So basically, they wanted a controlling stake in a championship winning team while adding nothing to said team. In other words, they were never serious about joining the grid.

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Ramadhan Mubarak, Souldry.

@0AFonseca

Жыл бұрын

They would add money

@LSchelvin71

Жыл бұрын

​@@0AFonseca nah, Red Bull already bigger than Porsche

@FenderUsa

Жыл бұрын

@@LSchelvin71 you actually believe this dont you

@fredyicey

Жыл бұрын

The most Porsche thing Porsche could do tbh

The fact Porsche wanted Red Bull to hand over half of the entire F1 operation to a company that also owns Audi/Sauber as a direct competitor on the grid is utterly mind-blowing. Who at Porsche thought anyone would *ever* agree to that!?

@captaintoyota3171

Жыл бұрын

Def not red bull who valued their independence since the beginning

@lattepus7888

Жыл бұрын

afaik VAG owns porsche, audi, VW etc.. just because it a sister company/subsidiary, doesnt mean its like brother sister at home.. they operate just like a single individual entity.

@twoevileyes

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, i don't believe they really meant to join F1. They probably just wanted some free publicity with, perhaps, a deal on the side: their demands were unrealistic and they knew it.

@mawe42

Жыл бұрын

@@lattepus7888 Porsche AG is owned by VAG, but the Porsche/Piech family has a 53% stake in VAG. So it depends on what you mean by "Porsche". But true, Audi and Porsche has some health rivalry.

@mawe42

Жыл бұрын

Things could change quickly for Redbull after Mateschitz death, you never know what the future holds, it could be the worst decision RB done. But I'm glad it didn't happen, now I can still "hate" on redbull! :D

The last time Porsche failed this hard, they were building the VK 45.01 (P).

@semnejlepsi8983

Жыл бұрын

💀

@dardvader6

Жыл бұрын

💀

@cartjones4736

Жыл бұрын

🗿

@devaihsan13

Жыл бұрын

💀

@huwgrossmith9555

Жыл бұрын

McLaren TAG were Porche

I think these teams are wary about major manufacturers bailing out on F1 so suddenly in years past, so not surprised teams like Red Bull and Mclaren would not relent to giving Porsche a majority stake.

@phawxhunter

Жыл бұрын

I agree, especially with an engine manufacturer that has bailed out of F1 twice. RBR's name has become synonymous with victory, just as McLaren and Williams were in the 90s.

@mutantgeralt

Жыл бұрын

That wasn't the reason why. The dealbreaker for them was to lose 50% control for not much else in return

@AmsterdamHeavy

Жыл бұрын

@@phawxhunter Knock Kock: Honda

@vojtechnovacek7776

Жыл бұрын

Also the cost cap rules and increased amount of sposorship money teams get from much higher attention F1 gets (DTS, celebrities' social media posts) means teams can actually make profits now so why would they sell.

@mikeyoc24

Жыл бұрын

2008 and 2009 was a great example of big manufacturers bailing out when Honda then bmw and Toyota all pulled out. That Honda team that left behind only survived due to Ross brawn and that incredible car that let button to the title where Mercedes then took over after. BMW left sauber on the brink of ruin only for Peter sauber to just about save the team. As for Toyota well they just stopped altogether and moved on to endurance racing and rallying.

For the last 25 years or so, whenever there are rumors about Porsche and F1, I always said: "I believe it, when it actually happens!" And every single time I've been proven right. In don't want to be right, I just am...

@izumiculture4030

Жыл бұрын

No, I believe they wanted to join, they just don't want to put in the work to be successful that's all, and Red Bull basically told them to f*** off to Porsche trying to take them over and now Porsche don't want to join because it's too much effort.

@nobass_stub1394

Жыл бұрын

All hail the Prophet of the New dawn of motor sport KeK!

Controversial opinion here, but I’m glad Porsche won’t be joining the grid. The arrogance they’ve displayed throughout this process is not what F1 needs. They thought they could just throw some money at Red Bull, rock up on the grid and start raking in the glory with race wins and championships without doing the hard graft. Why? Because they’re Porsche. No thanks, they can stick to their other motorsport programs.

@ToneRetroGaming

Жыл бұрын

💯 well said

@royemerson97

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t ford doing what you described? lol

@Kaimax61

Жыл бұрын

@@royemerson97 but they didn't ask for 50% of red bulll. that's the difference.

