That is true, I picked BM for pve out of nostalgia from Molten days and I was lucky enough that my guild leader allows me to raid as long as there is another hunt and 2 rogues. Go with MM if you want to maximize damage and MD.

nice vid XD

(Edited for clarity) So, as a long time hunter main - I disagree with a bit of your analysis. If you're the only hunter, then either BM or MM can benefit your raid. Ferocious Inspiration is a much bigger gain than TruShot Aura assuming you're not melee heavy. If your raid DPS composition is 60%+ melee, then yeah go MM. Otherwise if it's a good split, go BM for Ferocious Inspiration. It's just more beneficial to the raid as a whole. Ferocious Inspiration increases damage of everybody, including spell damage, in the raid for 3% instead of only benefiting the AP of melee users from the MM tree - it's free damage for everybody, and is huge in long fights. Optimally, you'd run both a MM and a BM for both raid wide auras. Survival is good in niche circumstances, but I generally only use it if I know I'm going to be doing more AoE than single. If the hunter has a good pet and is talented correctly, then misdirect is still going to help pretty well in your opening burst with Kill Command and Beastial Wrath, and the sustain of BM is comparable to MM. Survival can bounce and isn't the best on single target encounters. Both MM and BM are going to have huge burst and stay at the top for the first couple minutes of a pull, but then will (should) sustain somewhere in the middle of the meters because of having to use Aspect of the Viper every so often to regain mana. I would also say another benefit of BM over MM is uptime. As a MM, if you're in a fight that requires a lot of movement, you will be lower than a BM on average. I feel like your analysis was based of bad players tbh.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

BM 3% dmg increase doesn't stack with retribution 3% dmg increase, MD will A L W A Y S BE WEAKER!!! PET DMG DOES N O T GET MD'D!!!! BM will NOT stay on top of DPS, and that isn't because they have to swap into viper, it is because their damage sucks. MM > BM on every single freaking encounter. I''ve seen good players play BM and i've seen them do worse then they would do on MM. You are wrong about everything you said mate, BM is garbo tier spec.

@atheosathonille130

Жыл бұрын

@@AwbeeX57 First, TruShot Aura - unless it has been changed - does not stack with Shaman's Unleashed Rage or blood death knights' Abomination's Might. Secondly, I disagree mostly on the stance that most players and most guilds do not care to min/max 12 year old content. BM is still viable. If you are someone that believes that 12 year old content needs to be min/maxed for the most efficient and fast clear with orange parsers, then yeah go MM hands down. But exclaiming that a particular DPS spec just cannot be used at all is incorrect. A half decent player that is willing to spend 5 minutes to make sure they are talented correctly will sustain on meters well enough to be efficient. I was in the top 10% parsers between '07ish and '12ish which is when I would have min/maxd (I was a tank main at the time), and since have on and off stayed with the same group of guys casually raiding up to heroic not using meta play style. I guess it's just a different generation. You do not need to play what is "meta" to clear the content. In very rare circumstances was something completely unviable. BM in WOTLK doesn't match that description. It will be viable in the median player range, which is where the majority of players are, though in the same breath I would always recommend players becoming familiar with all theirs specs. I just wouldn't say it's "garbo tier spec". Seems a bit hyperbolic.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

@@atheosathonille130 the amount of words i just had to read that said MM is good BM is worse but im okay with nerfing my raid by playing a spec cause im an egomaniac is hyperbolic :D

@atheosathonille130

Жыл бұрын

​@@AwbeeX57 But you ignored the fact that TruShot aura is also overridden by other auras, so is many times not even specc'd into unless communicated it's necessary - so your main argument between the auras is moot. And if your tank sucks to the point that he NEEDS misdirect, then you need a new tank more than you'll need a new hunter. Misdirect is usually needed in big aoe scenarios, but most guilds that are going to min/max won't be using a warrior tank anyways. DKs and Paladins should have no problem with sustaining threat. If the boss dies, and you did the mechanics with acceptable damage, then congratulations, you helped the raid, which is what 90% of guilds care about. At this point you're sounding like an egomaniac. It's 12 year old content, zoomer. Calm down. It's not that serious.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

@@atheosathonille130 Ye MD bad BM good XDDDD

Now when season 3 Frostmourne is coming, would you say that survival be better than mm to play at the beginning cus you wont have all the pen from gear yet?

