Just like in Warsaw, Poland - alignment towards sun, pararell linear construction performed by mechanical cranes lifting pre-fab panels :) Greetings from Warsaw!

Great to see more panel housing in Altengrad :D. That sure is a lot of parking, from what I've seen in Poland the reoccurring theme is that very little parking was provided both in the 70's and 80's developments. The streets in between the blocks were most often regular two-way streets but by the late 90's and 2000's once car ownership boomed one of the lanes would become completely clogged with parked cars, prompting the authorities to make most of the streets one-way.

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Poland had the least cars compared to other countries.

@LucasFernandez-fk8se

3 ай бұрын

This series is so good

I genuinely love the format of the Altengrad video's. Don't get me wrong, I also love Aurelia and Asturis but whole concept of the Altengrad project both showing the development of a city over time and talking about the things in the real world that are driving that development.

"it's science. it can't be wrong" is such an ironic statement, because the whole reason science is such a good thing is that it can be wrong and doesn't stick to dogma.

While entering 90's you should check Osiedle Bukowe in Szczecin wich was built in early 90's, it was very first approach to build pedestrian centered city using pre-fabricated technology, i think it could be a nice inspiration to add to Altengrad

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

This? maps.app.goo.gl/MJbodgM8k1oTkZAZ8

@persona5strikers

3 ай бұрын

@@AkruasYou could also take inspiration from Tócóvölgy in Debrecen, it was started in the late 80s and finished early 90s. It uses prefabricated technology but it actually looks so nice, having something like this in Altengrad would be super cool! maps.app.goo.gl/kbBUgbFpwK1MZbCa8

When the alternative is people sleeping on the street, especially after a devastating war and a growing population, the panel housing was a great invention! I grew up in a similar area in Sweden, and it was a good area, mostly free from cars inside the residential area, close to walk to whatever you needed whether it be stores or the doctor or whatever. I now live in what could be called an evolution of the panel housing, built in the late 80's, standardized but also some more variation in architecture using the same pieces.

@SvalbardSleeperDistrict

3 ай бұрын

And it doesn't look any more monotone than cookie-cutter house blocks of British cities or the hideously impractical eyesore of Murican suburbia.

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict. This is what we call a lie.

@SvalbardSleeperDistrict

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 I don't think you know the definition of a lie, in addition to "we"ing without any basis.

In Romania the program where these panel buildings were build was called “sistematizare” and even to this day these neightborhoods are the most well desingned places in every Romanian city. Love your content man

@Robytmro

3 ай бұрын

I would argue that things went downhill after the 1970s, when neighbourhoods started to be built in MUCH denser configurations than in the rest of Eastern Europe. You will not see places like Militari in Budapest, Warsaw, Prague or Kyiv. Rather, the rest of the region continued to keep the tower-in-the-park vibe you find in places such as Titan.

@ytdanytevero

3 ай бұрын

@@Robytmro That's true. In my city for example, places like Micro 16, Carpați 2 or Solidarității are a lot denser than neightborhoods like Micro 14 or Micro 15. In Romania at least it can be excused because we don't really have that much suitable space to build huge neightborhoods full of green and walkable space like in Gdansk. I mean, we still should't get into the current point where HUGE appartament buildings are build very close to eachother without any kind of actual urbanism plan. Like, the current situation with the real estate is kind of a disaster in our country

A new Altengrad video. You love to see it!

Greatest CS series of all time, its awesome to look back at how it began so you truly apreciate how far you´ve taken this. Congrats!

