Vintage cameras and formats are only going to get MORE relevant as retrospective series and films leverage past events in their stories.

@adambobroy7682

Жыл бұрын

id love to show you my tapeless minidv cam !

@ModernVintageFilm

Жыл бұрын

I really really hope so! Shooting film and so happy

Something i have learned over the years is every camera has its own very unique picture style and it all these different image sensors are really the electronic version of different film emulsions. No matter how many cameras i have been using since 1997 (and all these different formats) everything really changes when you use a certain camera for a certain look and feel. And no matter how much resolution options we have nowdays, including better dynamic range, there's something really fuzzy and familiar about shooting in lowrez DV or analog formats. The DVX100 is still one of my absolute most favorite Videocameras ever because it always gave me exactly what i wanted. A camera that lets me adjust image settings and make my recordings look like 16mm footage while also being flexible enough to let me shoot stuff that looks like video and it doesn't even need to be HD. Also, They used Video8 for the Videoscenes of "The Blair Witch Project", not VHS.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant mate thanks, and yes VIDEO 8! I kind of merged those formats together (video vs film). Thanks for the clarity! Also that DVX right? Glad we share the love of that camera.

@fungo6631

7 ай бұрын

If you shoot anything at 4K and add some grain it will look like 16 mm film footage. If you scan the 16mm film properly with high end scanners, you might not even tell the difference between that and digital video.

@KRAFTWERK2K6

7 ай бұрын

@@fungo6631 Well it depends. Digital Video footage (even at 4K) mostly looks like video because of the electronic shutter, compared to the mechanical shutter-blade of a filmcamera. This is mostly what makes Video footage stand out the most. Filter wise however you even have the chance to add that sweet glowing Halation effection of Film which is really working amazingly well to create the illusion.

@MarkHoltze

7 ай бұрын

@KRAFTWERK2K6 ya film look is hard to achieve and I agree. Faking film I wouldn’t even recommend it. When I mentioned shooting 8mm film it was shooting 8mm film proper, not trying to replicate the look. We’ve done it for a number of productions, world war 2 docs and true crime series that took place in the 70’s. Shoot super 8mm film stock, and develop using similar techniques of the time to get as close to that look as possible. Same thing with the 90’s series I worked on and am working on season 3. Shooting mini dv and beta formats to match the time archive footage

I learned a lot from this video! And I think you're right; I see kids on tiktok in high school now doing vintage vlogs with their parents' old Sony HDR-CX130 Handycam from 2011. I laughed at first but after watching the footage, I get it. The soft low bitrate digital look is nostalgic to gen z. I filmed my 4 years of college on a dozen VHS tapes a couple years ago and I found that watching them doesn't invoke that nostalgic feeling because VHS was not the standard in 2018. Instead, that nostalgic feeling came from the snapchat memories and videos on my phone. It was a eureka moment for me that if you really want your own memories to feel nostalgic, you can't fake it. Use the technology of whatever era you're in, and the passage of time will do the rest

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Time is def the hardest variable. Like as Einstein said, it’s relative (to our own experience) :) thanks for stopping by!! ✊

@casualgamer5218

Жыл бұрын

This is why i'm not trying to produce anything "nostalgic" when I edit videos. When it comes to nostalgia, "don't fake it" is such a true statement. Most people who are obsessed making nostalgic media are way too young to even experience it. (Including me)

@fungo6631

7 ай бұрын

An HDR anything Handycam certainly isn't lower bitrate than what phones are using. In fact, it looks better than many phones today.

Back when I was fresh out of school I bought a DVX100a and a Redrock-micro adapter so I could use Nikon glass and get that shallow DOF. It was the longest camera in the world, but it shot 24p. I felt like a king using that thing. Used it up until I got my RED One :) Crazy times.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! I wish I had the eos EF to xL adapter now to mount my Contax Zeiss lenses on this thing!

@eladbari

Жыл бұрын

That adapter you talk about- was it like a long weird tube that micro vibrated for some reason and enabled you to get DSLR like footage with a huge DOF?

@RednWhiteWorld

Жыл бұрын

I also had nv-gs 400 3 ccd Panasonic camcorder with DIY DOF adapter to 50mm primes, it had vibrating prism built in...still have it !

@eladbari

Жыл бұрын

@@RednWhiteWorld why did it vibrate?

@RednWhiteWorld

Жыл бұрын

@@eladbari the reason it needs to vibrate is because there are tiny imperfections in the focusing screen that the digital camera will capture. by vibrating the focusing screen you effectivley blur them out of view. they make static dof adapters picture isn't as good.

I loved my DVX100b! 24p, 180° shutter speed, built in ND filters, XLR inputs, The camera was absolutely ahead of its time..

