Spending tax payers money to build luxury accommodations that normal taxpayers cant afford? not surprised it was voted down.

@MrManfly

2 ай бұрын

Me neither and just for the record there's been a few lame threats here and there that if the Chiefs don't get the reno they want they'll move. Don't make me laugh ! The Chiefs are going absolutely NOWHERE !!

@chrisaustin9949

2 ай бұрын

I wonder how many people already think the Kansas City teams are in Kansas. After all, Kansas is in their name. The bluff probably makes no sense to many people.

@rushrush1209

2 ай бұрын

Kudos to them for voting it down. But a lot of cities have voted in favor of similar situations.

@CaptRR

2 ай бұрын

@matttim5095then maybe those 70,000 should pay for it.

@geraldstephens6612

2 ай бұрын

Recently, the Virginia State House voted down the proposal to build a $5 billion arena for the Washington Wizards & Mystics basketball team because the people in the proposed area didn't want it, embarrassing both the team owner & the Virginia governor.

If taxpayers pay for the stadium, admission should be free for the taxpayers

@_DB.COOPER

2 ай бұрын

Just like it is for your event and civic centers, like it is for your airports, military instillations and every other thing funded by taxpayers.

@EweToobUsername

2 ай бұрын

All we got was first dibs on overpriced season tickets.

@wolteraartsma1290

Ай бұрын

I really resented the Chiefs robo-calls with their message of "you own it, you need to ante up". If i own it, i expect you guys to vacate the field when i wanna do an after-work pick-up game.

These corporate subsidies need to stop.

The Hunt Family has more than enough money to upgrade the Stadium themselves, to ask for taxpayer dollars when your family is worth $24.8 billion dollars according to Forbes is just straight out slap in the Face to their loyal fans. Ridiculous Hunt Family.

@loganleroy8622

2 ай бұрын

Well, the Hunt Family doesn't own the stadium. The city owns the stadium, so the Hunt Family probably shouldn't be paying for upgrades if they don't own the stadium. Why does the city even need to own it?

@jorgecgonzalez9976

2 ай бұрын

@@loganleroy8622 Doesn't matter they are asking the city for 800mil and the Family is worth $24 billion, Please way to go Citizens of KC.

@loganleroy8622

2 ай бұрын

​@@jorgecgonzalez9976 I'm totally fine with the owners having to pay for upgrades to the stadium and not pushing it on the taxpayers, but the owners should then get to own the stadium, no? Also just because someone is "worth $24B" that doesn't mean they just have $24B lying around to spend. Most of the wealth is tied up in physical assets.

@henryca03

2 ай бұрын

Net worth doesn't equal liquid cash/assets; however, the NFL owners more likely than not have the liquid cash to pony up for the upgrades they desire rather than try to make the city, county, or state foot the bill.

@JTrientaYOcho

2 ай бұрын

And Clark Khunt doesn’t even live in the KC community. Telling us to continue with the tax until 2071, meanwhile he lives in Dallas.

People are tired of being taxed for spoiled millionaires. I’ll admit that when I was younger I was all for it. The voters of Kansas City should be commended.

@blueshattrick

2 ай бұрын

spoiled *Billionaires*

Not a shock. There's no reason to get rid of the K at the taxpayers expense. I love the K and I live in Minnesota...

@boogitybear2283

2 ай бұрын

If Wrigley and Fenway can last 100 years so can Kauffman.

@geebee6010

2 ай бұрын

@@boogitybear2283not the same thing for the football field

@Mrs.Doubtfire007

2 ай бұрын

Minneapolis here, but grew up in Omaha, with many family weekend trips to KC, so I still feel invested. I don't care about sports AT ALL, but glad this turned out the way it did because I'm a huge architecture fan & this football field is an outstanding, rare example of Mid-Cebtury Modern architecture.

@kc2dc444

2 ай бұрын

@@boogitybear2283 Wrigley and Fenway are in urban neighborhoods. If they were in a location like Kauffman, they would be long gone by now.

@ryanmclellan8740

2 ай бұрын

@@boogitybear2283 Kauffman is so beautiful. Old yes. And the location isn't ideal. But, it's a jewel IMO.

I live here and voted NO. In 2023 the county reassessed everyone's property and raised taxes 100-400 % ! These teams had the audacity to ask for money when we are all struggling to get by.

