Loneliness is one of the worlds biggest currencies

@addminustraitor8514

Жыл бұрын

I think it is more like Loneliness is one of the worlds biggest creditor.

@Jinrou_Yumeno

Жыл бұрын

Addiction is the world's biggest currency. And loneliness is it's biggest supplier.

@abouttime2569

Жыл бұрын

I barely feel loneliness. I had 6 girlfriends and then i realized being alone is far better for me.

@RIP_ZYZZ1738

Жыл бұрын

@@abouttime2569 Of course. People need to learn that there's a difference between alone and lonely. But it's bad to cope and say you're not lonely even if you are

@abouttime2569

Жыл бұрын

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 i decided to be alone because i dont feel lonely. I know the difference. Maybe you should learn how to think instead of pretending that you are able to think.

We've been parasocializing since our earliest childhood, the term blew up recently, but it definitely isn't anything new. But there is a huge difference between "liking an online persona" and "getting psycho over an online persona".

@ahoyforsenchou7288

10 ай бұрын

Which is something that any female viewer on Twitch knows well. Plenty of Twitchoids get psycho (or simp to an insanely cringe degree) over "real" women.

@I_enjoy_some_things

9 ай бұрын

No lmfao. The people who have problems with this shit are the ones who haven’t been groomed into normalizing unhealthy parasocial relationships. There was nothing like this while I was growing up in the mid 90s and early 2000s. Internet wasn’t even fast enough lol. This is very much a very recent development.

@user-kc5qi2oy1j

2 ай бұрын

I conceptualised this idea before I even heard of the term, I call these people ego defence drones, their subconscious reacts unconsciously with cognitive dissaonce because they identify with it. False personified actualisation.

The song Stan sums up this whole thing pretty well already. It's certainly not a Vtuber only thing.

@icryduringsex

Жыл бұрын

good comparison, i thought i was the only one my tea’s gone cold i wonder why

I think something often overlooked in the parasocialism conversation is that it really comes down to how the human brain is wired to form social connections. Its a normal, hard wired thing to form these connections and its those without the wherewithal to see through the modern lense that these arent real relationships that can cause these problems

It really is nice to get a down-to-earth and blunt take to "parasocialism", especially since Asmongold is a content creator himself but doesn't seem too knowledgable about the context of the vtuber scene given the context. But going off of that he's slowly but surely getting sucked into the rabbithole despite saying how much he says he doesnt't want to be assicuated with it. He's already been mentioned by a few of them already, lol.

@Ikxi

Жыл бұрын

Yea, depressed nousagi has done some pretty good content in the past. Always well made.

@doubleedge2814

Жыл бұрын

He went on ironmouses podcast thingy called "speak of the devil". Was a really good episode.

@softiegoat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, got to agree with MY BEST FRIEND Asmond on that one

@koralgol777

Жыл бұрын

Funny part is that person behind this take "depressed nousagi" was forced to quit due to doxing Vtubers on his patreon.

@John-or7pr

Жыл бұрын

What's to understand? They are weebs making content for other weebs and incels who "stan" them. Some things aren't worth understanding, especially things produced for groups who have even less influence in the real world than even a neckbeard Pagan LARPer lol.

Not only with Vtubers but almost anything really in the entertainment industry, SocMed has been a breeding ground and allowing this kinds of things is what makes it why it is so bad, especially to the young minds...

@r3dr4te963

Жыл бұрын

Not just entertainment. There is this case about a girl who seem to be obsessed with some reverend or something (religious figure). I'll search for her story rn.

@kawaiipotatoes7888

Жыл бұрын

The moment you call the streamer by his/her real name that's Parasocialism already.

@hollymolly518

Жыл бұрын

So when you like a character in games or movie or novel it's already parasocialism, you like and know so much about them but the character don't know sh*t about you lol I don't know if anyone isn't parasocial, the different is the level of parasocial

@ellenation2294

Жыл бұрын

I mean the biggest example are the beliebers no? Justin Biebers beginning era is the literal definition of parasocial frenzy.

