Originally was uploaded on Seth's channel, but it had some problems and I wanted to fix it and upload it here instead. Hope you guys enjoyed! Also, for the people still denying that MSSJ>50x multiplier, even the Daizenshuu EX (w/highly knowledgeable dbdoods behind it) claims Goku wanted him and Gohan to reach a stage stronger than Grade 3 (when he showed it off to Gohan regarding its speed drawback). This CLEARLY means Grade 4 is not only better for stamina & energy consumption, but is in fact STRONGER than the buff and regular SSJ forms. www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/saiyan/ Not an appeal to authority, since we had already coined the El Manga Legendario guide as the main proof, this just backs it up even more.

@tevwilliams3730

6 жыл бұрын

love ur videos bro, u speak the truth lol >B]

@dylangerig4915

6 жыл бұрын

Oh thank God! I was going crazy trying to find this for the past 4 days!!

@mugenuchiha5335

6 жыл бұрын

Dylan Gerig I remember Seth the gamer had a video like this

@chuyelregio5

6 жыл бұрын

xD

@SILVER-gz2cl

6 жыл бұрын

Chuck h said that ssj 3 was a 4000 multiplier but ssj full power is 1000 and ssj 2 is a 2000 multiplier and u times that by 4 u get 8000

It's crazy nobody can make a GT video without prefacing that GT is disliked by many.

@modbgt9771

6 жыл бұрын

IRIA GT is overhated

@malachijohnson4295

5 жыл бұрын

IRIA exactly

@drybonesmunchakoopas5143

5 жыл бұрын

yeah its sad and the more people hear this the more people who dont now anything about GT and didn't even bother it watch it will hate it for no reason

@IriaChannel

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. People end up going in with an opinion even before having seen the series. It ends up adding fuel to a fire that's just in some people's head. For example, I love GT, but I saw GT before the internet was in most homes. I watched GT when it aired in Japan and almost nobody had a computer in their home. If they did, the internet wasn't even the way it is now.. So your opinion was really just your opinion. Me and all my friends enjoyed GT back then. After time went on, I saw the opinion on GT changing more and more... Sure, the show got cancelled and it's common knowledge it didn't do great, but, things are being overblown completely.

@TheTheThe_

5 жыл бұрын

But it is disliked by many. He isn't lying.

What I really like about GT is, that Goku doesn't shit out new transformations all the time. It builds up tension when you know that Goku in the strongest form possible gets kicked around.

@ianthecoolthief6226

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, Goku only got 2 transformations in the first 2 arcs, and in the U6 tournament he only applied a technique on top of SSB and he didn't get a new form until the 1st, 2nd and 3rd triggers of UI. He dosen't shit out transformations all the time but he does get a lot of them.

@rayzas4885

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianthecoolthief6226 3 transformations I'm 5 arcs is pretty frequent tho

@xnortheast1106

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianthecoolthief6226 stop

@ianthecoolthief6226

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayzas4885 try 4 transformations in 1 arc. (The Android/Cell Saga)

@bb3e2

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianthecoolthief6226 and Ui was also forshadowed too

Blue might be stronger but SSJ4 is 100% better looking.

@michaelthompson4253

6 жыл бұрын

Bog arc ssjg < ultra full power ssj4

@daemonblackfyre3238

6 жыл бұрын

mike I agree with that. I think Red is trash af. SSJ4 all day.

@michaelthompson4253

6 жыл бұрын

Daemon Blackfyre except t.o.p ssjg, that one was the only time ssjg was 'strong'

@TakeshiInazuma

6 жыл бұрын

Daemon Blackfyre I think mike was referring to power, and no I don't agree with him. While SSJ4 maybe 400,000x to 40,000,000x base, SSG in BOG is in the uper range of Quintillion to Sextillion range.

@apelican9669

6 жыл бұрын

mike Nice headcanon

Have we been here before? I feel like we've been here before

@puppetmaster8387

6 жыл бұрын

TheBlackKnight Zero yep a re-upload

@evm1052

6 жыл бұрын

I've just been in this place before.

@camwillis7434

6 жыл бұрын

Wait i think that one was on super saiyan 3

@nightwalker174

6 жыл бұрын

TheBlackKnight Zero *You see, I have finally realized the legend*

@fubukichiba

6 жыл бұрын

Lord Omega Oh god Chuck is doing this again

I think SSJ4 isn't an actual SSJ transformation but complete mastery of the Ozaroo form. It's the true form of the Saiyan and by extension, a "base" form like SSG is. That's why it dosen't have nearly as much of a stamina drain as traditional SSJ forms. It hasn't been unlocked through hard training like a traditional SSJ transformation, but instead was acheived through the Ozaroo transformation/Blutz waves. The Golden Great ape might hint that SSJ5 could be a golden SSJ4, the true form of a Super Saiyan.

@thewerewolfgod74

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Ssj4 is a ssj transformation the creator's even confirmed it CAN'T YOU SEE!? look at the Aura

@scrumt9284

2 жыл бұрын

Super saiyan 4 is explicitly an evolution and controlled version of the golden great ape. It is a combination of super saiyan and great ape controlled and condensed.

@Bahramiish

2 жыл бұрын

yeah something like that... its like an ultimate combination between the ape form and the human form (both being golden/ssj). you're not the monkey from the oozaru form anymore, but you also arent the human from the various ssj forms. its like they both fused into ssj4

@yungmuney5903

2 жыл бұрын

They really should've given it a different name that gets that point across, like idk "Primal" form or "The Hitozaru" or something like that.

@righteousone5119

Жыл бұрын

@@yungmuney5903 I've seen Hitozaru being used before, but idk what it means. Could you mind telling me?

but GT isn't cannon even if it was in the dragon ball super manga it still isn't cannon because I don't know what I'm talking about.

@The_WIll_OF_D99

6 жыл бұрын

Just A Robot 2 facts

@Wolfbroa

6 жыл бұрын

Just A Robot 2 the sad thing is i have seen similar arguments but people were really serious about it

@ffffqqesxg2492

6 жыл бұрын

What an intellectual god

@fubukichiba

6 жыл бұрын

Said every DBS fanboy ever

@centerofattention5783

6 жыл бұрын

Such a great new perspective.