@willlashley1378

Жыл бұрын

@@royemerson97 no not at all, Ford are just there to help with the hybrid system and also a bit of advertising. Porsche wanted pretty much full control over every aspect of the team outside of just the power unit

@Flared

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, they have only ever wanted to join on their terms, which they cant do anymore as teams are in a much stronger negotiating position than in previous years. I am just hoping Honda can be cleverer than Porsche and stay in F1 with McLaren or Williams.

Hopefully this will make F1 and the grid more willing to accommodate andretti Cadillac

@EntropicExergy

Жыл бұрын

Not likely. F1 as in liberty media probably wants it to happen, it's the current teams that aren't all that happy with it.

@sam-nariman6236

Жыл бұрын

The problem with GM is they are not willing to build a new power unit, maybe Honda can complete their trio

@michaelskoomamacher5652

Жыл бұрын

@@sam-nariman6236 and that's a problem now? *winks at Aston and Alfa*

@Iroquois777

Жыл бұрын

Yes please

@sam-nariman6236

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelskoomamacher5652 I get your point, I meant when a new team wants to join F1, the new constructor should add some value to it. GM can easily enters F1 through an existing team just like Ford. Adding a new team is tough, they mist convince the current constructors, Liberty Media and FIA.

Now I hope Andretti gets a team.

@Wizzkidwas

Жыл бұрын

Nah F1 will keep throwing them to the kerb whilst chasing the uninterested manufacturers

@kevinkevin6542

Жыл бұрын

@@Wizzkidwas it’s so messed up

@Wizzkidwas

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinkevin6542 It pisses me off so much

@evandrochaves9596

Жыл бұрын

The pressure for more teams is growing and there aren't many other interesting entry chances, hyundai I really don't believe, Porsche bailed out and honda, of they enter it will be by buying alpha tauri, so it will be andretti or nothing

@wilbertpamplona4487

Жыл бұрын

Andretti will get the 11th team, but how soon, thats a inflating big question

I still think Porsche was mostly acting like it was interested as a part of a larger VW group plan to extract maximum concessions from the FIA for Audi's bid. Since they could dangle the promise of two new manufacturers instead of just one. It should have been obvious that the offer they gave RB was something they would never agree too.

@chaitanyatiwari9228

3 ай бұрын

Very likely

I'm wondering why Porsche didn't try to buy Alpha Tauri..

@roll_and_on_greatest

Жыл бұрын

Or alpine, williams, haas, etc.

@northdkt7088

Жыл бұрын

Prolly wanted to get into the sport, and be at the top right away

@Kaimax61

Жыл бұрын

because as the video said, they want a convenient deal. They basically want to piggy back an already winning team, instead of building/raising one.

@alexerwin3262

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaimax61 like Ford lol

@Reznor_Meeks

Жыл бұрын

Alpha Tauri is not for sale, thats why

Most of the new rules set in 26 was because of the lure of manufacturers, such as Porsche. Some could claim, because of Porsche's public interest, and later Audi. Only to see Porsche with egg on their faces because they wanted to come in, and throw cash, while telling everyone how to win. Maybe that would have worked in the past, and maybe in the future it will again , but for now the reason for the rules changes is looking silly, and probably won't be back

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully is.

@evandrochaves9596

Жыл бұрын

They thought it was the last decade where F1 was desperately in need of new manufacturers, in 2016 let's say that would've worked perfectly, but nowadays with the growth of F1, they don't need half assed interest

Porsche was never going to enter F1 they wanted the free advertising, they do it every few years.

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Every 4 years in fact, Ming.

@izumiculture4030

Жыл бұрын

All it does is make them look like clowns and the laughing stock of the Motorsport Industry.

@TheSlowoldman

Жыл бұрын

@@izumiculture4030 Porsche is far from the laughing stock of the Motorsport industry....... that is just not true. They have a very storied history.

@go-away-5555

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSlowoldman Not nowadays though. They're the old man talking about how they used to be good. "I'm still good! I just don't want to prove it." Lol ok Porsche

@TheSlowoldman

Жыл бұрын

@@go-away-5555 You need to do a bit more research if you think Porsche is resting on it's laurels.....

I think Scotts take here is spot on. Porsche misjudged their relative value and the relative value of an F1 team. Its Hubris, and F1 can well do without this attitude.

@juliankneaz6893

7 ай бұрын

using attitude and F1 in the same sentence you must be joking F1 was always about attitude

@juliankneaz6893

7 ай бұрын

youre right of course, but still cant find a more pretentious thing than F1

New teams or bust, not interested in any take overs. So I won't miss Porsche in the least, they never seemed like they were seriously interested anyway.

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Porsche only good on FIAWEC or IMSA but pathetic on F1.