@r3dr4te963

Жыл бұрын

Found it, it's Teleka Patrick, she obsessed and stalking the gospel singer and pastor Marvin Sapp. Well, I guess there's still some entertainment element on Sapp. Btw, this case end horribly

While I think all streamers have parasocial viewers to an extent, I think a lot of Vtubers do feed into this kind of relationship more so than in person streamers. Like, they refer to their fans with certain terms of endearment and often tell their viewers how much they care about them amongst other things. I'm not saying a streamer can't care about their audience but with Vtubers in particular there is a certain amount of closeness they seem to encourage when they should be drawing a line.

@Hobbnis

Жыл бұрын

True that they should be drawing a line from a moral perspective, but for them and maybe even for a lot of their fans, it seems the parasocial relationship is good. Both for business and for their happiness. The fans want the affection and so do the streamers, along with money of course. A japanese vtuber literally used to go through a lot of her fans' Twitter accounts to see if they're watching other streamers. Honestly, I say let them be if both parties are consenting to that kind of thing.

@Rosso87

Жыл бұрын

Just to play devils advocate here, why should they be "drawing a line"? If both the streamer and the viewer are happy cultivating a parasocial relationship, and it's accepted on both sides, what's the problem?. It's a bit strange when its the viewers pushing the parasocial side and the streamer wants none of it, but if both sides agree then surely it's ok?

@schmushschroom3873

Жыл бұрын

Yeah like deliberating cultivated parasocial saying shit like "I'm you gf" or playing something along those line in order to gain a loyal simp. It's scary, vulnerable people are gonna falls for this. Normal streamer can do this but it has too many drawback, unlike vtuber when no one even know their real identity. Granted most all of them didn't do this, but people don't discouraged shit like this either. It's kinda scary tbh.

@Hobbnis

Жыл бұрын

@@hectichive889 Hey, I never said it was healthy, I just said leave them be if they both like it. These are all adults who should be responsible with their lives. You don't tell a smoker to stop smoking in the streets, why care what a stranger is doing on the internet if it's not illegal?

@mello6311

Жыл бұрын

Well, thing is, a lot of Vtuber's are extremely weird and have crippling social anxiety irl, hence the whole reason for them deciding to play a virtual persona instead of their actual human self on stream. So I think they can relate more to the fans of theirs who are awkward shut ins and get told constantly how they're just another number on a stream, and nothing more. Vtubers like Iron mouse for example, Ironmouse literally only gets social interaction from her fans and from streaming cuz she is disabled and has to stay inside all day. That's obviously not the case for all Vtuber's but the most successful ones are very introverted and honestly socially inept irl so they try to get the most meaningful interactions out of streaming that they can. They're willing to overlook the awkward horny nerds who are sometimes creeps and socially clueless weirdos who don't truly mean any harm cuz a lot of them are the exact same as their viewers.

The interesting thing about the Rushia drama was that she wasn't even getting it the hardest from her own fans. The female fans of the guy were going at her even harder because they thought she was "ruining" the ship they had of the guy with another person.

Never for the “people” who took pictures with a 3d model at Twitchcon

@FrarmerFrank

Жыл бұрын

Japanese Tourist are funny that way when they see me (Hawaii, I'm 6'5") I dont mind taking pictures with their group but do wonder if they are mistaking me for someone else and not cause I tower over them 😹

I like vtubers as much as the next guy but it truly is sad that some people will go out of their way to send death threats to someone who just dm'ed a guy.

so this is just my personal take: I lost almost everything I worked for in 2020 due to the lockdowns of covid. I was depressed , I had nothing to do . KZread suddenly recommends me a video of an Anime girl that tries to talk english (inguami korone). That is how I fell into the rabbit hole. Now I do much better I still keep up whats happening in hololive daily with clip videos and if I can 1-2 Streams. So for my I dont have a parasocial relationship but I can say those cute anime girls kinda saved my life

@0203kaczmar

Жыл бұрын

Korosan is great, shes funny

@HildrTV

Жыл бұрын

@@0203kaczmar homie go touch grass

@ravio1042

Жыл бұрын

@@HildrTV Grass is overrated.