*Cough* more powerful than deathbattle thought *Cough*

@nightwalker174

6 жыл бұрын

shinigami san *Everything is more powerful than they thought. They don't do actual official research on really any of their videos. Deathbattles may be entertaining, but even when they state information, they are incorrect.*

@jamainegardner4193

6 жыл бұрын

If they were using SSJ4 GT Goku instead of a hypothetical SSJ4 Z Goku then Goku would've won

@hanzohasashi844

6 жыл бұрын

jamaine gardner exactly and if death battle fans come here they better stop hating the only thing I like about death battle movie is the animation and I call it death battle movie because this is for death battle getting facts and correct and the only thing they're correct for is Super Saiyan multiplier and Goku achieving a new transformation and that's it nothing more

@MyZombieLick

6 жыл бұрын

Why doesn't Chuck or Seth do a video on that awesome power of Krillin? Being that Krillin is lowball 5-6 times more powerful SSJ4 at the start of the ToP in DBS, it's then obvious beyond doubt that SSB Goku is more powerful than SSJ4 Goku. However, the SSJ4 Goku Dragon Fist punch is lowball 7-8 times more powerful than MUI Goku in terms of attack potency. This means the SSJ4 Dragon Fist can one-shot MUI Goku with radical ease and mastery of self-movement wouldn't be able to dodge it. I'm just hoping that Dragon Ball Heroes has a fight between Krillin from DBS against SSJ4 Goku so we can see Krillin obliterate him.

@callofdutychile

6 жыл бұрын

After Jin Vs Ryu.. Goku vs Superman 3 would be like: Screwattack: Well uhh, Black *ALMOST DIED* cuz of Mai's *Sniper* but Kal-El Tanks Bullets so.... "Goku now is 50 tons, but superman its still infinite"

SSJ4 is the best transformation to me Toriyama really should take a look into that to give it more value

@thorthane3674

Жыл бұрын

I, along with others, believe the now-canon DBS Broly will make this canon.

@juanibarra4927

7 ай бұрын

We can only wish, I mean Broly and Gogeta became canon, so anything can truly happen

@kanash8851

5 ай бұрын

​@juanibarra4927 the problem is we already have UI and UE, forms that would stomp ultra full power ssj4 before it even starts. As cool as ssj4 is it just kinda doesn't have a place ykwm. I can *maybe* see gotenks getting it

Man I love ssj4,to me it brought back the sadly forgotten great ape

@auralight8086

3 жыл бұрын

And tail

@FXHumungus

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it's such a shame Toriyama forgot about the roots.

@RagingBlazeBloodBaka

Жыл бұрын

@@FXHumungus uhhh, super broly?

@FXHumungus

Жыл бұрын

@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka Broly was just an overhyped character, that's all. A design in between any series, so it's easily possible to make some canon then. SSJ4 is something totally off road.

Vegeta mentions the reason that why SSJ grade 4 is so powerful is because the energy normally used to keep the form going can instead be used to enhance the attacks of the user, and training in this form instead of SSJ grade 2 or 3 makes training significantly less difficult because you aren't fighting to keep the form turned on or with massive and uncomfortable muscles which holds you back.

Bro in my opinion ssj4 is the best form the design is amazing goku and vegeta get more serious and the concept of the golden great ape in my opinion is great I just not really a fan of how vegeta got the form

@dancooke8811

4 ай бұрын

If u like being furry with a red tail and looking like 1/2 man 1/2 🐒 it's up 2 u....

@reddevy3786

3 ай бұрын

the only difference between the two is goku did it using earth while vegeta used a machine for blutz waves, both still had to control it just the same

SSJ4 will be necessary plot wise if God Ki is somehow eradicated

@nightwalker174

6 жыл бұрын

Watch My 666 Or just removed from them.

@watchmy666

6 жыл бұрын

Lord Omega yah, I mean 🤔 the possibilities of more nuonces by making Goku and Vegeta have to work to attain a power far surpassing the Gods, without any hocus pocus or plot device.

@luminousxii

6 жыл бұрын

Watch My 666 that hocus pocus is literally ssj4 goku was lucky and just somehow did it against baby and vegeta cheated

@watchmy666

6 жыл бұрын

Golden Mars the hocus pocus is Vegeta getting SSJG and Goku needing plot device of holding hands 👫 GT told a story of how they both ascended.

@cryptomon86

6 жыл бұрын

Watch My 666 or just perfect ss. O wait they already did

Although I’m not a fan of GT, I can’t deny that this form was my go too in the Budokai Tenkaichi games

@fergalbad

Жыл бұрын

On god

In the gt book it says ssj4 takes the saiyan to its utmost limits, so if ssj4 becomes cannon it's gonna be op af, it's probably simaler to potential unleashed though, witch means it might justt be ssjb level sense gohans potential unleashed was ssjb level, however when combined with God ki it becomes limit breaker ssj4, witch is op af

Who here is tried of saitama vs goku or saitama vs goku vs superman

@tevwilliams3730

6 жыл бұрын

I kno I am lol

@michaelthompson4253

6 жыл бұрын

mcBUFFfluff ✋✋✋

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

mcBUFFfluff saitma is like naruto adult level I dont know why people love walking him

@nightwalker174

6 жыл бұрын

all Saitama did so far was part the clouds, OG Dragon Ball did that

@glennrhee7918

6 жыл бұрын

Im just tired of saitama fans damage controlling.

Finally, someone who saw what we saw about the z warrior power levels back then. It's not that outlandish if you actually think about it. If a character gains a boost in power and it makes everyone Freeze in terror, it's gotta be more than 2x. One rule in Dbz is that everyone surpasses.

@xxxhero7275

Жыл бұрын

Actually that’s untrue. In the fight between cell and trunks trunks was leaking a lot of ki and was so slow cell could literally dodge every punch or fake it to make it seem like he was getting punched. In the fight trunks had a stronger power level than cell but was too slow and would tire himself out too fast for it to matter. The same thing happened with the golden great ape(baby) vs ssj4 goku. They had similar power levels(as shown when baby actually managed to punch goku) but since he was slow and leaking so much ki goku could soften the damage,dodge a lot of the punches and in all seriousness didn’t really have to do anything but dodge a few of baby’s punches and baby would tire himself out eventually, and would eventually become so weak from stamina drain that goku doesn’t even need to beam struggle to send baby’s attacks back.

Ssj4 is basically a perfected legendary super Saiyan form

Love or hate GT, SSJ4 Gogeta’s design is a gift from Zeno

7:49 it dawned upon me that if there was one more saiyan Goku would've been a super saiyan god 😮

@bedrocksmasher6v964

3 жыл бұрын

Gogeta was the first super sayian god lol

@resul3447

2 жыл бұрын

@@bedrocksmasher6v964 true😅

@true_Canadian419

2 жыл бұрын

I mean they both have red hair

@Wristymemes

2 жыл бұрын

@@bedrocksmasher6v964 explain?

