I gave up a 6 figure middle management position and I will never go back. I choose happiness and peace over title and salary.

@Nuka_xander1999

2 ай бұрын

I did something similar, but now I'm paying the price.

@marioherrerajr5293

Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

@DT-5150

Ай бұрын

Did the same. Gave up the middle manager grind. Took a pay cut but have been way less stressed and now I only worry about doing my job, not making sure others are doing theirs.

@thejohnbeck

Ай бұрын

What are you guys doing now?

@marioherrerajr5293

Ай бұрын

@@thejohnbeck lead team member, not management.... Zero responsibility is just me and my coworkers.

Middle management is filled with overwork, stress and babysitting. Just be a regular employee or the CEO. Staying in between sucks.

I gave up my salaried middle manager job with high outlook, to get into trade work. Never been happier

Most managers don’t know how to do their employees daily tasks

@FrankS111

2 ай бұрын

BINGO! That’s the problem. I’ve been saying it for years. You CANNOT effectively lead and command respect from your team if you have no idea what their job is

@perotal

2 ай бұрын

They don't need to be able to do it, they should understand though.

@Moose185

2 ай бұрын

Spot on!

@TonyCox1351

2 ай бұрын

Nothing inherently wrong with that. If I’m managing 15 specialists, I sure as heck can’t do all their jobs.

@jenniferboyd6556

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, I have seen too many situations in which people who have fantastic skills get promoted to manage their departments. Managing people is a different skill set than that needed to do the actual job. People who are experts at the skills necessary to the job, who are also skilled in how to manage people, are rare. They are worth their weight in gold.

I was a manager but was doing exactly the same tasks as everyone else,basically another employee but with the stress and responsibilities and my team was not pulling the weight. Left after 10 years and best thing ever, happy,no stress,best quality of life

@parler8698

Ай бұрын

It took 10 years to leave?

@Joce123

Ай бұрын

There had to be a compelling reason the state for 10 years like finances or family.

@zachjones2346

Ай бұрын

@@Joce123 In my case I liked what I did too much so it took awhile for it to boil over for me.

@steveh5307

Ай бұрын

That's not a manager. That's a lead worker.

Totally understandable. I was a manager in my last role and decided to go into tech as an analyst and it was the best decision I ever made. Remote, high pay, less responsibility, etc. Never again. Managers get treated like dirt by leadership and the extra money doesn't offset the degraded quality of life and sacrifices.

@JKB-qp6sf

Ай бұрын

Congratulations on your new roles🎉. Question: What skills do you learn to need to be an analyst? I try to get to tech.

@MrNicks-gn8jc

Ай бұрын

​@@JKB-qp6sf4 Rules to pre-qualify for a tech role: 1. Get the HIGHEST CERTIFICATION for a tech stack and list on resume. 2. Do 10 Labs/Projects online involving key aspects of the new tech stack and list on resume. 3. Volunteer, if necessary, to a non-profit to do functions related to the new tech stack and list on resume. 4. Take A LOT of online courses related to your new tech stack and list on your resume. 5. Take that resume as a basis and APPLY , APPLY, APPLY, APPLY....

Middle managers aren't the only ones losing confidence in their employers. Low level staff and the customers also losing confidence in companies

I thought about quitting multiple times from my management position due to staffing issues. People wouldn't show up on the first day of being hired after going through the hiring process, new hires not showing up to work, endless drama, and critical thinking skills and social skill have gone out the window. I'll work with a small reliable crew for a longer period if it means there's no drama, and they agree with that.

I have a long history of successful Project Management. My Employer recently offered me a Management position in another Division. I declined because: I will not attempt to manage other people's children. I manage projects. Not people. People must manage themselves.

Shrinkflation is a bitch and it’s not just the chip bag. Inflation goes up, salaries do not, effort evaporates.

@MechE11B

Ай бұрын

Exactly, it's not that hard to understand. These fools will blame anything and everyone to avoid the obvious.