@HildrTV

Жыл бұрын

@@ravio1042 All jokes aside this typew of think is very dangerous and it can lead to depression. People need to learn to be able to find way to have fun with themselves and not rely on other for said fun. Overly relying on other can lead to people taking advantage of you

@ODDnanref

Жыл бұрын

@@HildrTV I mean, having fun with yourself is all fine and dandy, but most of the time it gets boring pretty fast. You can put a video to change it up a bit but it is when you have fun with others it is when you get the most out of it. I mean, I am pretty sure it is meant to work that way naturally, because reproduction and all that.

For me, i treat each vtubers as tv channels. A place to seek entertainment and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Happy you can make clear distinctions on how these things can become unhealthy. I "love" some KZreadrs and streamers who make me laugh, smile, or whatever else... but I am well aware we're not friends, I'm aware we don't know each other, just because I see them on a semi-regular basis does NOT mean I know THEM, and once the KZread video or stream is over, or whenever I stop watching, I move on in my life. I'll post a comment here or there. Although sometimes these ppl pop up in my fucking dreams LOL! Also: I grew up in a shitty, divorced family, I have major depression and other shitty problems, but I take responsibility for it & do my best to not project onto others. I'm just as defected as anyone else, but I value & understand healthy boundaries. Connection is the most powerful shit out there, so be mindful of that.

@reaperanon979

Жыл бұрын

@@Arasaka.Employee Dangerous thought. Be honest about being defective and you have a much better chance of keeping yourself in check than if you delude yourself that you are perfectly fine.

@LordTurtleneck

Жыл бұрын

The KZread comments are not your shrink.

i think parasocialism is a big thing in Vtuber community, cuz a lot of the successful ones usually cultivate it in their community (with or without them knowing it). especially cuz vtuber present themselves in their avatar instead of their real self, which creates a situation where there are some leeway for the vtuber in the worst case scenario (tho doxxing is becoming quite common in the vtuber scene, which sucks) and the viewers can just view them as just "characters". tho i do think this problem can be mitigated by just making the viewers know about the boundaries between vtubers and the viewers.

Streaming itself is a parasocial activity, where being in a parasocial relationship is "beneficial" to the streamer. People watch streamers, mostly, on their own, and streams go on for hours, multiple times per week.The viewer is mostly only thinking about themselves and the streamer talking. Despite not actually offering anything to the viewer outside of the entertainment value of watching them, some people feel the need to donate money in excess of what a "Thanks for the entertainment" deserves. Streamers play into the friendliness of interacting with the viewer, and whether or not they'd want to acknowledge, admit it, or even actively divulge in it. It still happens because of the very nature of what a stream is.

@RomanTheNotARoman

Жыл бұрын

I do not agree, or condone the extreme actions someone takes when they're so absorbed thinking about a person who doesn't know anything about them.

@FrarmerFrank

Жыл бұрын

Parasocial is a one sided relationship with a sports team members and Celebraties most commonly You can also have those head cannon ones of fictional characters where the fans think they know the Characters better then the Author

asmon gold is my favorite vtuber we all know the real asmon is hairless by now

Honestly, just let it all continue with it. We'll all learn from it one way or another, even if everything falls apart. If we stop it now, then nothings ever gonna change.

You know we always hear about parasocial behavior as this negative thing, and often it is bad and gets in the way of real relationships. But in some cases, i know in my case, i watched streamers to get me through a really long, bad, lonely patch of life. I'm through it now and thriving in life, i know the live streams, parasocial phase i went through was the crutch i needed. It gave me the feeling of having friends when i didn't, which kept me from being depressed when overcoming a life long substance addiction and I got all my shit together. Bout to travel round the world for 7 months, i'm fit, happy, got money, got friends, life is good.

@mayconlcruz

Жыл бұрын

You know, many of the people who disdain anything that deviates from the classic recipe that involves "touching grass" never wanted your well-being to begin with. Usually, they expect you to abandon such "weird habits" and assimilate to a certain status quo that they themselves follow, or they expect you to simply be ashamed of your actions and simply disappear from the face of the earth for being "too cringey". It's during these situations that I can see value in those who admire solitude (which is different from being lonely): A lot of people out there don't care about helping you overcome their problems, but they want you to stop being an inconvenience, no matter how vain the reason is. So, for me it doesn't matter how someone is going to get out of the cycle of despair they find themselves in. If it's not self-destructive and doesn't hurt anyone, anything goes.

