Ryder’s betrayal was made last minute they said the voice actor off Ryder said they did not need him no more

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

so how can you say that when dialogue says ''smoke better be right about this''

@stomper5432

11 ай бұрын

​@@LScentralcould be talking about anything your just another fan with an opinion you got no right making this youtube account your not a spokesperson for one of our childhood games just stfu and delete this channel

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

You didn't watch the video bro....

@mdh16off59

11 ай бұрын

​​@@5689ibro from introduction and debut of the game ryder was basterd

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

fr @@mdh16off59

I just watched the introduction movie for the first time yesterday, and what I got from the conversation between Ryder and Smoke, is that he was letting Smoke know that he's not betraying the Grove even if he had a gun to his head. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

That doesn’t follow with the unused dialogue when he says “Smoke better be right about this man” and if that were so why didn’t he do anything about it? 🤔 still doesn’t explain the missions working with SBF when they clearly have beef.

@moovehomie

11 ай бұрын

Come on man move

@FlaqkoGTA

11 ай бұрын

@@moovehomie MOVE

In the beginning they never targeted Ryder and big smoke leaving the funeral

@FlaqkoGTA

11 ай бұрын

Ryder still blast on them during drive thru and drive by

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

@@FlaqkoGTA that's cuz sweet was there also OMG flaqko hi but ryder was always supposed to be a traitor.

HEY FAMILY YOU MAKE ME THINK ABOUT THIS MORE AND MORE. You really hit solid points. I’m going to follow up with you.

From what I can see. RockstarGames just rushed without giving any depth to Ryder’s betrayal. Ryder acted the way he acted at beginning because he was upset CJ left Los Santos. As stated, CJ & Ryder were childhood friends so Ryder constantly being mad at CJ in the beginning was understandable. But everything after just doesn’t make sense. CJ doesn’t even mention him in the Green Sabre mission, only Big Smoke. R* probably just didn’t care about Ryder’s character enough.

@LScentral

10 ай бұрын

I think he had plans to betray them but rockstar didn’t know how exactly they wanted him involved because let’s be real most of the spots were filled

@Kippzy

10 ай бұрын

@@LScentral True. I honestly just wished they didn’t have him killed. There should’ve been a point where he explains to CJ how he was manipulated.

@viniciuslemes5774

5 ай бұрын

@@LScentral it's because ryder betrayel was supposed to be revelead only on photo opportunity! that's why cj's screams surprised at ryder... they did the thing all out of place... they decided to put ryder quiet into the CS with BIG SMOKE 2 catch 2 at once i gues..

Interesting video, in my opinion there isn’t really a definitive answer to whether he was always gonna betray from the beginning. I’ve seen evidence to support both viewpoints (you have good pieces of that in your video) and I honestly cannot be sure I fall on either side. But maybe your title is accurate and I’m just clueless lol

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

The definitive answer is that he is a traitor

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

you ryder's fanboy smh@@hofnarrtheclown

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

I never fanboyed LS Central, when he said Ryder wasn't a traitor, I still fought him cuz I've always believed this and it's THE TRUTH. So please get your facts straight, you disingenuous dense mother****er@@hofnarrtheclown

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown - fanboy

Ryder's betrayal was planned from the start? I've played GTA SA multiple times, and this theory sounds stupid.

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

it's 100% true and makes sense that Ryder was a traitor, I'm glad it finally came out.

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

It's not fake information though you just stuck on the idea of him being some grove st king@@hofnarrtheclown

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown this is not fake info it's real, you just think he's a gsf king or some bs like los said above.

He was not supposed to betray grove street

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

He was supposed to betray Grove Street

@moovehomie

11 ай бұрын

Man get your steppin

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown stop spreading fake info 🤡

@OceanGrownTV

11 ай бұрын

You didn’t watch the video

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

Shut up nigga@@hofnarrtheclown

I also believe he was supposed to betray GSF without examining the evidence. The conversations between Ryder and everyone else, especially with Smoke are very telling.

@iambloopy

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclownwhat do you make of the conversations between Ryder and Smoke? I’ve observed that in the beginning, Ryder and Smoke were not shot at. His first words were “You are just a liability CJ!” When CJ dropped by to see him the first time, he was so jumpy and standoffish, forgot that CJ was his homie. The infamous Drive Thru mission, Smoke is low-key threatening Ryder to keep quiet twice and eventually he submits. His constant negativity? Remember in Reuniting the families he left with Smoke? How Tenpenny and Polanski are comfortable entering and making demands in Ryder and Smoke’s house, but never Sweet’s or the Johnson house? They have to constantly corner CJ to even speak to him? But that same caution is never practiced around Smoke and Ryder? There’s a couple of clues if you read in between the lines.

@iambloopy

11 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@hofnarrtheclownread between the lines bro but I guess not everyone likes to. The argumentative Ryder, backing out of an argument? Now that’s news. He never backs down. CJ was never the head of the gang, he wasn’t responsible for its fall, Sweet is, so that anger should’ve been directed at Sweet too but he’s very upset at CJ in almost every mission, even behind his back because it complicates their plan to kill Sweet. Literally, the evidence of his oncoming betrayal is right there in the storyline but you guys refuse to believe it just because he was helping GSF. As for the Los Specu… mission, literally doesn’t count because coming by could’ve meant anything. He could’ve been in the neighbourhood or the house and even around Sweet, Tenpenny is careful. He never made any demands, only gave information. Even when you play chess bro, you never straight up get the king, he’s heavily protected. You manipulate the chessboard until the king is vulnerable.

