One thing to add here: the fight scenes in 300 were choreographed by the 87Eleven stunt team of Chad Stahelski/ David Leitch, the creators of the John Wick franchise, they also made Atomic Blonde ( Leitch is the director) and choreographed the fight scenes in Watchmen. For some reason Snyder did not bring them back for Rebel Moon & Army of the Dead and it shows. The fight scenes on both these movies are really bad.

@AuspexAstarte

5 ай бұрын

This seems like a really important detail that adds much more context and objectivity to the points being made.

@julianseguin2748

5 ай бұрын

Actually, the reason the choreo looks so wonky is because it was sloppily edited to fit the PG-13 standards. The R-Rated Cut will look much better.

@doublep1980

5 ай бұрын

@@julianseguin2748 Suuuuure....

@UNJELL

5 ай бұрын

They were still on Superman? I liked the kryptonians fighting and some action scenes of Justice League. But after that, as you said, the fight scenes on Rebel Moon and AotD are terrible.

@danis8455

4 ай бұрын

Atomic blonde is so good for the fight scene!! Would dare to call em better than john wick as well

You definitely pinpointed Snyder's weakness. It makes me wonder if he relied on others more in the past and now thinks he can make movies based on his vision alone. Obviously he can't

@_M....

5 ай бұрын

That's exactly the case. from second unit directors to stunt coordinators to director of photography, he was carried his entire career. the few things a director should be good at he has never been and has seemingly gotten worse at.

@jackcrook6330

5 ай бұрын

Or maybe he's crawled up his own ass over the years. So caught up in his own ego he doesn't realise the crap he's churned out. Bought into his own hype. You're more than likely right but thought it was worth mentioning this possibility

@icecold1805

5 ай бұрын

@@_M.... I know little about movie production, but i would simply change your comment, I wouldn't say he was "carried" by these people, but rather he used to have a healthy relationship with his team and knowing to rely on experts on doing what they are better than him at doing, and now he has moved into trying to do everything himself.

@ArmyWolves

5 ай бұрын

I love that Snyder is bold enough to explore 'new' ideas like Army of the Dead, Rebel Moon and so on... But his ego and thinking he is an amazing writer and storyteller is just... Snyder, Michael Bay, Christopher Nolan, James Cameron are amazing visionaries and can bring some amazing ideas to the screen and even pioneer certain filmmaking tactics in the process but most of them can't write a coherent, consistent, engaging character/story to connect that visual masterpiece they bring to the screen entirely on their own. They need a competent writer or well written source material to adapt.

@davfree9732

5 ай бұрын

Rebel Moon was the moment where I saw ZS as a better JJ Abrams. At least he made his own IP. Sure it’s not that good, but he didn’t screw up a beloved franchise in his ambition. Meanwhile JJ is postulating making another Trek film that is a prequel… Ala… before the Kelvin timeline branch off. If he does I’m going to have a field day explaining why JJ and Secret Hideout Trek are alt continuity… but in fairness I’ll wait till after the film is made, or more likely, not made.

"she embraces her plot armor" got me rolling lmfaoo

Zack Snyder is basically the Michael Bay without the self awareness or care to even try anymore.

@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511

5 ай бұрын

Es Michael bay si no le gustará linkin park o los discursos

@JIMT412

5 ай бұрын

​@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 no se divierte haciendo lo que hace. Podemos señalar lo muy malas que son las películas de Transformers, pero se nota que el tipo le encantó hacerlo

@TheAsuraeva

5 ай бұрын

With slowmo instead of explosions

@blacky8987

2 ай бұрын

bruh transformers 1,2,3 and bad boys are fkig good bruh

@blacky8987

2 ай бұрын

@@JIMT412 malas para ti lloron Xd pero en si transfomers literalmente moldio a todo una generacion de niños que hasta el dia e hoy de adultos seguimos viendo sus 3 primeras transfomers

I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that 300's sucesses were the work of someone else, some uncredited person that essentially made Zack's career. We can see plain as day with Sucker Punch and his two Netflix movies that he was clearly carried his whole career by second unit directors, stunt teams, cinematographers and adapting stories that were already written and have built in fan bases.

