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The MX-5 cup comes with SADEV Sequential now too, since '21 I think

@bobtuiliga8691

10 ай бұрын

I don't think he knows the difference between Spec Miata and MX-5 Cup :(

@gnarlybland2555

10 ай бұрын

Definitely doesn’t. But then again he doesn’t know much about many other vehicles either. 😅

$125k for this does not sound like a great value to me. You could buy an MX5 Cup car and a GR86 road car for the price of this thing. Or, a GR86, Mx5 AND a spec NA miata + tires for the season

@carscoffeeandcannabis-634

10 ай бұрын

Or, hear me out. You could get a flight to Europe, a Caterham Academy racecar (which is WAY cooler), an entire race season, room and board, a flight back.... And still have enough left over to get a GR86 I know where I'd spend my money!

@papa_pt

10 ай бұрын

​@@carscoffeeandcannabis-634I thought of your other options but not this Caterham one hmmm 💡

@thedoctormma9433

10 ай бұрын

You definitely do not understand the cost of JUST the parts he explained in this video. How much do you think a good sequential transmission costs 😂??

@papa_pt

10 ай бұрын

@@thedoctormma9433 idk but do you know the mx5 cup car comes with a sequential for $80k? 😂

@JacesOwnWorld

10 ай бұрын

@@thedoctormma9433who cares lol

I wouldn’t begin to consider purchasing one without a different oiling solution. For a 125k car they should be running a dry sump. No use pulling g’s in your car if it’s going to trash the engine.

@KhanJoltrane

10 ай бұрын

Commenting for visibility. This has to be addressed

@patg3331

10 ай бұрын

Cup cars are driven the hardest and there haven't been any blown engines.

@trevor6814

10 ай бұрын

@@patg3331 interesting… there have been plenty of blown engines in the stock/modified production cars. Given the engines are exactly the same… then the margin of error likely lies between the few degrees of extra body roll between the two suspension setups… even with the extra 0.5-1 G’s of lateral force in the cup cars. If the solution to the problem is really just a stiffened anti-roll bar, I would actually consider owning the production GR. Until then I’ll stick with the MX-5.

@Dylanbforthree

10 ай бұрын

@@patg3331source?

@thegirthquake8574

10 ай бұрын

Bumping

The current GMX5 cars (presumably what you meant, since it's more of the direct competitor to GR86 Cup than Spec Miata) are sequential, and have been for years.

@chromaventure

10 ай бұрын

and cost 80k instead of 130k like this GR86 Cup

@jordandunne5292

10 ай бұрын

Whats the horsepower on one of those, similar?

@UnderTheIceburg

10 ай бұрын

@@jordandunne5292 ~181HP, but the car is much lighter so it's probably competitive in a straight line. I think you could pick and choose which would be faster depending on the track.

@anthonyantoine9232

10 ай бұрын

Funny, it actually has a SADEV 6 speed sequential just like this car lol.

@Marc-ty5sz

10 ай бұрын

@@chromaventure and the engine doesn't blow up on right hand turns.

I’m so very impressed with Matt’s driving; he constantly states that he is not a racing driver, but his fundamentals are all there. I consider myself a very good driver, and I know three different spots that I definitely would have made mistakes. I’d love to see Matt thrash a US Legends car!

@eliaswreford4523

10 ай бұрын

Matt’s warm up lap is essentially as fast as I could ever hope to drive.

@Senza_1

10 ай бұрын

he might not be a race driver but he can drive for sure

@VacFink

10 ай бұрын

Not to mention he's describing and commenting on it live. No small amount of talent and focus.

@MR2D2AL

10 ай бұрын

He states that he’s around 1.5 seconds slower than the PROFESSIONAL racing driver they had, who DID NOT comment on film whilst wringing this machine out. He is a monster!

@bobtuiliga8691

10 ай бұрын

@@MR2D2AL I think its more likely 1.5 seconds off their driver's *instructional* lap pace.

?? The Miata Cup is $40k less and comes with sequential

@dondelchulia3189

10 ай бұрын

Also resell for about 60-80k for a equally good one.

His face when drinking the green juice says it all lol

The Miata is $80,000, has a SADEV sequential, and is much lighter which means it will be less expensive on tires, brakes and general consumables because less force is going through them. The Miata has 181hp so it should be equally quick until you get to a track with a long straight.