OMG BABE WHERE ARE YOU , ITS TIME TO WAKE UP (the story continues , tune into next weeks episode of BABE WAKE UP THERES A NEW Altengrad VID

Prefabs is a very interesting topics, with so many to uncover behind this plain concrete facades. As you described it all, there is a lot of scientific, architectural, urbanistic and engineering work hidden. And you are a great "professor" in making these lectures, as well as creating them in-game, so they looks awesome. You are perfect in making such areas! Will we see the rainbow-like eye-burning and colourful thermal insulation projects on them in 2000s? ;) Moreover, I would drop an idea about the tram - what if it wouldn't be constructed until 2000s and became a part of a "fast tram" line that would involve a tram tunnel under the city centre? That's exactly what happened to os. Kurdwanów Nowy in Kraków that was built in 1980s and the tram line was opened in 2000. I mentioned this idea once under your videos, you told that you thought something like this :p

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Yes, the Krakow underground tram is on my radar, but perhaps for a little different location, maybe similar to real life, no spoilers though :)

34:00 Nice view, looks almost isometric.

Man, I love this series. Thank you.

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

An absolute gem of a KZread series is back and back in style! I'll never get enough of Altengrad. So much knowledge and inspiration coming from your videos. You truly deserves all the awards out there for CS/KZread creators for your hard work! Also, that final shot was absolutely a chef's kiss!

Watching it from a panel block of flats (simply called 'blok' in Polish) from the late 80s! Most of these in Poland are now insulated so the panel structure is hidden. What stayed the same is the beautiful open layout of these buildings with plenty of greenery and walkable areas, schools, shops, and good public transport connections. It's in contrast to modern nieghbourhoods where developers cram as many buildings together as they can, enabling you to shake hands with the neighbour through the windows, with the surroundings filled with grey concrete and parking lots.

WOW! Nice job as always! I always kind of "hated" the prefab panel buildings in ex-soviet countries. They look so grey and unnatural. But it is very interesting to learn more about them; why were they used, and how and why were they built. This Altengrad urbanization is very massive, probably housing many citizens and growing the population significantly. And I'm sure they'll look way better in the future, when the trees get bigger and fill those empty spaces in between. I'm eager to see how will it all integrate with rest of the city in the future decades.

The 'nice stones' as the finish of the panels are washed concrete. If you wash with a hose the surface clean it has a different look. Still concrete tho! Great video, i love this series. I hope you enjoy making them

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I showed it in the panel manufacturing video.

@heroe2491

3 ай бұрын

I study architecture in Belgium. I am really intrigued by the panel housing estates, i would like to visit these neighbourhoods and feel how they function and how people live there. There is a general opinion about them, but I (who have lived in a semi detached house my whole life) am open to their function and time period. In Amsterdam there is the 'Bijlmermeer' estate, a honeycomb shape. Really beautiful, but living conditions?

It's also very interesting to see a picture of a random house and having the feeling that you have seen it in a place or two, exactly the same building, even though it was in a different country

In the old days, when a person found himself in an unfamiliar city, he felt lonely and lost. Everything around was alien: houses, streets and even life. But now it’s a completely different matter. A person finds himself in an unfamiliar city, but feels at home in it. What absurdities our ancestors reached. They agonized over every architectural project. And now in all cities they are building a standard cinema, where you can watch a standard feature film. Identical staircases are painted in a typical pleasant color. Standard apartments are furnished with standard furniture, and featureless doors have standard locks.

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

Oddly philosophical.

@bentilbury2002

3 ай бұрын

​@@dragonbornexpress5650I think it's a quote. It seems familiar.

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

@@bentilbury2002. It definitely sounds like a quote, but no clue who it comes from.

@vezdesuchiy

3 ай бұрын

​@@dragonbornexpress5650Every year at 31st of December...

@Alsemenor

3 ай бұрын

​@@dragonbornexpress5650It is from the Soviet movie Irony of Fate

I love your attention to the very details! I think one kind of the communist districts lack in your city. These are the cube houses built in the 70s intended for the communist middle class. You can check for example Świerczewo, Poznań or Jary, Bydgoszcz.

And we are still waiting for the night episode

workers and resources says hello

can we appreciate how experienced you are at building in cities lol

I like those neighborhood streets with perpendicular parking. Provides a lot of space for cars without needing big parking lots

Immense pleasure to follow the series, I enjoy all the urbanism history bits You gathered and distilled for us even more.