@bedrocksmasher6v964

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wristymemes so basically, goku got powered up by trunks, goten, gohan, and pan. And later fused with vegeta, indirectly preforming the ritual, and giving gogeta 4 red hair. Or atleast that's the running theory

Interesting, you know I actually wondered back in the day why they used the Super Saiyan sound effect when Baby fully takes over Vegeta. Also, just out of curiosity is it true that SSJ2 has also been referred to as SSJ Grade 5 in a guide at one point?

@GokuInfintysaiyan

6 жыл бұрын

EvanNova95 it is true

@EvanNova95

6 жыл бұрын

Ah, I see. Thank You.

@EvanNova95

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@EvanNova95

6 жыл бұрын

Hope you like it. :)

@Tarnthewarrior

6 жыл бұрын

Akira even mistaken super saiyan 2 for 3

Ssj4 is way too underrated for how strong and badass it is, in terms of badassery and design ssj4 stomps everything super has to offer, even other super fans agree to this. And you really can’t deny it.

@skurt5525

6 жыл бұрын

animal361 361 It is an ugly over the top designs that is non animation friendly.

@jayzonedc6474

6 жыл бұрын

I deny. UI was more badass. That demonic roar Goku did when he first got it was awesome. Also, Beerus is more badass and better designed.

@waltersullivan2727

5 жыл бұрын

SSG Ultra Instinct > SSJ4 SSR

@Alec-ut5ck

5 жыл бұрын

are you saying that ssj4 is more badass than ultra instinct ?

@Something775

5 жыл бұрын

I just think it looks ugly and nonsensical, but that's just my opinion.

This is a great vid. Tnx for explaining the ssj grades and ssj4/ baby. Makes sense

Great video i always know super saying 4 is a lot more powerful then people give it so i am glad you made this video and i really like it

I think that since Great Ape has a different version called Wrathful Saiyan, Golden Great Ape might have a different version called Wrathful Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 might have a different version called Wrathful Super Saiyan.

You know why SSJ4 is more powerful than you thought? simple, SSJgod blue is equal to Android 17, and SSJ4 is equal to Super 17, let that sink in.

@Lyserg1260

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and when Hell Fighter 17 was doing well against *BASE* GT Vegeta, it was enough for Vegeta to say that #17 has "powered up beyond belief". Yeah, BEYOND BELIEF. They are so strong in GT, that #17 being able to stand against their base forms is something unbelievable. While DBS 17 being able to fight on par with SSJ Blue doesn't really make people impressed, just wtf.

@babdulaziz-mk1kd

3 жыл бұрын

Goku was holding back in ssb he was using less than 50%of power

@donflamingo5685

2 жыл бұрын

@@babdulaziz-mk1kd less than 50% of a 50 times multiversal buster...the macrosm of z is 7 or 9 universe psanning areas. And supersaiyan blue is 50 times that...17 should've died.

Thanks for these cool videos.

Watching this at work. 👌👌

The idea of consequences for the actions of the main cast was a super innovative idea that GT tried out

*Needs to be brought into the main series somehow* *Since there's so much fanservice happening recently, why not?*

@jaymeslanske1234

3 жыл бұрын

as in brought to the main Canon, to bring things slightly back more down to earth

@shadowspirit93

3 жыл бұрын

Could be somethin for Goten and Trunks to achieve maybe? Seeing as those transformations wouldn’t be viable for Goku and Vegeta unless the primal form can be used with god ki

@ZeroYami

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowspirit93 and it would make them grow up!

awsome video!

Still gonna watch the whole vid again lol 😂 fuckin love your content bro keep up the amazing work

I was looking for this the other day, guessing it got copy striked and seems its down again but I'm watching it right now because I'm not sure I'll be able too later lol *Edit* it seemed to me the video was down because mabye i was so early when i refreshed his page it still wasn't there.

Actually, the Blutz waves are directly correlated to power bc Baby regained his full power through them. And if Golden Great Ape Baby and SSJ4 Goku were around the same ballpark since they were going back and forth, that would put Baby's GGA and Goku SSJ4 and 4 Million x base.

I love this form so much and I’d love it to be able to get on par with ssb in normal than in its powered form with ssb kaioken x20 (of course still not touching ui or mui in any way at all) but I’ve just gotta accept that it won’t be no matter how you look at it...

@justinbryan6249

Жыл бұрын

Just watch Super Dragon Ball Heroes.

@grandenigma9400

7 ай бұрын

SSJ4 (Elaborated further by Peragus from the now Canon Broly Movie) Is a Much Stronger Form than SSB and UI. The Reason being is due to SSJ4 grows in power the longer the Saiyajin who wields it is fighting just as the Ikari form does for its Wielders with the only difference between the 2 Ape forms is that, SSJ4 is the Controlled Golden Ozaru form which is Vastly Superior to the O Ozaru form. SSJ4 also brings its Wielders to their Maximum Fighting Potential while continuing to aid them in pushing and increasing their limits to the point of Infinite Growth as long as they continue to Train and Fight along with Excellent Stamina and Ki-Control demonstrated multiple times in GT by Kakarot. While the God forms are indeed powerful, they don’t offer the natural Infinite Growth that SSJ4 as a transformation has nor do they have the Stamina and Ki-Control as SSJ4 has.

Random AF but..... Suavemente 💃🏾

@mariai.cubillo4577

6 жыл бұрын

*D E S P A C I T O*

@watchmy666

6 жыл бұрын

ONE GUANTANAMERA

@SlattDari

6 жыл бұрын

BESAMEEEEEEEEEE

@kgnightcry8118

6 жыл бұрын

YO QUIERO SENTIR TUS LABIOS

@juliuscaesar346

6 жыл бұрын

besame?

Super Saiyan at least now should be 500x due to it being mastered, the original version should be 50 until trained thoroughly enough to increase the potential power output of Super Saiyan, which makes perfect sense why it would possess a higher multiplier.

@matoViva9

Жыл бұрын

If Super Saiyan is x500 because it is mastered, it would mean that Gohan turning SSJ2 would've actually become weaker since he already mastered super Saiyan and SSJ2 is x100 no?

@fenix1685

Жыл бұрын

@@matoViva9 SS2 isn't ×100 base its ×2 SS. So whatever the maximum power level of SS at the time SS2 is ×2 that. Same with SS3 its not ×400 base its ×4 of SS2.

Eventually this will all make sense for the die hard anime needs😪✨

This is a re-upload right? Sure I've seen this before Chuck.