@SymbolCymbals2356

5 ай бұрын

I mean 300 was ripping visuals directly from the comic book it's based on as closely as possible, it's why it has the look it has because it's trying to copy the art style and while impressive that it was pulled off the credit totally goes to the rest of the crew. In the end it is mostly the comic creators' vision and not Zack's, he did do a good job adapting but idk how much credit he can really claim as his own

@rsmith8113

3 ай бұрын

Watchmen and Man of Steel were awesome too

Well, the iconic moments 'he created' were just recreations of someone else's artwork. The 300. The Watchmen. He did a good job on those, because he didn't really contribute anything. He just made what was on the page. But I guess, that's what we're seeing, right? He sees something cool someone else made, and adds it to his story. The slow motion was nice, because it highlighted how the real life elements of the scene looked exactly like the scene in the comics. But it doesn't work as well, if there aren't any comics to call back to.

@piercedbylight

5 ай бұрын

My thoughts as well. He should hire an artist to physically storyboard his stories, might improve the film

@motor4X4kombat

4 ай бұрын

Yeah even for me is hard to say that watchmen is his best mature work when most of it come from the comics and Alan moores writting. The only thing contribution i like from him is the opening credits showing each member from minutemen/watchmen their story that wasn't in the comic but it was a welcome adition.

@rsmith8113

3 ай бұрын

He is amazing at adaptations but not with original content. I think his Superman was amazing. But even you disagree, one thing for sure the casting in his movies are always on point.

@dosomestuff1949

2 ай бұрын

Nah, he genuinly worked for those.

@dosomestuff1949

2 ай бұрын

Nah, he should have someone WRITE the story for him. Story boarding is his strenght

It's sad because Sofia Boutella is kind of a badass in Kingsmen. It helps that she has swords for legs but I also feel they just used her well in fight scenes.

@KedondongIQ78

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. The lady has talent indeed

I didn't know Snyder did both. That explains the scene where the dude jumps and destroys the spaceship with a stick (it reminded me of the epic jump attack from 300 - now I know why).

Zack Snyder is Michael Bay minus the self awareness.

@superspies32

3 ай бұрын

Correction: minus the super duper explosion

@alastairwallace6153

2 ай бұрын

​@@superspies32grass splode

Let's not forget that Zack Snyder might release a snyder version or director cut of the first part that is longer, which might become a Zack Snyder thing, to release a small version first and then a longer version.

@lanalan4157

5 ай бұрын

So stupid

@RennieAsh

2 ай бұрын

Rebel Moon : Snyder Cut²

@alastairwallace6153

2 ай бұрын

He has no excuse this time, its just a bad movie, he had complete control in its direction and delivery.. this is not a Warner Bros management issue. No amount of extra scenes fix slo mo bs or bad scenes that already exist. Dune 2 did it without half this rubbish and achieved sci fi, story and action gold. Slo mo was good for the matrix then it got tired.

If kara was somehow genetically engineered or enhanced in some way, that fight scene might work. Maybe she's from a planet with a greater gravity than normal, which is why she's small but really strong for her size, that could make sense. But she's just really well trained. Only she doesn't act like she's well trained. Someone who is well trained knows their own weaknesses and physical limitations and plays to their own strengths. She could seduce them to get close and get a gun to even the odds. Maybe bring them something to drink and drug them, then kill/incapacitate them once they're no longer a threat. She could even go get some help from the locals, so it's not such a one-sided fight. What she shouldn't have done is close the distance with the soldiers with only an axe. That's a sure ticket to wind up dead or tied up alongside the first girl to "entertain" the soldiers after they kick they crap out of her. That bar fight scene was just dumb.

@snmcfadden

5 ай бұрын

Honestly I don't really care about that stuff. It's sci fi space stuff, just assume she's an alien that's very strong and agile. Because this is very far from the biggest problem with the movie.

@meodrac

3 ай бұрын

Or make her use a special kind of martial arts and show it through choreography

@Rootiga

Ай бұрын

@@snmcfadden i cant stand the "normal looking human but actually an alien/god/robot with infinite strength" trope in every modern movie... make whatever it is actually look as strong as it claims to be

one of my favourite EFAP guests and now I'm binging your content. Great work, love the scene comparisons. great to see you compare how something is done good, before explaining how one is done poorly.

@AnirudhTammireddy

5 ай бұрын

what's EFAP?