Awesome video as always! I would love you to continue the series once we reach the present in a way you think Eastern European cities like Altengrad should develop going forward. That way we would get more episodes and maybe just maybe we could get rid of those terrible urban highways we all love so much :)

This is so interesting! I've visited Prague a few times and really noticed some of the more modern 70s and 80s architecture there, especially in the metro, the central station, certain office buildings around the city center, the congress hall, and it really gave off a certain vibe. So i'm excited for the next episode. The postmodernist building at the bottom of Vaclavak square is especially quite nice for its age.

I've been watching your videos ever since Aurelia. Only just now I realied you're a fellow Czech. This video is of extremely high quality and I love the combination of detailed history combined with your skillful visualisation in Cities.

I love the last shot in the video. Could be a very interesting graphic

This is all super fascinating.

Таке відчуття, що у Центральній Європі дуже мало експерементували з блочними будівлями. Коли був я у Чехії та Польщі, то там вони були одноманітними, коли тільки у Дніпрі наличується десяток експерементальних або нетипових проєктів, що вже казати за усю Україну, де тільки Київ та Харків наличує сотні нетипових блочних житлових будівель. А так дякую за нове відео

In Lithuania the most popular series was 1-464, but Vilnius created it's own unique series 120V (hence the V for Vilnius) and majority of them have panels decorated with pebbles, very nice architectural decision

Here in Finland we also have huge numbers of panel housing, entire historic city centers were completely demolished in favour of panel blocks. A lot of them today are in need of repair and refurbishments, it’s also no easy task to repair them to modern standards. It really is that if someone would find a standardised solution to repair these buildings, he/she would have no shortage of work

The big panel apartment buildings have become quite common for newer builds where I am in the United States. Seems we can't really call them "Commie blocks" anymore. =p

Thank you so much for continueing altengrad ❤

Cool combination of the apartment block and stores!

The new district really looks very similar to Neu-Paunsdorf from my hometown🤩, greetings from Leipzig, Lausen-Grünau 😊👍

Wow, its getting better amd better! I can't wait for the next episode.

Intresting as always! How will the tram be connected to the network? Got stuck watching cab views of the Prague tram system after watching this series last year.... 😅

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Could be extended from the university or from direction of the parliament.

Ep 86: worker & resources

I love WBS 70 and I liked this video! Thanks!

Ok I din't expect to see you showing where I live :D

Haha I almost become nostalgic even though I'm not Slovak. Would you think about building some megachurch in the 90s, like Hit Gyülekezete in Hungary, Slovo Života in Czechoslovakia or Slovo Zhizni in Moscow? I had no idea about their relevance until newly, but they sure represent a sharp contrast between state atheism and the revival that followed the fall of the wall.

@serebii666

3 ай бұрын

"revival that followed the fall of the wall." Depends where. Absolutely nothing of the sort is at all palpable in the Czech side. What was far more controversial was the restitution of Church properties, which was highly divisive and most people in Czechia erred on the side against the Church.

@hampusboman7143

3 ай бұрын

@@serebii666 Well, many religious movements grew, even in Czechia. Evangelical Christianity, and Christianity at large is not that big in Czechia, but don't you have very many Jehovah's Witnesses compared to the rest of Europe? And those alien worshippers, I forget what they're called? People searched religion and faith after years of state atheism, although in Czechia this was absolutely smaller than in other eastern countries.