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

For sure, these cameras is all you would need in one tight package.

Welcome back! And I agree with #3 the most... I love going back to where I started and re-using my old cameras. It's especially rewarding because I know so much more now about video and filmmaking that I'm able to apply to them! If only I knew then what I know now, all my old stuff wouldn't look so awful! 😭🤣

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!!

I know so little about film making and your videos really help me appreciate the art behind the camera as much as in front.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Happy to share whatever knowledge I have, most of it won't stick but as long as some of it does :)

Great video Mark!! Love the examples of the WWII documentary on 8mm film. The 2018 scenes using 8mm film looked much more cohesive than the 4K footage

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Mixed in with the gun cam stuff too, just worked so well.

@fungo6631

7 ай бұрын

That's not a merit of the film format though. 8mm film look depends A LOT on how you scan it. If you scan it with modern film scanners and it's in good shape, with some grain filtering it will look like something filmed with a modern camera. For that old look, you need to scan it with some vidicon camera tube, like it was done back in the day.

@MarkHoltze

7 ай бұрын

@fungo6631 ya that’s true. They’re still scanning it with higher resolution stuff I imagine, unless they have those tube scanners still available. I don’t see a problem scanning higher resolution the older formats, getting the most out of the film stock resolution isn’t in anyway drastic way taking away from the authenticity of the time. If anything it pays tribute to his hood 8mm film stock was, but yes developing was also a big deal. Most home videos were just mass developed , when we shoot 8mm for modern productions we have a lot of room to push in the film development process depending what we are going for.

I've been MISSING YOU, Mark! Glad to see you back here. Cheers! //Rick

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Good to be back mate. Thanks for the encouragement ✊

Loved it all and I’ve never shot a lick of video. Great to see you on my tablet again.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Well thanks so much for having me. 🙌

This is the first video i watch on your channel. Damn good structure, LOVE it

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by, I do a lot of "old tech" type deep dives, less so about the tech and more about the history and demonstrating what you can achieve with it. It's a bit of mixed bag lol, but thanks again for some of your time today.

Absolutely brilliant video! Loved the reference to "skate mode" hahaha. Also a bit of history they actually used a vx1000 for the early jackass stuff. Theres an awesome mini doc on youtube about the history of the vx with skateboarding and its use for war videography/broadcasting. Such an awesome camera, and paired with the mini death lens (the setup in jackass) its just beautiful.

Excellent storytelling, I feel really immersed into that time when gear meant a lot

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

✊

whoaaa, definitely here for the throwback cbc and unitel clips at the end !

Awesome video mate. Love this visual essay format!! Totally onboard with feeling older formats.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

We’re cut from the same cloth mate. Damn ocean between the most authentic collaboration ever 😆

@120fps

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze one day I’ll find a justifiable work reason to come over. 100% will be worth and documented on VHS 🤣

Good to see that you are back!🎉🎉🎉

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Happy to be back!! Thanks for the warm welcome!

My dude is super talented. I have been following your work for some time at first to learn about Soviet lenses and more. I like how you have pivoted into just fun stuff. Thanks for making great stuff!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, I think the lens reviews just get to feel the same, i hate studying charts and optical "flaws" I'd rather talk about what motivates me to want to shoot with that lens plus some lens history. I still love it, but it's nice to branch out a bit. My youtube experiment "failed" to some degree based on certain expectations so breaking past that i think is essential to get back to what I love about making videos for this platform. Thanks for the kind words and your attention for a few minutes.

@helpfulmole

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Homie, it must be super freeing to make what motivates you. Fuck the bullshit make the cool shit. I just invented that. But yeah you can sense that you care a lot more doing different things. 10/10 you win and do more (or dont!) of whatever the heck is right for you.

Love it man! I recently shot a bmx event with a canon ax h1, and shot pictures with a 35mm camera, i love the vibe of analog footage.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Perfect situation to do that. I like the i idea of covering an event with regular modern cameras and using retro video as an accent B or C cam to that

I love the older video cameras. I especially love the video cameras that used vidicon tubes for imaging, such as the Ikegami ITC-730A as mentioned in your video. I have an Ikegami HL-95B from 1986 which uses Plumbicon tubes, and a Sony DXC-M3A which uses Saticon tubes. Both cameras are professional and use the three sensor design. Also would like to mention that Saticon and Plumbicon tubes are both based off of the vidicon tube, just improved. These cameras give you the effect of being a news cameraman and capturing historical events. Like for example, the RCA TK-76 camera captured the attempted assassation of Ronald Reagan in 1981 and other important events. I also have a number of consumer video cameras from the time such a Panasonic Newvicon tube camera (which I did a review of on my channel), and a few Sony ones. The consumer cameras that used vidicon tubes, like my Panasonic PK-959, really give you the effect that you are in the 1980s watching someone's home video. It really does. If you're curious, I actually shot my most recent video where I check out a Betamax VCR completely on MiniDV tape, using my Sony DSR-PD150 which I recently bought. It's similar to the Panasonic AG-DVX100A. I shot the video on MiniDV tape, transferred it into to my computer, upscaled it to 1080p, edited it using Adobe Premiere, and uploaded it!