@co-bruh1423

2 ай бұрын

Same and same. Screw them. They can afford to write the check and send it to who they need to. Let em. And if they don’t, they don’t.

@carlfromtheoc1788

2 ай бұрын

People laugh at California (and rightly so sometimes) but we have a Proposition system where propositions get put on the ballot and if approved get voted into law. In the late 70s Proposition 13 was passed and it caps how much property taxes can be raised year to year - the cap is 2% if memory serves. n Every now and again greedy cash junkie politicians try and overturn it but the people are just smart enough to see through it and have maintained it.

I'm glad it failed. Downtown real estate is way too precious to devote to an already existing team just a short drive away.

The Hunt family is worth $25billion. The $800mil renovations are just 3% of that.

@theMick52

2 ай бұрын

IF it was for a football stadium, the vote would be unanimous! They'd start construction next week!

Tax payers are tired of getting fleeced by rich sports teams.

Most sports fans in Kansas City are happy with the current stadiums for the Royals & Chiefs. The Royals & Chiefs might just stay in the current location.

@Superpatchcat

2 ай бұрын

I think the Chiefs will ultimately stay but the Royals have made it clear they're moving downtown regardless. Something will get worked out.

@lashlarue59

2 ай бұрын

@@Superpatchcat Think about what you said. The billionaire class wants their way and they will have their way no matter what the democratic vote says. So the will of 100's of 1000's of people in Jackson Country doesn't mean shit if 1 billionaire wants their money to pay his bills. So much for democracy and we have the nerve to call the Russians and Chinese oligarchs.

Taxpayers should not be supporting sports facilities with billionaire owners and players making sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars. Crony capatalism. Let the free market decide stadiums and salaries not taxpayers.

@theMick52

2 ай бұрын

The Royals are NOT owned by a billionaire! It's Kansas City!

Why in the world are taxpayers expected to pay for a stadium for millionaires to play for billionaires and charge the “people” extremely expensive prices. Taxpayers should never pay for stadiums.

At the turn of the century, we voted against stadiums and arena public funding… Twice! We got two stadiums (PNC and Heinz Field) and two arenas (Consol and Peterson Events). Politicians don’t care about people, only their legacy.

As someone from the Kansas City area, there are a few reasons that really resonate with me. They didn't really have a plan except to put it in an area that is already congested, and full of business that is just ramping up after the area was in a big slump. The parking down there would have been just terrible if there were more than one event. Also, the perceived threat is just something that most people in the area don't believe. Kansas vs. Missouri is not as big of thing as it once was, we have the T-Bones and Sporting KC and they do simply fine in KCK. OH!

@wolfen216

2 ай бұрын

this big this. No plan for any improvements for the common man getting into and out of downtown. Sure we get the streetcar but thats a joke toy. This just had bully and ram rod tactics all over it to me. And the chiefs renovations were all just for the rich man too. LIke great more expensive seats that take away the experience from the person trying to hang out with fellow fan's.

@devinmackey83

2 ай бұрын

IO!

No more public money for stadiums. Especially with how expensive it’s gotten for attending and how much they overrate the benefits to the local economy. Stadiums can exist for a lot longer than owners pretend they can, they don’t need replacing every 20 years or so. Kauffman is over 50 and it’s still extremely nice and the fans like it.

The Royals don't need a new stadium. Kauffman was always one of my favorites because of its beauty.

Because taxpayer money shouldn't be used to support billionaire owners sports stadiums. What are the Chiefs going to do??? Move As in out of the Kansas City area.

@loganleroy8622

2 ай бұрын

Well they don't own the stadium, the city owns the stadium. Also if they move they'll just move to Kansas.

I live here in Jackson County and I eod love a new stadium here even if it's downtown but don't try and tax us for it. Spend your own money

Being a KC resident, your explanations are right on target.

With all the success the Chiefs have had, surely they have money to pay for renovations

@zachg9065

2 ай бұрын

they do

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia

2 ай бұрын

Yep, Clark Family is one of the richest owners in the NFL.

Kauffman and arrowhead are top 10 stadiums as is. Great historic venues.