@serebii666

3 ай бұрын

@@hampusboman7143 " very many Jehovah's Witnesses compared to the rest of Europe" No, Czechia has about 16k JW, which as a proportion puts Czechia in 31st place out of 44 European countries. For comparison Slovakia has 11k for a population about half of Czechia's, Austria has 22k for having 2 million less people, while similarly sized Greece has 28k, and Portugal has 52k. Other cults tried to establish themselves, like Scientology, but are not considered religions or societies. Dianetics centers are registered as associations. "alien worshippers" ? Do you mean Jedis? Those were declared as memes for the census. Organized religion was never popular among Czechs since the forced counter-reformation in the 17th century. Christianity was associated with state control under the Habsburgs so it was not viewed as a safe space during communism like it was in Poland. There was also no cleric fascist movement in Czechia that entrench religion in the national identity like what happened in Slovakia under Tiso.

@serebii666

3 ай бұрын

​@@hampusboman7143 "very many Jehovah's Witnesses compared to the rest of Europe? " No, Czechia has 16k JW, which in proportion puts it at 31st place out of 44 countries. Compare to similarly sized Portugal with its 52k, Greece with its 27k, or Austria, which has 22k while having 2 million less people. Slovakia has 11k, even though it has about half of Czechia's population. "And those alien worshippers," Do you mean Jedis? They are a meme entry in the census, since it was a write in question. They are probably the best example of how unserious people in Czechia are concerning religion. Organized religion has not been popular in Czechia since the time of the counterreformation in the 17th century due to Catholicism's and by extent all Christianity's association with Habsburg political control. Because of that tradition, the Church never served as a safe space during communism, like it did in Poland, and Czechia never had the clerical f@scist movement that embedded religiosity into the national identity like what happened in Slovakia with Tiso.

@hampusboman7143

3 ай бұрын

@@serebii666 Ah, no I was thinking of Vesmírni Lidé, but those maybe aren't that large either, or they are Slovak? Anyways, I do understand that this religious revival that followed the fall of the wall wasn't as big in Czechia as the rest of the east, but what I am talking about is the growth of these movements in post-communist Europe, like Slovo Života, Hit Gyülekezete, Pentecostalism, Evangelicalism, Jehovah's Wintesses, Latter-day Saints, Neopaganism, Vesmírni Lidé and Hare Krishna, etc. The thing is that these movements, in Czechia, grew from 0 % of the population to over 1 %, that is more than 100,000 people. Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity in other countries too of course.

Reminds me of the genius video essey: Bunkers, Brutalism and Bloodymindedness: Concrete Poetry with Jonathan Meades

Only 4 episodes to the collapse of the eastern block I believe! Democracy will soon rule in this great city!

@Toweleee

3 ай бұрын

I doubt, they still haven't released homeless dlc

this has been the most educational CS video ever.

I am so glad you keep this series alive and still Play cs1! But i think you made one small but signifikant Error. You said detailing is difficult for those block-areas, which is true for almost all Residential areas. But the real Error lies in your approach to realism in The Game. You only apply realism to optics. It would be far more realistic If you applied realism to simulatet Population as well. If you would use mods to make it so that the number of residents per Block is actually correct Like in Real Life, far more citizens would live there than shown in The Video. And that brings me Back to my detailing-point: It ist pretty easy to Detail an Area in which 20.000 people live (Like they would be if you used more realism) as opposed to an Area where only 500 people live (for example in a realistic Low density-area).

Can you make the collection of your assets of asturis and altengrad cities. . Its really It is important for me thank you

Babe! new Altengrad video just dropped

Adam Gebrian mentioned

The city needs a stadium/sports complex, they were very common in the Eastern Bloc. Something like the Spodek Arena in Poland, or the Sportforum Hohenschönhausen in the DDR. There's a few assets in the workshop like the Jahn Sportpark that could fit in very well in this city. Sorry if I keep repeating the same comment over and over again, it's just that I would love to see this.

cool area! but missing some towers.

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

The place in real life doesn't have towers.

AUTHOR MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT FINNISH VYBORG 1939, THEY MADE A WHOLE WEBSITE ABOUT THIS CITY CALLED VIRTUAL VYBORG.

