempo, and timbre to the two songs in discussion, but that is not actually how that Bach music sounds. He reduces the entire comparison to just melody, and then just states later that all the other tonal features aren't similar enough either. But it's not every feature individually, it's the combination together that makes it too close to the original song. In addition, none of the other examples he found are ostinatos, nor do they repeat nearly as many times as in these two songs. Honestly, I think Adam dressed up his fairly simplistic analysis in elevated language to make it appear more convincing than it was.

  • @bledig

    @bledig

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jack Barbey aaaaa, so where do I direct my internet anger at now?? 😝

  • @petergostelow

    @petergostelow

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jackbarbey "Adam dressed up his fairly simplistic analysis in elevated language to make it appear more convincing than it was." So did Todd, and that was his point.

  • @OliverBatchelor
    @OliverBatchelor4 жыл бұрын

    What is wrong Katy Perry's lawyers that they can't construct an argument like this one?

  • @0ryxxx

    @0ryxxx

    4 жыл бұрын

    They should have played this video in court😂

  • @jacencade4019

    @jacencade4019

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Rata 4U that is the most bullshit thing I have ever heard. This week Stupid people keep saying stupid shit

  • @baburnit

    @baburnit

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rata 4U were you on the jury - because that is the kind of stupid that would award the case to Flame - 🤦‍♂️

  • @TheObamasMamas

    @TheObamasMamas

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rata 4U first off we’re talking about copyright law, not patent law. That 70 years thing is more or less accurate for copyright law, though I think it’s life of the author plus 77 years. I may be off, it’s been awhile since I took communication law in college. This video is arguing that what the plaintiff did was not unique enough to be copyrightable and I think he makes a great argument there. What the plaintiff claimed to have owned has been in the public domain for centuries, and is too insignificant to really count. On that first part, if I made a Snow White movie, Disney could not sue me for copyright infringement. Snow White was always in the public domain, and them making a Snow White movie does not give them ownership of the story, like you are arguing. And on the later point about significance, I think the video makes a better argument than I could in a comment.

  • @alwaysdisputin9930

    @alwaysdisputin9930

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jacencade4019 if it's that stupid then please don't try to hurt him. Maybe he hurts a lot already. Please just say why it's wrong

  • @thomasburris5936
    @thomasburris59363 жыл бұрын

    How bad must Katy Perry's lawyers have been that they couldn't come up with the same examples used in this video and make the plaintiff look foolish?

  • @username888888

    @username888888

    2 жыл бұрын

    They just fished around in the couch cushions and came up with the 2.8 mil just to make the dude go away.

  • @LosantoBeats

    @LosantoBeats

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was wondering just that. Who the hell did they hire?

  • @aliali-ce3yf

    @aliali-ce3yf

    Жыл бұрын

    Lionel Hutz, attorney at law! No. Money down!

  • @bornanagaming3329

    @bornanagaming3329

    Жыл бұрын

    Celebrity Lawyers arent human

  • @Turbulator
    @Turbulator3 жыл бұрын

    "Kinda dangerous." Adam Neely giving a lesson on the art of understatement. I've never heard of Todd Decker before and what I think about him after watching this video cannot be repeated in public.

  • @fsuberca

    @fsuberca

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dare you to say Todd Decker 3 times in front of a mirror..

  • @effsixteenblock50

    @effsixteenblock50

    2 жыл бұрын

    You have to wonder if TD has seen this video...

  • @ashtar3876

    @ashtar3876

    8 ай бұрын

    He sure is a forgetful little man

  • @walpang8968

    @walpang8968

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@effsixteenblock50he has lol and he hates it, the whole washu music department got lots of hate mail from this video

  • @richardpaulus9823
    @richardpaulus98234 жыл бұрын

    I once sued a coworker because his farts sounded similar to mine

  • @kingkv3

    @kingkv3

    4 жыл бұрын

    Richard Paulus do you have recorded proof of the fart sound so that you can sue successfully? /s

  • @richardpaulus9823

    @richardpaulus9823

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kingkv3 of course. I record all of my farts on audio. I also put them all in jars just in case my team of lawyers need to take them to a lab for testing.

  • @OskarSvan

    @OskarSvan

    4 жыл бұрын

    Richard Paulus relatable

  • @DarknezzMadnezz

    @DarknezzMadnezz

    4 жыл бұрын

    if it was in the USA, totally possible lawsuit.

  • @whatscookingoodlookin1

    @whatscookingoodlookin1

    4 жыл бұрын

    JayFeather why are you getting so offended wtf

  • @charliet.sanford2495
    @charliet.sanford24954 жыл бұрын

    A law suit over a two bar, straight quarter note pattern with only three notes. What a time to be alive.

  • @guitargeekette

    @guitargeekette

    4 жыл бұрын

    When those couple notes kinda make the whole song tho... Kinda like the Under pressure bassline. If it's catchy enough to be associated with one song, then years later done by another song...welp.

  • @michaela.754

    @michaela.754

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@guitargeekette exactly

  • @guitargeekette

    @guitargeekette

    4 жыл бұрын

    @jmarks881 But the bassline is not really what forms the memorable part. It's all about that synth running through the song. Many many songs share the same notes and progressions, but some guitar lines/synth lines/piano lines etc are so easily recognizable and play such a big part in the recognition of the song overall, that if anyone else does that after, it can be easily identified as a copy.

  • @ioncrops

    @ioncrops

    4 жыл бұрын

    Christians are sure they go to heaven cuz Jesus right?! so they do whatever the shit they want to, including doing this laughable case. Sorry all true Christians, your peers make you look damn bad

  • @Christopher-md7tf

    @Christopher-md7tf

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@guitargeekette I don't agree at all. Have you actually listened to the two songs? It's not even the exact same synth pattern. And it's not such an outlandish pattern that two producers couldn't come up with it seperately. I mean, what's next? Trap rappers suing each other over using the triplet flow and 32nd note hihat patterns? Somebody copyrighting the I-vi-IV-V and its variations and suing every pop musician on the planet? This is laughable. Even if you were to say that Dark Horse copied Joyful Noise, whether consciously or unconsciously, there is A LOT more going on in the Katy Perry song than that ostinato. It actually starts out with a totally different synth pattern, there's a different chord progression and bassline, and there are actual melodies in the verse and chorus. As Rick Beato said, you could award Flame with maybe 10 or 15% of the royalties, but 100% is just absolutely laughable. It's just an unknown mediocre rapper cashing in on somebody else's success. Similar to what the Marvin Gaye estate has been doing the last couple of years. Same as with the Zeppelin/Spirit case.

  • @gorkajames6475
    @gorkajames64752 жыл бұрын

    In the appeal, judge recently ruled said that a copyright over this would amount “to allowing an improper monopoly over two-note pitch sequences or even the minor scale itself, especially in light of the limited number of expressive choices available when it comes to an eight-note repeated musical figure”. Great to hear a judge understanding the magnitude of the copyright.

  • @solomonsetarin7615

    @solomonsetarin7615

    10 ай бұрын

    Judges are (generally) rather intelligent people. Of course they'd understand the issues a copyright like this would cause.