The anonymity of being a vtuber allows them to tell personal stories. People who watch vtubers are all like Jonah Jamison from Spider-Man and want to know the real identity

@FrarmerFrank

Жыл бұрын

With few exceptions, most first generation vTubers were E-girls or Twitch/KZreadrs Streamers to begin with with even 4 of the 5 of the Myth girls being Ringers despite the so called "Open Call" by Coco and the last girl getting in as a bilingual speaker

I'm going to form a parasocial relationship with Neuro-sama. I'm sure she'll date me one day.

@EndoftheBeginning17

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you ask Vecna for her hand in marriage. I'm sure he'll agree wholeheartedly

@TonguelessDanny

Жыл бұрын

Scariest part is if you wait for technological advancement long enough it will happen.

@JohnWick-rh1zz

Жыл бұрын

just date vedal

I still can't forget when my friend Eric said in response to someone else telling him that you know that the streamer has a husband, right? And he said that's fine by me. I always order the combo meals.

that new ending song is a vibe

Cant wait for Dr. Asmons therapy sessions. Been needing therapy for a while 🤣

Parasocial relationships for vtubers can be really bad and even for irl streamers but i don’t think it’s inherently bad. For the trash taste example, for people that watch them all the time you can’t help but feel like you know them and one of the boys but i think as long as you’re aware that’s not true. and know that they don’t know you and you know more about them but only what you see then it’s fine. It just happens if you watch someone all the time; even pewdiepie mentions how it felt like he knew Garnt and Connor before even meeting them. It can be unhealthy and you need to stay in reality. I think the problem with vtubers is the creeps take the idea of anime waifus and find a real person behind the png you can actually talk to. Plus the vtubers encourage it to a degree. And in Japan they treat vtubers like idols

@r.8902

Жыл бұрын

Very true. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a parasocial relationship with an online personality, fictional character, etc and so forth. I'm sure everyone has had thoughts of what it would be like to be friends or in a relationship with said person, character, etc. On a psychological standpoint, it's totally normal to have those thoughts. Those characters or personalities mean something to you on an emotional and social level, and relatable and interesting characters are a writing tool to keep people engaged and invested. That latter statements spans to people who vlog or stream as well. There are streamers who I feel like I'd get along with in real life, but I'm not going to go bother them to figure that out lol Another note on parasocial relationships being fine is when you make friends online through social media platforms. Even though you may never meet them or see their face or talk to them with voice, that's still considered a PSR and there's nothing wrong with making a connection with someone you don't really know and you only interact through shared media and maybe some life updates from time to time. Like you said, the problem lies in the delusions. The belief that these personalities or characters ARE your friends or ARE your significant other. It's definitely some form of mental illness, and I don't mean that in a bad way or jabbing fingers. It's just losing touch with reality, and it seems like the younger generation (and I'm not that old) is having these problems more than any other age group. It should really be studied.

asmongold should do a vtuber stream with an anime version of his warrior character

6:45 , on monday I went to the gym, and I usually take a smoke break outside and some girl is busy with her bike and this guy who's part of the same ''club'' comes up to her and say's ''Hey, my girlfriend broke up with me this afternoon!'' and the girl had just this sudden shock, this dude came up behind her and just says that expecting some comfort or something and the girl just goes ''Uh eh? Hey.. that's horrible, what are you doing here'' These people expect some sympathy points from a girl they barely know. I also do martial arts and there is a girl I ''know'' quite well but even then I would never just say something like that out of the blue.

Bro this year I feel like my hobbies are converging first asmon reacts to gigguk now vtuber content. Sadly it's DN but ig I'll take what I can get.