Kinda strange how having control over golden azuru didn't turn baby into super baby 4... ehhh still the best gt arc :D Wasn't aware ssj4 was that much of a increase. Cheers man solid vid

@pancakes7483

5 жыл бұрын

The reason why he didn't go ssj4 was because baby had control of the gold ape form but vegeta didn't sense they are connected

@greensnake7483

3 жыл бұрын

Baby cells didn't let him go ssj4

Geez... dang it Death Battle, never doing ENOUGH research like Chuck. Now what about Super Saiyan God to Blue multiplier?

@jamainegardner4193

6 жыл бұрын

they did that years ago.

they never used God Red much at all and just jump in God Blue. Prime Saiyan (SSJ4 of course) has been used a bit. the red aura seemed like a foreshadow that this form can unlock god ki. when SSJ4 Gogeta showed up it was all red and the aura is close to be a god ki level. years later DBS showed up and we have saiyan god same red hair but also pink skin and aura is a bit more red. it makes you wonder why people are making theories that SSJ4 Gogeta is a semi-god.

@Anankin12

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at the manga, that's not really true

@shane7051

Жыл бұрын

Dude you are reading into this stuff too much. God ki wasn't even conceived when SSJ4 was being written.

@rickydiscord7671

Жыл бұрын

@@shane7051 why read when I can see on screen? besides you miss understand my point.

What if there was an SSJ4 UI Goku??? Holy shit balls! That would be a dope ass transformation!!! 🤯

Good video., But I'm still waiting on 'Why Hercule is Stronger than you Thought'

They hate GT coz it has more adventures. But that's what make it special. It returned to its roots on what dragon ball is about. Searching for the 'DRAGON BALLS'. Even Goku returns to a small boy. 10/10 more appropriate series than super.

@whateverwhatever4476

Жыл бұрын

Yep and ppl still hate that

I still dont understand how people call DBZ anime canon...but GT isnt...but I still have yet to see an actual limit or set multiplier of ssj4

@gregorymcpherson3200

2 ай бұрын

This vid explains the power levels. As for gt being canon, it's listed as non canon bc akira toriyama did not write it. There isn't even a manga about gt. It was made by toei. Akira just made the designs for certain characters and transformations like ss4. But since he didn't write the story, this cannot be canon

@blue-12316

2 күн бұрын

​@@gregorymcpherson3200gt is canon to z

Good video

@Chuck

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed

1:32 love for italy💞 Love from italy to chuck

I mean if we consider the different timelines in super that means gt by those rules could be canon what are your thoughts

@shadowdragonlord2295

2 жыл бұрын

Alternative canon

@scorpionz44

2 жыл бұрын

its more like GT was the timeline we went with at first, but then Super came and we are now following this new timeline

I just want to explain that the Goku that went SSJ4 in Heroes is not the one from GT. This Goku, AKA Xeno Goku, was created by the Supreme Kai Of Time to help Trunks hunt down Towa and Co. This Goku also has God ki for some reason despite never fighting a God ever in his life.

@powerjolt7215

3 жыл бұрын

Xeno Goku actually went through the events of Battle of Gods AS WELL as GT. That's why he apparently has god ki and Super saiyan 4.

@Daan-Dovah

Жыл бұрын

Ssj4 gogeta has God ki let me explain goku got energy from 4 saiyans basically a portion of the ritual and when he fused with vegeta gogeta was born a God they unknowingly did the ritual for ssjg

Damn, this entire video is basicly me while somking some goods

Aye my favouite transformation!!

Also... full powered super saiyan could easily be the same x50 multiplier but since goku and gohan can train together and know how to train efficiently, just upgraded their base powers so much that a x25 power (which is half super saiyan) could be stronger than what trunks attained..... and since goku and gohan never dropped out of super saiyan for vegeta and trunks to confirm if their base powers were weaker than those of goku and gohan.... it is kinda..... bold to assume grade 4 of someone is stronger than the grade 3 of the same person.... remember, they always compare forms like if the form was exclusive to the person that mostly uses it, they never compare them like if the same person was using them and comparing the power up it has on the same base power..... the worst mistake you can make while determining the power output of a transformation is comparing it with the transformation of someone else.... for example the fight between goku and trunks of the black arc, they compared trunks’ super saiyan two, with goku’s super saiyan 3 and said that his super saiyan 2 was as strong or even stronger than super saiyan 3.... like if goku was the only one that would have the ability to use the form.... trunks’ super saiyan 2 will never compete with super saiyan 3’s power out put because 3 multiplies over 2, it can compete with goku’s super saiyan 3 but if trunks turned 3 he would be more powerful than what he is at 2 always..... it is the same thing with grade 4 and grade 3, goku’s grade 4 had a power greater than trunks’ grade three.... but grade 4 DOESNT stack on top of grade 3 it is just grade 1 but with goku’s body adjusted to it, goku even said that he wouldn’t upgrade grade 2 or 3 but rather upgrade grade 1 for more effective combat ability, so goku can actually turn grade 3 and since grade 4 is his normal super saiyan his grade 3 would be stronger than his grade 4 doesn’t matter how much he upgrades grade 4, grade 3 multiplies over regular super saiyan which in case of goku is grade 4 and in case of trunks is grade 1.... so may be goku’s grade 4 was stronger than trunks’ grade 3 but grade 3 goku will be stronger than grade 4 goku due to grade 3 multiplying regular super saiyan... it is said in the show that grade 4 doesn’t evolve from grade 3 it is just a trained grade 1... so it is possible that goku’s base just got massively stronger, which would make sense since gohan’s base... was pathetic, being weaker than goku and if they both turned super saiyan the result would be the same since the both would have the same power up and it would end up as goku>gohan.... BUT! Gohan’s super saiyan grade 4 is stronger than goku’s even when he holds back.... so the only thing that could mean is that gohan’s base got so massively powerful that even a suppressed grade 4 gohan was stronger than a full powered grade 4 goku and if gohan’s base got more powerful, it would make no sense goku’s base didn’t get more powerful as well

Not a 400,000 times multiplier it’s a 6 trillion Times multiplied the golden Ozark is 500,000 times multiplier

Hey would I be right to say that ssj4 is a stronger form than mystic? If so could ssj4 be closer in power to ssg red then we originally thought?

Ssj4 is equivalent to Ssjg.The concepts are the same. This is a good video.

Hey here is a Suggestion for the next Power Scale: the entire Devil May Cry Verse, mainly the OG one and not that reboot....or whatever works for you.