  • @MaidenOfMusic
    @MaidenOfMusic3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for posting this. As a songwriter/artist seriously planning on marketing my music, it makes me nervous to see these lawsuits coming out where people are losing because the "vibe" is too close. It honestly makes me afraid to think that I'll spend thousands of dollars to record and market a song, only to have some unknown artist sue me. If more of these silly lawsuits come out I hope that you'll keep making these videos and standing up for creatives

  • @jepulis6674

    @jepulis6674

    2 жыл бұрын

    Broken justice system brings ridiculous results.

  • @ahaezy
    @ahaezy4 жыл бұрын

    Everybody knows Lil John invented the phrase “yeah” in 2003

  • @McDuffin

    @McDuffin

    4 жыл бұрын

    Actually, ‘yeah’ would most likely be intellectual property of a mr Layne Staley. Lil John stole it and now mr Staley’s estate will be suing mr John for royalties on every single ‘yeah’ he ever uttered.

  • @jblue1622

    @jblue1622

    4 жыл бұрын

    Fuff Mcduffin as a juror representing on this case who doesn’t understand any of the jargon you just typed, I rule in favor of the one you are presiding

  • @jblue1622

    @jblue1622

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh also OVERRULED! Hehe I just wanted to say that!

  • @youds4

    @youds4

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@McDuffin Pursuant to the suit filed by Mr. Staley's estate, the current owner of the Beatles catelouge will be filing their own motion. When they receive their settlement they will love you, yeah, yeah, yeah!!

  • @herinbone

    @herinbone

    4 жыл бұрын

    *james hetfield

  • @peytonjames
    @peytonjames4 жыл бұрын

    He claimed that 45% of dark horse was copyrighted and that he should get 45% of the money earned by PRISM The entire album Dark Horse is one song. He's money hungry and it shows

  • @d.strassler9080

    @d.strassler9080

    4 жыл бұрын

    Peyton James Christian my ass, dude just trying to squeeze as much as he can out of this.

  • @korawillyard9712

    @korawillyard9712

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah. Exactly. He’s just a piece of shit.

  • @Silverizael

    @Silverizael

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how much the "expert" Todd Decker gets from that.

  • @xPorsum

    @xPorsum

    4 жыл бұрын

    To be honest that song was probably the main reason for album sales though.

  • @jaydencole6618

    @jaydencole6618

    4 жыл бұрын

    xPorsum roar was even more popular than dark horse

  • @jan-assarlaine8312
    @jan-assarlaine83123 жыл бұрын

    Arguments like Todd's would be devastating for the whole blues culture.

  • @ExpatZ266

    @ExpatZ266

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jazz as well, it kills the entire idea of building off of a standard without being immediately exposed to a lawsuit.

  • @nickchambers3935
    @nickchambers39353 жыл бұрын

    When I first watched this I knew very little about music, but watching it again now I realise how laughably absurd Decker's claim is. Imagine trying to claim that a certain painter was the first to use red and green together, and now they legally own that colour combination

  • @derromiti
    @derromiti4 жыл бұрын

    " Imagine if someone could own a word" *gets react bros flashbacks*

  • @Melethasgar

    @Melethasgar

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why? They weren't claiming the word.

  • @LVRN-qj7kr

    @LVRN-qj7kr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Black people own a word.

  • @michaelweaver9381

    @michaelweaver9381

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can buy a vowel? I don't want to own a word. I want the letter "e". Muwahaha! This lawsuit reminds me of a diaper I saw once. Even better, can I copyright the color blue?

  • @Melethasgar

    @Melethasgar

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@LVRN-qj7kr So true.

  • @SlyHikari03

    @SlyHikari03

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also Kim Kardashian’s “Kimono” Clothing line.

  • @srglzrmj
    @srglzrmj4 жыл бұрын

    Imagine copyrighting your own DNA so you can sue all of your offspring for living if you wanted to 🤔

  • @aetherblackbolt1301

    @aetherblackbolt1301

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sergio lazaro mejía 99% of our DNA is common to all of us, so if you did that you could copyright everyone for living!!! 🤔

  • @xheralt

    @xheralt

    4 жыл бұрын

    BEWARE THE REPO MAN.

  • @FriendoftheDork

    @FriendoftheDork

    4 жыл бұрын

    Technically, you are the one that's copying yourself, so that won't work. If someone else started using your DNA without permission however... that would be a cool sci-fi flick.

  • @zenmasterorwhatever

    @zenmasterorwhatever

    4 жыл бұрын

    I copyrighted your comment. *I'll see you in court.*

  • @sms5879

    @sms5879

    4 жыл бұрын

    Careful, don't give them ideas.

  • @MW-ts7hl
    @MW-ts7hl2 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of the time I sent an essay of mine through plagiarism checking software and it came back that I strung together the same 7 words as someone else when they published their paper on a different topic… in the 80s 😂

  • @clarkjbunch
    @clarkjbunch2 жыл бұрын

    Update: the win for Flame has been overturned. Only the Supreme Court at this point can keep the case alive (so a win for Perry).

  • @hippopolous
    @hippopolous4 жыл бұрын

    I'm gonna copyright A 440hz and sue everyone.

  • @mschmidt62

    @mschmidt62

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's ok, I'm usually out of tune.

  • @bakeneko3993

    @bakeneko3993

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sorry, we only play A 432 Hz with pythagorean tuning nowadays.

  • @educostanzo

    @educostanzo

    4 жыл бұрын

    Then the 432hz people would finally have an actual purpose for using the right frequencies.

  • @Necromancer4267

    @Necromancer4267

    4 жыл бұрын

    4/4 dibs!

  • @henryrichard7619

    @henryrichard7619

    4 жыл бұрын

    I call dibs on the perfect fifth, you can't use it or anything approximating it or I sue

  • @AdamNeely
    @AdamNeely4 жыл бұрын

    What’s kind of amazing in this case is also how much Katy Perry’s team dropped the ball with the defense. I threw together this video in less than a week. They had 4 years.

  • @XcaptainXobliviousX

    @XcaptainXobliviousX

    4 жыл бұрын

    they probably didnt think they lived in a universe stupid enough they could lose.

  • @brianspenst1374

    @brianspenst1374

    4 жыл бұрын

    Heads up to musicians, hire Neely and Beato for your case.

  • @sandalero

    @sandalero

    4 жыл бұрын

    good point. almost unbelievable

  • @michaela.754

    @michaela.754

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why wouldn't you play the two licks back to back?

  • @andyp90210

    @andyp90210

    4 жыл бұрын

    Someone needs to introduce Katy to you...

  • @silenc3x
    @silenc3x2 жыл бұрын

    The verdict was overturned on appeal on the March 16, 2020. US District Court judge Christina A Snyder said "It is undisputed in this case" that the ostinato was "not a particularly unique or rare combination."

  • @williamhoward9730
    @williamhoward97303 жыл бұрын

    One of the first songs I ever wrote when I started playing guitar was a simple 4 chord, 6/8 time signature, song in the key of C. I played it for my mom, who is a music education major, but would have been a performance major if it weren’t for an injury to her left arm half way through her sophomore year. She liked it and said as much at first but remarked later that she had heard the chord progression before (in that time signature). While she meant this not with the intention of discouragement, it illustrated to me the reality of how finite the number of chord progressions there are and the pertinence of individual playing styles and melodic composition in distinguishing ones individual artistic expression from another’s. Granted my fundamental understanding of music composition and terminology is very limited still I hope this makes some level of sense. Just figured I’d share a thought 🤷‍♂️

  • @151621
    @1516214 жыл бұрын

    Katy Perry must hire Adam Neely and sue rapper flame and Todd Decker.