@emil3458

3 ай бұрын

I wish it still belonged to Finland

just click ctrl+shift+b to copy paste that road markings for the whole street, saves a lot of time

Serious question, why does Altengrad have a whole nuclear power plant and no beer brewery? I mean it is located in central europe, it seems logital to have a brewery in a city this size.

0:06 That car in the lower right is totally glitching out.

For the Soviet Union , a country who still had thousands living in poor conditions either due to WW2 aftermath or other , Panel houses was a quick way to get everybody a pretty nice roof over their heads. True , these buildings arent nice looking. But think about how amazing these looked to a person from a village , where its just log cabins and a outhouse. A kitchen , electricity and so much more. I dont know about other countries , but here in Lithuania , Most panel houses were meant to be rebuilt in the late 80s early 90s. But the Soviet Union fell apart before those plans were realized.

@Dutchwheelchair

3 ай бұрын

didn't the grey image of these buildings came after the fall? Wasn't the outside painted?

@AlexOnTheSide183

3 ай бұрын

@@Dutchwheelchair Sometimes but not on large scale , but i may be wrong on this. , but often times they were painted in easy to manufacture colors.

@user-vc2ku6hl1k

3 ай бұрын

This.

hey i have that same crashing issue

My dude, you need to play Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic, it's so crazy how you need to completelly change your approach in city planning in comparison even to modded CS.

Great video! I prefer living in a country w house to everyone

Nice

Excellent video! In Israel we have plenty of these standardizes apartment blocks from the 60s-70s-80s still standing. Its not a pretty sight, but it did provide cheap housing to people.

We just wait till the ✈ or the 🚇 comes!

Awesome build! I love the look of this. Whats the name of the city you show at 17:30? I play a lot of W&R: Soviet Republic at the moment, and this would be a perfect inspiration for a city!

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

17:05

@thecommentingnoodle1086

3 ай бұрын

It's right here in Prague 13: maps.app.goo.gl/aQZ7uAU8TvWWuVU58

when are we getting a first person pov throughout the whole city?

Affordable homes… they will have at least one fan as long as I live

shame you don't touch upon Yugoslav architecture of the same era. I understand it doesn't fit the "central Europe" label, but a lot of projects and architects did amazing stuff within the "prefab models" architecture. Drawing inspiration from soviet(50s) and central European models (60s). But more importantly evolving into one of the world leaders in modernist architecture during 60s and 70s and into the 1980s. Always found Hungarian, Czech and Polish socialist suburbs quite bleak compared to Yugoslav ones.

WBS-70 forever in my heart, even tho im glad i dont live in one no more :D

Are you going to have gentrification in the late 1990s to today in altengrad?

Whats the name of the map you use for altengrad?

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Copper Creek

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Looks like my old hood

What is the name of the single-floor commercial building placed at 25:36 ?

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816671106

@tk5gqj514

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@Akruas Thank you

Are you planning to build an airport in Altengrad?

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

No

I really liked your takes on the "average" according to communism and your dislike of the general sentiment of todays science world , not everything can be measured and explained , some things are bigger and invisible from and to those methods

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I really appreciate your series! I do think it would be even nicer if the different new areas were better and more logically connected to the existing ones. They seem to be somewhat randomly planted in the landscape, leaving a lot of unused space between them and the ‘old’ city.

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

maps.app.goo.gl/qUebjcPsAUjmTdJr8

@harmbron1794

3 ай бұрын

@@AkruasExactly, direction and orientation are different but there is not much open, unused space between the different areas

@grisvonlada68

3 ай бұрын

I think the placement makes sense, but maybe it would look more like the real example with more wild vegetation and forested areas, open fields that aren't clearly agricultural always look a bit unintentional in C:S @@Akruas

@egg_musubi

3 ай бұрын

​@@harmbron1794 He's said that in real life Altengrad would have more suburbs + filler near the edges but there's no point to building them since they would take too long and be repetitive. So if it was more realistic there would be less open space but luckily it's a youtube series :)

more playgrounds! more benches! more small shops! more kiosks! more parks! more public transport! more sports grounds!

why are there so few trees?