@zer0the0m3ga8

6 жыл бұрын

I know, Zimatorn did it. I'm curious on what Chuck thinks of the verse.

@AMMB

6 жыл бұрын

Yes good idea

@drybonesmunchakoopas5143

5 жыл бұрын

*Spike the Devil Man

In terms of Design of GT vs Super Transformations: SSJ4 (Although it doesn’t have the best aura, but my god THAT Tail, Body, eyes and Hair no homo looks BEASTLY. May not look godly but it represents the TRUE saiyan evolution of Great apes) > Ultra Instinct (Hair may be similar to God but better, colour more dominant, Aura is debatably better than SSJ4 and any other transformation) > Super Saiyan God (Aura looks Godly speaks within its name lol) > Super Saiyan Blue (Blue Lightning Aura just gives me chills the amount of power generated. FEELS!) Now if it was in terms of power with lowball defending for Super... SSJG < SSJ4 =< SSJB

@preds43

6 жыл бұрын

I love that second voice as well, man. It just shows that, at the end of the day, Goku's still a Saiyan. And that his Saiyan nature's still within him. I don't see how U.I's "boring" at all. I don't see how guys like Hail Zeon would even considering U.I to be a boring concept, yet call SSJ4 "genius". Like, U.I's basically the thing Goku's been trying to attain since Day fucking 1. All while keeping in his Saiyan nature. It's a clear mix of both DB/DBZ, while also keeping in the Godly elements of Super. It's a PERFECT combination. Goku's martial arts, his Oozaru roar, his Silver, beyond the Gods tone of Hair, his seriousness, his Godly Training and such just fit the whole Ultra Instinct tone PERFECTLY! I love what it's based off of, I love the fact that Goku can't attain it willingly, I love that Goku actually WON against his opponents in this Form (Unlike with SSB, or...for the MOST part SSJ4). Like, with Kefla, Goku slide a Kamehameha on her ass. And with Jiren, Goku just pounded his ass back to Area 51. In fact, Goku's only ever lost in U.I due to the aftermath of the state (AKA, the Toll of reaching the Realm of the Gods, and beyond even that). Oh, and I also love that this is Goku's "Ultimate State". In fact, I don't see Son Goku surpassing this. I mean, you're surpassing Emotion, Instinct, Ego, The Gods themselves, and shit. That's...not an easy task to perform. And this is where I think SSJ4 failed. It acts like it's the "Saiyans Ultimate Form", and sure, while the looks do STATE that, the actual Form itself...is...well..."lacking". I mean, if you have to go ALL OUT against Super Baby Oozaru, at around the same time frame you were first SHOWN in the GT series, then...you certainly have a problem. Also, if you're BASICALLY fodder against guys like SUPER 17 (Who's basically 17 + 17, not even multiplied), or against Syn Shenron and such, then...that "Ultimate Form" BS doesn't sound like...the right word to go for here, am I right?! Like...eh?! I will admit this though, SSJ4 Gogeta's such a badass. Sucks that it took a BASE GOKU UNIVERSAL SPIRIT BOMB TO DEFEAT OMEGA SHENRON, HOWEVER! -_- Yeah, overall, i'd say that U.I's better than SSJ4. It just did more.

@ssgsscanadianhawk3339

6 жыл бұрын

thunder wolf Even though SSJ4 has a better design. The Ultra Instinct form just shows a lot of symbolism of goku’s entire life from beginning till now. It shows his grey hair resembles how long we fans watched him ever since the 80s in Dragon Ball. And the form isn’t meant to show how cool or powerful the form really is. It was solely meant to show how far Goku have grown as the saiyan on earth. After learning for many martial arts till now he has finally found the ultimate and final martial arts special technique once reaching the powerful state “ultra instinct”. Attacking and defending without any thought. This also shows how no matter how many transformations Goku gets as a saiyan. Goku knows he grew on earth first. And learned the basic art of battle through pure battle hand to hand combat strategy. Another symbolism is when Goku couldn’t maintain ultra instinct is because time tells Goku that Goku has far need more to explore and experiences through more upcoming battles Until he is ready to go back to the complete and mastered state of ultra instinct... Shit is really deep when I think about the many symbolism of ultra instinct as a whole form...

@TakeshiInazuma

6 жыл бұрын

SSGSS CanadianHawk 333 Sorry to disagree, but the power's more like SSJ4< Full Powered SSJ4< Ultra Full Powered SSJ4

@preds43

6 жыл бұрын

It just shows that, even though Son Goku's finally attained his Ultimate State. He still has a LOT to learn, before he could ever have any hopes of willingly controlling this state. Meaning, his journey's only just begun.

@TakeshiInazuma

6 жыл бұрын

SSGSS CanadianHawk 333 The reason why I said that(since I think would wonder why)... SSJ3 Goku in the Buu was Solar System to multi-SS level, and with SSG in BoG arc became Universal+. While in this video, SSJ4 is a 400,000x to 40,000,000x increased. SSG would be a Quintillions times increase, going from Solar system level to Universal.

Great video Chuck, shame that people are going to just cover their ears and speak louder that you're full of it. 😒

yeah I thought I seen this uploaded before

Could you do a what if planet hulk happened on planet Vegeta or sadal. I find it interesting and it goes with the movie coming soon

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

cosmic armor cell Amatsuphobia42 just destroy everyone

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

cosmic armor cell Amatsuphobia42 no dif

@cosmicarmorcellamatsuphobi1151

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Lopez yea the Saiyan's there are weak but either hulk will have a relationship with a Saiyan and have a family with them or they fight for a long time possibly non stop fighting for years and we get heart of the monster hulk and the Saiyan's would be just as powerful thanks to non stop zenkai boost

@cosmicarmorcellamatsuphobi1151

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Lopez but omg, maybe instead of evil Saiyan's making the ssjg appear it's hulk and they go to planet Vegeta and maybe the hulk would calm down and the evil Saiyan's would respect hulk and team up with him, maybe there's some girl Saiyan's and he mate with them

@haruhirogrimgar6047

6 жыл бұрын

Hulk at his peak was planetary level. Vegeta is casually planet. I would figure a planet full of people just under planet level could take the hulk pretty easily. Yes Vegeta is a prodigy and has ascended past the average Saiyan warrior. But it is not a stretch to think that most Saiyan's could be strong enough to reach his lower level feats (such as blowing up or creating moons.)