  • @banjopink4409

    @banjopink4409

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, maybe ... if you can fill the jury with academic musicologists.

  • @scottrainey2375

    @scottrainey2375

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@banjopink4409 i'm not an academic musicologist and I was able to follow the video perfectly well

  • @banjopink4409

    @banjopink4409

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@scottrainey2375 OK. So we stuff the jury with clones of you ... just so long as there's no normies capable of being misled by snake-oil hustlers

  • @dylanbuckle114

    @dylanbuckle114

    4 жыл бұрын

    Neely and Beato would be the dream team...

  • @GordonBenny

    @GordonBenny

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@banjopink4409 Perfectly clear to me and I have zero knowlege of music theory. All that's needed are eyes and ears, the comparisons to earlier music was enough to blow the case out of court, and I'm certain your average 12 year old could follow that with ease. If you struggled with that I suspect you are the one in the minority.

  • @1sava
    @1sava4 жыл бұрын

    Katy failed the moment she didn't hire you in her defense team.... Don't be like Katy y'all. Always hire Neely.

  • @stefanandrews5098

    @stefanandrews5098

    4 жыл бұрын

    We need Adam as the expert witness for the defense, led by chief legal council - D James Stone, AKA LegalEagle here on KZread

  • @meme3796

    @meme3796

    4 жыл бұрын

    Add Rick Beato too

  • @vinskilindqvist4554

    @vinskilindqvist4554

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@meme3796 hmmm, nah he ain't cool enough

  • @davidhinkley

    @davidhinkley

    4 жыл бұрын

    She would have had a chance ----- UNLESS everyone in the jury, the judge and opposing counsel were Christians heavily influenced by the swarmy Christian evangelists and other fascist thought. Just saying.

  • @PetarBozic
    @PetarBozic2 жыл бұрын

    And now it's been overturned! That's a win for music, if you ask me.

  • @theodiamantis8102
    @theodiamantis81023 жыл бұрын

    Adam, what a great video! Thanks for putting this together. I'll share it with my classes.

  • @VOLAIRE
    @VOLAIRE4 жыл бұрын

    *This just in: Bach comes back from the grave to sue Flame for sampling his violin sonata in f minor*

  • @ProfessorSyndicateFranklai

    @ProfessorSyndicateFranklai

    4 жыл бұрын

    Breaking news: Pythagoras also comes back from the dead to sue Bach for using fifths. He is also to sue every mathematician for using the Pythagorean theorem.

  • @LukasRuge

    @LukasRuge

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@craigsimpson1230 Not sure the jury is in on that. His music is in the public domain because he is believed to be dead for more than [insert number depending in legal framework of copyright in your country] years. In a scenario where the dead come alive again, this believe is wrong and he is currently not dead for that number of years. In the post apocalyptic zombie hellscape of returning dead people, that would be a court case to watch closely... But I think the plaintive, Zombie Bach, should be paid.

  • @Mr_NoL

    @Mr_NoL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why do I see you everywhere

  • @7upcranberry78

    @7upcranberry78

    4 жыл бұрын

    Craig Simpson it was a joke

  • @Mr_GSD

    @Mr_GSD

    4 жыл бұрын

    This just in: The big bang is suing everything for making sound.

  • @cyberdroid2300
    @cyberdroid23004 жыл бұрын

    If this is the case, every 90's rapper should be sued by every 70's soul artists.

  • @axlegrind4212

    @axlegrind4212

    4 жыл бұрын

    true, but only if the song makes money. there is no need to sue if the song is a dud and it made no revenue. the ploy for sampling is to sample, knowing it is wrong, to try to get your song noticed and make enough revenue to get something out of your recording after the lawsuit. who wants to pay for permission of the usage of another's work and then make no money off of it. life is full of taking chances to make money.

  • @bluewuppo

    @bluewuppo

    4 жыл бұрын

    Axle Grind Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Sampling isnt for greedy opportunists, its a tool for expression and reflection. They are used to add detail, contribute to the album's storyline, comedic value, etc. Take any hip-hop or rap album that employs skits to tell a story or be comedic. Sampling is beneficial for music, not for corrupt financial-based schemes. There is a huge difference between stealing a song and sampling a conversation, subway train, TV shows, etc. You needa educate yourself.

  • @DaveYognaut

    @DaveYognaut

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bluewuppo Also, they get permission. But, you're not wrong at all mate.

  • @bencastor9207

    @bencastor9207

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bluewuppo he obviously wasn't referring to sampling a conversation on the subway... Moot point at it's finest. Sampling a tracks melody effectively makes your track a remix which you need clearance for, yeah sometimes you'll get away with it but if the tracks blow up expect to lose most of your royalties for being dishonest as fuck...

  • @WilliamEccleston

    @WilliamEccleston

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bencastor9207 Dishonest? Are you kidding me? Literally any musician worth their salt knows what you're saying is brain dead.

  • @the5ft3smiler52
    @the5ft3smiler522 жыл бұрын

    UPDATE THIS KING

  • @meganwilliams2962
    @meganwilliams29623 жыл бұрын

    Well, "Men at Work" were sued over the flute riff in "Down Under" by the owners of the copyright to "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree"

  • @dotChrollo
    @dotChrollo4 жыл бұрын

    I feel like you're gonna become the anti-industry lawsuit guy, and I'm so for this.

  • @spacevspitch4028

    @spacevspitch4028

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Pompous Psycho That's the point though. Keyword, "Unwillingly". It's not about whether anyone's a fan or not. It's about what makes sense.

  • @lukasalihein

    @lukasalihein

    4 жыл бұрын

    We should be so lucky...

  • @baylinkdashyt

    @baylinkdashyt

    4 жыл бұрын

    It is, in fact, the point. In the legal system, hearsay testimony is generally not accepted. One of a small list of exceptions is called 'testimony against interest'. I don't know if that fits this legally or not, but it gets the idea across.

  • @j_freed

    @j_freed

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's what real hackers do,, expose the falsity of the establishment. If were paying attention watching the film "The Matrix" hackers reveal the truth to the world so that people can choose to think for themselves and not be told what to believe, I think and say. Never too late for social media to rescue us from insanity, Red Pill that shit...

  • @TooSlowTube

    @TooSlowTube

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@lukasalihein, Sorry - you can't say that any more. Kylie will sue.

  • @PronteCo
    @PronteCo4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a little disappointed that the whole video was not just him going "wait, that wasn't kary perry, this is katy perry.." over and over again

  • @UKRAku

    @UKRAku

    4 жыл бұрын

    over and over again? You can't use that it's been copyrighted to Nelly & Tim Mcgraw.

  • @PronteCo

    @PronteCo

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@UKRAku damn!! My comment just got demonetized

  • @JaymeSplendid

    @JaymeSplendid

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't know what the FUCK you just said, Little Kid, but you're special man, you reached out, and you touch a brother's heart.