I took my DVX100 to Seattle and Vancouver last month. I love the look of the image. Filmic.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

It’s just such a nice camera to use as well. Great ergonomics, good image control. Makes everything look 2002 ;)

I used to shoot with one of these every week back in the day. Loved snapping that zoom in and out 🤣

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Yes! The manual focus is pretty great as well. Compared to the XL1’s lol. Those snap zooms man, the “MTV” look

It's so dope with these cameras nowdays if you have had a good use and maintenance. I have a couple of point-and-shoot cameras, both analog and digital, where in that time I used them for photo and video, but now they need some fixing. And I hope I want to buy a older one to see the texture for a future video.

Awesome topic!!! Great video!!! Thank you for the continued outstanding content! I hope all is well!!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by Kyle! As is well mate, same with you?

@Hitchelfitkyle

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze yes sir! Life is good!

Nice video, amazing to see how image(video) quality has improved. I still have an old Dvcam. Haven't used it in ages, but maybe I should try it out again just for fun

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

You should, curious to know how it feels to use it again!

This video is gold! New to the channel! In the process of editing a video with the VX1000!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping Ricky! ✊

Great vid mate , good to see you getting some free time again. 👍

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

The free time was there I just wasn’t sure it should be applied to KZread lol. Was a nice break but good to be back in the space in some capacigy

@34Media

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze nice to have a break, glad you got to relax a little.

such a great video! Just ordered a vintage camera last week!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Which one!!!!!???? I’m both excited and curious hence the punctuation

Great video!!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ranndyy!

I love my Sony mini DV camcorder. Used it for free work but also lots of commercial work as well. I even shot 2 music videos using only that camera, it just had such an aesthetic feeling to it!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

That rules man, i love shooting with those cameras too, the look you get totally works in this era of high resolution video.

@Steinthedude

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Definitely!

@RednWhiteWorld

Жыл бұрын

TRS 900 ? 950 ?

Awesome, as always! :)

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Another awesome video!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! ✊

What a great video!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching mate ✊

Great video!! 🙌🙌🙌

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Feels good to get back into it. The wheels needed greasing

Just did my first multi-media project for a music vid. Used UHD, DV, high-8 and super 8. It was a learning experience trying to capture all that old tech and analog with the found cameras. Long story short, trying to hook up obsolete wires to a 2020 Mac was a pain... the high-8 wouldn't capture and the super-8 footage was damaged (6 rolls!!!). The DV worked, thank god. We ended up taking the 4k camera and recording the playback on the hi-8 screen and using the super 8 test we shot prior for all the film burns and fast motions. I'd do it again in a heart beat hahaha, it looked so cool.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

That's amazing! I'd love to see that!

I love vintage lenses and vintage eveything!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Me too!!

Love this!!!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! ✊

such a great video!!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryan

very enjoyable as always!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@SnakeCakeExotics

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Just noticed you are local! If you ever feel like shooting some snakes would love to meet you sometime! Totally self taught so if you ever think of something you'd like to do involving snakes or geckos I'd be more than happy to make it happen!

Still have my Dvx100b in working condition, it does provide that nostalgic feel to the footage, going to do a whole feature with it and enjoy the transfer process.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

The transfer process, the best part about it was being forced to watch the footage as it captured. I always captured in 10 min intervals. As it ingested I would be watching the footage, absorbing it and even being able to put additional notes as they came in. Broken time codes are annoying, but if i was shooting it never happened. Now it's just dump everything walk away make coffee and come back and screen in the edit which, always feels like a bit of a waste. If i'm "in the chair" i want to be EDITING, not passively screening ;)

@mirrecords

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze I completely agree, logging footage throughout the various projects I’ve worked on has been a lesson in organizational skills, attention to detail and most of all patience. Reviewing footage as if it would be transferred is something I still do even when working with data dumps, having a look at all the footage before actually transferring to the editing environment allows for better media management. Identify what works and not before the data dump has saved me a lot of time on the editing process. Now one thing I worry about is that my only machine that still has a firewire connector is getting old and that IIEE port on the dvx is temperamental on other machines. I dread the day when that computer decides to just stop working. Any workaround? Keep that content coming \m/

I’ll never sell my Canon XL-1! It was my entre into the world of pro video, and I think it still looks daring. As an avid thrifter I’ve been able to pick up other dream cameras of the past. Plus I’ve been doing crazy video art lately, and having cheap SD cameras around have been super useful.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

I really want the EOs adapter for this so I can put my Contax on them lol. I should have bought it used when I saw it on B&H a few years ago. Love the XL1, iconic camera ;)

Idk if it’s your cadence, but your content reminds me of early vsauce stuff. Love your work fr Mark!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching mate! Appreciate it!

