John Henry Cardinal Newman once said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."

@washedsanctified

26 күн бұрын

He also invented the idea of the development of doctrine in order to justify the vast difference between papist and ancient Christian doctrine

@trismegistus2881

26 күн бұрын

@@washedsanctified Most 'Papist' doctrine has its roots in the Bible and the ancient Church, especially in the essentials of the faith: Petrine office (Matthew 16:18), transsubstantiation (John 6 51-55), forgiveness of sins by the church (John 20:23), etc.

@washedsanctified

26 күн бұрын

@@trismegistus2881 I doubt it is possible for anyone to become a papist from reading Scripture alone, even if they were to read the church fathers the romanism of today would be a foreign concept. Regarding the passages you cite, you can only come to such a conclusion through a faulty presupposition, furthermore the majority of church fathers would disagree with you

@patrickdean4853

26 күн бұрын

@@washedsanctified never heard it put that way. Example?

@patrickdean4853

26 күн бұрын

@@trismegistus2881 Protestant theologians love the Bible, except certain points that emasculate their theology.😂

The biggest issue with protestantism, is that to defend your faith and your dogmas, you have to rely on church fathers to show that the trinity wasn't made up centuries later, or that some dogmas are inherent to christianity, from the beginning. But when asked, the church fathers taught Catholicism, orthodoxies and other dogmas that are part of all (or most of) apostolic churches. Then how can a protestant defend his dogmas using 'heretic' writtings? You end up hitting the wall full speed. You literaly can't defend your dogmas without using catholics or orthodox teachings, ressources and church fathers. So when you need it to defnd your faith you use it but when you are looking for other dogmas that none of the early churches taught, these church fathers are not valid anymore?

@TyrannicalReigner

25 күн бұрын

@@legenieduturfu8848 It's not that they are not valid. It's that their writings are not the exclusive means of the transmission of Holy Tradition. The Holy Spirit is. We are not primarily evidentialists. Although evidentialism does matter, it is not the end all be all of the faith.

@MicahMicahel

25 күн бұрын

I know a Christian that is believing heretical ideas and when I try to clear it up through scripture it's impossible. So I can take the tact of saying, Catholics, Orthodox and early protestant churches all believe this theology:__ The problem with this is the media is so dishonest for people that want Christianity and they see it... so they look at church fathers with the same scepticism. It puts me into this weird position of being someone pushing mainstream 'lies.' The church fathers weren't corrupted by corporate interests or communist ideology sneaking in. The society has made so many people demoralized.. where they think everything is a trap.

@maximaphily601

18 күн бұрын

There was no "catholic" or "any other" denomination with the earliest of the church so-called "fathers" (given such a lable for mere identification purposes). Sorry, I only need to turn to scripture to prove the trinity was not made up, not revelaed by a "church father"! Perhaps if you dump those corrupted Roman Catholic bibles, you too can turn to scripture and CLEARLY see it!

@maximaphily601

18 күн бұрын

Yes the so-called "church fathers" confirm scripture that there is a trinity! Where do you think they got it from? Not a Roman Catholic bible, that is for sure!

@TyrannicalReigner

18 күн бұрын

@@maximaphily601 Correct, there was no denominations because there was only one Church, which the Church fathers that you clearly have no reverence for were a part of. That Church looked nothing like any protestant denomination, including whatever you're a part of.

The true sadness of Protestantism is that it, collectively, demonstrated what happens when you invent your own version of Christianity. Countless denominations teaching every garden variety of error. From predestination to arguments over peadobaptism, seemingly one denomination competing to be “less” Catholic than another. It’s just sad to watch. There is a good reason that the Catholic Church has survived for 2000 years, it’s called being instituted by the Divine and promised, by God, to never fail. Mt 16:18. Simple as that.

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

*"invent your own version of Christianity"* Every major version of Christianity is an invention. *"There is a good reason that the Catholic Church has survived for 2000 years"* Thanks to the backing of the Roman Emperors.

@patrickdean4853

26 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm read more history

@timothyoreilly6675

26 күн бұрын

They (Protestants) need anti-Catholicism as it's the ONE thing that they can all agree on.

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

@@patrickdean4853, Yeah, you read Josephus Flavius.

@patrickdean4853

26 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm a great deal more that Josephus. Give it a try yourself … facts are stubborn things, like the only the Orthodox and Catholic Church that can claim to be 2000 years old. May God bring them back together after 1000 years of unnecessary division over a simple argument regarding the procession of the Holy Spirit. Protestants said- hold my beer, we will show you true pettiness.