No surprise. In 2024, people are sick of giving billionaires hand outs, with all profits going to the billionaires and not the people footing the bill. All of these guys can build their own stadiums

@lashlarue59

2 ай бұрын

That's privatising the profits while you socialize the risks. It's the same attitude behind bank bailouts and corporate bailouts that ultimately its the taxpayers responsibility to ensure the wealth and opulent lifestyle of some of the richest people in the world.

Billionaires spending your money to enrich themselves.

Felt like blackmail. Pay once and it will never stop. If the owners don’t appreciate the fans then who needs them.

Oh people definitely care if the stadiums move to Kansas. All we wanted was a solid plan and for them to come to the table with an honest deal and not get greedy. The people own the stadiums so you better have a damn good plan if you want us to ditch them for a new one

@SHUB281

2 ай бұрын

No. We don't. Kansas can subsidize them for 40 years. We've got bigger problems here in Jackson County

I'm in Cleveland today n tomorrow to visit progressive field... I went and looked at the old walkway over the tracks to the football stadium that I saw in your videos.. It seems like a relic from a different time but probably did help people flow. Thanks for the videos.

@someperson3883

2 ай бұрын

Wish I could have saw the eclipse

The biggest problem was they were sharing the tax yet the Royals by moving downtown were decoupling themselves from the Chiefs so a lot of people didn’t like that. It was one thing to pay when BOTH were at the Truman Sports Complex but once the Royals decided to go downtown that made them sharing the money a sore point. Another problem was they’re RUSHED it. There was NO REASON they couldn’t take there time and had put it on the August ballot. And being rushed they didn’t negotiate right and didn’t planned quickly enough.

@oubrioko

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@CJColvin

2 ай бұрын

Exactly mate

Always enjoy the content, thank you for your work!

Baseball is loaded with millionaires... wtf should I subsidize a private business with tax money. Besides Kauffman is in a great location!!!!!! Easy in easy out and on I-70 in no time flat.

They'll be back. KC without the KC Chiefs would just be weird. We're well past that Dallas Texans era.

PEOPLE DONT HAVE MONEY 💵 in these DARK TIMES 🔥🥃‼️ PAY 💰 ENOUGH TAXES

The roads and bridges in KC are in horrible shape. They need the money.

I’m still mad at the fact both Turner Field and the Georgia Dome were replaced.

@sominboy2757

2 ай бұрын

to think turner field was specifically built and renovated to prevent Olympic stadium in Montreal and it only lasted 19 years

Other reasons the vote failed : 1. More people have figured out that spending 100's of millions and billions of taxpayer cash on sports stadiums is a bad deal for all but involved elites. And 2. Chiefs officials, including their team President, all but called out potential voters prior to them casting. Which is a terrible and arrogant idea.

They have the money without using taxpayers money. Then they can have to hire a contractor for the stadiums and do the remodeling themselves without using the taxpayers money.

This was a well-researched video. I have a hard time believing that continuing a 3/8 sales tax was going to be enough to get the job done. Usually, these cities get hoodwinked into paying millions more and for many more years than expected to see these stadium projects through. It just seemed to good to be true. The biggest problem is that people love the K the way it is.

It's about time tax payers not being SUCKERS for the wealthy. I hope people in Nevada wake the fuck up and tell the Oakland Athletics to take a hike! NO MORE CORPORATE WELFARE FOR BILLIONAIRES!!!!

@muddobber6863

2 ай бұрын

The people in Nevada don't get a say, it's all politicians spending someone else's money.

When the Reds and Bengals passed their stadium referendum back in the mid-90s, Hamilton County got stuck with the bill that they're still paying off. The amount money the loan repayments took up had been crippling to the County's finances until they finally managed to refinance the thing several years ago. If your voters pay any sort of attention to the impact that paying off loans and whatnot can have, especially in an era of higher interest rates, your community will take a hard pass on public financing. The money that could go to schools, fire and police departments, road repairs, etc. will instead be sucked away by the sports venues.