@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatMaou depressed nousagi

@FrarmerFrank

Жыл бұрын

The "Vtuber news" is mostly for noise Mostly watch Gura covers as individual song clipson PTSD Shrimp and more recently NeuroSama song cover Clips Last Stream stream I think I watched from beggining to end mostly as background noise was Munibug(Senzawa) Birthday Stream on Twitch back on December 12....though Amazon tends to delete Twitch vods. after 3 months so only her new model stream as a highlight and older clips are still there now

Here I thought Asmon and I were going steady all this time.. damn man.

It’s the same for celebrities before internet socials blew up lmfao

I like a good personality and a smiling face. That is a lot of the charm these things have. Maybe some V-tubers are like bringing out a bright alter ego they have a harder time bringing out normally. Even the ones that are supposedly using voice changers. Some might even be introverts that can manage a new side of themselves in this way.

@Ninjadoku3779

Жыл бұрын

@@Evadann Video games are a way to escape reality aswell you know? Not just entertainment, same for books and alot of other entertainment stuff.

@cn2673

Жыл бұрын

just wait till you find out how many of these vtubers are both guys and pedos

@FrarmerFrank

Жыл бұрын

An introvert doesnt like interacting with people,though I think we are talking about socially awkward and Shy people hiding behind a *mask" to be more social....not introverts

Yeah once I saw gothamchess very tired and commented "you look so tired, you should maybe work less" and he wrote back "PARASOCIAL". So I looked up the meaning to the term and yep, he was right. So now I stop expressing my worries to streamers. Another brick of my humanity, gone.

I seem to recall a rap artist in the 90s that made a few songs about this sort of behavior going on in his life. Eminem - Stan, and Eminem - The Way I Am.

The parasocialism that comes from the content of "I'm your virtual gf, I love you," and all of the sexual content that is aimed at lonely dejected men for profit is one of the most harmful ones in my opinion. These guys foolishly think they will date/be with the vtuber and end up lonelier than before. Work on yourself fellas. Hit the gym, get in a career, idc but do things consistently to better yourself and build your self esteem. Watch Vtubers for strictly entertainment, nothing more.

@ANPC-pi9vu

Жыл бұрын

Which vtubers are doing that?

@MabinogiKen

Жыл бұрын

I also see the reverse. Fan girls can be equally dangerous. It's often seen as males simping hard for females... but the opposite is just as bad. I remember reading an article of some girl who wanted to rape a pop idol so bad just to have his kid, that it mind boggles me that she would go that length for a parasocial relationship. And I remember some girl, after finding out her idol has a secret gf, reacted the same way as males in the video and trash all her idol merchandise and anger and also sent death threats. Whether male, female, etc. parasocial relationship on the extreme is extremely tragic and toxic.

@ANPC-pi9vu

Жыл бұрын

@@MabinogiKen The lead singer of Pearl Jam was a total heart throb back in the day, and got a ton of stalking and harassment from female fans. One stalker was so over the top and persistent that he wrote a song about what he went through, and his wife ended up divorcing because she couldn't live like that anymore with the constant threats and invasion of privacy on top of her husband being gone on tour so often. It's really sad. If I understand correctly that one even broke into his home.

I want to get into vtubing some day when i move to the states and get my house and stuff, but one things for sure, i aint starting no relationsip, and i will make that clear in my streams, i can accept being friends but if it gets out off hand, insta ban, also its all gonna be car stuff, i think my fellow car nerds know what that means.

People do this kind of thing with actors / actresses as well. Like the girl that broke into Brad Pit's house at night in her pajamas, or the guy who shot Ronald Regan because he thought it would make Jody Foster date him; so it isn't really new, but does seem to be more common. I can sort of understand in places like China where they have 100 million more men than women. Obviously they can't all have girlfriends. Cities with a lot of industrial / oil jobs tend to attract more men than women. So, out of 7 million, it's probably 3 million women, and 4 million men. Still most of these kids just need a job that keeps them busy and away from their computer. Forced real interaction is the best therapy.

16:02 love that point cause those are His vids. A+ For self awareness 🤣

WOW i did not expect to see DN on this Channel

The only vtuber I knew anything about, was Fubuki, reason being I was already a fan of the artist that drew and draws the artwork for the act, I don't watch any vtubers, but watched a few clips, since some of it is kind of funny.

The comments when Asmon mentioned "the truth" the best one was "he washes his hands!"