@masterofpuppets5568

5 ай бұрын

@@AnirudhTammireddy Every frame a pause, run by Mauler, Fringy and Rags. They break down movies, etc. Mauler can be found on open bar with the critical drinker and the real bbc with nerdrotic and az

@AnirudhTammireddy

5 ай бұрын

@@masterofpuppets5568 thanks!

@bananess_

5 ай бұрын

@@AnirudhTammireddy a podcast. HIGHLY recommend. #13 and #177 are some good ones!

@AnirudhTammireddy

5 ай бұрын

@@bananess_ saved. thanks for the suggestions.

6:08 it's so hilarious, to see the table absolutely riddled with holes... like, this is the table she was using as cover and a moment ago it was laser proof...

Synder's approach to film making is like Billy McFarland's approach to festival planning: disastrous

@Felipin7228

5 ай бұрын

Nice! That reference was fyre, my dude.

The beginning of this comparison review had me in STITCHES!🤣

That scene with the woman with the swords reminds me of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but in that movie it's used to great comedic effect by having Indy just pull out his gun and shoot the guy. The same scene used in Rebel Moon serves no purpose other than the aesthetic itself and has no further thought gone into it other than it looks cool on camera. In Raiders, it demonstrates how Indy isn't intimidated because he has the smarts to know he has the superior weapon. Synder has looked at that scene and thought it's cool, but learned no lessons as to why it exists.

I think part of the problem is that after the tragedy that Snyder experienced, he lost some of his drive for making media. He was probably dragged back to work on the Snyder cut, and after that was big, they started trying to push him further. Either that or he just isn't actually a good filmmaker

@jacketjoestar9064

5 ай бұрын

It’s the latter dude, he’s just not a good film maker

@milovarquiel

5 ай бұрын

Nah, tragedy has nothing to do with it, he is nihilist, he doesn’t care about his loss. He simply doesn’t have talent, he has a career thanks to his wife who connected him with real talented people. It seems after tragedy struck he and his wife strained their relationship and without her help, it shows what kind of untalented hack he is.

@kayagoksoy

5 ай бұрын

@@milovarquiel Ok step back for a few seconds, I don't like most of his stuff but talking about how a dude doesn't care about the suicide of his kid is fucking fucked up. Get some help.

@rsmith8113

3 ай бұрын

@@milovarquielokay you need a doctor

@harmacist6623

2 ай бұрын

​@@milovarquiel"Tragedy has nothing to do with it" is such a poor take through and through. You're underestimating how that sort of thing can significantly affect people.

What really bothers me about Rebel Moon is that it's not a very good looking movie. I wasn't expecting a good story or anything, but I was hoping for good visuals. It's a ugly looking blurry film with bad cinematography.

@KafuKemeh

3 ай бұрын

Me when I lie and have bad eyesight

My guy, I am so glad you put up another video. Times are tough, but a little easier with Jedi Brooks material to ease us through.

Sofia Boutella can do a fight scene. But instead doing a "Gazelle" fast and agile style, he used her as a Leonidas.

That scene from 300 when the Spartans are getting pushed back, they hold, then throw their shields up...that definitely was a goosebumps moment. Awsome.

How does Netflix waste sooooooooo much money.

@Rootiga

Ай бұрын

taxes

More often than not, quick action scenes are more impactful than slow mo ones. If someone on screen suddenly has their neck broken, it will cause the audience member to have a more visceral reaction. It is more visually exciting. Whereas with slow mo, you see it coming and are most often left with no visceral reaction at all. Instead you just want it to hurry up and be over with. John Woo is another director 'guilty' of this but to a lesser degree, with action scenes (a car crash for example) being repeated multiple times and in slow mo.

What Snyder is doing now reminds me of when Eddie Van Halen started doing everything on Van Halen III. Artists have specialties and they should lean into them and let others carry other parts. His best movies are with solid setup with other writers like Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen and his Justice League. Now he’s the DP, Director, AND screenwriter. He needs to take great writing and visualize it, that’s what he’s arguably best at.

I couldn't make it past the Cantina scene. There wasn't a single original thing in the part of the movie I did groan through. It was just terrible.