  • @itsjestic7682

    @itsjestic7682

    4 жыл бұрын

    That was rather annoying to me lol

  • @dylanrimmer9234

    @dylanrimmer9234

    4 жыл бұрын

    Pronte sorry but the word demon**ised is copyrighted by you know who

  • @nadim4343
    @nadim43433 жыл бұрын

    Igor Stravinsky: "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal " these cases are potentially corporate destruction of musical creativity

  • @ophs1980
    @ophs19803 жыл бұрын

    As soon as I heard it, I immediately went to "Moments in Love". Maybe Art of Noise has a case against Flame?

  • @natural4145
    @natural41454 жыл бұрын

    *Todd Decker is musicologist* Adam Neely: I'm gonna end this man's career.

  • @brendanthompson2082

    @brendanthompson2082

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good.

  • @Guitarisforgrins

    @Guitarisforgrins

    4 жыл бұрын

    Fingers crossed

  • @6idangle

    @6idangle

    4 жыл бұрын

    *bout to end this man's whole career.*

  • @alten2122

    @alten2122

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh! Good! I approve!

  • @Mezurashii5

    @Mezurashii5

    4 жыл бұрын

    More like Todd Decker: is a musicologist Todd Decker: I'm gonna end this man's whole career

  • @oliviag2823
    @oliviag28234 жыл бұрын

    Katy should sue Todd Decker for not doing his research and she should bring up these songs

  • @h.p.3072

    @h.p.3072

    4 жыл бұрын

    agreed

  • @Benjicmm

    @Benjicmm

    4 жыл бұрын

    You cannot sue a witness.

  • @neurofiedyamato8763

    @neurofiedyamato8763

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm not a fan of her and don't even listen to her music but such unfair outrageous lawsuits need to be clamped down on

  • @SakuraMoonflower

    @SakuraMoonflower

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@neurofiedyamato8763 Agreed

  • @SakuraMoonflower

    @SakuraMoonflower

    4 жыл бұрын

    Her legal team completely fucking failed her. Like, what was she even paying them for?!

  • @Hidinginyourcupboard
    @Hidinginyourcupboard2 жыл бұрын

    Guilty verdict now overturned and upheld 👍🏼

  • @TonaVilVer
    @TonaVilVer Жыл бұрын

    One photography teacher told me, even if you think it was your idea, for sure unconsciously you heard or saw or had a contact with that (what ever is that) during your life, but you don't know when or even remember, inspiration comes from everywhere.

  • @salty_3k506

    @salty_3k506

    11 ай бұрын

    yes exactly, and that's good and important because you can't just come up with totally new ideas, you just alterate and reiterate on the stuff that came before. and just by coincidence, some things will turn out very similar, that doesn't mean you stole something just because the inspiration might be obvious in some places.

  • @cyb3rk3v
    @cyb3rk3v4 жыл бұрын

    The year 2030: Musician sued for using a snare drum. Jury awards damages.

  • @johngddr5288

    @johngddr5288

    4 жыл бұрын

    2023: Sued for singing horribly in a song, just like this other song

  • @venomousalex8383

    @venomousalex8383

    4 жыл бұрын

    "I have never heard this snare drum being played on beat 2 and 4 in two songs before"

  • @devonchristian7200

    @devonchristian7200

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sued for blowing a flute

  • @soberakin9415

    @soberakin9415

    4 жыл бұрын

    2035: musician sued for rhyming words

  • @mjt1517

    @mjt1517

    4 жыл бұрын

    And the musician was sentenced to death.

  • @sandy.redding
    @sandy.redding4 жыл бұрын

    It’s interesting that Katy Perry’s attorney couldn’t find someone anyone as knowledgeable as Adam Neeley. What the hell were they thinking?

  • @anna.1910

    @anna.1910

    4 жыл бұрын

    Get her back in the news?

  • @calebm9000

    @calebm9000

    4 жыл бұрын

    They knew exactly what they were doing.

  • @Dooley_Friday

    @Dooley_Friday

    4 жыл бұрын

    Someone didn't read the court documents 🤷‍♂️

  • @joeythehat9

    @joeythehat9

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rick Beato broke this down in a different way but same conclusion.

  • @davidblairmusic

    @davidblairmusic

    4 жыл бұрын

    My thoughts exactly.

  • @TheJoergenDK
    @TheJoergenDK3 жыл бұрын

    The "pingy, artificial sound" is originally from Laurie Anderson, 1984.

  • @5950155
    @59501553 жыл бұрын

    at 5:21 Art of Noise, Moments in Love....was sounding in my head from start of this vid, glad it is included (sampled )

  • @ninboy01
    @ninboy014 жыл бұрын

    Music copyright trolling is ridiculous. This is like copyrighting the use of the color blue in a visual artwork.

  • @Centrioless

    @Centrioless

    4 жыл бұрын

    Some artist actually did copyright some colors (ie: the blackest black)

  • @flawl3sslogic

    @flawl3sslogic

    4 жыл бұрын

    And Cadbury purple

  • @kermita12

    @kermita12

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Over the years some 'rights' to old songs, ditties and even what would amount to nursery rhymes come into 'ownership' of faceless corporations. Do a web search on 'Men at Work', 'Downunder' and 'kookaburra sits in the old Gum tree's, one flute section in that song saw the band taken to the cleaners by 'rights owners' decades after either song was released. This video ably demonstrates the absurdities, seems Katy Perry's legal team was lacking. Is there an appeal process for such a decision?

  • @stubborndirt5432

    @stubborndirt5432

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well copyright trollers do exist.

  • @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz

    @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz

    4 жыл бұрын

    copiright law is a joke. a joke made by these corporations, fuck them all.

  • @simobeats
    @simobeats4 жыл бұрын

    The music industry is being destroyed by a musicologist.

  • @passionfly1

    @passionfly1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Katy Perry is destroying music by copying other artists. Don't get it twisted.

  • @ghettoman1238

    @ghettoman1238

    4 жыл бұрын

    Love is the answer I love your answer : )

  • @simobeats

    @simobeats

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm guessing you guys didn't finish watching this video

  • @tyc6268

    @tyc6268

    4 жыл бұрын

    LoveIsTheAnswer but she’s not. This would be the equivalent of a painter trying to sue another painter because they both paint trees, Or they both used red or something. It’s ridiculous. You can’t own the building blocks of music. You don’t want to live in a world like that.

  • @fattit7598

    @fattit7598

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@passionfly1 Do you not understand or watch the fucking video?

  • @rbuthird
    @rbuthird3 жыл бұрын

    Nobody will ever be able to record shit with cases like this.

  • @repmusic
    @repmusic2 жыл бұрын

    I am so glad you exist Adam, thank you for everything you do.

  • @wendolienkrulmuziek
    @wendolienkrulmuziek4 жыл бұрын

    I am a musicologist. These musicologists give a bad name to the profession. This lawsuit is ridiculous.

  • @user-ei9ns9hq6b

    @user-ei9ns9hq6b

    4 жыл бұрын

    You ain't shit except an overweight old hag

  • @GuzmanMPetit

    @GuzmanMPetit

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@user-ei9ns9hq6b You are a very stupid human being. Probably one of the juries in this stupid lawsuit. Hell, you might be related to the idiot musicologist who was called as an expert.

  • @herenomore3167

    @herenomore3167

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@user-ei9ns9hq6b what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you ten?

  • @jwgmail

    @jwgmail

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@user-ei9ns9hq6b I'm sorry for whatever pain you've suffered that motivates you to waste all our time typing something like that. I hope you find something positive that helps you find joy in doing good.

