WHY the hype on SPC Upper Control Arms? | Vehicle Alignments EXPLAINED!
CLARIFICATION: The positive and negative caster on the page refers to the upper control arm adjustment. This means that moving the upper control arm joint as close to the car and the lower control arm joint as far away from the car would provide the greatest caster from the body mount. By placing the upper and lower joints as far forward, this provides the greatest tire clearance with the least dramatic caster.
Alignment terminology I found to be pretty confusing at first and understanding the geometry to realize why certain control arms were advantageous was also complex. Check out the video, I try to unpack that a bit!
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GREAT VIDEO!!! your hand drawn pics are very easy to understand. Video clarity was perfect. You are very well spoken and clear with describing what's going on. Keep up the great videos. happy trailing.
@OverlandEngineer
10 ай бұрын
I appreciate it! I would say that a lot of people on Facebook groups have been having issues with SPCs. They may have some bad batches. Something to consider but they have good customer service as far as I can tell
Can you film the camber adjustment via the SPC UCA ball joints during the alignment process. I also have cam eliminator plates installed and set to max positive caster. NO ONE wants to touch the SPC unless it’s an off-road shop. But I’ve even brought my truck to an off-road shop and they couldn’t properly alignment it. I’ve spent so much money on alignments alone and still haven’t found a shop that can do it. Been doing it myself with the old string method and eyeballing the camber.
Dude thank you so much I was running a more basic setup with my SPC’s. I’m upgrading to OME BP51’s I’m super excited to see how it all feels! Thanks again dude
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
No problem!
@darthtyranus7683
2 жыл бұрын
Positive/ negative custard 🍮
Hey man, older video I know, but which setting did you end up using on the SPC's after the alignment to fit the bigger tires?
The camber adjustment, is it recomended 0 degree adjusment even the rear side? Thanks
What people have to remember, is caster is basically opposite on the uca vs lca.. generally most people consider that positive caster will move the tire away from the firewall or towards the front of the vehicle. That's why the instructions show the front of the vehicle with an arrow. So to move the tire further away from the firewall, you need to adjust the uca towards negative caster, if you are trying to clear larger tired etc.
@wOhtest
Жыл бұрын
No necessarily. In this specific application if you push your caster towards negative you will end up having to BMC. Instead if you push it towards positive caster you can just relocate the front fender and cut on the bottom just a little bit.
@6point1hemi
Жыл бұрын
@@wOhtest you have it wrong. If you want maximum clearance you need to max out the caster on the lower control arm and then set the SPC to the negative caster (e,f or g). That will move the tire forward.
@wOhtest
Жыл бұрын
Did you really watch the video? “To maximize our caster, you can see it on this paper here we need to orient our plate like this: so in configuration “A” here, this is how the plate is setup”.
Will these fit a 2013 ram RT?
I have mines set at F and running 34’s
I have a question, my alignment tech said I was maxing out my tie rod ends. I lifted the truck another inch and will bring it in soon for another alignment. What can I do to the caster or camber adjustments to gain back some threads on the tie rod?
@Silent_sniper132
11 ай бұрын
May have to look at getting a tundra rack swapped in worst case scenario
After months of research, I'm going with these UCA's.
@OverlandEngineer
10 ай бұрын
Watch my updated video.
Are the SPC UCA good recommendation for a 3rd generation Tacoma running 2.75 Icon Coilovers?
@OverlandEngineer
Жыл бұрын
Lots of people run them on tacomas! Especially to help clear 35s. You can also carry extra parts super easily
mine for a. 2016 chysler 300 C rwd didn't come with the side washers
How does the caster change the driving characteristics? I’ve had my SPC’s on for a while in the 0° D Caster position but have considered adjusting for better handling. Never really understood that so just set it to 0° when installing.
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Apparently if it’s too high, then you sometimes can steer as easily. But I think if it’s 0-4+ caster, then you probably won’t even notice. Most modern cars the stock spec is 1-2+ caster.
@AidanKemp213
2 жыл бұрын
@@OverlandEngineer Got it thanks. Do you also know if a bad ball joint on the UCA’s could contribute to a clunking noise when off-road? I’ve got Dobinson suspension paired with the SPC’s and recently have noticed a clunking over bumps but can’t pinpoint it. Everything is torqued to spec and regularly greased with ~30k miles over the past year since install. I’ve heard older SPC ball joints have had premature issues and all looks good but I have no idea where this noise is coming from.
@Alan-qw4ne
Жыл бұрын
@@AidanKemp213 Front body mount bushings. Thank me later
@BrentRivers
Жыл бұрын
@@AidanKemp213 just had to replace both upper balls on my SPC's, but I also had LCA bushing that were shot. Not until I replaced all did the "clunking" go away.
Are these overkill for trying to fit 285’s on a Tacoma with 2.5inch lift ?
@jkonquer3853
7 ай бұрын
Yes.
How are they best adjusted with no lift? I needed new UCAs for inspection and intend to lift in the future.
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
They have a zero, zero setting. That’s probably stock. I’d just quick give them a call to verify
@fluffymarksman777
2 жыл бұрын
@@OverlandEngineer Awesome thanks! I never thought to call them. Thank you!