Referring to his slo-mo over usage as his special sauce he smears on everything is the PERFECT analogy omg! 😭

Snyder is a victim of his own success. Like you said, he just uses slow motion wherever he thinks it will look cool.

6:41 even stormtropers have better aim than him

300 is definitely an amazing film. Dawn of the Dead, too. And yes, Army of the Dead was most definitely not. But I'm still Team Snyder. Take ZSJL, for example. Was it overlong? Yes. Probably by about 30 minutes or so, I'd say. But it's a 4-hour movie, so having it be 30 minutes too long didn't really offend me. That means there's about 3 and a half hours of pretty solid entertainment in there. Or how about BvS? A mess. However, the Director's Cut was significantly improved. Much more coherent. And the themes in it genuinely interesting. I make no claims that Snyder is infallible, but whenever his full vision gets the light of day, it always an improvement (usually a significant improvement) over what we got in theaters. Rebel Moon was not great (albeit still better than any Star Wars film since Rogue One), but I'm quite interested to see the Director's Cut, which promises to be nearly an hour longer and R-Rated. The movie had massive pacing problems and the action felt clipped, but both of these problems could be resolved with more runtime... and historically Snyder has done so multiple times. Snyder's isn't a great writer, though a director I'm still quite the fan. He just needs strong writers to help him share his visions with the world and for studios to get out of the way. I really think his biggest problem isn't that he's a hack, it's that his eyes are bigger than studios' stomachs.

Didn't watch Rebel Moon, but I saw this particular fight scene & was like: why aren't they shooting the hostages? In any scenario where you have a hostage & you have a weapon to that hostage & someone starts fighting your guys to free said hostage, you threaten the bloody hostage! If they keep fighting to free the hostage, you bloody kill the hostage! Such a shite unrealistic film.

The plot and script were so incredibly thin and lazy, hate that I'll never get those two hours of my life back.

Snyder is not a storyteller. He should only direct 1 action scene in slow motion and then get the f%ck off the studio and let an actual director, like Nolan, do all the rest.

I very regularly come back to that duel scene, in fact I had rewatched it about 5 days ago before this video. As for the overuse of slow motion, I suspect most of Snyders movies would be 40 minutes long if you remove it.

Make a Spider-Man comparison scene next and also do marcel's ECHO when you get the chance.

I tried watching it and gave up when Cory Sthol uttered ' we are just simple farmers' in a terrible cetlic(ish) accent. I think it was 15 minutes in , could have been longer as I lost the ability to perceive time correctly due to slow-mo farming. I just found your channel and watched loads of your vids, excellent work.

I am 0% surprised. Films like Watchmen and 300 and Legend of the Guardians were based on books. Well written books. When Snyder is left to his own devices to come up with his own story, you get crap like Suckerpunch.

I loved snyders trilogy in the dcu . . . . Despite the flaws. Definitely a guy that needs a team around him that can highlight his strengths and minimise the excesses

@lanalan4157

5 ай бұрын

Absolute trash

Really good breakdown. Thank you!

I haven't seen the movie so I have to ask: at 1:25 is Dollar Store Furiosa's Evil Bilbo scream digitally edited for this video or did it really look like that in the film??

@jedibrooks7235

2 ай бұрын

Yes the xenomorph lady that shit was real lol

YEEEESSS!!! Scene comparisons are BAAAAACKKKK!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

ah, was trying to remember where I knew your name from, saw you on Drinker's outtake.

Yep, This was a huge proof how talentless and clueless this guy is. He thought he is on the level of Chris Nolan lol

Zack has three good movies. Superman,Watchmen and 300.

The problem with Zach Snyder is his inability to compress his piece. Even though this could easily solved with reducing the slow mo sequences

I beg to differ, aquaman's upside down slow motion sequence was the most disgraceful scene ever to be produced, and it still stands undefeated

I thought I was the only one who didn't like Rebel Moon despite liking some of Zack Snyders movies. The action in Rebel Moon was really boring compared to the high adrenaline tense action of example: Man of Steel

This movie felt like watching a compilation of great action scenes from various action movies. The scene about taming the giant bird reminded me so much of avatar.

LOL I love the *coke sniff* at the end, it's quite appropriate :P

its funny how many movies i find out exist because they're being trashed talked on youtube. i have never heard of rebel moon until now. and until 2 days ago i never heard of madame web. are there any good movies being made at all anymore?