I, as a St. Louie, am very grateful that KC’s stadium ballot got denied. If approved, KC would ask MO state tax dollars - including STL - to pony up a $700M gap. STL “IS NOT” KC’s financial slave after STL did their best with their $1.1B NFL riverfront stadium to keep the NFL LAMBS, but they moved in 2016 regardless (voted to move by Chiefs owner Clark Hunt). I suggest that KC owners should pay for it themselves, or take their teams & be gone. Tax payers should not be involved in stadium spending for rich snobs just to see them play for glory. I learned SLC, UT “already” approved their MLB DT ballpark in their Power District. If Royals owner John Sherman preferred a DT ballpark over the county & KC can’t afford it, then he should check that city out. If it meets his desire, then this is it for the Royals. Could face the same fate as the Athletics, moving to LV. Remember, it’s the billionaires, not the fans. STL felt the same way after that rich crook - who denied the NFL bylaws to get whatever he wants - moved his team to his Taj Mahal stadium in LA (despite that $790M settlement). I’m afraid it might happen to the Royals, because I can tell Sherman would refuse to pay more than 50% of stadium spending in DTKC, neither would he return to Kauffman. Besides, Hunt wants the K demolished for his renovation for Arrowhead. And Royals’ move to either DTKC, SLC, or other is the only solution to Hunt’s desire. If not, then he too could move the Chiefs somewhere else.

I voted no. The Royals owner was asking voters to tear down a perfectly good, beautiful stadium and build a new one in a congested area with no parking. This would allow him to develop the area around the stadium and make more money. Does this sound like a good reason to keep paying a tax for the next 40 years?

But the reason why this failed is because of the Royals. The Royals had decided they wanted to put the stadium at The Crossroads, which is an arts district. In order to do so, they’d have to knock down a bunch of businesses and no one was in support of that. Also, they aren’t in the burbs. They’re considered to be in KC. Losing either or both teams would be a hit for Missouri. But the economic loss of them moving to a KC suburb like Overland Park doesn’t outweigh displacing the amount of businesses they were playing to get rid of. Or at least it doesn’t make sense to uproot all of those businesses, even though Missouri would lose money.

@CJColvin

2 ай бұрын

If they wanted to put a new Royals stadium 🏟 in downtown KCMO then they should put it where all the unused parking lots are at so that way it can downtown while not destroying all the unique buildings and neighborhoods in Downtown Kansas City Missouri and still stays in Missouri as well.

These teams are making billions of $$$. If they want a new house to play in, do what everyone else has to do. Get a loan and pay the mortgage. Many people aren’t aware, if no one showed up to watch a game, the owners would still make a profit. That’s all sports but the NHL. Rich people crying poor is getting old.

because the vote was left to the people rather than the state or city governments.

Don't give billionaires tax funding!

Concrete, lol. Pun intended!

Las Vegas Athletics??? Are you serious??? Let the Vegas taxpayers decide!!!

Solid video!

Why aren’t these taxpayer funded options structured as loans? Referendums might pass if the club is forced to pay back with interest any tax money thats used.

Hi, Eastern Jackson County voter here. Royals don’t give us a consistent product outside of 90+ loss seasons and the Chiefs make more than enough on overpriced parking (on a taxpayer-owned parking lot), ticket sales, and the money they already get from the last tax.

As a San Diego Charger fan who voted for that stadium. Thanks for bring up an old wound❤️‍🩹

@someperson3883

2 ай бұрын

How well do you think the Chargers would do fan wise if the moved back to San Diego in a stadium with normal NFL capacity?

@ll4680

2 ай бұрын

@@someperson3883 They won’t move back and Im okay with that now. The chargers just spent $300 million on a brand new state of the art headquarters and practice facility in LA, they ain’t leaving lol. Im still a fan and go to games in LA but a lot of people have completely abandoned them in SD.

@someperson3883

2 ай бұрын

@@ll4680 Makes sense

@kingmo8789

2 ай бұрын

​@@ll4680 I think that it was really stupid for Dan Spanos to move the Chargers out of San Diego to LA where he couldn't use his money to build a new stadium

Great Video! Thank you. I live in St Louis... how does the St Louis Kansas City Chiefs sound to ya?

@amazingeric97

2 ай бұрын

St Louis lost two NFL teams. Does St Louis really wants a third try at the NFL? Still I believe the Chiefs & Royals stay in their current location in Kansas City.

@rollinwithunclepete824

2 ай бұрын

@@amazingeric97 it was.... a joke

@archstanton6102

2 ай бұрын

You could have the St Kansas Chiefs or Louis City or Missouri Chiefs?

@boogitybear2283

2 ай бұрын

I’m still waiting for the Jaguars to move to St.Louis. Jacksonville sucks most overrated city. Hell, Florida sucks.