Now that Porsche are confirmed not joining could F1 grant Andretti their entry already. They can't seriously be waiting for Honda to come back for the nth time before letting Andretti be the 11th team??

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Thats quite original.

@-TheUnkownUser

Жыл бұрын

F1: He he Honda goes rum rum

@nik021298

Жыл бұрын

They opened entries for two new teams, they wouldn't need to reject Andretti to accept Honda.

@ksolesky2

Жыл бұрын

They're waiting on the Hitech team with Mazepins money laundered through Dubai, so we'll have Nikita Mazepin back on the grid in the eventual 11th team

@marcelk3847

Жыл бұрын

@@-TheUnkownUser you think?

I could only imagine such a deal with AlphaTauri, but not with Red Bull.

@alaybey9771

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they were rumors about redbull selling alpha tauri

@paulcruse

6 ай бұрын

But you need Ross Brawn or Adrian Newey to win in F1

@PaDDy7389

6 ай бұрын

@@paulcruse The titles of Fernando Alonso/Renault in 05 and 06, Kimi Räikkönen/Ferrari in 07, Ferrari in 08, Lewis Hamilton/Mercedes in 08*, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20, Nico Rosberg/Mercedes in 16 and Mercedes in 21 speak against this.

I can't wait to see how they come up with reasons to deny Andretti now that the preferred entry they were courting for years shrugged and gave up.

@T_Mo271

Жыл бұрын

F1 simply doesn't want Andretti. There's no benefit to them. They're happy with 10 teams.

@SHRModding

Жыл бұрын

​​@@T_Mo271 sure there's no benefit to existing teams but f1 as a whole? there's got to be a commercial benefit, American team, American driver in the US market. By the time 2026 roles round expect there to already be 4 or 5 races in the US

@T_Mo271

Жыл бұрын

Under the current agreement, nothing happens in F1 without the teams agreement. And they don't see any benefit in adding more customer teams that will split the prize money.

@Al_Camino77

Жыл бұрын

@@T_Mo271 F1 might not want an 11th team but it seems the fans do. Fans are the ones that pay the bills.

@T_Mo271

Жыл бұрын

No, not really. It's the sponsors and the broadcast advertising where the money is.

Thank God F1 teams value and respect others aspects too and may it continue to be so.

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

At this point, I'm probably going to be dead by the time Porsche ever enters F1.

@jimsteinway695

Жыл бұрын

Yea me too. Been waiting for a long time

I always found it strange that two companies under the same banner(owners) were really willing to spend that amount of money to be in F1. Didnt think it would happen

Writing was kind of on the wall after the Red Bull talks fell apart

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Agree.

They should've brought Racing Point back when they out of financial

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

No, They would ruin F1 with their greedy exec who doesn't want the team to be competitive.. I mean Redbull operation is flawless in every sector, Pit Crew, Strategist, Car design.. Why would they want to Control it? I mean yes Redbull spent a lot of money training their pit crew to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop.. But why they HATED that costly training? If not because they want All money Redbull spent on training should be in Porsche exec's pocket

@princeoftonga

Жыл бұрын

Porsche buying racing point was never possible. RP were running Mercedes power units at the time, Porsche had no time or inclination to develop their own(still don’t by the look of it) and a Porsche owned team running Mercedes PUs? Can’t see anyone allowing that!

Great news. Now they can concentrate on the WEC and GT racing

I'm curious to find out, does anyone know whether Porsche made a move to buy out Alpha Tauri? If not, why not? That to me seemed like their most realistic opportunity outside of starting a project from the ground up.

@skyhigh6089

Жыл бұрын

Alpha Tauri is not for sale. What RedBull is considering is whether to move them to Milton Keynes or stay at Faenza.

@kohikappu

Жыл бұрын

They wanted a top team, instant progress and development right away.

They messed up when they thought they would buy 50% shake on redbull and replace Horner with Seidel lol

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

They messed it up whole lot further.

Surprised Porsche and Red Bull couldn’t come to terms over something involving Alpha Tauri but there you are. Hopefully now F1 has lost the main name it’s openly courted for years, they’ll be more open to other teams, like Andretti, who should already have the entry they want

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

Porsche wanted 50% decision making from the best Operational team on the grid.. From Pit Crew, Strategist, and car Design Redbull operates flawlessly.. So why they wanted to interfere that flawless operation? It's because clearly Porsche only wanted the money not the demanding task to build a midfield team, spend money and developing the team to the top.. And it means Redbull's ridiculous training cost would be cut.. Remember Redbull is the only team that willing to spend so much money just to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop stunt to train their Pit Crew.. With Porsche control it would be More Beneficial for Porsche to use that money to feed on Porsche's exec..