@dosomestuff1949

2 ай бұрын

Dune 2

rematch! The grain! Do the grain sequence, jedi brooks!

I'm really curious to know if you enjoyed Man of Steel? I really liked the storytelling, character setup(even though we all know supermans story) fight scenes and fast pacing, to cramp as much story into the 2.20 hours it lasted!

I prefer his detail world building and stories and didn't waste my time ZSJL. We want his version of DC back. #RestoreTheSnyderverse

@alastairwallace6153

2 ай бұрын

I just dont want to see ezra back again

@randynguyen9778

2 ай бұрын

@@alastairwallace6153 I don't mind seeing him in the films I can separate thr actor from the person.

In 300 he got frank Miller hand holding him.

More! I need more of you videos!

For me, Zack Snyder annoys me because he was given the creative and financial freedom to make something original and Rebel Moon is what he came up with; an ugly, derivative piece of garbage. And let me be clear; I do NOT care if your story is original. I'd take a well-polished wheel over or something that tries to be a wheel mechanically but fails. It's all about execution with the story and characters. Rebel Moon has none of it. The concepts Zack has presented in the movie I have seen better in other films and shows. Seven Samurai, Battle Beyond the Stars, and Guardians Vol 1 all do the whole band of warriors uniting to stop a bad guy. The world building is utter nonsense with factions making no sense to sheer plot holes in how they function. And let's not forget the main character. I am so sick and tired of girl bosses just being able to power through folks larger than their size without any effort or strategy. A point of comparison, Blue Eye Samurai, Mizu had to work incredibly hard to become as skilled as she did with a sword. And even so, it isn't easy. She gets cut up, she overestimates herself, makes bad decisions etc. You get the sense she's capable but not invincible. But hey; apparently I'm a mysognist or something for pointing that out. All in all, what a waste of a concept and really Zack Snyder really should just go away. Because I know plenty of indie directors with more talent then him.

Well we still haven't seen the director's cut yet so we'll see it there or in the sequel. Zack Snyder know what he is doing.

I rather watch Battle Beyond The Stars again than Rebel Moon.

What do you think of Dune?

No, 300 is remembered for its dialogue, not its action. This is Sparta! Our arrows will blot out the sun. Then we will fight in the shade. Eat hearty men, for tonight we dine in hell.

I'm 6'2" and over 200 lbs but even if I was some year ago in military reserve - in french fusiliers marins , yes french marines - I will not evaluate someone only his/her size or sex - and dancers are surprisingly strong for their frame -. The fight scene is unbelievable , du to the amount of grappling distance fighting with trained professional soldiers and the oportunity she gave to them to retrieve their shoulder weapons. If you are thinner and smaller you are in disadvantage when you grapple , but if you are smaller your center of balance is closer to the ground , sweep could be used if their balance is compromised. If she had the professional reflex to the layout A fight is occurring, use diversion and if you can , kill one of them and if he caries his weapon take it. No warning shoot , the brutality could paralyse about 80% of soldier for short time ... Use surprise to hit hard ... If they are just bullies , and they could , core world seem to lack competitors , they will shatter.. if they are soldiers two are already down you had improved your odds.

I made it about 45 min into the movie when I just couldn't take it anymore and turned it off.

The last few seconds hurt haha I got 47 minutes into Rebel Moon. Googled 300 rebel moon. Found this. Watched this and gave up on watching rebel moon 😂

This doesn't feel like a breakdown, more like a bandwagoning

don't forget about sucker punch! after seeing that movie, i don't really know much about it or why i should have cared about anything in it, but i do know at the end i was too drunk to leave the theater or drive home.

Was never a fan of this guy, even in his 300 days.

Amen. And, amen,...and amen.....

It really pissed me off that I got somewhat invested in the pacifist robot picking up a weapon to save someone after swearing off war... only for the robot to leave right after...

@jneilson7568

4 ай бұрын

That's where I quit the movie. Clearly the right decision 😂

I want him to figure it out and do something good because he’s very obviously had an impact on cinema

Just like Jordan peele with the movie Get Out and , M night shyamalan with the sixth sense one hit wonders

@xvuela

5 ай бұрын

Nope ?