Only place in society where asking the less fortunate to flip the bill for the more fortunate to become even more fortunate is acceptable. Rest his soul Joe Robbie in 1987 built the current Hard Rock Stadium here in Miami with his money when all owners were robbing their cities or other cities in the case of the Browns moving to Baltimore, Colts moving to Indianapolis before that... Etc... RIP Joe Robbie you legend!

One reason you did not mention is that quite a few of us are perfectly happy with Kauffman Stadium. Even though it is the fifth oldest MLB stadium (and will move up to fourth as soon as the Athletics transfer to Vegas), it is still one of the best places to watch a game, it has plenty of parking, and its location at the intersection of two major highways [I-70 and I-435] makes it easy to get to from all parts of the metro (which would most definitely NOT be true about a downtown stadium).

wasnt even a tax hike, a yes vote would have kept things the way they are. no vote lowers taxes. they both thought it was a no brainer since the chiefs just won a super bowl

Kansas City actually stradles the stateline (and there is a street named stateline that actually is the state line between MO and KS.). KCMO and KCK are 2 separate cities that if you didn't know, you'd never realized you went from one to the other. And yeah, I don't think the fans give a damn which side of the line you're on. I have friends there andthe truman sports complex is not that far away from where they live in KCK... I also agree, it just appears that teams are spending money to just spend someone else's money... another factor.. SoFi stadium.. built with 100% private funding.. in LA... if it can be done there, it can be done everywhere.

3/8th of cent can really add up, my little city of 8,000 collects 2 cents on taxable sales collects $1 million a month which is unreal to me

The bulk of the cost of the Arrowhead reno was a causeway bridge connecting the upper half and heating on that.

@forgottenplaces9780

2 ай бұрын

Idk about that, there were a large number or elements to it, enclosed concourses, large luxury area etc, a pedestrian bridge like that cost 200 mil at most imo and thats on the high side

My mother lives in KC. She AND my uncle both voted no.

Lack of stadium plans for Oakland-Nevada "A" and SW Florida Rays is showing the public taxpayers' attitudes for subsidizing billionaire owners and millionaire players is waning. There are relatively few metro areas left that have the appetite and economic dynamism to support a(nother) NFL or MLB team so the bluff to move to Nashville or San Antonio is getting called.

3:11 good point about these schemes getting rejected at the ballot box. The 9ers got cheap development loans from the city of Santa Clara by essentially bribing council members. Ditto for the Raiders and Clark County, NV, and the A's and the Nevada legislature. At least in the case of the Raiders, there was decent public support for funding the move in Vegas.

Think about it this way. How many people would like to be forced to pay for someone’s go fund me account so an already wealthy family can more easily afford travel and food expenses during their child’s travel baseball season?

Jackson Co Missouri taxpayers are also sick of paying extra taxes for attractions, that Johnson Co Kansas residents come over and enjoy for free. Same thing happens in STL with all the east side losers coming over from Illinois.

I have a dozen or so friends in KC. Not a single one voted yes. Even the fans said no. We are entering an era where people are done lining billionaire pockets.

Opinions are like noses, everyone has them. Your reasons are solid; howeve, I remembered an old bur true axiom-" If youvare not part of the solution, you are part of the problem". How true. Do many professionals and amateurs are very quick to point out the problems, but I have only seen a few with suggestions to improve the situation or solve the problems. Again, I hope cooler heads prevail and both teams remain in Kansas City, a good place to live and raise a family if you are willing to be a patt of a joint effort.😊

@josephhanes6402

2 ай бұрын

This is spot on. I hate to say it but if they came back with a better pan, which is unlikely, people would find new issues to shake their fist at. And just like you said, nobody could actually say what was wrong with the plan other than it would have displaced a few small businesses. Nobody cared about the Crossroads until a month ago but people have watched these teams for generations. I think it's obvious what the bigger loss would be and which would be harder to replace. But apparently everyone in KC is now a small art gallery loving hipster who spends their weekends drinking IPAs in the Crossroads.

It is messed up how the taxpayers have to foot the bill for billionaires and we do not get anything back except higher taxes and awful traffic on game days. I laughed when Virginias governors deal with the Caps and Wizards went bust. That would have been 5 billion to the taxpayers and how many of them would even get to go to games. You want a new palace to your ego you foot the bill for it

Hunt family is worth $26 Billion. They can pay for it themselves.