Erotomania but a bit more dangerous since it’s a lot easier to get to most streamers than most actors/celebrities.

when the first thing i notice in the video* is the dying light music

I know that Asmongold is my best buddy despite not knowing I exist because otherwise I wouldn't feel his warm friendship when he kicks people who annoy him in the balls like he knows I like. Said no sane person ever.

I mean trauma dumping is not exclusive to streamers literally everyone that works as a cashier has some person trauma dumping on you when you are just ringing up their groceries. Idk why streamers think this doesn't happen to anyone else. Most never had to work a day in their life so they don't know i guess.

Too bad the creator of this video used parasocial information himself and not in a good way either for his own personal gain.

@htchn

Жыл бұрын

Dox dealer

wait what about the rate?

6 minutes into this video i still don't understand what the hell we are talking about

"I usually tell them not to kill themselves so they keep watching" shit had me dead lmao

Yo I see that Cream Soda Dr. Pepper, good taste. They just came out with a strawberries and cream, it's lit

16:45 There's some real weird angle people take with this type of shit too, where they see it like "she's out of my league, but she's fucked up psychologically, which lowers her down to my level" Freak shit

I hope Asmon watches Gigguk's video on vtubers someday. I think it's one of my favorites of his

Eyy asmon reacting to nousagi, best timeline

My justification for watching Twitch streams as much as I do is I don't know them, they don't know me but I'm into whatever they're doing despite who's doing it. I'm perfectly ok being labeled a loser for watching Zackrawrr or Nyanners spout off unhinged, incoherent takes at 2AM or Kripp playing his 100,000th game of Hearthstone Battlegrounds, and I'm not going to try to make up for it by acting like I have an actual relationship with these people as if I knew them or they knew me and I'm sorry but I'll also never drop a sub to any of them for that same reason lol. I would also NOT get their attention on the street if I saw them OR stalk them in any way whatsoever, and the fact that people have done that to any of them before is just naturally disgusting. IMO sub month and donation limits should be set so people are less encouraged to act out this completely psychotic behavior towards streamers and may actually put the rest of that money towards good use.

@SyLuX636

Жыл бұрын

That's the thing about Vtubers they prey on that attitude and get hundreds to millions a day. There not gonna stop when there literally getting money for doing nothing

@TonguelessDanny

Жыл бұрын

We have a saying in my country "There will always be a moron, therfore there will always be a scammer". A mentally unstable person will always exist, therefore a person who exploits a mentally unstable person will always exist. Just ignore it or start exploiting and manipulating them yourself I guess.

The "that sucks...anyways" talk reminds me of the Gura clip, "Gura my dog died...LETS GOOOO"

Sorry, stupid question, just realize after this video, I don't hear any donation on any of his videos, I'm not so familiar with twitch, but i know a bit, so you can turn that off? Never seen that on other streamer.

Blocking someone who expresses having strong parasocial behavior may make the situation worse. They may see that as challenge to invade your privacy even more.

@danielehartmann2787

Жыл бұрын

You've got to block em before its gettin nasty.

vTubing is very similar to pro-wrestling: Everyone watching understands (or should) that it's just a bunch of people playing fictional characters for our entertainment, with a great deal of improvised character development woven into a long-term narrative that is collaboratively built with their fellow performers. However, with wrestling, it's easier to look at a pro wrestler and inherently understand that they are a real person with a real life once they leave the stage. With vTubers, and the whole aspect of the animated avatar and the culture of not unveiling the person behind the performance makes it harder to visualize the real human with a real life off-stage/screen. Thus, it's easier for watchers to slip into the deep end of thinking of them only as their character, and therefore not a person.

I'll be honest, it might be my psych degree talking but I would have a very immediate and strict response to anyone displaying parasocial behaviour if I was a content creator. Like if someone donated money to send a message to me about their personal life situation and trauma or something similar I would probably respond with something like "Hey, thanks for the donation but that sounds like something you shouldn't really be telling me, I'm not your friend, your family or your therapist man, I urge you to go and get the help you need and I hope things improve but I will have to ban you if you dump any personal stuff like that on me again". It's unhealthy to encourage this type of thing in any way, I believe you should set firm boundaries to stamp this stuff out immediately as you aren't helping the person at all by ignoring or encouraging that type of thing (in fact if anything you're hurting them as you're just feeding their unhealthy dependence on you as a surrogate for whatever social or psychological hole they're trying to use you to fill).