Mark! Yes!!!

Lighting will always be more important than cameras because good lighting looks good for any camera

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Light is the implied standard. It doesn’t help with image texture, but certainly does with mood.

What would be your opinion on a Panasonic AG-AF100? It's a micro 4/3" camera from 2010 that records in 1080p. I got one for a good deal from a friend in Sweden ($250 including shipping) and I'm wondering if holds up well. I bought a lens adapter that will let me mount a 2/3" B4 lens (for ENG), but I might buy a normal 4/3" lens in the future. Since I already have two B4 lenses and they aren't being used I decided to pair them with my new AF100. I plan on using an external Rode NTG1 XLR microphone. The camera is coming tomorrow. The XLR inputs and raw SDI output seem like great features. I'm wondering if it looks better to capture raw 1080p SDI from the camera and upscale it to 4K.

Last year I went absolutely nuts on eBay buying multiple DVX100’s HVX200’s Hi8’s the lot 😂 it was so much fun.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

I got the DVX 100 a with everything plus a camera case for $50, it was a local Toronto sale so that probably impacted the price, but when I saw it I had to get it even if at the time i didnt' have any immediate plans for it.

@KRAFTWERK2K6

Жыл бұрын

holy shit MULTIPLE DVXs? I could only afford ONE when i found one a few years ago. But stuff over here in Europe (and especially germany) is always SOOOOOO expensive....

The DVX100B was my second camera after my Sony VX2100 got stolen. The DVX was awesome because it had 24P! Now when I teach people how to make videos and they complain about “how long” it takes, I explain to them how editing DV tape worked and they calm down.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

24p was a big deal for me back then too! Ya tape capture real time Vs drag and drop. Nice thing with capturing tape is you can screen it while it goes in so you are already starting the critical process of editing :)

Long live the Panasonic DVA 100 - one of the best ergonomic camcorders ever made - worked great on my STEADICAM SK (with some weight added).

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

It’s such a good camera!

Hey Mark! Absolute fan of all of your videos! Recently got lucky enough to purchase a Konica Hexanon AR 57 mm f1.2 lens, would be great if you share your thoughts on it, may be a video perhaps considering how cool that is? Thank you!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Sounds great!! Let me know how you like it!

@chandrateja8683

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze surely will!

You gotta do a full video with the DVX100b, please I don’t see much videos about the camera

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Ya I prob should! Thanks for the suggestion!

very good!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

✊

The camera that Noxville is holding (and dropping) in the golf cart scene is unfortunately not a DVX100, but a VX1000 from Sony. You can tell by the shape of lens unit on the camera.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I actually figured that out while editing this. Cause I was able to watch the scene over and over. The DVX and XL1 are all over the film so I assumed it was. The Sony is too, back then all those cameras were used interchangeably. You’re the 5th person to recognize it, I left it in ultimately to see how many would confirm what I mostly suspected. Good eye!! We shall call you hawkeye

I just recently bought a new battery for my VHS Camcorder. Perfect for some of my music videos!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Nice! What camera is it?

@RomanHoltwick1

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze It is a Grundig Live Cam LC 295SN. It has a nice Zoom and the colors it produces take you right back into the 90s. It's just great filming with the little CRT in the viewfinder and the VHS humming right beside your head 😌 And the videos look so charming, it really fits the style I'm aiming for (Lynch x Refn). So with that fresh battery I'm planning on shooting a complete music video on this thing. I think in my video "A trick of the light" I used some footage from this camera.

I still have a working Super 8mm film camera, 8mm Hi-8 Video camera and a Sony HC-9 HD mini DV video camera as well as my 2 Canon DSLRs. On my DSLRs I sometimes use vi Tage Canon FD lenses and vintage MD mount Minolta lenses for a diffrent feel and look to my videos

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

I use a 3CCD Sony broadcast camera for most of my work, since it's kinda the only camera I have at the moment, and I must admit, giving everything an early-2000s TV feel to stuff really gives a vibe you can't quite get with even color corrected footage on cine cameras.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Is it a standard DV cam?