I've noticed that the Catholic number is remaining flat and despite everything, Protestantism is declining everywhere. Australia, Canada, and New Zealand have more Catholics than Protestants. Pentecostalism specifically is the only part of Protestantism that's growing.

@johnmackie9498

26 күн бұрын

Keep in mind many of those who become pentecostal are often from other Christian denominations rather than being converts from atheism. So still at a serious net negative for number of believers in comparison of the past no matter the amount of pentecostals now

@canibezeroun1988

26 күн бұрын

@@johnmackie9498 this is true in America, and Latin America but I wouldn't say that's the case in Africa. However this is a good point to consider.

@sebinantony6983

23 күн бұрын

Pentacostalism is facing serious conflicting theories inside themseslves. Since there is no apex authority to guide and control, chaos is reigning.

It’s worth noting that Protestant churches begins from branching out of the origins of the main church that being from the Apostolic testaments or New Testament mainly the Catholic Church.

@maximaphily601

18 күн бұрын

You mean of course, "all" denominations including Catholic, have this as a fact of history. There is no one denomination that Christ founded. There is the body of Christ, full stop.

Thank you for this important message.

@TCGriswold_ICXC

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for listening

Haha, leaving the church due to preaching a false gospel? I think these Christians simply don't believe in an undetectable deity and magic anymore.

If you look at deconstruction/deconversion videos on KZread, you will notice that the majority of people who leave the faith do so because they realized that they didn't have any good reasons to believe in the first place. They just accepted what was being taught to them without question. Once they began to examine their beliefs, it all collapsed very quickly. My experience was a little different. I was never a true believer despite my dad being a pastor. Something about Christianity and the Bible especially always seemed a little too crazy to be true, and that is how I still feel today.

@TCGriswold_ICXC

26 күн бұрын

I recommend you check out the numerous hell NDEs from atheists who died and went to hell and encountered Jesus Christ. I was an initiated Buddhist priest before I became an Orthodox Christian. Check out my top 5 hell NDEs video.

@james9524

26 күн бұрын

@@TCGriswold_ICXC I actually had an NDE myself while on the operating table, and I met God face to face. She told me that all religions are made up nonsense. I told her that I figured that out for myself long ago. Then I came to in the recovery room. Do you believe me? Of course you don't. I don't believe other people's NDEs for the same reasons why you don't believe my NDE. I concluded a long time ago that other people's personal experiences are of no help to me, because anybody can make up anything, and they do.

@james9524

26 күн бұрын

@@TCGriswold_ICXC David Hume famously said that someone's personal revelation is still hearsay to the rest of us. Anybody can make up anything so we can't just accept someone's word for it. We need evidence.

Not sure that is totally accurate. Pentecostal Protestantism is the second fastest growing religion in the world behind Islam.

The Orientals and Assyrians also have apostolic succession.

@Sevenspent

27 күн бұрын

Technically aren't those still considered under orthodox?

@dougmasters4561

26 күн бұрын

​@@Sevenspentkinda sorta but not. They are not in communion (i dont think) with the larger Orthodox body of churches over what amounts to very silly semantics.

@cassidyanderson3722

26 күн бұрын

@@Sevenspent I’m Orthodox and I’ve never considered them, or been taught that, they are a part of us.

@iwansaputra1890

26 күн бұрын

orthodox now become protestant 2.0, they split everywhere and condemn heretic each other for example old calendar and new calendar

@MicahMicahel

26 күн бұрын

@@dougmasters4561 Orthodox aren't a collective in sth same way as catholics.. they don't have a Pope... and when churches disagree with each other they don't find that a problem... unless it's heresy .. I mean they can differ more than a catholic can

False gospels exist in the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and any Protestant church that claims any kind of work of the flesh for salvation. This is the primary concern however, other major concerns exist - worshipping a "queen of heaven", similar to the apostates did in the book of Jeremiah, are serious transgressions too.

@TCGriswold_ICXC

24 күн бұрын

The Eastern Orthodox Church is the church founded by Christ in 33 A.D. at Pentecost. It’s also the church that compiled the New Testament.

@blissseeker4719

23 күн бұрын

@@TCGriswold_ICXC the church Jesus Christ founded was the one that believes in Him; that He is the Christ and Son of the living God. This church manifests itself anywhere saints - Christians - gather. Scripture, including the New Testament books, were written prior to the third-fourth century A.D; prior to the catholic church compiling them and simply making what already existed official.

@maximaphily601

18 күн бұрын

@@TCGriswold_ICXC Please quote me that scripture, I must have missed it.

Wgre did you get your info?

@TCGriswold_ICXC

27 күн бұрын

Pew Research

@millionworkneh1754

27 күн бұрын

Weblink please

@HellenicPapist

27 күн бұрын

@@millionworkneh1754 Links don’t work in YT most of the time. Search “pew research Protestant decline” in Google.