I'm so happy I made productive decisions about my finances that changed my life forever,hoping to retire next year.. Investment should always be on any creative man's heart for success in life

@waynes4369

Ай бұрын

You're right, with my current crpyto portfolio made from my investments with my personal financial advisor Stacey Macken , I totally agree with you

@raphfelimax2713

Ай бұрын

YES! that's exactly her name (Stacey Macken) I watched her interview on CNN News and so many people recommended highly about her and her trading skills, she's an expert and I'm just starting with her....From Brisbane Australia

@robertgreg6009

Ай бұрын

Truly, investing has changed my perspective on how one can succeed in life; working multiple jobs isn't the optimal way to attain financial freedom and unfortunately, we discover this later in life. Currently earn as much as 12 grand weekly and this has improved my financial life

@KamranKhalil-br6dk

Ай бұрын

This Woman has really change the life of many people from different countries and am a testimony of her trading platform .

@josehenry7205

Ай бұрын

Wow. I'm a bit perplexed seeing her been mentioned here also Didn't know she has been good to so many people too this is wonderful, I'm in my fifth trade with her and it has been super

Get a 6 figure salary without being management. Thats the key.

@KP99

Ай бұрын

But isn't being an individual contributor, front line employee usually more burnout in the long run, since you are always looked at as just a worker?

@Ryan-sw8rx

Ай бұрын

@@KP99 who cares if you’re looked at as just a worker?

@peterharrell7305

Ай бұрын

​@@KP99lol, it's literally a pay decrease when you factor in outside work hours. Our project managers and service managers take calls any time of day. They want you on salary because you'd be billing for 20 overtime hours every week. I go to work and leave. If I have to take an emergency call (fire protection), I'm paid well to do so. Management is the biggest scam in employment.

@thejohnbeck

Ай бұрын

​@@KP99 not for me. I only get criticized if I screw up. If someone tries to put blame on me that belongs to others, I call them on it right away. I have no problem eating my own humble pie.

@KP99

Ай бұрын

@@Ryan-sw8rx I guess it seems like the worker should care because front-line workers are just looked at as dime-a-dozen, expendable employees. You're the bottom of the totem pole. Maybe because I come from a sales background, it seems you're just running on a hamster wheel and not getting anywhere

Middle management is the first to go when CEO’s screw up.

I moved up fairly quickly in senior living to a management position at a large corporate assisted living ownership. I was super excited and gave it my all but shortly I was consumed by the job. Staff never showed up to their shifts, held management hostage for “bonuses” just to do their job, constant phone calls throughout the night until morning. It was brutal. I only lasted two months. The prestige of title and major increase in pay is not worth your happiness and life outside of work.

Don’t confuse middle management with your front line manager or supervisior. Know the difference.

@edhcb9359

2 ай бұрын

@@xxx0ox0 That is your perception. It’s really not though.

@xxx0ox0

2 ай бұрын

@@edhcb9359 depends where you're at man

@N1na2024

2 ай бұрын

Educate us then, please

@edhcb9359

2 ай бұрын

@@N1na2024 Well for you it’s simple. The general manager of the McDonalds that you work for is middle management. The shift leader you report to is front line management.

@xxx0ox0

2 ай бұрын

@@edhcb9359 you're right I perceived it how they wanted me to in those terms knowing better

I work at one of the largest manufacturers in the USA. Production employees have seen ridiculous 1.5%-2% pay raises at our company for the last dozen years. Last year included. Meanwhile, the CEO and upper management get 6%-30% pay raises plus stock bonuses for steering us through Covid. No wonder we are bleeding production staff like never before in our 100+ years.

@OneSmileAtATime.

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like Walmart. We just got a 30 cent raise and the salaried managers just got a huge bump! Our store director can make up to $300-$400k a year now, while I’m not able to pay all my bills without a second job. Thanks CEO!😊

@Eric_Bassett

Ай бұрын

@@OneSmileAtATime.go to Aldi or Costco. Walmarts the worst.. my first job out of highschool was at a Sam’s club.. i made it 3 months left and never returned to retail. Retail and fast food are 2 paths I tell people to avoid like the plague. But if you’re gonna do it, work for one that values paying its people well.