You must be ready to face the evils down the path you chose to take. You have to know you’ve done this to yourself.

I enjoy vtubers, I think they are very entertaining and talented. But the parasocial thing is creepy. Watch the anime movie called Perfect Blue. It's a psychological horror movie from the 90s, and it predicted what online fandoms would be like and the dangers of parasocial relationships. It's a great movie.

@Rosso87

Жыл бұрын

Highly recommend watching this, and other Satoshi Kon films. Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers and Paprika are amazing.

@whenyoupulloutyourdickands4023

Жыл бұрын

What’s the difference between people forming parasocial relationships with vtubers and crazy fans of real life actors? Crazy people exist everywhere, not just in vtuber communities Hell, the movie you’re referencing is an example of those crazy fans stalking an ACTOR/Idol

@lazygamer4746

Жыл бұрын

@whenyoupulloutyourdickands4023 Well I think a big difference is vtubers real identities are unknown. Even their real appearance is unknown. I feel like there's more fantasy involved.

@SyLuX636

Жыл бұрын

Talent is questionable when they just sit all day and talk while using other peoples work. Most don't even play video games or draw.

@lazygamer4746

Жыл бұрын

@SyLuX636 Streaming and being entertaining is a talent. Asmon is talented in the same way. They are like storytellers and comedians. Not everyone can do it.

The term Parasocialism annoys me but only becasue the vast majority of people use the terms absolutly incorectly. whether its streaching the term to suit their needs in a disscusion or the other way around like asmond mentions its just wild, portray the thing correctly and then fight on the substance of thier claim thats my interpritation, only because the term is so unbelivibly flexible in the minds of others that honestly i just dont want the word to exist any more.

@TonguelessDanny

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Well damn dude, create a new word then or something then idk. If the majority of people use the term incorrectly then the usage is no longer incorrect, majority rules.

And that's why you never disclose your ubication online, not even to receive gifts from the fans. Better they give you the money and buy the gift yourself. Ack, some scary scheibe. Poor idols...

I don’t watch streams, I watch clips or sections of streams that have been edited and put on KZread.

I like where this is going

Just like Perfect Blue by Satoshi Kon

Remember, do not donate beyond your ability to support yourself.

@ObiAlmighty

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That one Ollie fan that donated her $5K: 💀

@captaincool6785

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@@killertruth186 bruh

@SyLuX636

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Why stop when you get millions by hiding behind an image of an anime girl. They don't care about there fans they just want the money.

@GastNdorf

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Dude you and the other turtle are friggin everywhere

@HappyDaze4200

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@@SyLuX636 for real! 😂

I wonder about the mental toll it must take as a Vtuber to be showered with love for your character and not for you yourself, or that you can be an idol because of your beautiful model, but may be ugly irl (I know some are attractive irl but that's besides the point). I don't think most of this is healthy at all UNLESS you accept you are a character and fans accept they're just fans. Also, even THEN it can still be seen as horrible because you are subjecting people that are prone to developing these parasocial relationships, the same way gambling subjects people to addiction that are prone to it. And that's regulated!

During the pandemic, I used to pretend we went to Wendy’s with asmongold, is that a para social relationship?

Did the editors slow Asmon down or something? Hes sounds drunk! lol

I hope he watches Nousagi's Coco videos

7:38 LMAO

18:15 Probably not because those viewers don't have actual functioning relationships outside of their room, right? Nah, that can't be the reason. It's not like young people feel lonely and VTubers are benefiting from it (like it's their actual business model), nope

17:49 perfect example lol

4:45 I think of monsoon

2:52 😂😂😂 That's Korean writing.... 😂😂

The only thing worse than parasocialism, paracommunism.