Easy to refute, you could argue that since Grade 4 relies on blending Super Saiyan into the consciousness of the normal state, that what upon initial climb indicates a ×10 boost on top of normal Super Saiyan, also gives a ×10 boost to base when the fighter goes back to his or her regular state, scaling it back down to 50× base power, otherwise it would make no sense for Super Saiyans 2 and 3 to be stated as 100 and 400× base would it? Besides it's now been revealed with Future Trunks's Strengthened Super Saiyan 2 in the manga that it's possible to literally strengthen the form to where it's as powerful as Super Saiyan 3 and it wouldn't surprise me if the form could be strengthened further, probably by a factor of 10× the original multiplication! My theory is that the Super Saiyan forms probably follow a multiplication pattern, so if Kid Goku's Golden Great Ape can be argued as a multiple of 10 from Super Saiyan, or perhaps from Super Saiyan 3 then that form could be anywhere from 500 to 4,000× base! Since Super Saiyan 3 is Goku's maximum I'm thinking that it's 4,000 but for arguments sake let's not assume anything, but navigate towards a figure based upon available data! Since the forms from Super Saiyan 2 onwards follow a pattern, 2 is twice Super Saiyan and 3 is twice that multiplication times Super Saiyan 2! What does that mean? Well assuming 4 follows the same pattern we would most likely be looking at Super Saiyan 4 being 8 times stronger than a Golden Great Ape boosted Super Saiyan 3, since it's a follow up of the Golden Great Ape and transcends the other Super Saiyan forms most likely in a particular pattern! That would give Super Saiyan 4 a 32,000× boost from base! Seems reasonable if you say Grades 3 and 4 are same but 4 is more controlled right?

@xxxhero7275

Жыл бұрын

I think he was actually wrong on the part about the golden great ape. It would actually make sense if they were of similar power, but there’s more to consider in the fight. First off, like shown in the saiyan saga even if a super saiyan form(full power super saiyan) is stronger power level wise it doesn’t matter as much if you leak too much ki and are slower both things that baby did the entire fight, the reason why ssj4 is stronger than the golden great ape isn’t because of the power level but because it has more stamina, leaks less ki and is faster than the golden great ape so compared to goku, baby was the equivalent of amateur fighter throwing wide and slow devastating punches that are easy to dodge and was practically tiring himself out, goku who was practically lightly parrying and tanking punches from baby and could really dodge literally anything baby does because of how slow he is didn’t have to do much of anything, goku could have probably done nothing and baby would defeat himself eventually.

@xxxhero7275

Жыл бұрын

It autocorrected parry to party......

@jpdicey789

Жыл бұрын

@@xxxhero7275 I see where you're going, but there is more to consider which would evidently make it more than it just being about stamina, although your theory probably does have some merit! Golden Oozaru is a 10× boost ontop of any of the Super Saiyan forms! Baby Vegeta's white-haired form that we first see him in is his version of Super Saiyan and when Kid Goku first fought him as a Super Saiyan 3, even though you could argue that Goku had stamina issues in his child body, his punch barely phased Baby Vegeta! Now bare in mind that Baby Vegeta gained power from the people of Earth so that he could transform into Strongest forms 1 and 2, which you could argue as being the equivalent to Super Saiyans 2 and 3, meaning that Baby Vegeta gained at least 8 times the power he originally had against Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku! After his initial fight against Baby Vegeta, Kid Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 was even stronger than before! Now, let's say that since Baby Vegeta's Strongest form boosts actually boosted his power by an extra 10 times due to the energy of all of Baby's followers (almost all of humanity). This would mean that in his Strongest form 2, Baby Vegeta was actually 80× stronger than he was in the White-haired Super Saiyan form! So despite being beaten to within an inch of his life and getting a zenkai which boosted his power somewhere between 5 and 10 times what it initially was, Kid Goku as a Super Saiyan 3, despite surpassing Baby Vegeta's original power in the White-haired Super Saiyan form, was still around 10 times weaker than Strongest form 2 Baby Vegeta! Then why was Baby Vegeta running from Golden Oozaru Goku? Simple, because Kid Goku's pain at not being capable of protecting Earth, pushed him over the edge when he looked up at it, not only boosting his power slightly higher than what it originally was, to the point where he has an eighth of Strongest form 2 Baby Vegeta's strength, but then it naturally boosted it by 10 in the Golden Oozaru to where Goku becomes 1.25 times stronger than Strongest form 2 Baby Vegeta! So if Baby Vegeta went Golden Oozaru and Goku finally went Super Saiyan 4, with one getting 10 times stronger and the other getting 8 times stronger then their powers would be even! That explains them knocking each other out followed by Baby controlled Bulma using the Blutz wave amplifier to heal and revive Baby Vegeta, leaving Super Saiyan 4 Goku powerless! It was only after Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Pan gave their energy to Goku with help from Majuub, that Goku gained a zenkai which unlocked Super Full-Power Saiyan 4 allowing Goku to go onto make Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta his bitch! Anyway, that's my thoughts on what happened between them both, although I would say the stamina issue was more of a problem throughout for Goku than it was for Baby Vegeta!

@jpdicey789

Жыл бұрын

@@xxxhero7275 It's even possible that as a Super Saiyan 4, Goku was slightly stronger than Baby Vegeta in Golden Oozaru form to begin with! Let's say that using the Toriyama scale if Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku was a 12 then Strongest form 2 Baby Vegeta was an 80, Golden Oozaru Goku was a 120 and Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta was an 800 and finally Super Saiyan 4 Goku was a 960, but due to stamina issues Goku's power became closer to Baby Vegeta's! Afterall, since Goku had only just transformed, it's reasonable to assume that his stamina issues were even worse than later on against the Shadow Dragons! Obviously this is just speculation, but it seems more likely than it being the other way around!

@xxxhero7275

Жыл бұрын

@@jpdicey789 that makes sense too.

Well what the fuck. Saiyan scholar gave ssj4 a 6.3 trillion multiplier.

Chuck, I have a question to ask of you, do you by any chance know how Golden Great Ape and Super Saiyan 4 stack up to Super Saiyan God? As I am asking this because of the fact that I simply don't know how much stronger Super Saiyan God is than Super Saiyan 3.

@babdulaziz-mk1kd

3 жыл бұрын

Ss3 is 400x basr God red is 40000x base And 100 times ss3

@xooox_1777

2 жыл бұрын

@@babdulaziz-mk1kd God being only 40,000x? Nahhhh it's 400,000x Look although this is equation is not cannon, it's backed up with enough proof for me to think so. Goku = 1 Vegeta = 1 SS3 Goku = 400 SS2 Vegeta = 100 (100+400)*2 = 500 Base Vegito = 1,000 SS3 Vegito = 400,000 Goku stated that even if He and Vegeta fused together as Vegito they wouldn't win against Beerus. So SSG is AT THE VERY LEAST = 400,000x multiplier, possibly higher

The Ten Commandments from seven deadly sins vs the 10 Espada from bleach but the Ten Commandments can't use their commitments because they're just overpowered for example half of the Espada lie about being the strongest and the other half are filled with hate.