Missouri taxpayers have already shelled out a chunk of change 20 years ago when the crybaby St. Louis Cardinals tore down a perfectly good stadium to build a smaller stadium along with higher ticket prices and elimination of the cheap seat section of the old stadium. After the Cardinalls got their $480 million gift another $250 million got doled out to the Chiefs/Royals to make them feel better. Sports is just sport. Circus and bread. We have to start focusing on what counts. Our national debt is out of control, we have severe inflation, people can't afford housing, etc. Not to mention their are finally realizing that they voted for a lot of sales tax increases and it's time for them to come down. Finally...Kansas City is leading the way for the nation to start lowering taxes.

If Kansas is dumb enough to throw $1.5 billion at the Chiefs for a domed stadium, more power to them..The Royals might find a local city willing to spend some money on them out of pity. If they'd actually win, they might be more attractive. I remember when they won the World Series, that shows how old I am. Misty water colored memories...

@ZeRo-bx7lp

2 ай бұрын

Can't believe 2015 was 50 years ago man

@loganleroy8622

2 ай бұрын

They'll just take the tax revenue from sports gambling and throw it at the Chiefs. That would be more than enough for most people just to one up the people of Missouri.

Why? Because tax payers don't want to foot the bill that millionaires and billionaires should be paying.

Things sucking for the average person and people wonder why they did not vote to extend a tax that only benefits a billionaire? Some folks are waking up to the fact that if your team is in a hot market, you can say no to public money going to it and the billionaire owners will foot the bill. Los Angeles is a good example of this in regards to SoFi stadium.

As one of the voters here, I will say that a very large number of people including myself viewed this as a referendum on the proposed new location for a Royals stadium. The proposed new location is an absolutely terrible one for a ballpark. I think they could've succeeded if they'd said they wanted a new stadium in the same location/area. The proposed new location is an absolutely horrible choice in every way. I've never heard anyone opposed to the Arrowhead/GEHA stadium upgrades.

I'm a Royals and Chiefs fan. I didn't want a new baseball stadium, The Kay is important to us, and the Chiefs renovation was a equally lousy plan. Because of this we may loose both our teams.

Also kc is in both states We were angry about paying for it and did not want to change the crossroads art district

Add: KC's been on stadium-building spree. What is now SPRINT Arena was started while the city was paying off the American Royal, Then there was the Bi-State II taxation disaster. Then the urgent need for a soccer arena. Whatever other schemes

A lot of people complain about it online but its dumb. Theyre the New York CITY Giants and Jets, not New York STATE, and East Rutherford is a suburb of NYC, cities can have suburbs in neighboring states

@kingmo8789

2 ай бұрын

Why couldn't they build the stadium IN New York STATE instead of New Jersey?

@great-one0389

2 ай бұрын

@@kingmo8789 NYC just didn't have the space for it. nYC does have some suburbs in upstate NY and Long Island(also in New York), but that may not be as central of a location, and again, they're all suburbs of NYC no matter the state they're in

The biggest reason is residents of eastern Jackson county are absolutely scared to death of ever going downtown. It's why they live out there.

Not here in Arlington, Texas. The sheep voted to continue a sales tax that was supposed to be retired after paying off the Cowboys Stadium. But they marketed it as no "new" taxes. It was a lie. It was a new tax. A tax that benefited the wealthy billionaire owners. Sure Arlington gets a lot of sales tax from visitors to their stadiums/Six Flags. Guess who pays that sales tax every day? Us residents here in Arlington. Then the new stadium looks like a Home Depot. The owners are capitalists all the way, but have no problem dipping into the trough of corporate welfare. You can't make this stuff up!

I pray that the KC Stadiums NEVER move. The location is PERFECT. Easy on and off I-70 - near the Airport and best of all you can get the F out / on your way easily.

I don't understand why teams want to move back in to city centers. They moved to the outskirts years ago for a reason. Get away from cramped areas and traffic.

Food/sales taxes are unnecessarily hard on the poor.

Both KC teams stadiums have plenty of room to build an entire new stadium if they actually needed it. On their current site.

Heres an idea. Get the multi billionaire Hunt Family to pay for it

Who cares if teams move anymore. Television is the NFL's best customer. Only 70 or 80,000 can see the game live, millions more on TV. Start times are determined and changed by TV. Local allegiances are becoming a thing of the past. 200 million taxpayers in the metro area are expected to pay for a stadium that only 75,000 can use. Let ESPN pay for it.