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
@@fluffymarksman777 yeah they have helpful customer service!
Positive caster doesn’t help you fit larger tires. Adding caster on the LCA moves the tire forward, but then you’ll have too much, so you use an UCA to subtract some caster and bring it back into spec. So since this video is about the UCA, your talking point should be how to restore correct caster with a UCA by setting it to a negative setting.
So which setting would be best to clear 34’s ? More towards A or G? I was told less caster and move the tire up?
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
I’d say A. More positive caster aka going from +2 to +4 should help move the tire forward!
@Yoman1971
2 жыл бұрын
Have you measured how much forward? Like maybe 1/2” or more? Be interesting to know… Thks. Very good info. Best
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
@@Yoman1971 that would be super interesting. I wish I was good friends with a shop that had an alignment rack. That would help me find that.
@myleshebert2885
2 жыл бұрын
Actually setting G will increase tire clearance the most. Only adding caster through the lower control arm adjusters will increase clearance. This is greatly misunderstood.
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
@@myleshebert2885 Setting G will push the top point of the spindle forward rocking the hub back toward the truck. That basically undoes moving your lower as far forward as you can. Because stock spec is +2 deg caster with the lower and stock UCA. With the upper set to +2, then overall is +4 caster.
Are the spc upper ball joints stronger than icon or total chaos? Stronger meaning last longer off road?
@JoeMNPT
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it. I have a few thousand miles on mine and my bushings are bad. I’ve read a ton from others who have similar experience. Same thing with ball joints… many people have bad BJs in a few thousand miles
@saagim123
Жыл бұрын
@JoeMNPT great..... what's the best option to make overland last 10+ years
@JoeMNPT
Жыл бұрын
@@saagim123 hard to say. I just ordered some JBAs this morning to replace my SPCs. There are a ton of options out there though. If you don’t have a lift honestly I’d just go OEM. But, I assume you have a lift. Ironmans might be a good option… I had those on my last rig with an Ironman lift. Total chaos I’ve heard have tendency to make noise due to their ball joint. Not sure on icons. But, there’s dobinsons, dirt king, old man emu, freedom off road, etc etc etc. Hard to say on longevity I guess. I’d stay away from SPCs though.
@saagim123
Жыл бұрын
@JoeMNPT yea not alot of lift just omg with 883s I believe and have alot of popping going on now with new oem ball joints gana try the same as you its just so hard to spend a grand and hope it lasts
@JoeMNPT
Жыл бұрын
@@saagim123 yeah. I’ve rebuilt my entire front end… UCAs, LCAs, inner and outer tie rods, rack and pinion, sway bar links and bushings… and I’m having clunking now. I was digging around yesterday as I’ve been suspicious of the SPCs and I grabbed my passenger arm and could hear play when I was pulling on it. Talked to SPC yesterday and they’re sending me new arms but they don’t even have any right now, so I have to wait. Go figure. But I already have different arms coming. JBAs were only 500… might want to look into them.
Ive had nothing but problems with SPC ball joints
@OverlandEngineer
Жыл бұрын
I’m starting to have problems as well…I’ll be talking about this soon
Dobinson UCA vs SPC UCA?
@OverlandEngineer
9 ай бұрын
Dobinsons Billet UCA
Spindle is connected to UCA, LCA, AXLE, and STEERING TIE ROD not just the UCA. Did no one else catch that? lol
@OverlandEngineer
Жыл бұрын
If I actually said that I misspoke, that would probably be one of the dumbest claims out there if I said it was only the UCA. I’ve talked about this stuff in other videos so I presume that was a talking error
@guambomber448
Ай бұрын
I don’t think you said that but that’s kind of what the drawing communicated
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The way you explained this with the directions upside down is unnecessarily confusing.
Have the bushings failed yet? They will
@OverlandEngineer
Жыл бұрын
The bushings or ball joint?
@bryanmanning5726
Жыл бұрын
@@OverlandEngineer both lol
@OverlandEngineer
Жыл бұрын
@@bryanmanning5726 lol, I’ve got a video coming…I’m switching.
“A is negative” and “G is positive”
I have about 25000 km's on mine and the bushings are shot. Pretty sure the ball joints are worn out too. Exactly what everyone says will happen. I wish I had known how garbage SPC was before I bought them. Currently purchasing some JBA's now. I highly recommend against getting SPC's. Other than some light logging road driving I basically only drove them on pavement. There's a reason a lot of distributors wont even carry SPC anymore... not worth the hassle dealing with all the angry customers.
The only downside I can see is due to the political environment. Unless parts for these UCAs are made here, should an embargo be put in place against China, if it invades Taiwan, then getting parts unique to the SPC will become a problem.
@OverlandEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe so but I think UCAs will be the least of our worries as far as sourcing items…
These are crap with mass failures on the bushings and ball joints including mine. Stop recommending them
@OverlandEngineer
Жыл бұрын
This video was posted over a year ago. I have since made an update video.
@thisthat5874
11 ай бұрын
Mine went to shit in under 6 months - what did you end up going with instead?
your lack of mechanical knowledge is exposed by the words you use to explain things.
@OverlandEngineer
10 ай бұрын
Pretty empty critique without any examples or constructive feedback…