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

@@naufalpahlevi8976 happy ramadhan 2023, Naufal. From Purwanti Allan.

@kevinwho9007

Жыл бұрын

@@naufalpahlevi8976 lmao relax rb fanboy. The zero g stuff is for marketing not training lol

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinwho9007 Pfffttt.. So you are saying they did not train their pit crew at all? And somehow they consistently get the DHL best pit crew awards every year? I pointed out Zero G stunts to prove they trained their pit crew way beyond most teams doing.. Sure it's more of a marketing but to successfully do that stunt they've already trained their pit crew and it cost Redbull money.. The one thing that Porsche wanted to take from Redbull

@kevinwho9007

Жыл бұрын

@@naufalpahlevi8976 ?? I didn’t say any of that & I think you mean DHL fastest pitstop award which Ferrari have won, both of the races this year. Correlation does not mean causation, the zero g stuff is just marketing man it’s not that deep fanboy lol. Every F1 team train their pit countless of hours.

Great video and great comments. Didn't realize the extent of those pulling for Porsche.

@Al_Camino77

Жыл бұрын

I think people just want more teams. I don’t know of any sport that doesn’t want to expand except F1.

@paddockhq

Жыл бұрын

F1 certainly is the definition of exclusivity. A global sport with only 10 teams. @@Al_Camino77

Porsche doing a deal with Red Bull sounds only good on the surface because in the overall scheme of things a very big clash of opinion will lead to a huge downfall for both. It's good that it didn't materialize. If it were say a struggling F1 outfit, I don't see any problem for Porsche to make their entry.

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

Porsche wanted to ruin F1, Porsche wants to make Redbull basically the new Ferrari who needs to wait The car Manufacturers Exec decision before making an action

Maybe I'm not understanding the full scale of this, but why isn't Porche trying to buy into the Alphatauri team? There have been talks to sell the team anyway after Dietrich Mateschitz passed away

@eoghanr6

Жыл бұрын

Alpha tauri uses all of red bulls resources. Same factory same wind tunnel etc. If Porsche were to buy AT they would have to use the red bull facilities which red bull would not allow. Porsche want a quick and easy deal for a team that is well planted in f1 that has all the factories and wind tunnels so Porsche do not have to build their own. Basically buy a team and control them stick a Porsche badge on the car and make millions is what Porsche are trying to do.

I think people underestimate the money it takes to develop a world class engine , look at Honda they suffered for so long before getting on top of the project. Ferrari & Renault engine have been around for so long but still unable to compete

@halofreak1990

Жыл бұрын

A major contributing factor to Honda's problems during their time with McLaren were the "size zero" engine dimensions demanded by Ron Dennis. It's quite telling that the moment Honda moved to Alpha Tauri and were told by Red Bull, "build whatever engine you want to build, we'll just build the car around it.", their fortunes changed dramatically, and after a year with Red Bull, Honda actually managed to scale the whole thing down to be even smaller than the size-zero design they struggled so much with. The engine was compromised from the start and would likely never have achieved the potential the redesign has had with the freedom afforded by Red Bull

As a Porsche owner and fan of their other motorsport programs, I am glad Porsche did not join as f1 is a luxury not a reasonable investment, they will not sell extra cars by having f1 technology in it, everyone knows the endurance races are their thing and their pedigree in that regard is unmatched. Mercedes needs a 2.5 million car to beat a Porsche on the nordschleife so I don't think it is a big loss for Porsche. Not to mention for the f1 teams it makes no money. I don't see it as a big loss considering the the barrier of entry is so expensive, you might as well be robbed.

The regulation changes were not about Porsche specifically, but about getting the VW group into the sport, which has happened with Audi. The cost and complexity of the MGU-H was a needless waste, and only Merc pretend otherwise. It also made life easier for RBPT, who have to take over the burden from Honda pulling out, partially because of the cost of the PU and the fact it isn't electric enough. I don't know why you would try to twist that.

unfortunately it's kinda sad but it's very tough restriction they are

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

No one should be sad with this.. Porsche clearly wanted Redbull to be the next Ferrari circus clown who every decision making needs to be halted until the car manufacturers exec approved that decision.. We already have Ferrari and Renault the most incompetent works team on the grid, We don't need to make Redbull as incompetent as them just because they need to wait Porsche's decision in their operation

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

AimanFitri0IV, have u watched news yesterday that Setsuna Yuki has a new VA in the form of Coco Hayashi? I call her as LoveLive's Max Verstappen.

