Tom O'Loughlin is a rock star!

The story was written to state what early christian believed and they believed in the holiness of Mary from a very early start and not just in the 4 and 5 century. Whether its gospel or not still states that Mary is holy and was believed.

@eiontactics9056

2 жыл бұрын

No. It was written by gnostics. It is where the Roman Catholic Church gets their false Marian doctrines (Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Assumption, etc.) Which is not supported biblically.

@RedWolf5

2 жыл бұрын

@@eiontactics9056 Did you listen to the talk? No serious scholar of the antiquity or modernity has an issue with the study of this book. In fact as mentioned by Tom (including almost all modern Protestant theologians) this book immediately harmonizes and fusions the gospels of Matthew and Luke which gave start to very early heresies of the likes of Gnosticism! If it wasn’t for this text Christianity as we know it now would probably not exist and that why the study of this book is and should be encouraged by ALL Christians.

@mikejames303

6 ай бұрын

​@@RedWolf5big facts. This is by far my favorite apocryphal text. I don't get how people can claim it to be gnostic. I've read gnostic texts and they are totally different and a far less easy to comprehend.

Interesting and helpful - thank you very much! I love this idea that everything around Jesus was also more "otherworldly" than we have believed until now! I elevates Jesus even more and increases the wonder of his incarnation.

This is a great series!

This was very helpful. Thank you.

Pope Gelasius I, bishop of Rome 492-496, lists it among “The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognized by heretics or schismatics the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church does not in any way receive; of these we have thought it right to cite below a few which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by Catholics:” - Gelasian Decree, Chapter 5.

St Jerome says of it, "...This view does not have the authority of the Scriptures, it is rejected with the same facility with which it is approved.” (St. Jerome, Commentary on Matthew)

@lightVs.DarkBalance

2 жыл бұрын

Jerome disagreed with Joseph having children prior to his marriage with Mary..Jerome claimed Joseph was a virgin and because he was friend with the pope he went to the pope and had him put it on the list of heretical books

The Protoevangelium of James (the Less) was not only rejected, but it was even condemned by Popes Damasus I, Innocent I, and Gelasius I, as well as St. Jerome and other Church Fathers. Biblical scholars point out that the precise Greek of Luke says "man" for Joseph and not "old man" as it does for Zachariah in close proximity in the same infancy passage. The three most ancient icons of Joseph (3rd - 5th c.) also do not show him as an old man. The first icon to show Joseph as elderly does not appear until the 7th c. Some scholars point to Tatian the Heretic, whom Eusebius the Church Historian says is the author of the Encratite heresy, as the author of the Protoevangelium of James. This is why the aforementioned Popes rejected/condemned this apocryphal book due to its Gnostic leanings. Additionally, the West has held to the ancient tradition that Joseph remained a virgin like the Virgin Mary until he died. It is only in the East that Joseph began to be depicted as an elderly widower to "protect" Mary's virginity as Origin admits. We study this in more detail on the Josephology Facebook group and Josephology KZread channel as we cover all things Joseph.

@rpaw8344

Жыл бұрын

Great rebuttal.

Great stuff.

I love the Protevangelium of James... I don't care what people say .... the original of it was in Hebrew... and is in the Jewish Talmud.... thats all i need...

What is so hard to understand that God made Mary, a perfect vessel... sinless..... with out sin ... to bare our lord and king Jesus Christ.... God because flesh..

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So, when you say this was accepted in the first centuries by the Latin and Greek Church, you’re saying it was accepted by all of Christianity, right? There were no other churches until the Lutheran revolt.

@anopinion9830

9 ай бұрын

The Ethiopic church? They’ve been around

Good day! the resource person mentioned that St. Joseph was an old man with previous children...I'm finding it hard to accept this..because it will compromise the Dignity of the Holy Family according to God's design and the Catholics faithful like me...would be confused...The bible clearly said St. Joseph was a just man & had a chaste heart...In fact Mary of Agreda...narrates that St. Joseph consecrated his virginity to the Lord...God bless!

@xavieryoung7937

6 жыл бұрын

Tom O'Loughlin wasn't making any hard and fast claim about St Joseph's age. He's just pointing out that *in the Protoevangelium of James* Joseph is depicted as an old man. We have no real idea about what Tom O'Loughlin's opinion is just from this video. I think that theories about Joseph's age are often tied together with explaining Mary's virginity and Jesus's "brothers". There's basically two sets of theories. One is the one supported by the Protoevangelium of James, which is that Joseph was an older widower who married Mary as a caretaker and his sons from a previous marriage would become Jesus's step brothers. Second is that Joseph intended to live a chaste life with Mary and had no children and Jesus's "brothers" are actually his cousins. At the end of the day, I think that they both suit the Catholic faith well enough and it doesn't matter a great deal which version you find convincing.

