Im a really high xp arms warrior, the balance was really strong in legion and wod. Like right now arena has a micro stun meta due to the pve catering, Then blizzard wonders why people dont want to que arena.

I had an amazing time for 4 or 5 years with PvP in Elder Scrolls Online, the entire PvE side of that game didn't interest me at all. I had a small scale group of ~8 very good players, and a massive guild which we used to coordinate server wide tactical/strategical movements. We also did GuildvGuild fights and smaller "pitched battles", but we had to set those up ourselves. There was no duelling or Battle Arena then. I can understand why people have had bad experiences with PvP but I think that's largely solo players who want to experience single player content in a world where you occasionally run into other players to make it seem more lively. That's not an MMO to me. I can go into why ESO PvP came undone. Part of it was what was mentioned at the start of the video - they had no seperate PvE/PvP balancing and PvP players didn't spend half as much as PvE players. But there's a lot more to it.

Haven't watched the video fully but I believe its on World of Warcraft but osrs has some pretty good pvp :3

@0slik

24 күн бұрын

feels like they only speak about WOW when they say MMOs... for example guild wars 1 had max stats so gear wasnt even a question... also the skills adapted to the mode youre playing etc. this whole video is just some whining

I haven't gotten to the really high levels of pvp ranks in many expansions, but I wholeheartedly agree with the second guys answer on wow pvp and gearing. I hate the idea of leveling the whole playing field in wow pvp. I view it as micro and macro play in pvp. Gearing is part of the game and good gearing should be rewarded. It's like playing MTG, where deck building is central. With that said, there are things that can be done to not make the difference too high. The first guys (and many streamers who, for the record, don't represent the general gamer's experience at all) take sounds like counter to the MMO ethos in general, and sound more like a apex/warzone player wanting to play MMO pvp on his terms.

@lewi142

17 күн бұрын

This is wows problem though, having unbalanced advantages due to gear in a competitive arena environment should absolutely be removed. Battlegrounds and world PvP is fine but gear in an arena match should be gone by now. If you want to have an advantage over other players due to gear then go play PVE. No PvP game will thrive from an unfair advantage and to believe that it does is beyond a disconnected mentality.

Pvp in MMOs is dumb. The only game that does it right is Runescape. There is a reason to do it but it is risky and RNG heavy.

Been glad in burning crusade , MoP , cata , and Shadowlands . . . I watch AWC or pika play and even I cannot tell at all what the absolute heck is going on . . It’s terrible . I haven’t even played dragonlands . . Its just not even fun or playable anymore . And it stopped being enjoyable around MoP . . It’s way too bulky forgetting the added fact now the game is completely focused on M+ and raiding . PvP is just absolutely not a thing to the devs . They do not care . At all .

Clicked for the title, commented because I've hit high warlord four times. Modern WoW is trashy.

All pvp sucks online as its all full of 24 seven players and cheaters. 90% of players don't play mmo's for pvp as well.

"if you want a fair advantage then go play league" This does not help or solve anything for our game, what an absolute dumb comment. Gear is a problem and should be removed in arena.

1. clearly a skill issue... the only thing you have to do is GIT GUD 2. did you even play guild wars? there are max stats for gear and skills are different in PVE and PVP so no one can beat you "because of better gear" or "because the skills are made for PVE" and most importantly... why is youtube showing me this vid? did they think im kinda interested in wasting my time on a forced content...?

@aidanproy1484

23 күн бұрын

Pvp in almost all mmo’s is a joke, and dead. MMO’s are almost all designed around the pve content. So because the game was never built around pvp it will always be sub par. Cry me a river in your niche mmo pvp scene with a total of 20 dudes rotating lobbies with eachother bc nobody else plays the damn game.

@0slik

20 күн бұрын

@@aidanproy1484 what MMORPG have you played both pve and pvp?

PVP just doesn't belong in mmorpgs... it's a waste of development resrouces. any argument pro pvp for mmos is just delusional and cope

@jesperburns

24 күн бұрын

I had an amazing time for 4 or 5 years with PvP in Elder Scrolls Online, the entire PvE side of that game didn't interest me at all. I had a small scale group of ~8 very good players, and a massive guild which we used to coordinate server wide tactical/strategical movements. We also did GuildvGuild fights and smaller "pitched battles", but we had to set those up ourselves. There was no duelling or Battle Arena then. I can understand why people have had bad experiences with PvP but I think that's largely solo/duo players who want to experience single player content in a world where you occasionally run into other players to make it seem more lively. That's not an MMO to me. I can go into why ESO PvP came undone. Part of it was what was mentioned at the start of the video - they had no seperate PvE/PvP balancing and PvP players didn't spend half as much as PvE players. But there's a lot more to it.

@Ceisri

24 күн бұрын

@@jesperburns sounds like you wasted your time playing an mmo for pvp when would have had more fun in a game made for pvp. It's like saying it's ok to eat soup with a fork because you had fun eating soup with a fork.

@jesperburns

24 күн бұрын

@@Ceisri I have played fps games nearly professionally (getting "paid" in mice, mats and headsets) and was top 4% in a moba. Never had as much fun as I had with MMO PvP. Largely because of the community aspect, fighting against another organised common enemy, syncing builds, etc. You can't get that with any other pvp game. But it seems like you've made up your mind and are just reading what you want to read. I was open to having a conversation.

@Ceisri

23 күн бұрын

@@jesperburns "you can't get that with any other game" yes you can, and no one plays those games, because if you are a normal human being, pvp and mmo mechanics just aren't compatible with fun. All the game's that tried to make it big in MMO pvp died for a reason...unless Albion but seriously that's just RuneScape with donkeys.

@jesperburns

23 күн бұрын

@@Ceisri Why aren't large scale battles, capturing castles/outposts and non-match made 8vXs compatible with mmo mechanics/fun? _"All the game's that tried to make it big in MMO pvp died for a reason"_ Reasons that differ per game. I agree that forcing PvP on PvE players is a path to failure, more so if combined with full loot. ESO in the EU alone, had 9 1500 player servers on launch and they all crashed regularly due to overpopulation. Server performance and lack of new content made PvP "fail". And balancing. And no, if nobody plays those games I can't get it with those games, because for what we did for 5 years we need lots of players.

I believe gear should be removed from PVP and stat points should be able to be distributed freely in an additional talent section. Theres a barrier of entry with leveling up and just learng pvp in general, so the additional barrier of gear should be removed. Not to mention the fact that the grind for gear is awful when you're just being one shot. I know so many people who play a few arena skirmish and battlegrounds in an attempt to get gear and give up immediately. Stop this absolute backward concept.