The ‘solution’ is to allow Porsche to build the power units that Audi and potential customer teams would run. VW gets a works team, and Porsche gets a presence in formula one. But then Audi also has a prodigious pedigree and I’m more than happy to see them on the grid, though potentially the marketing profile is greater with Porsche involvement for the VW group

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Porsche seemingly only good on Sportscar racing.

Good, leaves a more plausible option for Andretti Cadillac! 👍

Yeah, Porsche is big but they aren't bigger than Red Bull, so it was silly thinking their name carried that much weight that they could just demand and expect the teams to buy into that.....

@g00ndoo

Жыл бұрын

They are probably the most successful manufacturer in motorsport ever so I'm not sure where this is coming from but I get what you mean

@nsp585

Жыл бұрын

They are bigger than redbull, not just red bull racing, but the whole energy drink company

@ihavewaited90daystochangem51

Жыл бұрын

@@nsp585 A quick googling will reveal that you're wrong by several billions lmao

@nsp585

Жыл бұрын

@@ihavewaited90daystochangem51 then i would advice you to make not so quick googling and checr source dates and also remember that there are 2 porsches AG and SE

@g00ndoo

Жыл бұрын

@paper plane expand your horizons. You will be very pleasantly surprised!

porsche don't need to join f1 because they already have enough success and reputation in so many other series. there's no need for porsche to join f1 for competition or advertising because their reputation precedes them and they have so many other successful projects, including a new hypercar

@Pepe-dq2ib

Жыл бұрын

they beat toyota in hypercar?

@yakul4410

Жыл бұрын

@@Pepe-dq2ib no but the point is that porsche are already working on this huge hypercar project that needs some improvements, throwing in f1 would compromise both

@herbertkraft7379

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pepe-dq2ib nice. I think it will take quite some time for any team to do that. The closest one was SCG back in Monza, but that was it. Can't wait to see the Sebring VoD later today.

@Addyboy0190

Жыл бұрын

This dude is high on copium 😂

@noobsaibot7006

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pepe-dq2ibthey did beat toyota in LMP1 numerous times

Meh, we'll take Audi

@mintgoldheart6126

Жыл бұрын

Finally quattro F1 cars

@dontaskmewhy266

Жыл бұрын

I hope Audi also looses the bid because I don’t want to see Alfa Romeo go

@mutantgeralt

Жыл бұрын

@@dontaskmewhy266 it has already won "the bid" (which to be clear wasn't the case) F1 and FIA have already accepted their entry

@manuelight

Жыл бұрын

@@dontaskmewhy266 Alfa Romeo was only the name. nothing more

@dontaskmewhy266

Жыл бұрын

@@mutantgeralt I’m aware. I’m just saying I don’t want it to go not that it would change anything

Maybe Andretti can make Cadillac make a sports car for a change? I mean Saint's Row 3 & 4 had the Sovereign, which imo looked exactly like what I'd picture a Cadillac 2 door sports car as... And it was good...

What Porsche should have done with Red bull is bid for 100% of Red Bull power trains and used those facilities to build its own independent engine. That would have been successful.

If only there were a feeder team currently at the back of the grid that are moving from Italy to a more convenient spot in the UK & are also changing their name because the brand isn't selling...

A few years ago Porsche did actually make its own F1 engines even tested them since Porsche higher up said no F1 they pulled the plug and transfered their personnel to Audi. Porsche right now may want to focus on Endurance racing I mean Audi pulled the plug on its LMDh program to make way for F1 while the LMDh program got transfered to Lamborghini. Ferrari can focus on its hypercar because the cost cap benefitted them in the long run instead of firing people from their jobs they can reroute it to other motosport programs while giving factory support to teams. I mean the hypercar program is done in conjuction with AF Corse. I doubt Mclaren will ever have a LMdh or a hypercar program because Mclaren is just not big as Ferrari also i doubt privateers would be successful as they were in the 80s and 90s. Mclaren won Lemans in 1995 with a privateer car i doubt that success will be repeated especially today.

@ReXzz

Жыл бұрын

Audi LMDh program was not transferred to Lamborghini. Lamborghini was a separate project ever since the beginning.

The livery in the thumbnail is 🤩

I never want to hear porsche in f1 until they have two cars lined up for the season opening race. Every rumour of sale or team going bust is going to have ppl saying ohh porsche could buy them, even if it’s a terrible prospect and has ridiculous circumstances.