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

it was just finished

Beutiful

My game crashes similarly to like you described it

Please build more brutalistic buildings😉

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

Not that simple.

@_FnejFox_

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 Yes i know

6th!

god I fucking LOVE this series

In Sweden, it was called "Miljonprogrammet" (the million program). Numbers vary but between 65-74 just over a million new apartments were built. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Programme

33:23 (You need to upgrade it.)

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

Upgrade what?

@doublea06

3 ай бұрын

Your computer.@@Akruas

I just don't see what's ugly at all about large-scale practical housing. Sure as fuck need some combloc flats where I am. Housing shortages are a bitch (unless you're the landlords...)

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

Functional doesn't mean not ugly; This is a non-argument.

@Ne1vaan

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 It isn't though, because it's used as a reason to not build dense cheap housing.

Looks really depressing cinpared to the rest of the city

Í am sad you flattened the whole area, having it on a slight incline as before makes it so much more interesting! Also for views from other parts of the city you might spot the blocks growing in the background

@Akruas

3 ай бұрын

I only have flat buildings.

Why I never understood was less about the houses themselfs and more about the placements. Why let the houses stand as individual towers with what alwalys felt to me as miles of "green spaces" between ? I mean if that green space was properly used, maybe but even then it seems excessive often. Worse the "green spaces" i have experienced were basically grass fields consisting of mud puddles with no actual plants outside of some stining nettles and definitly not something as realxing as a tree. Also no pathways either...

@57thorns

3 ай бұрын

The idea was to provide green space for outdoor activities. However, those green spaces need maintenance, and trees, and if you stop maintaining them things will go bad quickly. In a time where women took care of the kids at home, and not everyone had a car, you would have a lot of people outside in those green areas.

@Minecraftzocker135

3 ай бұрын

@@57thorns I don't see the value even with a mowed lawn and a tree here and there. I mean this is a question of arrangement of housing, it's almost like Soviet suburbia. I believe houses should be moved closer together and the created empty space should be a real green belt, you know a big natural park / forest. Also, if they weren't able to maintain the public areas more of it should be private gardens

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

@@Minecraftzocker135. That was never gonna be the case.

@Minecraftzocker135

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 what ?

@dragonbornexpress5650

3 ай бұрын

@@Minecraftzocker135. A lot of it can be boiled down to standardization and, more importantly, modernism: The idea that the conventions of the past have no place in a "modern" society. (A mindset that wasn't entirely exclusive to the Soviet Union or the Eastern Bloc, either; It was all over the place.) This resulted in the whole thing with the towers and the disregard for classic streets as well as other rejections of past designs; Plus, if that wasn't enough, the residents rarely even had the opportunity to own flats and, even when they DID, 9 times out of 10 it was a heavily corrupt process with agonizingly long waiting times. See the previous videos in this series for more details.

first

17:58 what communism does to people lol

4:30 oh those pesky personal opinions! Why do you need your own opinion if you have the Party and its opinion!

I can't wait for the hideous 90s and 00s Central Europeans poor man's postmodernism - we everything got styrofoam insulation and cheapest super colorful plaster in wierd patterns, people immediately after communism wanted to impress their neighbours yet had no taste so we have lots of tasteless new money building that aged like milk in last 30 years. Please please don't forget about this era!

Le Corbusier's modulor is actually a great example of his fashy tendencies, in that it's an aesthetic/ideological preference dressed up as an objective fact and then forced on others. He chose 1,83m as the base unit not because he scientifically determined that it's optimal in some way. It's because the typical height of a well-grown handsome man in Anglo media at the time was "six feet", which comes out to 1,83m. He said so himself. So not only does the modulor ignore most humans (women and children), it doesn't even correspond to any particular measurement of real-world men.

The blocks really don't fit together at all, you wouldn't find a block district in East Germany where the block types were built like that.

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