There is no parking anywhere near where the Royals wanted to build the stadium. Given that an average ticket to a Chiefs game is over $400 these days, they can spend their own money to fix Arrowhead. The Hunt family has already threatened to move, and that would be horrible for the Chiefs. The only places the Chiefs could move to would be Austin or San Antonio, the only other large city without a team is San Diego, and they just voted down a stadium for the Chargers a few years ago.

Didn't the taxpayers of Jackson County pay for arrowhead and royals stadium in the early 70's there is not a lot of people around to ask that remember

This guy is exactly right about the Royals, and exactly wrong about the Chiefs!

At the end of the day, it isn't that the people of Kansas City don't want to pay for their stadium, or that we haven't already been paying basically the same tax already. The issues are that in the current economic climate, especially in Kansas City/Jackson County, the common person cannot afford to keep paying it AND still be okay financially (both now and over the next 20-ish years the tax was extended for) because the common person in KC is struggling right now and it doesn't look like its going to get exceedingly better before the tax extension is done. Whereas, the almost $25 BILLION Hunt family could finance the entire (mostly luxury-end) renovation and would probably have their money fully back withing, generously, a single decade at most? THAT'S why the people said "No".

Not a tax payer dime should go to any professional team stadium or facilities

Common sense here. These are tough inflation times. The average guy cannot afford to go to these games. Here is a business owned by a billionaire employing millionaire employees. I think it's insensitive timing for them to ask during tough times.

I think no voters had very good reasons to vote no on this issue. Both teams presented lackluster plans to the public…but they also did that the last time this tax extension vote passed in 2008. The 2008 plan had a rolling roof and a hotel, but those were scrapped in the weeks leading up to the vote. The vote still passed 54-46. However, I think Jackson County voters are playing with fire here. This now untethers the Royals and Chiefs from Jackson County and the half a billion dollars in revenue they bring in each year. This also affects the tourism tax that is currently funding T-Mobile Center. Yes, it was a big time rebuke of billionaire owners, but it was also a county shortsightedly voting against its own interests.

You will hear those in favor of the move cite various reasons why it didn't pass, the main reason was the overall lack of transparency of the deal. (The no new taxes part isn't completely true.)

Because people that make thousands, do not want to pay for a stadium that millionaires play in and a billionaire owns. I know the Hunt family does not own the stadium but you get the point.

Sherman is a land developer. He wants to build a downtown stadium. Pretty easy to connect the dots.

Ask St. Louis how they like paying for an empty NFL stadium. The upgrades mean nothing to those who can't afford to use them, so skip that. The most upsetting to me is the care of the players. Hunt is all butt hurt about the dismal grade he received then rolls all of it into one ball to piggyback with Kaufman and wonders why it won't pass.

Well, the reason why it’s a big deal why the Chiefs moving to Kansas is such a big deal is because Missouri would lose their part in the sports revenue by the NFL for housing Arrowhead, and all that money would go to Kansas instead.

Speaking for myself here, but the K is already a great stadium and can continue to be a great stadium for years. I opposed them moving for that reason but also the fact that they would displace business and churches downtown to build the stadium. Not to mention that it is already a traffic nightmare sometimes going downtown and parking downtown can also be a hassle when you have multiple theaters, the Power & Light entertainment district and the T-mobile Center all in the same area.

Good points!

I still think if it was just the Chiefs on the ballot it would have passed, not by much but passed anyway. The Royals fumbled this whole situation so hard.

A few points: 1) The Truman Sports Complex is hardly in what most would call a "the suburbs" and is within the city limits. Just sayin... 2) It was a new tax. The bill would rescind the previous 3/8% sales tax approved in 2006 to pay for renovations. That tax was to last 25 years and expire in 2031. The new tax would last for 40 years. The renovations (completed in 2009) that we're still paying for only lasted 15 years apparently. 3) You can almost guarantee that IF a new stadium were built, it would require renovations before that 40-year tax term was up so it would be a permanent tax at best. 4) The time to hit the people up for a new stadium tax was 2016-2020. The team and the economy were in better shape. Second-to-worst in the AL on top of inflation is a hard sell.