@trevor6814

10 ай бұрын

Much better deal in my opinion. Also has the added benefit of reliability. The FA24 has been promising with the exception of its oiling issues. Too big a risk. Not worth an extra 45k over the mx-5 imo.

What about those 20 psi right turns though? Hard to ignore that issue.

@cornedbeef4332

10 ай бұрын

Yeah idk what to think, and it's an 125k racecar with the SAME issue as the road car lol.

@NullaVitae

10 ай бұрын

@SnubBarracuda It's probably overblown. Seems to be pretty rare from what I've seen.

Seeing Matt drive like that on a track that I have driven many times def proves that he is great driver!

@AnonRidar

3 ай бұрын

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA good one.

For the price of this thing, You could get a flight to Europe, a Caterham Academy racecar (which is WAY cooler), an entire race season, room and board, a flight back.... And still have enough left over to get a GR86 I know where I'd spend my money!

Lol these are about 140k now, it’s 5k a weekend for entry fees, and that doesn’t include tires parts or team if you decide to race with one of them. If you really price this out it’s closer to running GT4s than it is to mx5 cup. It’s about 380-450k to put the car on track for a season. That doesn’t include, testing travel, or hotel. Just some insight.

Seeing you back to back 1 year apart is wild! you should be proud of your healthy journey

This setup with a bit of head work and breathing mods would be a riot. Give it another 60hp or so of naturally aspirated, rev happy power.

@UnrelatedNonsense

10 ай бұрын

Too bad they don’t sell these to the public. They only sell to sanctioned race teams

@AceShadowbloodcivic

10 ай бұрын

GR supra cup then. This car is aimed for the kids coming from karting and not wanting to do spec miata. 240 NA hp is more than enough as it tests the driver’s capabilities of extracting the most of low powered cars.

@ciello___8307

10 ай бұрын

GT4@@AceShadowbloodcivic

@Julianklaus

10 ай бұрын

Smartest comment in the bunch sir. You are absolutely spot on. reason why they are made extremely easy to drive.

@mikejohnson4121

10 ай бұрын

​@@AceShadowbloodcivic😮

Matt is a stellar driver. While he is delivering a top notch commentary. Props to you.

Matt, it’s worth pointing out that the current ND2 Cup can be had with the SADEV sequential box as well and costs quite a bit less to get into, other differences like aero and hp/weight notwithstanding. Great video, as usual!

I wish the 4 cylinder race car market wasn't going over to sequentials. We're running out of club races where your left foot has something to do but you're still competitive with the rest of the pack.

@trevor6814

10 ай бұрын

good drivers should be left foot braking even with a sequential, but I’d agree it’s more engaging. If nothing else I would hope the cup cars migrate to standard-trans-only rules to lower the barrier of entry

@PaulChoix55

10 ай бұрын

The transmissions themselves don't last in race situations. They'd need reinforced forks and syncros. instead of spending 5k in improving a manual, they spend 10 on a sequential that's bulletproof compared to the manual.

@TheSmokingTire what oil cooler did that car have?

@986RTT

10 ай бұрын

That's the ColorFittings kit based on a Setrab core, the logo is pretty clearly visible at 1:09

This was awesome! You were moving around that track!

You can really see how much weight you lost from this video! (Not being a dick at all keep it up!)

I heartily agree with all the compliments about Matt's driving! And there were way too many shots of the rear wing. It just doesn't matter.

This is awesome! CMP is my local track, recognized it immediately

Why is the external camera mounted on a different car than the one Matt is driving? His car has a window with an open insert, and the external camera has no window and a net.

@dawn-moon

10 ай бұрын

one has AC , the other hasn't, maybe that's the reason ?

Looking good Matt. I've been watching for many years. Love the content.

Thanks for posting! Such a great car.

WOW Love this video. Thnak you TST

Saw it a SEMA last year. Looked like a great factory racer.

It's crazy that it sounds pretty much identical to the iRacing version!

I dont know what the condition of the track was or what size tires you were on but in my opinion I believe that car could of been pushed harder! It's was like you gave it 75% of its capabilities. I'm means it's race car at the end of the day. It takes time to get use to a machine that is purpose built from the factory to be on the track to bring out its full potential. All and all it looked like a great time and experience to say the least. Lucky you! And great review

Why doesnt the last gear whine? Just not straight cut?

Matt you are looking great! Keep up the hard work!

Really solid car, on a beautiful day just moving on the slicks

DANG I wish I could get one of these!

Matt, I saw the battery is missing from its original location. Were you able to see where it was relocated to? Thanks for what you do.