@iambloopy

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclownone more thing… in the beginning, the Balla car also followed Sweet, so he was targeted.

@LScentral

10 ай бұрын

He pulled that out of thin air lol the introduction was made at an unknown point

Cool but last time i checked Ryder hates ballas i mean the dude literally beat up a teacher cause he was wearing purple

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

he loves SBF though.

Wait a minute... ain't the Seville Boulevard Families colors supposed to be dark green? Ryder is the only one wearing dark green out of the other main grove street members. Could he really have been Seville Boulevard the whole game? Why else would he be wearing the dark green instead of the green that other grove street members wear?

@moovehomie

11 ай бұрын

Nice shooeees homie

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

No dude seville was a new off brand set so NO maybe u could say he switched sets if anything

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown but not as long as grove st tho everybody was original grove st which why i said he couldn’t have been seville from the start cus THEY ALL was grove st from the start he most likely switched affiliation seeming how grove st wasnt on nun anymore

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown this isn't a theory it's confirmed by rockstar and MC Eiht himself so please stop spreading fake info.

You don’t go from beating up teachers for wearing Ballas colors to teaming up with them. Ryder was never supposed to be a traitor.

@LScentral

10 ай бұрын

I think y’all misunderstand he’s working with SBF more so

@yelhsanosnhoj6602

10 ай бұрын

@@LScentral he was with some Ballas in that Green Sabre mission cutscene and when they have the meeting where CJ’s taking pictures, for some examples…also seeing as Ryder was also just as mad with CJ for leaving them behind as Sweet the only one that didn’t care was Smoke…

Is there some story for LB, i have theory that maybe that's code name for some Ballas because CJ as high ranking GSF member didn't know about him and Ryder was traitor

we all know he wasn't planned to be a busta in the beginning. But they changed it in the end. The developers did all they could with the resources they had to make us feel that Ryder was a busta all along. To this day I feel he could've been such a good character if he didn't betray

They need to make a movie

I'll stick to canon, a traitor is a traitor unless Rockstar Games makes another 3D Universe game to show the closure on the events before GTA:SA even when it doesn't happen in Los Santos cus people keep crying that Ryder ain't a traitor which might be. Yea it sucks Ryder's character ain't finished since R* rushed his screen time then get CJ to find out later. In Photo Opportunity how did CJ already know Ryder is in the Loco Syndicate? He showed up out of the blue afaik so even tho it sucks to see Ryder as a traitor, he still did at least canonically.

Not sure if Ryder ALWAYS was supposed to Ryder betray the grove but in saying that 1. Rockstar designed this character dumb as hell as all of his missions contradicts this amongst countless other things. 2. Ryder been with grove since a child and would die for the grove why tf would he betray. 3. Rockstar was on crack when deciding to add Ryder to smokes plan. 4. It doesnt benefit the story whatsoever and is dumb story telling from rockstar in this one. ROCKSTAR ARE BUSTERS

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

Nbs im still hurt they did that ryder was my homie🥲 he kept it real wit us and supplied da hood wit guns i still aint over it then in gta 5 stretch betray us lile wtf is up wit dem😂

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown they acting like ryder wasnt down i heard the voice actor got into it with rockstar tho idk hos true tht is but most off the actors get into it wit dem other than frank n lamar

Ryder wasn't betraying Grove Street, he was the most loyal O.G , all Ryder's mission benefit Grove Street, while Smokes mission benefit him and have nothing to do with the Grove

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

Nbs and in the end they made it seem like we was suppose to care about smoke’s betrayal more than Ryders took bout 4 floors of enemies to kill smoke ryder go out so easily just a small swarm of enemies and no deep talk with him but wana hve a deep talk with smoke like Fxxk smoke nbs im more sad about ryder

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown crash must had something on smoke or he simply gave up ona families cus they wasnt up to much

@5689i

11 ай бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown stop spreading fake information dammit. RYDER IS A TRAITOR!!!!

@miguelpasamano4995

4 ай бұрын

@@dannyd9077 and, if he was really down with them, he'd've called CJ and showed him what's going on like Cesar did when he found out

Ryder was never supposed to betray them

@LScentral

10 ай бұрын

That’s an opinion not a fact

ok listening to your theory... what stopped big smoke and ryder from killing cj and sweet with emmits AK???? sounds good until you get to the point on , why didn't they do it then? sounds like everything was going according to plan, then he just gives cj the AK? i think maybe you overlooked something unless i missed something

Ballers and grove are all the crip card just read there sets not every crip gets along I know

U need to make a movie

Play the beginning on the game missions u will realize ballers and grove are both Crips sweet tells u they temple drive ballers they don’t ride with us nomore

@dannyd9077

11 ай бұрын

He did not say ballas😭

Weres Rollin heights ballas

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

In the works.

I will continue to deny this. But I'll still see jus because

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

Even if you dislike the idea, you will still uncover something you overlooked.

Bruh did he play em or not bc the last one y’all was sayin he wasn’t lmao

@LScentral

8 ай бұрын

He played them and I found a lot more stuff since the last video

@jaysantanaofficialmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@LScentral oh bet

God bless

Stop making the same content

@LScentral

11 ай бұрын

This isn't the same content though. I'm expanding on a theory.