Excellent analysis

Alright that interview at the end clearly shows Zack Snyder had no idea what he was doing.

Haha! Slow-mo sesame seeds and flying hot dogs. Oh my god!

man i really had hopes for this, really hoped that we might have another pseudo fantasy sci fi franchise like dune, but no.

I think i went "Yeah Right!!" several times when her plot armor was in effect. I didnt hate the movie watching it but I was thinking it's not bad but felt like Star meets Serenity. I wasn't super impressed but my coworker recommended it. I didnt know the movie was so hated.

300 got frank Miller.

300 is only 30 mins long if slow mo is played at regular speed

The audio levels are a bit off.

You all say you don't like a bunch of trash pop culture put in a blender and made into slop, but I recall a show called Game of Thrones...

Because he's not a writer! and should not be allowed to do anything besides direct what a competanat writer has created

Wonder if it’s the same choreographer that did Echo

300 and watchmen were comics. 300 he followed the comic faithfully. Watchmen was close. He was only the director on those. He did everything with full freedom on army of the dead and this horrible movie. Couldn’t be more diff. And his Dc sucked almost completely

Jack snyder lacks vision, his character has no personality. All of his character has same mood and tone.

Zack the Hack

WB lost who knows how much cash paying mr edge guy to burn the DC licence but big wigs act like "that'll never happen to me"

I was waiting for the slomo complaint 😂😂😂... Abuse is the right word

I think he took things way too far when the one character was brushing his teeth and Snyder did it in slow motion.

I'm fine with visual over storytelling, but Rebel Moon doesn't even have that. It looks like shit.

This video is mostly correct apart from the snipe at Rian Johnson for Subverting Expectations! Rian did good LOL

@jedibrooks7235

5 ай бұрын

Rian ruined star wars with his subversion fetish not much more to say on that as we have seen the dmg to the franchise since

@chasx7062

5 ай бұрын

@@jedibrooks7235 LMFAO Rian Johnson is holding another card: DO YOU MISS ME YET??? Compared to JarJar Abrams & Zach Snyder & the rest of Disney's hacks, Rian is a genius muhahah

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom

5 ай бұрын

He did that great in Knives Out. Not in TLJ.

@amrabilalovic9651

2 ай бұрын

Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars with his "subversion fetish" is one of the most iconic sentences on the internet.

I honestly think he made what he was asked to make, which is a space adventure movie for 9-12 year old boys. Its Zack Snyder for kids. Simple script, simple trope characters, watered down versions of his cinematography style. It doesn't have to make sense, a 12 year old boy just sees a bad ass hot chick killing bad guys, and space, and giant eagle horses, and robots, and aliens, and violence, and it feels edgy and deep, like they're watching a movie for grown ups.

7:35 eardrums bleeding thx

I’ll always be grateful for 300 and Watchmen…but I didn’t even bother with rebel moon

Why a fight scene with an axe to have zero blood? If she said we can't kill the soldiers, they will send 10 times as many and proceeds to only use the blunt end of the axe that would have made some sense.

@KafuKemeh

3 ай бұрын

The fight scenes were censored in the pg-13 cuts, the r-rated cuts would be gorier and bloodier

@Ryan125y

3 ай бұрын

@@KafuKemeh it's Netflix there is no MPAA. If the movie needed blood to make sense it should have blood

@KafuKemeh

3 ай бұрын

@@Ryan125y well Netflix told Zack to release a pg 13 version with minimal blood

Jj ruined mystery, ugh, no. Ryan did

Other excellent slo-mo, Dredd 2012

Ur right my guy

and so many comics fans liking the snyders cut XD....its so bad.

the drama in the movie did not warrant slow mo

Am watching the movie while watching this...

The same reason that the OT was so much better than the Prequels, and the LOTR trilogy was miles better than the Hobbit trilogy - constraints. In the original trilogies, they were working under constraints. Financial, time, technological, and quite frankly, *the ability to say “no”.* In the first trilogies people were willing to say “no, that’s dumb” to Georgie-boy and Peter Jackson. Whether through sheer belief in their ability or corporate interference, that ability was lost by the second round of trilogies, resulting in… that. Same thing is going on here. Snyder no longer has people around him willing to tell him “no”.

You have exactly one tool at your disposal: your wallet.