@canibezeroun1988

26 күн бұрын

Pew is one of the easiest things to search. Google it brother

@TCGriswold_ICXC

26 күн бұрын

See video description above. Details and links are there.

Liberal, mainline Protestantism is indeed dying. Evangelical Protestantism is growing - esp in Latin America and Africa

@RoninTF2011

26 күн бұрын

yeah, the less education in an area...the more cults are growing...

@johnflorio3576

26 күн бұрын

Sheep stealing is sinful.

@sasquatchhunter86

26 күн бұрын

@@RoninTF2011Pare de sufrir as it’s known in Spanish is a dreadful Brazilian cult that has made huge strides in Latin America. Totally disgusting cult.

Thanks a lot for the video. May I suggest some reasons why there is decline ? 1 ) Complete disregard of the scriptures ( King James Bible) regarding the doctrines and practices. 2 ) Almighty God does not dwell in temples made with hands. Acts 6 : 13-15 , 7 : 42-51, 17 : 22-25 , Hebrews 8 : 2 , 9 : 11& 24. 3 ) The rejection of the Pure and Preserved word of Almighty God in English ( King James Bible ) and embracing evil , satanic , vatican approved books based on less than 1% of the extant mss. Almighty God CANNOT empower the evil heresy and lies of ALL modern ( post 1881 ) books. 4 ) Temple worship and sacrifice along with the priesthood are pagan practices. They were completely abolished by the Lord Jesus Christ at Calvary. Hebrews chapters 7-10 KJV. The catholic cult carried on with this heresy when it was invented in the 4th century and still do to this day with their satanic sacraments. 5 ) In summary. The Holy Ghost cannot empower so called Christians who deliberately defy the true scriptures in matters of faith and practice. "All are welcome," say the notice boards in flagrant violation of the New Testament teaching. Church gatherings are for SAVED PEOPLE ONLY. 2 Corinthians 6 : 14-18 KJV. Paul's letters are addressed to the SAINTS not lost people.

@betaorionis2164

26 күн бұрын

After reading your post, I fully understand why Protestantism is on the decline. Zero references to the doctrine of Christ (love, compassion, respect to everybody) and just idiotic and irrelevant comments on "scripture". Who cares about "scripture"?

@colvinator1611

26 күн бұрын

@betaorionis2164 I don't know which books you've been duped by or some priest maybe. The WRATH of Almighty God is upon unbelievers. Those who have REJECTED the truth of His word. Romans chapter 1 2 Timothy 3 : 1-9 Revelation 20 : 11-15 et al King James Bible. Christ does NOT hear the prayers of sinners. John 9 : 31 KJV.

@sasquatchhunter86

26 күн бұрын

@@betaorionis2164Protestants: the Catholic Church is full of man made traditions! Where is that in the Bible! Also Protestants: KJV! It’s the only correct Bible!

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

Saint Paul’s letters were addressed specifically to the _Hellenized Jews_ and not to all and sundry.

@colvinator1611

26 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm My King James Bible says the letters of Paul were addressed to the saints. SAVED people , regardless of their estate.

It rained after Christ died, and the thief died after Christ, so you could say he was baptized by sprinkling.

@user-qh4dr1vy9d

26 күн бұрын

source??

@patrickdean4853

26 күн бұрын

In Catholicism, the baptism of the thief is simply “baptism by desire”.

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

No, it did not rain.

@maximaphily601

18 күн бұрын

Good old works salvation at its best!

Which church was responsible for the canon of the bible? I'm sure you know it was the Catholic church. The study of the early church fathers reveals dogma & rituals practised by the early Christians. This was the time when the church was named Catholic, meaning "universal." Peter was the rock on which Jesus established the Catholic Church . The eastern orthodox church ceased to follow the apostolic succession after the schism in 1054 when they broke away from the Catholic church.

@dougmasters4561

26 күн бұрын

That isnt how apostolic succession works. The Orthodox church maintains a valid apostolic succession. If there were a reconciliation between the two tomorrow, their clergy would remain unchanged.

@colvinator1611

26 күн бұрын

You're lost.

@TyrannicalReigner

26 күн бұрын

The Orthodox Church believes that it is the true Catholic Church and Rome is false.

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

The canon was created by an employee of the Roman Empire called Athaneseus. Some say Marcion had a prior canon.

@TyrannicalReigner

26 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm Wrong

There was no church to baptize the thief on the cross. That came 50 days later..

@TyrannicalReigner

26 күн бұрын

And now there is a Church

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

Baptism is unnecessary. Repentance is insufficient. Penance is mandatory.