@VauxhaIIOpel

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze I believe it's one of the more "entry-level" DVCAM over-the-shoulders, a DSR-450, so nothing extraordinary; doesn't even have 16:9. Even though it's ancient, it's way more fun than using a phone, or those new plasticky camcorders that feel like you're holding air.

Hi Mark, also using svhs camcorders and hi 8 handycams here. I wondered how you digitized yours to the computer ? I was using some generic a/v to usb things from amazon for a while. Very hit and miss but i had one that captured it very nicely. However they always crap out and stop working, especially since i moved to windows 10. For glitchy and feedback stuff (visuals) i can just rescan a crt with a dslr, but my personal footage id love to just be able to get it on my pc via usb like i used to. If there was anything you could recommend i would grateful. Thanks and thanks for the video !

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

I have a clear to click device (i made a video about it) that works really well for the analogue stuff. For mini DV I have some adapters (also made a video about it) firewire to thunderbolt and am able to capture video through quicktime as it recognizes (through the adapters) the DVX 100 and XL1. I was looking into third party software since Premiere and Resolve don't give me the ability any longer. I do have an old Mac G5 tower with FCP 7 if I need to log and capture batch stuff. I'll have to convert all those files to pro res though as the latest capture codec isn't recognized on modern machines. It's a pain in the ass for sure, but the clear to click device works nicely, records directly to SD card, don't need a computer. It de-interlaces for you, you can't change teh capture settings, but captures at the default frame rate and resolution. It's fairly inexpensive (although more than the amazon adapters) and has worked well the last 2 years.

I've been doing a lot of experimenting with "vintage" video lately. Been playing with emulating various looks with After Effects, and even bought an analog video titler and 8mm projector for the authentic look.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Ya the filters work great, if you put filters on and combine it with the kind of zooms you get with these cameras it's even more convincing. The texture is one thing, but it's like, when you shoot with a modern camera, you need to shoot in the style of these old cameras and it just adds a nice authenticity layer.

@chris_sparrows

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Definitely. That's exactly what I did, adapted a cheap lens, turned off IBIS, and fought my filmmaking instincts.

Hi Mark, Minor correction as you misspelled and mispronounced "Ikegami" (correct spelling for the Japanese camera manufacturer of the ITC 730A . All Ikegami cameras displayed the spelling of "Ikegami" either on the front of the viewfinder or camera side panel(s). Throughout Ikegami's history beginning in the 1960's their cameras were one of the leading broadcast cameras used by many television networks, mobile truck facilities, studios , Mega Churches, and independent DPs etc. Countless high profile events such as the Olympics were photographed with Ikegami cameras. Ikegami tube and CCD cameras were highly sought after due to their distinctive color and skin tone reproduction as many late night talk and news programs used Ikegami exclusively. Myself having worked for many years with Ikegami CCD cameras I was able to create a "Filmic" look via the internal camera menus which allowed detailed "painting and look creation". The higher end Ikegami camera models used the prefix "HL" in the name which refers to "Handy Looky". The ITC series were the industrial lower cost models. In the 1980's Ikegami received an Emmy for the first Electronic Cinema Camera the EC-35. Ikegami cameras are still in use today as the company has a strong base in broadcast , sports, medical, live events, etc productions as well as offering HD, 4K and 8K cameras. For those who wish to learn more about the history of Ikegami cameras visit this webpage : www.ikegami.com/story-of-ikegami-usa Take care and remember "Old School is the New School". James

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Dang, must have referenced a document that spelled it incorrectly, that's for the annotation! Brilliant bit of history mate thanks for the additional info! The way those cameras light trail on bright sources is also very cool, i was looking on ebay for the production models the show used but nothing came up, they might have got them all lol. Used half of them for parts and had to baby them, very interesting story there. It's a great way to bring back the past in a visual sense and the authenticity. I loved that the Lakers production discovered through experimentation that they could use these cameras for more than just the gameplay stuff. That it worked very well in emotional scenes as well. Check out the series if you can, you'll spot 100% of the shots and it's fantastic.