Porsche seem to do this every 10 years. If they really wanted to be F1 they could be with a re-badge Audi engine, Buy in by paying a % towards the Audi engine project. They also had Andretti as a potential partner who probably would go have been flexible if it meant getting into F1. The rebranding and taking control of an F1 team (were they going to provide an engine, they seemed to want Red bull to build an engine and car) for a bit of cash wouldn't really appeal to an established F1 team as there is little to no benefit.

@-TheUnkownUser

Жыл бұрын

Lol. If Andretti in that hypothetical case accepted, then the Andretti brand is lost in F1. Since Porsche would take a major part of that team and name it to itself after some time. Being a f disaster…

@ananastudio

Жыл бұрын

If Porsche had a re-badged Audi engine, this would be them accepting Audi as superior

Is anyone else fed-up of teams buying existing teams? We want additional teams!

@Thebrabander1

Жыл бұрын

Teams don't want extra teams, so manufactures need to buy existing team. Its the teams fault. I to demand Andretti on the grid with a new team!

6:42 - right front wheel man pushing the tires hoping to move the car faster lol

F1 is in a great place...now, but it's mind boggling that teams like McLaren (incompetent clown show) and Williams (permanent back marker) are willing to live on nostalgic history and continue to be basically non-competitive. The sport will not continue to grow if 2-3 teams continually dominate, the Drive to Survive phenomena will wear off by 2026...

I am more curious on how Honda is gonna be joining in 2026 , I think it’s with either Mclaren Or Andretti or both

@kristoffermangila

Жыл бұрын

Probably with McLaren, since Andretti is already commited with Cadillac.

@TheFulcrum2000

Жыл бұрын

@@kristoffermangila Cadillac will just suply the badge, so they could still use a rebranded Honda,

@ananastudio

Жыл бұрын

Andretti won't be in F1 lol

Porsche wanted too much but had too little to bargain with. Who in their right mind goes to RB and treats them as if they were Williams? They don't need rescuing, no team really does anymore, and I'm sure they didn't want to buy into a car that's on the back of the grid.

Such a good looking car livery though, a shame it won't see the light of day.

So this opens up a spot for Cadillac Andretti!

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The only one left right now.

@ananastudio

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn't. Porsche never intented to join as an 11th team.

@gadboyz3705

Жыл бұрын

Nope. Both VW group never intended to make new team.

This makes andreti entry more likely.

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Yep. But even that its 30/70.

@7ludi

Жыл бұрын

Not really

@someguy5487

Жыл бұрын

Nah

@RoyMatzem

Жыл бұрын

​@@purwantiallan5089 Why? They are the only candidate so far, and the line deal is June. its 99/1 already

@suiyan6297

Жыл бұрын

@@RoyMatzem I think the same, especially after general motors came in.

what a surprise that everyone saw coming

That Audi livery is sick.🥰

Porsche didn't "blow it", they just don't have the interest in pursuing the deal further. F1 doesn't have much offer Porsche that it doesn't get from other forms of racing.

Phenomenal video right here. Manufacturers need to commit to joining F1 and respect the sport enough to have a long term plan. Kudos to Ford, Cadillac and Audi👏

In no way am I surprised things played this way.

Porsche needs a change in attitude at the top. They'll never be in F1 ever again if they continue to treat the sport with such a lack of care.

This is sad!

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

Why? This is a good news We don't need another Car Manufacturers who Loves to be mediocre like Porsche, Ferrari, Alpine..

Audi already is in and let's face it, Andretti/Cadillac in F1 is something racing fans in general would very much like to see.

I think the fact that Audi is buying Sauber might also have been a factor in Porsche's failure, also they could have partnered with Michael Andretti's proposed entry but I'm guessing that Porsche wanted at least the same deal that they wanted with Red Bull to partner with Andretti, also I guess that Andretti buying into Wayne Taylor Racing in IMSA (who runs an Acura in the IMSA GTP category, also Andretti runs Honda engines in Indycar)

@skyhigh6089

Жыл бұрын

Andretti never had a serious plan to enter F1. They have neither the infrastructure nor the tech knowledge to do it (not to mention financial backing). Only American fans who don't know much about F1 took it seriously.

@patrickracer43

Жыл бұрын

@@skyhigh6089 Andretti runs a program in Formula E, Extreme E, is one of the top teams in Indycar, his father is a former F1 champion, and he drove for McLaren, not to mention that the F1 effort has financial backing from General Motors

Both Audi and Porsche in F1 never really made sense to me in the first place.

The moment that they announced they didn't want to either build a brand new engine or build a new team, I knew their participation was worthless. I really thought Audi was gonna be the less likely brand, yet their intent to actually contribute with a brand new engine changed that.