@caddyshack68

Ай бұрын

That’s capitalism baby. The rich get richer and the ones on the bottom get screwed.

@FinkleisEinhorn52

Ай бұрын

@@caddyshack68What economic system is that not the case?

@alvincyt

Ай бұрын

​@@OneSmileAtATime.If Walmart fire the CEO tomorrow, and give his salary to all other employees by evenly divide his income by the total number of employees, how much extra will each of you get per hour?

What I’m also seeing in the IT sector is specialist positions have gone up in salary and positions like team leads have not and they are expected to do the same work as a specialist and management. In the end, companies are taking advantage of people and expecting more with less and in the end it’s going to bite them

@GigaChad_169

2 ай бұрын

It's already biting them. All over the workforce people are just not motivated. They show up and then just do the bare minimum. From Chipotle to office jobs...there is no "can do" attitude, just deflection, feet dragging, carelessness, etc. It feels like people have given up.

My supervisor is retiring this summer. I will happily stay where I am for $3 less an hour not to deal with all the crap he does.

Go into management and be a babysitter managing adults who act like little kids. Nope! Would rather be a salesman Ken

@timmiller4935

2 ай бұрын

You hit the nail on the head. I started I quit my manager job for a sales position 3 years ago. Best thing I ever did, no more babysitting grown ass men. Now I control my own destiny and don’t have to deal with whiny babies anymore.

@zachjones2346

Ай бұрын

@@timmiller4935 Yeah it certainly feels that way!

I'm a manager currently at a major retailer. The pressure from higher-ups is extremely high and the faults in the building are always placed on management's shoulders. We get absolutely lambasted during corporate visits and get laundry lists of notes to complete and usually an unreasonably short period of time to complete them. If they aren't complete, it is expected we not leave the building until they are. Salaried doesn't get paid for OT hours, so they don't care how long it takes or if we had prior obligations. It is at least the general perception that we are expected to cancel the rest of our lives at a moments notice if they "need" us in the building.

I was asked several times why I wasn't getting into management. 1) I had zero desire to manage people. 2) I don't believe I had the right temperament to be a manager. I don't like slackers and liars. 3) I think they are underpaid and they have to put up with a lot of BS. I was happiest during my working years, when I was given a lot of work to accomplish and I hit the ground running every morning. And at the end of the day, I left it all there at the office. 4) I hated working for people who had no business managing anything.

I hate being a manager. Been doing it over 15 years and the staff under me have become so much more entitled. I am now just a babysitter. The people above me don't care because they don't see it as their problem. It is hard, but the money is better and I retire with a pension next year, so just trying to make it thru; but I would not recommend being a manager to anyone anymore. Can't wait to retire and just work part time and supervise no one!

"We will do more with less!" and managers wonder why quiet quitting became a thing. Personally, doing more with less has been going on for the last 24 years. I've heard managers recently state that 1x I.T. guy should be able to handle 800 servers. The never seem to read the rest of the report where the servers are defined as identically configured and less than 5 years old.

@thejohnbeck

Ай бұрын

FYI quiet quitting isn't new, only the term. Slackers have been around forever

I wish Ken was more anti-CEO & pro-employee. We should be encouraging workers to demand more from the people on the top.

@perotal

2 ай бұрын

Dave Ramsey signs his paycheques, he is not going to be anti-CEO

@DVW1983

2 ай бұрын

​@@perotalWhat do you plan to do without a CEO, stupid? Even if you work for yourself, you'd be the CEO.

@adamduarte895

Ай бұрын

That’s retarded, we should be pro-goodness, CEOs and employees are both people alike capable of great good and great evil. There’s nothing ontologically different between a CEO and an employee since they are both persons

@davidmercado2329

Ай бұрын

You should listen more to Warren buffet he is more anti CEO

@michaelcerean1990

Ай бұрын

It would be a disservice for him to just tell you what you want to hear.