@jamesoreilley2557

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze T The HL 79A to HL79EAL and older cameras were the tube versions which had the distinct light trail. Those were the first Ikegami's models I got my hand on back in the day. Some trivia for those who recall combining a handheld Ikegami camera (HL-95,55,57,59 etc) with the dockable Sony Betacam SP VTRs (BVV1 or BVV5). Such a marriage between the two brands was called an "IkeOny" . Sony called their two piece dockable camera vtr combinations 507,570,590 etc which referred to "5" the onboard recorder and 07 or 70 etc to the camera model. In any case the two piece dockable camcorder was a heavy combination (for that time period) weighing in at 25-35 lbs with the large 5 lb Anton Bauer battery brick on the back. The introduction of one piece camcorders such as the Sony BVW 200,300,400,600 and Ikegami HL V55,59 were about 5 to 10 lbs lighter with a smaller profile which made them the ideal choice for "Run and Gun" ENG (Electronic News Gathering) and EFP (Electronic Field Production) crews. The CBS news magazine show 48 HRS and FOX TV "Cops" programs would not have been easily possible had it not been for the single piece camcorders which allowed multiple crews to rapidly embed themselves into a breaking story. Such crews were the innovators of transmitting the audio wirelessly from the soundperson to wireless audio receiver(s) on the camcorder. Prior to that an umbilical audio cable connected the camera and sound person which was awkward to work with at times. The 1990 to Mid 2000's ENG style camcorders were the ideal handheld form factor for news and documentary genre productions compared to the new age "Frankenrig" digital cinema camera rigs. "Legacy camera gear never truly goes away as it will eventually be rediscovered by the next generation of aspiring filmmakers. " I will check out the Lakers series. Keep up the great work on your channel. James

Gracias

interesting take

Vintage cameras part 2 please 🤟

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Noted 😆 full credit

Just stumbled across this ! I only really film mtb stuff on a DVX100b or a HVX200E it’s my fav things to film on! Panasonic killed it with the camcorder game!

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

They really did! Still one of my fav cams I ever shot with

That's funny I used to have a DVX-100A back in the day. Although it's still not 25 years old so not technically vintage. But I get your point and agree.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

For sure, the video is more about the camera formats in general. The DVX has aged quite well though, what a great camera.

@Holtenstein

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Yeah I totally get it. You're just making me feel old lol

5:52 you need to squeeze the footage to appear right. For me, using miniDV while studying film, I definitly don't wanna go back to tapes and ingest and shitty interlace and pixel aspect ratio issues. But I see the young generation having a nostalgic feel for it and using it nicely.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

ya it's weird that's the ratio it was captured in, i just sized everything up to fit the 4k timeline. Film was always the goal back in the day, video sucked but I spent a LOT of time shooting video as a way to train for film. Basic composition rules still apply, but obviously exposure and workflow are VERY different. I do now reflect back on those days with fond memories and now we're 20+ years out from 2000, that format is starting to come around again because it signifies an era. I dont think anybody wants to go back to using tapes as capturing/shooting with them is a pain, but digital cinema never truly killed film as more filmmakers are going back to the medium than ever now to represent their stories. Video is having a similar (although to less extent) revolution.

@dorn_beats

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Thanks for the deep thoughts!

That dvx100 is 🤤

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Such a great camera!

Man i'm glad I started hoarding some of these, it's getting harder to find the cameras I want

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. What are some gems you’ve got?

Here's one thing about super 8 mm film that you might not like. You have to use contemporary scanning equipment as well for that retro look, as if you use modern 6.5k resolution film scanners it will look like it was filmed with modern equipment, minus the film grain. With 16 mm film it looks even higher definition and it can easily match 4K quality with low enough ISO film. But if you use some tube based scanner, it will look lower definition and more retro.

That is the reason I bought a Sony Hi8 camcorder (EVW-300) and still have a Sony Hi8 pro VTR.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant. I should have bought one when I saw them for cheap a few years after they kind of went out of style

@wkmpellucid

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze There is something endearing about the color that the camera creates.

Still got this camera from 2004.

I’d love to watch the series you made…what’s it called?

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Dark Side of the 90’s. MTV ep and Y2k

@SamuelRiveraFilms

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze thanks Mark! I’m gonna watch it this weekend.

6:47 isnt that fred's camera in icarly?

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

It's a lot of cameras, Rachael and Ross use it in Friends, it's in Austin Powers (when he's doing the model camera shoot) and also used a lot in Jackass. back then it was "the video camera" prop lol.

cool

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

😎

Fox Tail Wipze suggested me about you.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Welcome!!! ✊

Having used all those old formats they do produce a type of emotional feel that takes you back. However, it's also annoying that normal consumers never had decent recording means until we finally got S-VHS and Hi-8. VHS was a low res bleeding horrible format to have your priceless memories on but that is what we had. And before that it was Super-8 which was short and normally without audio. We finally got mini-DV and D-8 in the late 90s which was significantly better but still only 480i. Then we finally got 24p and 30p but still in 480. Then came HD so high res images could be captured and now UHD. How great it would have been to have these decades ago. Today we take for granted how easy it is to have a quality digital video camera - in our pocket no less - to capture lots of pics and video with no developing or playback deck needed.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

The progression was very slow for awhile there, remember when ZOOM range was like a big marketing push? 320x digital ZOOM...anything past x1 optical was crap. I remember trying to edit HDV on my system at the time it was early and my system didn't LIKE it lol.