This is good in a way because we'll be able to see their continued presence in the WEC.

KIA or someone should leak a rumour that they want to join F1 and then string reporters along for a couple of years for a bunch of free publicity and then just drop out.

F1 needs less of these manufacturers not more. Each time a new megalomaniac manages to climb the slippery pole to the top slot there is a very good chance they will , without warning, leave the sport. Leave manufacturers to only thing they will reliably try to do - make money for shareholders - and leave F1 to companies that race for the love of the sport. The only exception to this is Ferrari who are a race team at heart.

I used to talk to someone relatively high up in Porche (high enough that they would be in regular contact with head office). They constantly agitated to get into F1, and will be furious they let this slip. Guess that's what happens when you try to do it on the cheap and with an assumption of the high ground.

Still find it astonishing that VW were prepared to invest in 2 independent F1 programs

@ihavewaited90daystochangem51

Жыл бұрын

Porsche is owned by VAG but they pretty much do what they want without VAG getting involved.

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

Thats interesting.

Not really sure how Porsche lost here. They wanted something under very specific circumstances that happened to not pan out, so they withdrew. I dont think Porsche need F1 and F1 doesnt really need Porsche. I also think a lot of Porsche fans find it much more alluring to see a car racing and then go to a dealership were they can buy a car that looks pretty much like that. You cant really buy an F1 car, which is why I dont think that F1 translated as much into sales as some other racing ventures might. Its only prestige, but it goes both ways obviously. You cant always win. I dont know, for me this just sounds like a bunch of business decisions. So what. Just dont get riled up about it.

In all fairness to Porsche, they have a reputation they need to uphold. In pretty much every racing series they either are currently or often have been the dominant force. It doesn't make sense for them to start with anyone other than the most dominant team. Building up a team to dominate a sport like this is a decade-long effort (according to Lawrence Stroll), and even Porsche's expertise wouldn't produce a clean-sheet design that's immediately at the top of the grid.

They got greedy wanting 50% stake. Their brand is strong, but not that strong.

If Porsche is so desperate to join F1 they should found a new team. Get 11 constructors on the grid

While it's seems fair game to laugh at Porsche for wasting everyones time and ending up with nothing , Honda deserves a good old laugh as well, HRC staff went through hell with McLaren, partnered with Redbull have the most powerful/reliable power unit on the grid and nobody wants to partner with them because they are aware Honda is a pull the plug type of manufacturer. Its so bad the McLaren are interested in Redbull Ford power units than tl team up with their old nemesis.

They really should have gone the new entry route. Even if they didn't share a power unit, they definitely could have taken components from Audi Sauber to build the chassis and body work. But that's just my take

Would have loved them with Williams & have a modern take on the Rothmans livery on the cars,but it is what it is,hopefully Andretti are also out if a big name like Porsche isnt here then i dont see why they would let a low name in.

@LJRacing233

Жыл бұрын

Andretti has GM behind them. Depending if Cadillac is willing to commit to a full works team, Andretti might still be a viable option.

@guilhermefonseca1562

Жыл бұрын

But Andretti is committed in making an eleventh team, and they have GM backing. Porsche wanted to buy a part in a successful team and to have decision power in said team, which is not enough for anyone in the grid currently

If they're coming in as a Power Unit supplier or a works team, all they had to do was look at what happened to Honda. All the success they have right now isn't worth the embarrassment of the McLaren debacle. It's been years, and now they're winning, and in my mind I still see Honda as a shit brand. Audi is about to find out the true price of F1.

@k3corvette35

Жыл бұрын

Honda a shit brand ? Honda's issue before joing up with RedBull wasnt of their own doing. It was McLaren's philosophy of size Zero and the fact that Honda joined after the hybrids were already developed anc they werevplaying catch up from the start. Well they caught up and with the WINGS RedBull ga e them they flew by Ferrari and even better the WOKEcedes Benz too !!

All I remember about Porsche and F1 ,was that lump of metal behind the 1991 Arrows F1 car, that lasted 4 races before being dumped.

I'm glad the RB-Porsche deal fell through

I think Porsche decided not to join a racing series that makes up the rules as they go to secure a desired result.

@SD-mi2vc

Жыл бұрын

Or a sport that is dull and dead

@DickTahshon

Жыл бұрын

@@SD-mi2vc or both

@SD-mi2vc

Жыл бұрын

@@DickTahshon exactly

F1's idea of more cars on the grid is nothing more than lip service until it actually happens.

Trying to take over 51% of a existing F1 team is mad.