@TyrannicalReigner

26 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm "And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." -Acts 2:38

@pmaitrasm

26 күн бұрын

@@TyrannicalReigner, _Repent_ is not the same as _do penance._ You don’t know what Peter said.

@TyrannicalReigner

26 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm You're missing the point. Peter says that you need to be baptized for the remission of sins. That makes baptism quite necessary.

Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.

Isn’t everything dying?

@kaykay865

27 күн бұрын

Not Orthodoxy

@jperez7893

27 күн бұрын

@@kaykay865 orthodoxy is also losing adherents

@user-je5ib5nv8u

26 күн бұрын

All Christian denominations are losing adherents.

@kaykay865

26 күн бұрын

@@user-je5ib5nv8u no were not

@kaykay865

26 күн бұрын

@@user-je5ib5nv8u not the orthodox

7:00 You're wrong, Most protestants have an apostolic backing whereas they came out of the Catholic church as you just said. Remember, everywhere in the Bible, the "church" is the body of believers, it's not the "Catholics" or "baptists" or any other denomination.

@TCGriswold_ICXC

26 күн бұрын

@@goldenbulletdriver Some of the oldest Protestant sects could claim tenuous apostolic succession such as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury whose first incumbent was St Augustine of Canterbury. However, the thousands of new denominations have no such claim to apostolic succession.

*What is the Problem?* 1. Anyone religious leader (clergyman, church father) who relies on King James Bible or any translation other than the original Greek version, preferably the Alexandrian text, is teaching a false gospel. @2:18, "viewing the original" is a false claim. That text is most certainly unoriginal and has its fair share of errors. 2. Church of England is not traditional. It came into existence because the Henry VIII wanted to practice polygamy (simplistic explanation). @1:55 3. A claim that every religion is false except my religion is a sign of arrogance. Arrogance is one reason why people leave churches. @3:55 4. Archaeological evidence is also lacking when it comes to many claims made in the New Testament, so the Book of Mormon cannot be held to a different standard. @4:00 5. The "real" bible and "mountains and mountains" of archaeology and history, is again a false claim. Speaking of mountains, @4:05, for example, Saint Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, claims Mount Sinai is in Arabia, when in reality, Mount Sinai is to the West of Judaea Caesarea and Arabia is to the East of Judaea Caesarea. 6. Other "false" religions is another manifestation of arrogance why people leave churches. @5:20, The reason why people migrate to eastern religions is because (1) they are polytheistic and allow for multiple schools of thought, and (2) they are not centrally controlled by some politically backed pope or patriarch thereby allowing freedom of thought, just like Graeco-Roman Polytheism was. Of all, Agnosticism or Atheism seems to be the most logical destination. 7. Disillusionment with Christianity happens. @5:24, for example, (1) to preach monotheism, and (2) to preach that the god of the New Testament is the same god as the god of the Old Testament, is guaranteed to drive most logical thinking people away. Monotheism is a political ambition. Polytheism is a cold hard reality or nature. *What is the solution?* 8. Clergymen should get a job in the private sector because god-business is not gainful employment. 9. People should realize that no fallen human has any special access to god and that nobody can guide one to heaven. 10. People should quit acting like toddlers. I.e. to say "my religion is better than yours" is like a child saying "my toy is better than yours." Alternatively, saying "my god is the only true god" or "my theology is the only true theology" is a sign of jealousy and is a sinful act that most clergymen are guilty of.

@TCGriswold_ICXC

26 күн бұрын

Book of Mormon is the junk DNA of religion. In fact, worse. It’s a con job by a false prophet.

@maximaphily601

18 күн бұрын

Yes the Alexandrian texts are full of errors. Anyone with a little education on the history can easily see this.

You know Jesus was Jewish and from Galilee he wouldn't have understood anything about Christianity as it was composed by Paul and the early church fathers, or Martin Luther and His movement. Religions come and go

The Book of Mormon has archaeological evidence. Even mentioned in the Old Testament . Besides It's not the end all be all of faith. A testimony and the enticing of the Holy Ghost is the mama jama.

@TCGriswold_ICXC

26 күн бұрын

Post a map accepted by the archaeological community that shows where the events in the BoM ostensibly occurred. Oh, that’s right, you can’t because none exists.

@jasongast1806

26 күн бұрын

@@TCGriswold_ICXC I can’t on KZread But there is lehis travels

@TCGriswold_ICXC

25 күн бұрын

Mormon geography revealed… Mormonism vs Orthodox Christianity | Which one wins? kzread.info/dash/bejne/f52MuY-Oha2-nqg.html