@digitalmagicAR

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Oh yes I remember. ZOOM range was a big push and worthless due to being digital as you said. The later VHS cams actually had good low light ratings (1 lux, 2 lux) but the higher res Hi-8 cams were worse. HDV was a pain but at least was "better" than what we had before. I never liked min-dv much either. I wished they had used a larger tape like 8mm. Common people couldn't afford to shoot movies on 16 or 35mm film so we had to use what was available. I don't miss the analog aquisition or flying erase head linear post days. The world was better then but the equipment wasn't. File based aquisition in 4K is nice.

he's back! skipped the last one man, i don't do editing videos.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

nobody does...clearly ;)

I was trying to use my old Sony DV, and I used to hate it because back in the day I couldn’t upload it to KZread, unless I had expensive gear, so my first YouTubing device was an iPod touch

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Have you played with the touch lately? Man it's hard to imagine we even used those in a satisfying way.

I like the MTV style

just wanted to be a nerd and say the camera johnny knoxville is holding is actually a sony vx1000 :P nevertheless this was a great video to watch and made me want to dust off my dvx :)

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

FOR YEARS i thought it was, doing this video I was able to study the frames much closer and came to that realization as well, I was going to button this video with an annotation at the end, but I figured it wouldn't be worth the time given nobody is watching past the end much anyway. I also knew someone would come on and confirm what I very closely suspected lol. I have the XL1 as well and that camera is all over, and I did see the DVX in a few other Jackass shots, but yes...it IS the Sony and you're not a nerd, you're a purist I fully appreciate it to the max mate. I also shot loads with that camera and have the stills from the day to mock myself for getting this one wrong.

my favorite line at 7:17 ... I agree and I think its inevitable.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

✊

2006, Dumped my XL2 that I used on a A&E Doc about people helping people ( the Producer stole $2 Million from the $3 million budget and drove away ) Then bought a DVX100b.... then 6 months later the HVX 100 came out.. DOH!!!! I still have the DVX - Gunna transfer 20 years of MiniDV to SSD.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit the producer stole the money?!!? Wow!

Check out Chris Child's page - he shoots a bunch of vintage digital8, miniDV, and such: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKesmctsab2pnpc.html

Turn of the century: "Let´s take these video images and try to make them look cinematic and super high quality". 2022: "Forget the 4K digital cinema footage, let´s use this SD, 30 fps interlaced video instead!" hehehe.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

They call them Nostalgia goggles for a reason right? lol. It's like Vinyl in a high bitrate digital era...why? beacuse it reminds us of something. You're totally right though ;)

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze Exactly! (and I still have a lop of vinyl LPs!)

Good thing I never sold my Sony VX2100, or going back even further, my Sony MVC-5000 Mavica video still camera that I still use as a video camera.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Love those! So glad mine still work!

The xl1 is the look of the early 2000s.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Very much so!

Ah miss my XL1. Still have a small Panasonic and a pile of tapes i promise I'll digitise some day. Honest

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

😆 I do too! I hate I can’t log them, I need to look at a proper capture software that gives me the FCP 6 functionality

nice video BUT Knoxville - in that scene - held a VX2000

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

You’re right, I figured that out replaying this clip but figured I’d just leave it for you guys to correct me. You’re the third so far. I always thought it was but never had the chance to really watch that scene over and over to see the subtle differences. ✊

@mrmalkowski

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze yeah :) I started filming with VXs in the time of the early jackass / cky movies. Eagle eye on that haha

✨✨👏👏

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

Vx1000 4 life, baby.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

for LIFE!

in jackass 1 they used the SONY PD170 to record that scene not the Panasonic

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

I figured that out actually getting the video. I watched the movie lately and saw the XL1 and DVX was used in other scenes and assumed this was it. But then ya closer look def the Sony but figured I’d leave it and see how many others would notice. You’re the 4th ;) ✊