  • @johnsengul

    @johnsengul

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@user-ei9ns9hq6b eat a couple more pieces of vegan goodness and sort yourself out

  • @crawbug8932
    @crawbug89324 жыл бұрын

    2018: "You can't own chords" 2019: "You can't own the minor scale"

  • @marchesi07

    @marchesi07

    4 жыл бұрын

    2020: You can't own the chromatic scale 2021: You can't own the western music notation

  • @applehack97

    @applehack97

    4 жыл бұрын

    2022: "you can't own a note"

  • @weee50

    @weee50

    4 жыл бұрын

    2020: "You can't own rhythms" 2021: "You can't own pitches" 2022: "You can't own quarter notes" 2023: "You can't own bar lines" 2024: "You can't own the idea of computers" 2025: "You can't own the idea of music"

  • @doppled

    @doppled

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@weee50 2026: "You can't own sound"

  • @IncenseAgallochum

    @IncenseAgallochum

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@marchesi07 2022: "Jazz pianist fined for failure to sufficiently pay Warner's per-interval royalty for music tuned equal temperament."

  • @moroderfan
    @moroderfan3 жыл бұрын

    My favorite channel at the moment! You're so good, thank you!

  • @guitarmusic7619
    @guitarmusic76192 жыл бұрын

    fact of the matter is: you can't own music. but you can own a CD

  • @twinkey5236
    @twinkey52364 жыл бұрын

    Just In: Katy Perry sued by the zoo for copyright infringement by using animals sounds in Roar!

  • @CarlosLopez-ol8gi

    @CarlosLopez-ol8gi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bruh 😂

  • @an_impasse

    @an_impasse

    4 жыл бұрын

    The opening sounds very similar to _Brave_ by Sara Bareilles...she just laughed it off and moved on, no lawsuit or whatever against Perry or anyone else involved in making _Roar._

  • @neutralman9124

    @neutralman9124

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@an_impasse That's because Brave was hugely successful while Joyful Noise was not.

  • @LifeisReal1990

    @LifeisReal1990

    4 жыл бұрын

    It could happen, even I got a copyright claim on one of my videos for a seagull noise playing in the background in a video game. Copyrighted by freaking ambient nature sounds in a game. The person trying to claim one of my unlisted videos had done an album of nature noises, so it sounded like it belonged to them.

  • @krisgee9553
    @krisgee95534 жыл бұрын

    Nice counter argument. Sounds like her legal team failed. Maybe you should contact her legal team on the appeal and get paid!

  • @SakuraMoonflower

    @SakuraMoonflower

    4 жыл бұрын

    Man, I wanted to be their counter musical expert. XD

  • @SakuraMoonflower

    @SakuraMoonflower

    4 жыл бұрын

    But Adam would do it better for sure

  • @saraheverett95

    @saraheverett95

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think it’s less the legal team and more that the jury didn’t care

  • @Leifenguard

    @Leifenguard

    4 жыл бұрын

    Adam should be paid more than Katy Perry's legal team.

  • @alwaysdisputin9930

    @alwaysdisputin9930

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@saraheverett95 maybe they did care but, bewildered, they felt Katy Perry's wealthy enough to give up $500k

  • @HazyJ28
    @HazyJ283 жыл бұрын

    Music copyright lawsuits should be mandated to have juries of Music Theory experts

  • @d4rk785
    @d4rk7853 жыл бұрын

    unlucky when they discover every blues song ever has the same chord progression

  • @sevenaries
    @sevenaries4 жыл бұрын

    When he finally said this is Katy Perry's dark horse, I almost didn't believe him

  • @amartyaprakash897

    @amartyaprakash897

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣

  • @shibindazler999

    @shibindazler999

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mee tooo😂😂😂

  • @Lharsssss1927

    @Lharsssss1927

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha

  • @lachlanstory9929

    @lachlanstory9929

    2 жыл бұрын

    fr, that got really annoying after the second one

  • @Klabbity_Kloots

    @Klabbity_Kloots

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lachlanstory9929 You must be easily annoyed.

  • @ReodoraPurple
    @ReodoraPurple4 жыл бұрын

    isn't it odd how in 2019 you'd use witchcraft and paganism as accusations in a law suit?

  • @10mimu

    @10mimu

    4 жыл бұрын

    Reodora Purple it's america, what did you expect?

  • @Cochituatebeach

    @Cochituatebeach

    4 жыл бұрын

    Welcome to the modern world of Resident* Trump *He's the place holder between out most recent President and the next one.

  • @Lunarsight

    @Lunarsight

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's the whole 'what buzzwords can I throw in to upset the jurors?' strategy.

  • @oliver5714

    @oliver5714

    4 жыл бұрын

    especially against a woman... i bet if katy were male none of that would have been brought up. sounds very witch trials if you ask me

  • @LegCreator

    @LegCreator

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm alright with christianity and with Christian music like gospel but what can you expect from "christian rap" - they're too crazy for christianity and rap

  • @ickysan
    @ickysan2 жыл бұрын

    You are so awesome. If I ever get sued for copyright infringement, I'm hiring you as my musicology expert. Love your channel.❤❤❤

  • @Zweimt
    @Zweimt3 жыл бұрын

    i've been looking for that art of noise sample for ages.... thank you

  • @cr0issants
    @cr0issants4 жыл бұрын

    So by this logic... they better sue Santa and Moses too lmao

  • @pathetic2399

    @pathetic2399

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or sue the guy who is suing Katy Perry for copying Moses and Santa

  • @katie4391

    @katie4391

    4 жыл бұрын

    I love how this implies Santa & Moses wrote those songs, it’s just so funny to imagine Santa going “hmmm that song Moses made sounds great...”

  • @Jewls2

    @Jewls2

    4 жыл бұрын

    And Godzilla...

  • @WamblingPlague5

    @WamblingPlague5

    4 жыл бұрын

    And Bach

  • @RiceShouldBeFluffy

    @RiceShouldBeFluffy

    4 жыл бұрын

    @mike sixx Get the fuck out of here you shit faced troll getting paid by Russians.

  • @ashleeknowlton5805
    @ashleeknowlton58054 жыл бұрын

    If I ever become a musician and get sued, I'm using you as my expert witness.

  • @6idangle

    @6idangle

    4 жыл бұрын

    My civil procedure professor is an expert witness and makes SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY, if he gets into this realm he could make a lot of money especially if he is testifying for defendants with huge pockets.

  • @britboy3456

    @britboy3456

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why didn't Katy Perry get Adam Neely as an expert witness?

  • @ignacioandresv3170

    @ignacioandresv3170

    4 жыл бұрын

    You'd had to be innocent though

  • @harrylane4

    @harrylane4

    4 жыл бұрын

    What if that's the one time that he decides it was plagiarized 🤔🤔🤔

  • @heshreds4049

    @heshreds4049

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ignacioandresv3170 Evidently not as this law suit has just shown us.

  • @NawiTheCore
    @NawiTheCore Жыл бұрын

    And this is WHY the idea that everything has to be decided by a jury of non-expert laypersons is a TERRIBLE idea. If a jury is to decide this matter, the jury should consist of musicians, lyricists, sound engineers, producers and composers. It is INSANE that we are letting people with no musical knowledge decide on these delicate matters.