Depressed Nousagi huh? Haven't heard that name in a while

watching this I just had a grand epiphany. AI bots would make the perfect vtubers. Since they basically function by predicting patterns in conversation, and trying to extrapolate what you want to hear, while being just vague enough for your imagination to fill in the empty spots of the uncanny valley. Best of all if someone tries to dox them, all they'll find is a server farm, and bank account. Anyone looking for some investment opportunities?

It was already a thing with normal idols

I can definitely say a ton of your viewers, including myself, have a parasocial relationship with you. I often think about how your life events and mine are similar and different to gain an understanding of how I can make improvements to myself and my situation. But don't worry, I'm not going to look for your house or anything.

It's pretty scary what kind of people are on the internet. If you want to explore the fantasies and imagination, don't lose yourself and at least keep your foot in the realm of reality.

I was watching the movie "Her" and immediately thought of Soda with his jpeg GF Veibae.

I got a story about this crazy S*** back when Lindsay Lohan was in the news all the time about some crazy stuff my cousin came to me and asked me if I would give him money for a plane so he could show up at Lindsay Lohan's door to convince her to stop doing the crazy stuff she was doing and that he could be her boyfriend and I told him ha no bro you're going to end up arrested the word you just said to me word legit crazy had to get his mom involved which turned into a psychiatrist being involved 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

iirc this guy made a 4-6 hour video series about vtuber dramas.

So... what about those people who are technically in a parasocial relationship with... things e.g. cars, motorcycles, uhhh train stations lol 🤣🤣 Edit: Btw, This dudes back? Maybe he's learned that paywalled doxxing is still bad even if the info is out there with just a little bit of digging. 😆

A friend of mine streams and she over shares her life story at least once a week, and I tell her she's setting herself up for problems but she just gets defensive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I saw a clip once where someone donated to xQc saying something like “thank u so much Felix without you I wouldn’t be here due to depression/sui ideation” or something to that affect. xQc just very nonchalantly goes “hey man that’s weird I’m just a guy sitting playing video games” or something like that. It wasn’t a huge out down but it was straight and to the point. These people are just gamers trying to make a buck doing what they like. Yes they care that they have an audience, and are grateful, but they are absolutely not your dad/partner/family/therapist or even FRIEND. it IS abusive to say stuff like that. Imagine you’re playing video games for your job and some stranger says “thanks to you I did not kill myself today”. That’s putting an absolutely insane amount of pressure on someone who doesn’t even know who you are. It is not their responsibility to look after these people. And it’s true it’s not a new thing in entertainment or even streaming for that matter. Ice Poseidon being used as an example is great because his audience were fucking insane. RIP to the mental health of anyone who ever dated Paul during that time. The amount of digging around and abuse and threats directed to someone they thought might be his girlfriend and stuff, and Ice was definite parasocial too, he had multiple streams where he broke down crying because of how lonely he was before streaming and how good it is to have a family, and how when he has a “bad” stream he feels like he let so many people down like they’re is actual family.

It's true that more eastern viewers are more vulnerable to parasocialism one thing to keep in mind is that the term NEET (Not in Education Employment or Training) is from Japan and is very common there. So it's probably less likely to be their race and more likely that it's caused by their basement-dwelling ways

@epimetheus8243

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No, the work-culture just sucks. They have no freetime, and in case they drop out & stop working that's basically social suicide, you are dead for society, Then they become those isolated basement-dwellers called Neets.

Something in the water in Austin

I'm just glad my boyfriend Asmongold would never betray me... since he never leaves his house

Glad a nousagi video managed to be here. Very nice

they'll be learning about this crazy shit in the future when they have classes on internet history.

omygod asmongold found depressed nousagi's channel xD

Let's be honest. Did sanity ever actually exist? Because everyone is some form of crazy.

I miss depressed Nousagi

2:53 made me tilted

Some people just can't separate fantasy and reality, right, my best friend and secret lover Asmongold? Why don't you answer my calls? Should I come over? I'm coming over.

"I can fix her" No bro, I watch Menharas thinking "I can make her worse, and we can be terrible together!"

i like nousagi he so enjoying

Выдал базу под конец😎

I've legit stoped watching most streamers, just due to the physical and emotional pain such parasocial relationships eventuly cause