I think Porsche doesn't care that much to be honest. In the sense that they are not very desperate to get in, they won't get in if they are not happy with the conditions

This is the second time that Porche/VW has left a partner standing at the altar. It was VW that wanted hybrid engines in F1. They partnered with Williams when the new engine specification was being developed. William's stonewalled on their behalf. Some of the engine suppliers were open to hybrids others like Ferrari were against it. Over nearly two years the discussions went on with everyone eventually agreeing on hybrid power trains. VW walked away without a deal with Williams. William's had no hybrid engine deal. Although Merc were prepared to supply Williams with engines Maclaren would not allow it. Once Dennis left and Merc got their own team, a deal was done. VW's concession to Williams was to take the mechanical kers (flywheel) that Williams developed.

I was really excited at the prospect of a Porsche F1 team. Only seeking a sponsorship deal and not wanting to run an actual race team has negatively skewed who and what I thought Porsche were.

So Formula 1 changed it's rules to accommodate Porsche, but won't allow Andretti on the grid even though Andretti has jumped through every single hoop placed in it's path. Make it make sense.

@RoyMatzem

Жыл бұрын

What you talking about? F1 already announce 12 teams after 2025, Andretti is allowed already...

@EchoMirage72

Жыл бұрын

@@RoyMatzem Do you have a link to where Andretti has been granted that position on the grid? I can't find anything that says that it's been approved by the FIA or F1.

@RoyMatzem

Жыл бұрын

@@EchoMirage72 They didnt granted position to anyone... They opened to 2 new teams enters in 2026, the interesed have present they offer until June, so far only 1 team presented; Andretti. So its Andretti vs nobody. How they can lose?

@EchoMirage72

Жыл бұрын

@@RoyMatzem You literally just said that Andretti was going to be on the grid in 2025.

@RoyMatzem

Жыл бұрын

@@EchoMirage72 I litterally said "after 2025" which is 2026...

How EMBARRESING it must have been to come up with such a ridiculous offer to multiple teams, get rejected HARD! Letting it blow up in your face and then suffering the crushing defeat of pulling out of F1 Bid for 2026. They were lazy and greedy.

Did not make sense for VW to have two teams, and Red Bull already had an engine designed, what would Porsche do?

They missed the boat, it's not 1999 & you just buy your way into an existing team.

Aw man that's sad, we need some new names

I think the real issue here is the FIA making these spots available when they know it is an extremely unfavorable environment for joining the pack. I wonder if the teams will feel so strongly about no-one diluting the prize pool after a couple of teams leave. Also, if everyone is worried about the stability of the sport, why not put a clause in the contract that they must be in the sport for X amount of time?

@Kaimax61

Жыл бұрын

nah porsche are just cheap skates who just wants all the glory but not the work,

@naufalpahlevi8976

Жыл бұрын

FIA had nothing to do with Porsche entry.. Porsche didn't want to enter F1 as a brand new team, heck they didn't even want to buy small team like Williams or AlphaTauri..

I would love to see Andretti Cadillac on the grid!!!

I think Haas could be a great option for Porsche to choose like Audi did with Sauber

@marcelk3847

Жыл бұрын

Not sure ☠️

@T_Mo271

Жыл бұрын

The Haas business model is based on buying most of the car from Ferrari. Porsche won't do that, and Ferrari likely wouldn't sell them parts. Haas doesn't have the staff or facilities to build an entire car from scratch including a power unit.

@dannysstart2218

Жыл бұрын

they don't wanna do the hard work.

Maybe F1 will stop moving the goalposts on Andretti-Cadillac now?

why don't they line up with GM and Andretti

Gee... Didn't see that one coming😂 Now can we never waste any breath or air time on Porsche and F1? What a joke.

Porsche Williams would be brilliant for both parties

@princeoftonga

Жыл бұрын

Why? What are Porsche even bringing to the table at this point? A rebadged Audi PU and a bunch of corporate meddling from Stuttgart. At that point Williams would be better off just buying customer PUs off Audi directly.

Is that Derek Shepherd?? 0:16

I think 1 member of the VW group on the grid is enough. Let Hyundai(maybe) and Andretti/Cadillac in

It makes zero sense that they didn't go after Williams. They are owned by a private equity firm and clearly want to cash out. RB or Mclaren never made any sense.

@gadboyz3705

Жыл бұрын

They dont want backmaker team

@RodrigoMadriz

Жыл бұрын

@@gadboyz3705 McLaren is not exactly leading the pack...

@gadboyz3705

Жыл бұрын

@@RodrigoMadriz never said they went to McLaren LOL