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

The king Of Gods. I mean if they believe it ,its not considered a lie and its if they hate the person they are fighting which probably would happen to the weaker espada which would destroy yammy before he can even transform

@zerefas9331

6 жыл бұрын

The king Of Gods. nope in versus you can't do that.

@shadowgamer8575

6 жыл бұрын

The king Of Gods. Stop spamming he isn't ginna do a video about it

@robertbaldenegro8376

6 жыл бұрын

xXGamerXx uzumaki , I can't do what?

@robertbaldenegro8376

6 жыл бұрын

Shadow Gamer , you don't know that.

yeh Super saiyan 4 is the only think i liked about GT i actually like it more than SSb lol

@GokuInfintysaiyan

6 жыл бұрын

JustRnG Really? You didn’t like: Uub 10x Kamehameha Final Shine Baby Golden Great ape Super 17 Omega shenron Syn Shenron Eis Shenron Nouva Shenron A Gohan that can fight Return of Gogeta Etc.

@hyperkaioken4982

6 жыл бұрын

well i liked the big bang kamehameha gogeta did didn't like the villains thought they were pretty forgettable

@crimtheidiotgenius3694

5 жыл бұрын

GokuInfintysaiyan honestly I’d have preferred it if Gogeta DIDNT show up in GT because GT brutally murdered gogetas personality.

@jagtech490

4 жыл бұрын

Crimson Goku Black how

@redeye8605

4 жыл бұрын

They made him like Vegito

Could you do a power scale of the Disgaea verse?

You should Do a if dc was in the tournament of power video

Yeah that's all nice and sweet but it's still not stronger than our LORD AND SAVIOR YAMCHA-SAMA!!!!!!!

@declanedwards985

5 жыл бұрын

Yamcha is still fodder.

@bk-wi3wo

4 жыл бұрын

@@declanedwards985 did you say.....fodder? Who are you a knight?

@firstnamelastname4345

3 жыл бұрын

Yamchas has the art of playing dead.

power levels are bull s#%t!

Why did you reupload this vid? Is it cause a lot of people didn’t see this vid before?

I still think that Grade 4 is just no stamina drain. And increase in power can be explained by their base power getting stronger. They just had to master Grade1 and the time that was left they used to better THEMSELFS (And yes, I don't believe that spanish guide.) While Vegeta and Trunks were trying to achive higher levels of ssj, Goku (who's had more experience with the form than Vegeta and Trunks) and Gohan just mastered Grade 1 and strived to better themselfs SSJ Grade 1 = 50x SSJ Grade 2 ~ 60x SSJ Grade 3 ~ 70x SSJ Grade 4/Mastered SSJ/SSJ FullPower = 50x SSJ 2 = 100x SSJ 3 = 400x SSJ 4 ~ 40.000x SSJ 4 FullPower ~ 40.000x SSJ 4 UltraFullPower ~ 400.000x SSJG ~ 400.000x SSJGSSJ ~ 20.000.000x SSJGSSJ Kaioken20x/SSJGSSJ Evolution ~ 400.000.000x

Goku ssj4 = Ssj blue(ssj4 is a bit stronger) Goku ssj4 ultra full power = Vegeta ssj blue evolution

@treemane0

4 жыл бұрын

I wish man, but people gon fight you for saying that

@treemane0

4 жыл бұрын

@@ascendedalive yip

@sidecharacter3193

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah no dude no

@Theboy-co2ch

3 жыл бұрын

@@ascendedalive because dbs fanboys can’t accept the truth

@Theboy-co2ch

3 жыл бұрын

@@ascendedalive it’s worthless to debate because you’re always gonna say staff like:god ki this and god ki that

SSJ4 can easily take punishment unlike the God forms and also adapt to abilities and techniques, so SSJ4 can easily learn/adapt to God Ki. SSJ4 is a evolutionary form and a very powerful one at that. Also the God ritual is based on that scene from GT where Pan, Gohan, Goten, Trunks was giving SSJ4 Goku energy.

I think the super saiyan grade transformations refer to an addition multiplier so for example at 2:55, ssj1 is a 50x multiplier and then grades 2 and 3 add onto that, when you say that grade 3 is a 10x multiplier I personally think that it’s an addition to the ssj1 form meaning 60x base but it’s sacrifices speed so grade 4 is just the normal 50x with mastered stamina control because if it were the case to be a 10x multiplier to the ssj1 form then I don’t really see the point in the ssj2 and ssj3 forms and maybe even the ssj4 form when perhaps the grades could be mastered how the grade 4 ssj1 form was. (I’ve replied continuing my explanation)

@vilmas.2343

3 ай бұрын

to put it simply let’s say goku starts off at a power level of 1 and now ssj1 adds 50x so now it’s a power level of 50 and then grade 3 ssj1 is an additional 10x, I’d say that would be a power level of 60 and then ssj2 would be a power level of 100 since it’s 2x ssj1 and ssj3 is 4x ssj2 therefore it would be a power level of 400 and then ssj4 is just up to speculation really but many say it’s a 10x to ssj3 so therefore goku would have a power level of 4000 as a ssj4 (it’s the only way I can really make sense of the grades of ssj1 and the other forms without illogical buffs and instead a constant growth throughout the series)

When your power up multipliers are more then your enemies power level

My oc level of power Base form: galaxy level Ssj: 500x base form Ssj2: 1000x base form Ssj3: 4000x base form Golden great ape: 40,000x base form Ssj4: 400,000x base form Ssj god: ?????x base form Ssj blue: ?????x base form Ssjb kiaoken: ?????x base form Ssjb kiaoken times 10: ????x base form Ssjb kiaoken times 20: ????x base form U.I omen: ??????x base form MUI god knows how muchx base form

@spinoirrex2433

6 жыл бұрын

Saiyan beyond god: gets god ki in base form so his alt base form

@tommunism6471

6 жыл бұрын

Spinoir Rex thanks for that because we were *really* desperate to know this

@dudeman4240

4 жыл бұрын

Spinoir Rex your oc is ass juice

Look, it may be powerfull but it still pales in comparison to SSB, i think it's more on par with SSG. Just my opinion.