@MrHerbs666

10 ай бұрын

its in the rear to improve weight distribution, AFAIK

we all want to know how toyota build this regarding the oil pressure drops on right turns.. and the rtv issues?? any one know how they went about it?

I would love to have a GR86.....if it had a different engine.

@trevor6814

10 ай бұрын

mostly just a different oiling solution. the motor itself is fine

@markthibault8579

10 ай бұрын

The turbo 3-cyl from the GR Corolla would be my choice.

@damienlee1165

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, at this point it really is the engine which keeps me from getting into one, just not that big a fan of boxer engines.

@johnybigarms

10 ай бұрын

It’s all about a low centre of gravity, naturally aspirated power, it’s cheap to buy, cheaper than the Miata/MX5 and has more power, the 3 pot turbo engine is not that great, it’s got plenty of turbo lag and would weight more with all its plumbing, the boxer engine is a clever design, it’s really low centre of gravity is why the car can be so low overall, helping handling, and all 230hp with a higher Rev limit is there all the time, turbo lag is a pain on little cc high boosted 3 pots.

@Julianklaus

10 ай бұрын

Well said. Another great and refreshing comment compared to all the numb zombies here regurgitating oil starvation issue and not buying the car because of bla bla boxer engine. In the meantime they have no idea what they are missing.

Yeah but is the GR86 Cup’s engine carrying a couple gallons of RTV in the crankcase or is that feature exclusive to the road going version?

That thing is pretty impressive, not a bad deal for a setup track car

what baffle are they using in the oil pan?

Super fun car! Have you driven one of the newer MX-5 cup cars with the sequential?

Did they fix the oiling issues on that one?

@rodsilva80

10 ай бұрын

no

Love CMP, I’ll be there next week in my e92.

Spec miata does use sequential gearboxes. Also the only reason they proly put sequential in 86 was to replace the bad engine noise.

Australia has been running an 86 race series for Gen 1 & 2 for a while now, check it out...

Wow that weight loss since you filmed it 👏

That transmission probably costs the same as the base road car though, right?

Miata cup cars are sequential. Why doesn't 6th whine in the 86?

The only downside is oil starvation with these. Look what happened to the MCA 86

@tumsfestival8027

10 ай бұрын

Just wait 2 years or so, and Itl be fixed. I had a 2013 frs and it was a piece of junk. Got a 2017 86 and have never had a problem

Frankly, I love that we now have both the Miata and GR 86 cup cars.

Is this available to purchase for personal track use? or only for the single make series?

@carplay5454

10 ай бұрын

Series only

What makes it sound so good?

You see that tire bead movement at 6:58?! Must be running what, 15-20 psi to move that much! Probably needed a lot more heat in them before pushing hard! I get that the car is designed for 45+ minute runs, so they'll build pressure, but holy crap, only if the tires stay on for the first couple laps!

Love the track focused content. Have you heard of the Rush SR? I have one on order, should be here in November. 1200lb, 145HP, sequential gearbox. Mine is fully loaded and it’s going to cost 55K. If you don’t know about it, check it out. If you want to drive one, let me know, I’m a member at the Podium Club in Arizona, and they are dealers for the car. Again, I love the track content, more of that please.

@trevor6814

10 ай бұрын

Not sure Matt could fit in one 🤣. I just learned of them and it reminds me of FSAE. Seems like a great (cheaper) radical alternative

Holy shit it's CMP! I went to my first autocross and my first trackday there.

1:07 I need one of those GR intake resonator deletes. NAOW.

I’d take the mx5. You can turn left and right in the Mazda without worrying about oil starvation, pretty neat feature

6:55 look at that rim. Holy balls.

Stupid question, where does the whine come from? Is it the transmission?

@thatmg

10 ай бұрын

Yes!

224 HP with an oil engine issue for $125k is very pricey. Should have either bumped it up to at least 300HP or lower the price to GR Supra prices.

All way, like your work. Your love of car all ways come Throw .😊

Here we are in 2023 and people are still calling MX-5 Cup cars "Spec Miatas" lol SCCA and NASA really have a deathgrip on the concept of a miata on a race track

@bobtuiliga8691

10 ай бұрын

No i think he's just a street car guy that doesn't know the first thing about racing.

@LeeePowers

10 ай бұрын

It almost sounds racist against MX5 Cup cars.

the sequential is dope

$125k is literally the MX5 Cup season car purchase included.