I work retail, same store for over a decade. They wanted to move me up the ranks to corporate, within a year of being hired. They keep telling me, “You’ll make more money!” Apparently, that’s the only positive thing about moving up.

@RPisa2416

Ай бұрын

Yep same. Was a retail manager before my current position. Helped me get another job outside of retail but the only pro was the pay increase. Managers were exhausted picking up after others

A lot of middle management isn’t necessary. And companies are seeing that now after the pandemic surge.

I was a manager and after 10 months I voluntarily demoted my self back to my lower position. It's not worth it FOR ME. I hated waking up and going to work(never felt that way before). Now instead of worrying about just my responsibilities now I have to worry about everyone else. I don't want to be the boss. It's just me though.

@ladytee430

2 ай бұрын

This is my exact situation. I’m coming up on a year of being a manager and I want out. I dread work on a daily basis.

@tracybrovan3997

Ай бұрын

@@ladytee430 I feel for you. I had co workers tell me "dont go back" (to my former position) because they have this grand illusion you are "promoted to manager" so you are in a better place.....not really the position SUCKS (in my position). Once I came back I felt much better and more importantly HAPPIER. I just want to come to work, worry about myself and no one else and GO HOME.

Employers are terminating people in the last quarter to get bonuses for senior positions. They then rename positions and hire new people the next quarter.

The three best days of my life in the work force: (1) Getting out of the Army. (2) Giving up my management position after 17 years. (3) October 15, 2023, the day I retired from the rat race, age 60. I’ll probably return to work in some capacity (assuming I can get a job at my age LOL) but there’s no way in hell I’d accept a middle management position again. They don’t print enough money…

I can attest to this.

No one also wants to pay managers what theyre worth and also pay the necessary staff. No, they want to operate a business and not lift a finger at the same time not support the manager and not pay them or properly staff the business and then approach the manager with a stupid look on their face asking why the business is failing

I work in tech and don't know anyone that's had a raise in the last 3-4 years. I gave management a shot at a major cable tv provider. Got maybe a 5% increase in pay for about 10X the responsibility, and then was forced by upper management to downrate people during annual review time to make sure they never got more than a 2% raise. I'll never do it again. I went back to engineering and am much happier. These corporations are deranged.

Mid level manager here. This hit me to the core.

Generally the pay raise is negligible and the stress is higher. I can do my normal job and a side hustle, make just as much as my boss and have none of the stress.

Middle management is a means to top level, I work for large corporation and got promoted to mid-level management just about a year ago, planning my departure for a director level position elsewhere. Mid level management is a stepping stone, not a career.

Where? Where have wages gone up? How are companies having problems with rising expenses when they have to worry about record breaking profits?

Never once in my life I had a one on one or a yearly review. I know my current boss does the yearly review, and my raise depends on it. But neither discusses it nor delivers. Last year he gave me my "number" I scored on a sticky note. This year not even that. According to him, there is no need in any of that talking or one on ones since we see each other every day and talk anyway about work.

Preach

This is EXACTLY why I am retiring in 3 weeks. Even if you try and advocate for yourself and your team upper management will NOT listen.

What qualifies Ken to give advice on this other than what Dave has told him?

Im a middle manager at a small government entity. I cant terminate poor performing employees or terminate the credit account of people who put in writing that they refuse to pay us without asking 3 boomers or xers. I don't fight the machine, I just refuse to care more than my bosses.

I got laid off last week from CVS. Please pray for me

I actually just stepped down from management. Got tired of being employees and upper managements punching bag. All the extra hours and no pay because of salary. I make more when I stepped down.

I just put my notice of resignation in because it’s not worth it.

Worked in a union shop for many years as a manager. At 3:30 the union folks either went home or were paid time and a half for overtime. I was expected to stay extra hours for free. At the end of the year their W2’s were always more than mine. I liked my job and was respected by the union folks. Guess that’s why I stayed so long. For those looking at benefits - union folks always had better.