@nightwalker174

6 жыл бұрын

August Wolf Based on the DB Hero's manga, it's just below SSB

@fourultra119

6 жыл бұрын

Ha goku god from battle of gods one shot ssj4 goku and omega

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

Lord Omega that non canon and a way stronger goku(xeno goku) whose base shits zeno

@nightwalker174

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Lopez while that is true, you use the word "canon" as if you know how to use it properly

@zerefas9331

6 жыл бұрын

August Wolf nope ssg is stronger

Goku Vs. Superman 3 with guest hosts Seth and Chuck helping Wiz and Boomstick get it right

@Gypsygeekfreak17

6 жыл бұрын

thunderstudent agreed

I remember Broku72's video about this topic.

France won the World Cup

Super saiyan 4 is hyperversal duh

@thanthongsupawiwattakut

6 жыл бұрын

Ffff Qqesxg you mean "memetic"

@Mike-mb9pr

6 жыл бұрын

downplaying ss4 huh? smh

@jayveeruzforce905

5 жыл бұрын

Ffff Qqesxg Are you talking about Xeno goku?! Am i right?!

@Zion5G

5 жыл бұрын

GT Goku 100 years Of training Is stronger Then mui

When is Seth going to do that Xeno Bardock power level scalling video?

This is now a comment after the video regarding my other comment now I wonder what is the Super Saiyan blue Goku's multiplier

I dont see why people count SSG Goku and Beerus fighting and almost destroying the universe a GOKU FEAT. It's not. It took TWO people at that caliber to pull that off. GOKU COULDNT DO IT ALONE. BEERUS COULD. I think most of the power was coming from beerus and Goku is not universal.

@GokuInfintysaiyan

6 жыл бұрын

SheenCF Except you’re wrong. The power came from Goku trying to neutralize beerus’ punch and although he did somewhat, Gokus punch was still not perfect form and the class caused his energy to slip off and the scrap energy was enough to almost destroy half of universe 7 in 3 casual punches. That means that any kind of serious punch rather than a casual one would be universal considering Goku was still suppressed at the time he did that feat. It took 2 meaning it was shared but each would do half the feat due to it being a neutralization feat.

@jayzonedc6474

6 жыл бұрын

Goku neutralized the punches so even if it was all Beerus, Goku managed to match the attack strength

@nicholashoward971

2 жыл бұрын

ssg is stronger than ssj vegito who was stronger than buuhan was about to destroy the universe.

4000x power increased how high where they 😂

Can’t wait till super sayan 10 where his hair is so big that it’s universal level

@zombiedemon1762

3 жыл бұрын

At SSJ10 he might not have a biological body but instead be a being of pure super saiyan energy or a flying psychic fire ball.

The seagull from that episode if GT should have been in the tournament of power

SSJ4 is 1.2x stronger than Ultra Instinct. This is a joke

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

Vegito X yeah in design but I would think more

@zorro8027

6 жыл бұрын

Vegito X in design it stomps MUI no competition. In a fight then blue should be enough to take care of it.

@MidMan98

6 жыл бұрын

Vegito X Ssj4 will never be above Ultra Instinct because ssj4 brings the user to their utmost limits or simply maximum limits. Ultra Instinct goes WAY beyond that eventhough ssj4 can be pushed to break the user's limits to make the user a bit stronger.

@jeremiahwilliams6131

6 жыл бұрын

DevilMan98 that not exactly what UI is.breaking limits is something saiyan achieve through difficult battles

@MidMan98

6 жыл бұрын

Jeremiah williams I know Ultra Instinct is the mastery of self movement and not entirely a way to break your limits. Eventhough Goku was pushed passed his limits into it. Its definitely not like Vegeta's ssb evolution were it simply is him breaking his limits to reach a higher level of power.

Super sayian 4 > Ultra instict FIGHT ME

@purgatory1022

6 жыл бұрын

Liam Nesson If power was decided in design then SSJ4 would shit on the God forms and Ultra Instinct.

@alexthegreatest2894

6 жыл бұрын

Liam Nesson surely a better design but in power and ability i think it outclasses that form. If max power ssj3 goku was taken down by beerus in 3 hits, and it was stated that ssbkkx20 was near Beerus but still was massively weaker than ui omen and then mastered ui is stronger than that.... I think it's pretty clear the stronger "form" is ui. Since ui isn't a stack ontop of previous forms and its still massively stronger than gokus strongest for ever before, it definitely has a higher multiplier. And since Goku did a hell of a lot of training with Weiss, id wager that a stronger goku plus a higher form/technique multiplier plus the dodge and attack hax is going to yeild the stronger fighter.

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

Liam Nesson yeah in design looks way more badass

@JonathanLopez-xs6vr

6 жыл бұрын

alexander the greatest nah no need to debate this man too far gone

@communistjack2413

6 жыл бұрын

I believe Liam Nesson is trolling and if not whatever god you believe may he, she or it have mercy on your soul

Idk if true but wasnt ss4 to be like the form that bring out all your potential power and keep going i mean it was kinda the case with broly (super) but not so much gt

I know I'm late and what not but after watching this vid. I have questions that need to be answered . 1st Q. Which form is better in full power ultra ssj4 or ssjblue? 2ndQ. I know xeno goku has god essence combined with ssj4 is he still stronger than super goku even tho super goku went through the top? 3rd and final question. Can xeno goku beat jiren without ssj4?

@ballisticbuu9628

5 жыл бұрын

Ummm, ultra full power ssj4 would defintely be above ssjb but a normal super saiyan 4 is above ssjg but weaker then ssjb while a normal full power ssj4 is around or a little equal or somewhat around blue by default, as there isnt a maintainable multiplier for ssj4 since it can get stronger from ki consumption alone, as for question two with the feats xeno goku showed, he should be able to stomp jiren in base but if this is dragonball heroes super jiren like the dragonball heroes super blue goku then it's a different story.

Ssj4 still isn't stronger than ssgss

Now we have ultra full power super saiyan 4 limit breaker.

I still prefer to call it Mastered Super Oozaru or maybe Primal Super Sayian, since it's technically on a different transformation branch than pure super saiyan

@ZeroYami

2 жыл бұрын

The saiyan is super, for the fourth time, therefore it is super saiyan four.

Is this a reuploud?

As a GT fan this is nice to see, watch GT in Japanese its waaaaaaaay better and actually bearable to watch

It's 80-100x SSJ3, or 32k - 40k x Base. If you include the MSSJ state, it'd be 320-400 thousand x Base.

could you say the 1000x bluzwaves ment he could use the form for 1000x longer?

Oh god. The high ball is real for this.