  • @dwaynewodonga8554
    @dwaynewodonga85543 жыл бұрын

    Nice video!! Interesting that this totally spurious lawsuit should have been overturned, Katy got lucky, or a competent judge 2nd time around. Maybe Colin Hay (of Men at Work) should seek another trial. I'm referring to one of the most embarrassing episodes in Australia's legal history. In June 2009, 28 years after the release of the recording of Men at Works song Down Under, Larrikin Music sued Men at Work for copyright infringement, alleging that part of the flute riff of "Down Under" was copied from "Kookaburra" (a children's nursery rhyme known to all and widely thought to be in the public domain). The flute riff included a musical 4-bar quote which had no doubt been initially played off the cuff at a live gig sometime but had come to be incorporated into the song as an essential element of "Australian-ness", and recorded with it in as is. The art of musical quoting other pieces of music dates back centuries and is widely practiced in jazz (and sometimes even rock) so I'm really not sure how it even came to be in court - imagine if a publisher of a pop song from the 40s tried to sue Dexter Gordon for doing one of his innumerable quotes. It would have been - quite rightly - laughed out of court. However the Men at Work defense team, instead of stating; "Yes it's a musical quote, and correct, not much point if no-one recognises it is there?!" they for whatever reason tried to argue that is wasn't intentional, or it wasn't that song, or was already in the public domain (a fairly valid argument as well as it happens). Anyway they lost something that should never have even got to court, Larrikin music is now much despised and has since changed their name, Greg Ham (the flute player) died not long after, and the legal system in Australia is now widely recognised as the farce it is, not least because the High Court of Australia declined to hear the appeal (and missed a golden opportunity to be seen as doing something constructive). For stupid music court cases it takes some beating - despite thousands of instances of musical "quoting" by instrumentalists I cannot think of another that has ended up in court. Oh and the amount awarded; 5% of royalties from 2002. Millions. Take-away? Greed pays - sue.

  • @TopHatPenguin
    @TopHatPenguin4 жыл бұрын

    Those lawyers should honestly be fired because it’s very obvious the guy is just going for money

  • @queenofglory4089

    @queenofglory4089

    4 жыл бұрын

    So are lawyers

  • @andrewvelonis5940

    @andrewvelonis5940

    4 жыл бұрын

    We have a word for that in the legal profession. And it happens with a fair degree of frequency.

  • @leeclegg2943

    @leeclegg2943

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@andrewvelonis5940 is the word in the legal system 'buddy'?

  • @Freudenfreude111

    @Freudenfreude111

    4 жыл бұрын

    Probably throwing in the occultist things for convincing the jury

  • @CHRIZ04tv

    @CHRIZ04tv

    4 жыл бұрын

    Most likely than not it was the lawyers that approached the guy with the promise of riches.

  • @jeffmahoney1271
    @jeffmahoney12714 жыл бұрын

    You need to contact Katie Perry for her appeal and request a large commission lol

  • @stephendevore

    @stephendevore

    4 жыл бұрын

    He would, if he could spell her name properly. JK.

  • @junedarling8054

    @junedarling8054

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@stephendevore Her name is actually spelled Katy,,,

  • @samanthamurphy5925

    @samanthamurphy5925

    4 жыл бұрын

    Katy not Katie! 🙄😬😑

  • @mrhinton7333

    @mrhinton7333

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree except for the Commission part- she has a good appeal with this evidence. Not that it wasn't obvious at the time that the suit was solely a result of religious bigotry on the part of the plaintiff and had little to do with the riff..

  • @timothygilman3010
    @timothygilman30102 жыл бұрын

    Adam thanks for making this video. Seems like Katy defense attorney should have hired you to counter the case. Great work. Love your channel and bass playing.

  • @tl4027
    @tl40272 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU! I was trying to remember the name of the song and artist and I knew you would find Moments in Love by Art of Noise. Been searching for this for years

  • @jayahmier1077
    @jayahmier10774 жыл бұрын

    I love how I’m watching this pretending like I know and understand everything he’s saying

  • @faroshscale

    @faroshscale

    4 жыл бұрын

    I mean he explains it...it's not really hard to understand

  • @Rhiannon041

    @Rhiannon041

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lol what's difficult to understand? Are you 12?

  • @aud7593

    @aud7593

    4 жыл бұрын

    faroshscale it’s more that there’s a lot of words new to those of us with no knowledge of music theory (? i assume what this is?) and while i personally understand what he’s saying - he’s very good at explaining! - i can’t for the life of me explain this to someone else coherently

  • @jayahmier1077

    @jayahmier1077

    4 жыл бұрын

    faroshscale I’m talking about the terminology, not the concept....

  • @synysterrock3982

    @synysterrock3982

    4 жыл бұрын

    Damn these people got salty at you really quick, from a non musical background a lot of the words, terminology this guy used can come across as being a bit confusing, yall need to c h i l l

  • @daniel_walther
    @daniel_walther4 жыл бұрын

    I'm so glad people like you and Rick Beato are shedding some light on how outrageous these lawsuits are

  • @lodew

    @lodew

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nothing is going to change sadly

  • @KiranManoharan

    @KiranManoharan

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree

  • @brin57

    @brin57

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is good for this stupidity to be brought to light. However, I would be happier if the videos on these were not monetised, as they are also making income off the backs of other peoples music. How ironic!

  • @ae-om1bw

    @ae-om1bw

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brin57 i think they are making money on behalf of the insight he's offering, not on the music itself

  • @photios4779
    @photios47792 жыл бұрын

    Singers and songwriters can make some "joyful noise" now that a federal appeals court has now confirmed that Perry didn't infringe on Flame's copyright. All three judges unanimously agreed that "The portion of the ‘Joyful Noise’ ostinato that overlaps with the ‘Dark Horse’ ostinato consists of a manifestly conventional arrangement of musical building blocks ... Allowing a copyright over this material would essentially amount to allowing an improper monopoly over two-note pitch sequences or even the minor scale itself." This sensible ruling protects the right of all artists to freely make use of basic musical building blocks that are rightfully in the public domain, just like individual words or common idioms in the English language. Good job explaining this case!

  • @sspiderandbee
    @sspiderandbee3 жыл бұрын

    When you mentioned Art of Noise it finally clicked for me why it felt like your synth was so familiar.

  • @theitalianbobcat

    @theitalianbobcat

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's one of the most famous Fairlight presets, ARR1.

  • @yoitsdemz
    @yoitsdemz4 жыл бұрын

    "I hope that you were paid well, because you kind of sold us all out" - Genius, 2019

  • @Submersed24
    @Submersed244 жыл бұрын

    It sounds nothing alike. If that is considered the same, then 99% of music is the same. You only have 12 keys in an octave.

  • @abztraktgaming

    @abztraktgaming

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is scary shit...I feel for her and the producer.

  • @xpusostomos

    @xpusostomos

    4 жыл бұрын

    I call dibs on "A"

  • @keymaster430

    @keymaster430

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@xpusostomos I'm skipping B and going for C. B just sounds so drab and dreary. But, I'll trade you my E for your A!