When I was a regular employee, I hated middle management and blamed everything on them. Now that I'm a middle manager, I realize just how little they control. You get to deal with all the petty, day-to-day stuff that upper management doesn't want to be bothered with, but when it comes to important decisions you still don't have much say. For us unskilled workers, middle management is our only shot at having a decent salary, so you learn not to care pretty quickly. Definitely miss the days when I didn't have to deal with everyone else's baggage and drama though. Btw, I think it's funny when I hear a worker complain that I have no idea what their job is like. I did their job for several YEARS before I became a manager, but they didn't start until after I was promoted and don't know that. It's almost like you have to "prove yourself" over and over to each new worker that you can do their job, before they believe you... while still finding time to also do your management work after they've clocked out and gone home, of course. Fuck that shit, bro!

I am a supervisor and I can tell you the issue is at management and director levels. They are all new to their jobs and they don't know what they are doing. They just make blind decisions and tell me to implement them. Meanwhile my cohorts can't keep their teams together because people keep quitting. I am looking for another job after being told I have to permanently absorb the work load of my incompetent cohorts (supervisors) who (1) do not know how to lead and (2) cannot solve problems. I was told I was getting their work because I am so good at my job. I told my director overwhelming with more work is not a compliment. My cohorts are making the same salary I am, but they are doing less work, because it was reassigned to me.

Maybe the best thing is to have a six figure non- management staff position. Just need to find what and where those positions are. Of course, with inflation, a six figure income gets you less and less nowadays.

Coleman is the Joel Osteen of job advice.

@thejohnbeck

Ай бұрын

You went straight for his neck on that one

Baloney wages have gone up “dramatically “. What is your source? BLS? I know my last two years have seen 3% raises. Is that the dramatic raise?

A lot of companies aren’t paying more - just the general 3-5% raise which doesn’t come close to inflation rate

The pay decrease from where i am to move into management isnt worth the higher workload and stress.

I gave up a regional mgmt position after only 1 month for peace of mind. It's not worth it!

Yeah I was one. I'm OK just as a regular individual contributor these days thanks - it's not worth it for an extra 15% a year - I pull x 5 that from my investments anyway - not worth the extra hours per week.

I Recently left management. It’s harder now because every role is technical now, there is no paper pushing to give low performers. Also people push back more and it’s more an employee market in terms of tasks….I don’t have people to delegate too and say “because I said so” which sounds good in theory but also means that if I just need a letter sent for example, I have to print it and go to fedex to send it out. That multiple times a week means you never get to core work. Then you can’t pay “adult” salaries because execs are stuck in the 2000s

@GigaChad_169

2 ай бұрын

So true. Employers seem to be stuck in the 1980's when $100,000 was extremely good money. Now it is just a bare minimum household income to live any semblance of a middle class lifestyle (own a home, have a car or two, maybe go on a vacation once a year, save for retirement and kids college). If you live in a major metro area then $100,00k wont cut it. The average home price in the USA is approaching $500,000! Even still, despite the salary guides put together by labor research firms and staffing firms showing market rate for certain fields exceeding $100,000...employers seem to be hung up crossing that threshold and keep pussyfooting around the 90K range in my field...the dollar lost over 20% of its value in 18 months recently...times have changed, get with it.

@CarnivoreStork

2 ай бұрын

I saw that at the company I worked for. Middle management including executive directors, expected to do their own (secy/administrative assistant) work, and their own job. It didn’t start out that way, but 20 years later, one person was doing the job of 3 people. Insane.

@istvanpraha

2 ай бұрын

@@GigaChad_169 I see this too. I code and math stuff all day at work but then if I do it for myself, they get mad! Yeah $100K GROSS is alot but it still gets taxed like it's upper middle class. And everything has gone up way higher than the inflation rate........almost like the official calculation is flawed

I would never be a unit manager. A lot more work for a little more money

Most managers give up and don’t care.

Yep

Only some people got a wage increase. Everyone got a cost of living increase.