Remember Simon aka Peter was given the keys to the kingdom. Acts2 when the prophetic shadow picture of Savuot aka Pentecost was fulfilled 120 followers of Yahshua recieved the baptism of the Holyspirit and spoke in togues as the spirit gave the utterance when the Jews who were gathered at Jerusalem temple for the feast of weeks witnessed the miraculous infilling of the Holyspirit they Peter and the rest of the ApostlesActs 2:37"what must we do?" Peter replied; "Repent and be baptised everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holyspirit( Acts2:38 covenant) For the promise is unto you your children those that are afar off even has many as the Lord are God shall call. See Acts chapters 10&11the Gentiles received the same gift of the Holyspirit with the same heavenly witness of speaking in tongues just as the 12 Apostle the woman ( Mary the mother of Jesus) did at the feast of weeks at the temple in Jerusalem.After Peter heard the Gentiles speaking in tongues he concluded God had put his spirit in them and asked a rethorical question can any man forbid these Gentiles be baptised since they have received the like gift as we did in the beginning(Pentecost) Then the Gentiles were baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus adding them to the assembly( ekklesia) just as the 3000 who gladly received Peters words at Pentecost to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. One Lord One faith One baptism One One One 1way to God baptised in Jesus name for (he) is God in the Father God in the Son God in the Holyghost these three are One. Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus the child to be born the son to be given would be called the prince of peace the mighty God and everlasting Father. Yahshua is not the second person he is the only person all the fulnest of the God's Divinity is in him.The mighty God is Jesus and its all in him.

@str.77

9 ай бұрын

Jeshua or Jesus.

Some of this information is confirmed in The Last Testament The Holy Quran .

O.k. So there is a big argument about Jesus being god or man or both. Because we have evolved from Jewish roots we only have one god. We don't have a female god or fertility god, so how do explain all this away and try and keep every body happy at the same time? I know, lets give Mary a back story that makes seem super human almost divine. Lets borrow stories from other writers, old and new testament, barren wives, miracles, motherhood, and children given up to god etc. Mary is human but pure and always a virgin. People can pray to her and ask special favours, this fills a gap for those who want a semi divine mother /fertility figure. I don't believe the child Mary would have been welcomed in the temple as weaver or a scholar there were strict rules on entry. So all that is pure fiction. I believe the Cult of Mary is all an excuse and not even a convincing one.

It's Gnostic. Funny how Rome adopts Gnostic heresies so readily.

@Surfxeo

7 жыл бұрын

/* you reject the Catholic Church then you must reject the Bible itself. */ You mean the Roman Catholic Church. Not the Catholic Church. A Roman Catholic Church is an oxymoron. It cannot exist and is against the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the combined Church of Christ that contains the Elect. We reject Rome because Rome rejects the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Sadly anyone who believes what Rome teaches today what it says must be believed around outside of Christ. The gospel what Rome has cannot save anyone. You should read the New Testament and words of Christ and the Apostles. There is not such thing as A Pope, priests, eternal virginity of Mary etc in the Bible. In fact the papacy is based on fraudulent documents from the 9th century. The "Catholic Church" is made up of believers from all churches. It means the general church. How many churches where in Asia in the book of Revelation? /* The Catholic Church gave you the Canon as you know it today. */ Again, If you mean Rome then it doesn't have an official canon of Scripture. It has never defined Canon of Scripture. Canon is defined by the author of Scripture and not any council or editors. If I write a book it is I who gets to define its canonicity. /* To many the Catholic Church is to blame for everything */ The Roman Catholic Church has been corrupted beyond recognition. It is impossible to recognise it today from how it looked even 300 years ago. The Christian church is a purely religious church but Rome has mixed politics in with religion. The book of revelation paints a very graphic picture of this as the "whore of Babylon" who sits on 7 hills. The Woman who rides the beast. There is no higher authority in Heaven or Earth than the Word of God. That is the example Christ has set for us.

@Surfxeo

7 жыл бұрын

Mark Gonzalez The Roman Catholic Church is a false institution based on fraudulent documents and deception. There is nothing Biblical about Rome, that is why its concepts are pagan in origin such as priests and the Pontifex Maximus. The well known fraudulent documents are Liber Pontificalis, Donation of Constantine and the Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals. That's not the Apostolic Church and not the beliefs of the early church. Even the church at Rome in the 2nd century only had elders and deacons. All church's were at one point independent of single region or dictator. It's not me who needs to repent. Read the words of Jesus and the Apostles!

@matheusmotta1132

5 жыл бұрын

Protoevangelium of James is gnostic? HAHAHAHAHAHA Good try, kiddo

@AM-qv9yf

5 жыл бұрын

@@Surfxeo The Catholic church rejects the Bible. I have friends who left it when they started reading the Bible.

@protestantwarrior1411

3 жыл бұрын

@@matheusmotta1132 It is gnostic. It contradicts the narrative of Mary told in the Gospels.