These things going to lunch their engines also just like the road cars?

Can someone with more power and exposure please press toyota about the rtv issues, how to fix it and oil starvation for the engine this is the only thing stopping me a buying the car please.

Sometimes I think the racing world just comes up with expenses for the heck of it. Why do this or the Miata Cup need a sequential when the reinforcing the factory manual would be cheaper? Why do they need full Conti slicks instead of a more durable race tire? Why ON EARTH does a car with less than 250hp have traction control? These all seem like moronic expenses. Just go the vintage racing route, Formula Ford, or an entry-level spec Porsche series like spec Boxster/911.

"What do you think, Veggie Boy?" "I like it!"😊 "You can really taste the kale!"

By large margin there are more reliable gr86 track cars then there are oil starvation issues. I raced two AER events in a row in a GR86 of early mfg build. Of course the RTV was addressed, and in both 8 hour races at VIR, the car was flawless.

Certainly looked like fun!

Its cool, but these cars are only as good as thr race series surrounding them. Thr mx5 cup is consistantly some of the beat racing you can watch. IMSAs backing and $$ has made that series just an absolute blast. Its unlikley the series surrounding these cars will be the same given that thr cars coast that much more, and not having a backing from an organizayion like IMSA.

It's probably better than MX5 Cup Race Car, but it also costs double

You can drive this thing in iRacing. It’s an awesome series.

Is this the first race car with electric power steering?

Can someone explain why a race car would use sequential shifting and not use paddles?

@Fr0dders

10 ай бұрын

You can use a paddle with a sequential transmission. The new Prodrive restomod subaru has a paddle connected to the same Sadev sequential box. Lots of race cars use sequential race boxes, just drivers choice as to how to operate them.

Miata *was* always the answer.

Pretty sure MX-5 Cup cars come with sequential transmissions as well.

Is the TST going to be in the new Forza? DLC maybe?

This would be a great weekend track car alone. Not even a need to go racing but just to have fun and learn how to drive on a track. If I was rich and has 125k to burn, id go for this if......they provided a dry sump for this price. Wouldnt want my car blowing up because I drove it the way it was meant to be driven.

@boredbanana7324

10 ай бұрын

If I was that rich and had 125k to burn, I would buy a Praga R1 - an actual race car.

The Miata guys are going to come at you for not knowing the difference between Spec Miata and MX-5 Cup especially when it comes to SADEV. Warning you on track days you can get stuff wrong with the Porsche guys but you cannot get facts wrong with the Miata clubs. They will check you immediately and you will fail trust.

i heard they have been blowing up engines too just like your road going versions.

Really nice race track.

Well, at least now I know how I will spend my time if I win the lottery

I'm eating factor while watching this video

Now do the Lotus Emira GT4 :)

I think I'll just have a GT4 for that price. Also, fix the oiling solution Subaru.

I'm surprised they let you turn right.

How much I envy you both, americans and japanese. We don't have it in Europe. Beautiful one. Only one series have the potential to better it. The Mustang Challenge. Certainly not for fan per USD (or EUR). Just one little thing bothers me. One seat fits all. No, no, no. Custom racing seats, please.

125k is crazy

You could build a spec miata for 15k lol.

Is this guy lucky or what!

I love the car but at $125K this thing is a bit of a rip-off. A factory prepped Civic HPD Si is $55K which seems fairly reasonable. The Global MX5 (with SADEV) is also quite a bit cheaper. For the same money you can buy a Radical SR3 or Sebco NP-01 and get a LOT more performance. Hell, for less money just build a Spec Corvette and have some AMAZING racing in a much more performant car. That said, for up-and-coming young drivers looking to make a name, running this class is probably a great way to go.

125k for an entry level racing car. Are Toyota completely out of their minds?! The current 911 Cup car is 225k (Euro), the BMW M2 CS Racing was 115k (Euro) but !including! VAT.

GR86 cup only 13 sek of an porsche 992 GT3 road car at Road Amerika

Lol can't compare the 2 race serie when one cost way less to run and maintain.

It’s too expensive. Spec Miata grids are larger at a fraction of the price.

Nice to see an Episode without Zack

Does this qualify for a new car loan for Toyota? :-p

Toyota needs to hold Subaru accountable. I would not touch a GR86 until the FA24 oil issue is fixed and support is opened to all current GR86 owners at minimal cost to the owner.

Hopefully fix that oil pan, since it's Subaru based engine 😅