The largest companies on the country just have not had to pay more, they keep cutting quality down to keep buying more stocks. It affects smaller business, and then everyone else. That excuse that their having to raise prices such because of wage increase is a lie. Rent going up 300% has nothing to do with wages.

It's one of many useless roles. Do you really need someone who does nothing all day long but figure out how to interrupt production with numerous useless meetings. To conduct one-on-ones and other silly 🤪 tasks that are no benefit to those actually doing the work. To do performance reviews which are not beneficial and a huge waste of everyone's time? The bigger question is why can't society move past traditions and things that simply are no longer necessary or useful? 😳😮

Id like to get a management job. But the shitty pay isnt worth the hardship and thanklessness that comes with it.

❤

Either the producers or the middle managers get stolen from, and now it's the middle managers.

You can't run the company eventually, without being a middle manager first. That's what I did.

I'm favoured, Getting my own Truck has always been my Dream for my business. I just acquired 2 recently, earning $32K weekly has been really helpful. I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support Charity Organizations. I really appreciate your videos

Wages haven't increaed "dramatically" outside ceos. Inflation has, and elites profits have. If you just repeat msm phrases like how everything is so great and perfect and best economy ever in history then why are reporting gen z dropping out and no one wanting to be managers anymore? Cuz everything is paradise? Or because maybe everything ISNT GREAT.

@darlinnikki9514

24 күн бұрын

In my company supervisors are bringing in doctor's notes stating they are stressed and need less workload. The note is to support the request of the supervisor to be demoted.

Having company weekly scrub meetings (like 25minutes) helps here.

I am a "middle manager". I've been since 2019, first year was a challenge. It's how you look at things. You need to control your emotions when things are rough and stop looking at the small issues but the bigger issues. Took a training on the kaizen and it has taught me wonders. Control your mental health before it controls you. That being said, 5am early gym session helps lol.

Yeah bc their jobs are literally the least important in any company.

@gmoney4458

Ай бұрын

Most companies keep middle management in place so the higher ups/executives don't have to deal with the actual people doing the work, all the crap that comes with babysitting them, and handling the day to day BS of operations. However, when companies have financial struggles middle managers are usually first to go ...speaking from experience here.

It's the second worst job, after being a police officer.

The world wants to be full of "Managers"...... The old saying is that talent does or they're the doers..... Those who can't ........they teach/manage.....

@DVW1983

2 ай бұрын

Try saying it in a more confusing way.

@kjkuta1

Ай бұрын

@@DVW1983 HA... Says a moron with "Magnificent" in his moniker.....

You couldnt pay me any type of money to manage a team of people. Project Management, yes, managing a team, absolutely not.

Corporations have record profits highest ever So it’s all good for the oligarchs

I caught the DEI jab. DEI means hiring more white women at every org i've worked at.

@motoryzen

Ай бұрын

It's been more black women in thE south USA

Not enough money to be a stupidvisor.

Too many followers no leaders!

how about those electric plug in vehicles ??? thats all done, another waste of billions.

doesn't take genius or 8 minutes of yapping to understand companies are trimming the fat. Nothing new.

Ken, youre out of touch. Just admit it. Nearly everyone in the comments, who actually lives this reality, disagrees with you and your pedestal.

DEI is good, don’t bastardize what it is

Gave up my six figure middle management job for a trade. We suffered for employees so bad we couldnt fire anyone and turned into an impossible work environment

@EmilGhiurau

2 ай бұрын

What trade did you take up? I'm at this point...

@xxx0ox0

2 ай бұрын

@@EmilGhiurau electrician because that's what I wanted to do before I convinced myself to go to college. Plumbing and welding are the highest demand in my area but most trades here seem possible

@thejohnbeck

Ай бұрын

So many companies don't realize that if you fired the bottom 1% every now and then, the good workers would appreciate it. Some are so bad that if you paid them to do nothing, it would better than having them mess things up

normal employee got too much pay

@eegernades

Ай бұрын

Not the issue. The issue, is managers don't get paid enough.

Companies place DEI over good management and good employee hiring.