  • @pigman6954
    @pigman69542 жыл бұрын

    if only you could've spoken to the defense lawyer here

  • @bladebaron9351
    @bladebaron93512 жыл бұрын

    The key part of this is when Adam says "Yeah, Mr. Todd Decker, Musicologist and Chair of Music at Washington University in St. Louis, we understand that you were just trying to get paid, but do you realize what you've done?" ( Convince a jury that a background part of arrangement that simply descends a minor scale (from the III) in quarter-notes is protectable under law, in case you weren't paying attention. ) That's the point of this: Yet again, a man has been Paid to Lie under oath in a court of law. And let's be clear here: Mr. Decker is not confused, unknowledgeable, foolish, or otherwise. He didn't make a "mistake in judgment", like "oops I tripped and fell, and accidentally gave copious false testimony to a jury." He is not giving facts as he knows them, he has contradicted the facts as he knows them. He is not giving his proper opinion - that, he has kept to himself. He rather has constructed a false "opinion" to falsely present as his real opinion. I would find it hard to believe that a poll of say 30 expert witness, you could find even 1 that believed that Mr. Decker was being forthright as he,, Decker, see the case." No, instead, with full malice, a gentleman relied upon to supply the court with good information is Lying, for Money (yes, experts are REALLY well-paid), at the Behest of His Employer. (Remember, experts who give Good Results get hired again.) Lying for Money, under oath. Is that better or worse than a Drug Dealer who lies on the stand, to avoid Incarceration? If this doesn't upset you, yet you are a Music Fan (who isn't?), you will need to check your pulse. Oh, almost forgot: Adam - NICE JOB holding this jackass to account for his Malfeasance. Someone had to.

  • @derekscanlan4641
    @derekscanlan46414 жыл бұрын

    i bet, when the jury was selected, anyone with a musical background was rejected by plaintiff's council

  • @robertkennedy5414

    @robertkennedy5414

    4 жыл бұрын

    Which is ironic, because if one is entitled to a trial by a jury OF THEIR PEERS, be it a criminal or civil trial, then the jury should have been ENTIRELY COMPOSED OF PEOPLE WHO HAD AN UNDERSTANDING OF MUSICAL COMPOSITION.

  • @lorcan5989

    @lorcan5989

    4 жыл бұрын

    Robert Kennedy sound logic but in practice I think by peers they meant average civillians.

  • @goomyman23

    @goomyman23

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’m pretty sure they rejected anyone with a brain

  • @fwcolb

    @fwcolb

    4 жыл бұрын

    Spot on with that comment!

  • @richardpankow4714

    @richardpankow4714

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jurors that are informed on the subject are often weeded out. If a learned juror gets through selection, they could introduce defacto expert testimony neither side gets to examine as well as introduce facts not entered into evidence.

  • @birubu
    @birubu4 жыл бұрын

    "imagine if somebody owned a word" Example: "react"

  • @user-no7ir2hw1d

    @user-no7ir2hw1d

    4 жыл бұрын

    The shade @ the finebros

  • @headsgrowback1

    @headsgrowback1

    4 жыл бұрын

    There is a joint ownership of the word "superhero" by DC and Marvel.

  • @lwolfstar7618

    @lwolfstar7618

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ok i have one for you. Apple.

  • @CHIOTIS1821

    @CHIOTIS1821

    4 жыл бұрын

    deepweeb dive that’s much different than the word “react.” Droid is just a shortened version of the word “android,” and it is often associated with the Star Wars films.

  • @JackieG8991

    @JackieG8991

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kylie Jenner trying to the word Kylie

  • @pinberttube
    @pinberttube2 жыл бұрын

    Exposing dishonesty with name and surname. This guy has big balls.

  • @willamchester5895
    @willamchester58952 жыл бұрын

    "I hope that you were payed well, cause you kinda sold us all out on this." I got chills from that. That was a read. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @DrFunkman
    @DrFunkman4 жыл бұрын

    Can wait until UMG takes down your video where you defend them

  • @markopolo2224

    @markopolo2224

    4 жыл бұрын

    lmao

  • @markopolo2224

    @markopolo2224

    4 жыл бұрын

    they actually didn't for some reason

  • @FreshBagelz

    @FreshBagelz

    4 жыл бұрын

    This comment is fucking gold

  • @NoTraceOfSense

    @NoTraceOfSense

    4 жыл бұрын

    Everybody gangsta til this happens

  • @aaaaaahhh9537

    @aaaaaahhh9537

    4 жыл бұрын

    This fucking happened!!

  • @satansmaiden
    @satansmaiden4 жыл бұрын

    “Imagine if someone could own a word” Kim Kardashian: hold my Kimono

  • @greciafer27

    @greciafer27

    4 жыл бұрын

    What about The react brothers?

  • @SupraViperhead

    @SupraViperhead

    4 жыл бұрын

    Didn't Paris Hilton attempt to copyright "that's hot"? Pretty sure she was denied that the same reason this should've thrown out of court.

  • @jcgillin51

    @jcgillin51

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, there are several examples: Some sports announcers have a phrase that no one else can use and blacks have the "N" word. There are others, so you don't have to imagine.

  • @jayspot8894

    @jayspot8894

    4 жыл бұрын

    LOL

  • @royal3rabeats637

    @royal3rabeats637

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bitch

  • @huckwalton2307
    @huckwalton23073 жыл бұрын

    The biggest problem has always been, that lawmakers do not understand the nuances of the art industry. And though the assumption is that they will argue their case in a way that explains the nuances, we clearly end up with cases that set precedent in a really unfortunate way. A jury of your peers, we’re no one on the jury is expected to understand music theory.

  • @alinamarysam6059
    @alinamarysam60593 жыл бұрын

    This entire video reminded me of the similarity between the beginning part of 3Racha song Runners high and the NCT song Sit Down. I was just happy to hear that the similar tone could begin an entirely different song. Or the time Ateez used the exact same music to begin both Treasure and Precious. I referred to that example because to me, as just a lover of music, isn’t the beauty of music how just a few notes can sound similar but gives two completely different songs? I wish we would have more of a love for music and not money. I hope it’s not an issue that i used Kpop songs as examples, im just more familiar to it and hope people could relate. Again, I am not commenting kpop in a totally unrelated video, but with pure reference to a particular riff like in this video.

  • @Seltyk
    @Seltyk4 жыл бұрын

    "I hope you got paid well, because you kinda sold us all out" Boom.

  • @eggman615

    @eggman615

    4 жыл бұрын

    More like hope u got paid well cuz your toast lol

  • @hfoslayer6195

    @hfoslayer6195

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ya done now

  • @BoomYoutube

    @BoomYoutube

    4 жыл бұрын

    wundrweapon Boom.

  • @komorebi9635
    @komorebi96354 жыл бұрын

    "bruh you can't just own a sound" *copyrights the lick*

  • @Lonech

    @Lonech

    4 жыл бұрын

    oh god

  • @hansfranz8795

    @hansfranz8795

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm gonna copyright C4. Take that.

  • @Mirelter

    @Mirelter

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@hansfranz8795 I'm going to copyright the tambre of the human voice. You better not speak, or you're going to hear from my lawyers!

  • @tomkenning5482

    @tomkenning5482

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@hansfranz8795 I'm gonna copyright the concept of music

  • @CicadaAppreciationSociety

    @CicadaAppreciationSociety

    4 жыл бұрын

    I just copyrighted Eb11 so nobody can abuse it ever again.