Vintage cant be assoiciated to digital era recordings using CCD or CMOS sensors, have been using an HVR-Z5e as a webcam for years now the HDV/DVCam era was a bridge period for those who were lacking in the funds to shoot 35mm or 16mm, though some people never left VHS like my grandfather and after capturing raw RF off the tapes and using VHS-Decode / HiFi decode analouge has a wonderful lacking of resolving power you can make out only so much of what fills a frame I think thats why the VHS look is not abbriations or tape errors but the horror of not making out the monster in the distance. One funny thing about analouge though compared to digital you have clean recorded to tape i.e via duplicator or camcorder and recorded on tape via composite etc inputs to a recorder there is a very big diffrance in the clairy of signal in both RF terms and visual once viewed on today displays an CRT not so much though. Side note edit: 8-35mm is really sharp if you have a good focus puller, the lacking look is mostly incorrect scanning normally 2:1 of the grain and R/G/B stacked per frame is the standard but some people run these though cheeper scanners that really do not do the filmstocks of the film era or the modern film era justice.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing wrong with the older formats, they are mainly just a lot more difficult to work with. The vintage video term is a wide net and most use it outside the 'technical' definition. I'm using it in a casual sense here where any tape format being "obsolete now" as being "vintage". Film is quite sharp and it's assumed anything put to print has been correctly focused. 35 mm especially because it's still used in films and has a wonderful texture that works well with cinema. 8mm can be scanned and uploaded, but smaller area compromises the "image quality" to some extent. Again most people who scan film can't justify the cost of expensive scanners. We won't have anything we shoot on 8mm film for broadcast/film outside of a very specific set of film transfer houses. Still the 8mm film image will looking nothing like a 35mm film image and that's okay, they each have their purpose and it's definitely not all about resolution or image clarity. Great comment though mate, thanks for stopping by!

@TheRealHarrypm

Жыл бұрын

​@@MarkHoltze I still shoot family events on HDV for idiot proofing with external recorders and normal APC-C and 35mm digital bodys setup here and there 32-float Zoom F2's tossed in every corrner, guess it makes sence to the current growing up genaration hell we now got ProRes HQ on phones. 8mm is still very good if shot well 35mm is still magical even today and 70mm IMAX is still a defacto but I would say its always the colour that gives the feel sadly seeing a genuine film projection is rare these days. 8mm scanning actully I went back though my docs, people made auto advacing scanners for DSLR/Mirrorless bodys to do 8mm at 2:1 ratio via 50-100mm Macro lenses then you CDNG the whole thing after image stacking its really decent now what people have done for automating it all for the price of a few 3D printed parts and a motor/shutter release trigger. Good to be here 😀

My station can't even use 4k footage, 720p or get out lol.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Most people haven't even seen TRUE HD (uncompressed) on their sets. There is a big topic behind this, but the push for 4k wasn't about the quality of the shows, everything is so compressed the 4k and even a lot of the HD stuff is lost.

why don't u deinterlace

@MarkHoltze

8 ай бұрын

Interlacing is part of the fun. ;)

The sad story of film making, particularly coming out of Hollywood, is that the packaging is fantastic but the content is woeful.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

There are some gems but it’s far and few between. Maybe just too many films coming out now? It’s not really a risk taker, never has been with the exception of a few rogues who dared to try something new and had the credentials to let those decisions be per the studio. Things are becoming too heavily relied on VFX which is straining the industry and nothing wrong with them, but strong human stories without all the Big Bang might be nice once and awhile.

1080 Hi-Def.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

720/480 St-Def ;)

Wall of Voodoo 😊

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

The voodoo who do what you don’t dare to people ;)

I'm going to sell my SONY 150 soon.

Trouble is, 16mm is SOOO expensive

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

It really is. It was the student film medium of that time tho.

Thanks for not talking like Nerdwriter

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Need to just spit this stuff out…lickity split without any jump cuts

I watched Blair Witch on the movie theatre at the time and I didn't liked it. To much forced footage. And over acting and over everything. When they filmed that I already have years of experience with analogue video and filming stuff and experimenting so that style wasn't nothing new to me and I went out of the movie thinking: What did I come here to do? Wasted time and money. Many years later I had the same feeling when I went to the movies to see Disney's Star Wars The Force Awakens.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I can relate. I was 19 Blair witch and just liked how it felt like something I could do at the time. It’s success is undeniable whether we liked it or not. Force Awakens is a completely different beast but I can’t help but feel that whole series missed the mark. I’m not a kid and understand it would never be able to hit as strong as the OT did.

The DVX is *VINTAGE* now?! I'm going to retire

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Weird right? Feels like just yesterday

That’s Deff not that jack ass camera. The camera in jack was a Sony pd 150. Crk. I’m just saying.

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

I realized that after I studied this clip, DVX100a is used quite a lot in that show, along with XL1 and the 150 and all those cameras i've used a lot as well. I was going to put in an annotation when i was editing it but i figured no one would be around to see it and also a personal test to see who would catch it and say something. You're the second so far, so good job! It's still the "jackass camera" because it was used, it just wasn't the one that got wrecked, but it most likely at the very least got vomited on! Thanks for your eyes mate, BOOM!

@ChristoferKraft

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkHoltze hahaha. Super rad. I only use a vx1000. Crk. Gotta love that sd 4:3 crunch.