  • @AwesomeAcoustics
    @AwesomeAcoustics3 жыл бұрын

    I was just listening to 20 Thousand Hertz' episode on music copyright and kept thinking "Man, Adam Neely would be such a good guest for this episode". It was a really nice surprise when you did show up, though it made sense when Dallas said the entire episode was inspired by this video :)

  • @LucasPerson
    @LucasPerson2 жыл бұрын

    for some reason I remember the 7th note in the synth for dark horse being a C

  • @100nujabes
    @100nujabes4 жыл бұрын

    The part where you "mistook" other songs for Katy Perry's was clever.

  • @kleeklee4572

    @kleeklee4572

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think he was also pointing out that a ton of songs use the same thing.

  • @miguelcanares2623

    @miguelcanares2623

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kleeklee4572 thats the point

  • @ItsAsparageese

    @ItsAsparageese

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, the second he did the first "Oh nope just kidding" I was like "Oh there are totally going to be several and this is going to be such a satisfying making of the point"

  • @biggiecheese2172

    @biggiecheese2172

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kleeklee4572 no shit Sherlock

  • @leeimabot2031

    @leeimabot2031

    4 жыл бұрын

    @ that's not being a smartass, it's just proving his point that Katy Perry shouldn't have lost the lawsuit

  • @josephblattert6311
    @josephblattert63114 жыл бұрын

    "Imagine a big corporate entity being able to own a word" Fine Bros: copyrights the word "react"

  • @Megalomaniakaal

    @Megalomaniakaal

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't it a trademark though? Pretty sure you can't copyright single words.

  • @ryanfoltz1276

    @ryanfoltz1276

    4 жыл бұрын

    You can copyright phrases. Firms do it all the time. They call em 'slogans'

  • @charonme

    @charonme

    4 жыл бұрын

    apparently you can own two words in the czech republic: www.google.com/search?q=upec+treba+zed

  • @scottbentley6663

    @scottbentley6663

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ryanfoltz1276 But those words & slogans are only copyright within specific and very limited fields. A slogan for a brand of kitchen cleaner, for example, could be used to advertise a car, without fear of infringement.

  • @officialclownbusiness7788

    @officialclownbusiness7788

    4 жыл бұрын

    "You're fired."

  • @Sexy2Limerick
    @Sexy2Limerick3 жыл бұрын

    Can you suggest literature on music theory? I have a basic Elementary understanding of classical theory and would like to advance in some way.

  • @photios4779

    @photios4779

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Open Textbook Library website hosted by the University of Minnesota hosts some open access (free) textbooks on music and music theory. Sites like Google Books and the Internet Archive host public domain books on all sorts of topics, including music theory. Since the foundations of music theory are still the same now as they were a century ago, searching these sites for old public domain books about the subject could be quite rewarding.

  • @taty1
    @taty12 жыл бұрын

    I learned a lot about music with just two of your video!! My respect in your knowledge and way of explaining what music really is!! Thanks 🙏

  • @raunakthakur317
    @raunakthakur3174 жыл бұрын

    Imagine Newton : I discovered gravity so don't use it OR pay me every time you use it

  • @jabir5768

    @jabir5768

    4 жыл бұрын

    tbh i d prefer if he didnt invent it

  • @Connor-N-Freeman

    @Connor-N-Freeman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Guess I'll fly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @MalteBroberg

    @MalteBroberg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jabir Fatah no you dont

  • @evillolipop2704

    @evillolipop2704

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jabir Fatah xD why do I feel like I’m the only one who new what you said was a joke?.

  • @Connor-N-Freeman

    @Connor-N-Freeman

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@evillolipop2704 Dont worry I've already posted this crap to r/wooosh

  • @asherbarnsdale5203
    @asherbarnsdale52034 жыл бұрын

    This guy should have been Katy Perry’s lawyer

  • @nicholasrevill6610

    @nicholasrevill6610

    4 жыл бұрын

    Asher Barnsdale he actually ended up being hired by media to represent those rights, and then got sued by the Katy Perry representatives

  • @keralis12

    @keralis12

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nicholasrevill6610 lmao what, for real?

  • @nicholasrevill6610

    @nicholasrevill6610

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@keralis12 yup, he did another video 2 months later explaining everything

  • @GoldenMaverick3

    @GoldenMaverick3

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nicholasrevill6610 What? Can you provide a link to that video/source please? Are you sure you aren't talking about the false copyright claim from Warner/Chappell? Because a copyright strike on KZread and a lawsuit are completely different things

  • @gillohner8179

    @gillohner8179

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@GoldenMaverick3 kzread.info/dash/bejne/fYFqupSGdc-dgps.html

  • @enyrtovsen3174
    @enyrtovsen31742 жыл бұрын

    As someone who doesn't make music, and can't sing or play an instrument this is giving me more anxiety than it should

  • @Bwadude
    @Bwadude2 жыл бұрын

    I was waiting to hear Art of Noise with that synth sound you were using

  • @cryogeneric
    @cryogeneric4 жыл бұрын

    I hope Katy's camp can appeal this ruling--and I'm not even a fan of hers. This is wrong.

  • @DonkeyOnAUnicycle

    @DonkeyOnAUnicycle

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Akilleus Did you even watch the video?

  • @stevenson720

    @stevenson720

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jesse3912 probably not

  • @weschilton

    @weschilton

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Akilleus, hey there you IGNORANT TROLL, you don't know what you are talking about. There is virtually nothing about these two songs that is alike other than that stupid descending minor line which is in MILLIONS of compositions all the way to the beginning of time. Its not original in the slightest. Nothing in pop music and especially nothing in rap is remotely original. Rap "music" is notorious for stealing as rap "artists" are the most musically ignorant people on the planet... next to you of course.

  • @midnmusic2217

    @midnmusic2217

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Akilleus Someone didn't watch the video

  • @yukiandkanamekuran

    @yukiandkanamekuran

    4 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, this sounds TOO MUCH like all those other cases I hear about people specifically damaging a really famous person to get money or get more fame.

  • @clintonb8384
    @clintonb83844 жыл бұрын

    I've copyrighted the note of B flat, so any song that has that note can and will be sued

  • @olianims

    @olianims

    4 жыл бұрын

    Shit, rip every middle school band

  • @clowneryAscended

    @clowneryAscended

    4 жыл бұрын

    Aww crap cant play my B flat clarinet anymore, guess I'll fail band

  • @Jenna-xl2bd

    @Jenna-xl2bd

    4 жыл бұрын

    No! My Bb concert scale warmup! (I don't know why I am attached to this but I am.) Also, no! My Bb clarinet! That means I can't play it! I shall fail and I cannot have that. Literally almost every song we play has Bb in it.

  • @kottonkandy0962

    @kottonkandy0962

    4 жыл бұрын

    You’ll never take my trombone alive!

  • @megan_lol65

    @megan_lol65

    4 жыл бұрын

    I love your profile 😂

  • @tonygairomusic911
    @tonygairomusic9113 жыл бұрын

    You are an encyclopedia, Adam. I learn something every time I watch your videos. And I'd like to think I know a thing or 2! Thank you for sharing your knowledge, information and insight. You are a force!

  • @monicamurray8256
    @monicamurray82562 жыл бұрын

    Adam - you totally nailed this! Thanks for posting!!