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

yes survival is better early on PS: yes im late

Aged like milk😂

@AwbeeX57

9 ай бұрын

Milk spoils meaning its bad, are you saying that in Classic MM is not the most viable spec?

@viggogyllentryffel3514

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. Check warcraft logs if you dont believe me. SV beat the dogshit out of MM.@@AwbeeX57

can u do a video about blood dk dps cuz i have seen some dudes doing crazy dmg even outdpsing fire mages and fury warrs

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

If I ever make a video about it, it won't be very positive, but yh its all people seem to care about so maybe I will make a video about it.

10% attack power should be provided by a shaman or a death knight, hunters should never take trueshot aura in a raid.

1:16 Missing 10% Ap with Dk tank? and encha sham?

@SwatcarbonGaming

2 жыл бұрын

And all paladin blessings ? and all druids buffs? No. He simply is using an addon that hides buffs that he have no reason to look at. His first "buff" icon is the addon Compact Buffs, with a number on it that shows how many buffs are hidden.

@bekonnoelo3252

2 жыл бұрын

@@SwatcarbonGaming im not talking about it

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

Well, in that situation we had no DK tank or Enha shaman, the leader probably figured "eh i got two hunters lul"

Just to avoid confusion MM is better MID LATE GAME as we can see in a TOC VOD but at NAXX SV scales better early then is going low compared to MM but you need a SV always in raid no matter the phase.

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

Survival does scale better early :) Why would you always need a sv hunter in your raid?

@lvsoad22

2 жыл бұрын

This is tbc anymore, they bring no unique buffs no other specs bring. That being said, they could potentially fill it if you have nothing else. And yeah first two raid tiers they are really damn good ranged dps. By late toc MM just starts to surpass it enough to where it’s rarely worth staying survival.

Feign Death... to answer your initial question.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

Literally rewatched the vid 3 times i still don't understand where you commented on :D, FD wasn't really the point of the video though

what u think about early wotlk phases till Ulduar? ive heard that survival is better than mm till we get geared and ARP

@Chronyk-uz8so

2 жыл бұрын

It usually is because arp bypasses armor, which reduces physical damage, and marks is almost all physical. Survival is more magic dmg which naturally bypasses armor so it scales better early. That said the utility marks brings still makes them good. Can't replace trueshot or double MD

@Bepples

Жыл бұрын

@@Chronyk-uz8so According to current theorycrafting both specs have a relatively similar dependence on armour penetration. They both have the same amount of physical abilities and spell damage abilities. The difference is Chimera Shot scales with weapon damage while Explosive Shot does not. This means MM scales much more steeply with weapon damage thus pulling ahead in later tiers. While Trueshot and double MD are nice, you can in fact replace Trueshot because Death Knights can offer the same attack power buff and it doesn't stack.

Ooooook damit, u make ur point I'll change now😂😂😂😂

Do a dual wield Unholy dk video pls , its BONKERS not even lying.

@XxLyrokxX98

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtemMalian kek

is it worth to do a dual spec on hunter ?

@AwbeeX57

9 ай бұрын

Probably better to get some PVP or something niche that'll help you solo stuff (maybe BM? I never grinded achieves with a hunt :P) you could also choose for survival and learn that in RS25HC keep in mind MM has a stronger MD and if your guild needs that on big ember then well, thats that u going MM :P

mm hutner is ONLY good if you HAVE ARP gear thats why they all say go mm LATE in wrath in icc because more ARP gear is available.its MUCH easier to stack spell pen on survival hunter then wait for that ARP gear. i like bm hutner tho you dont need ARP gear you just stack agility,attack power and crit.my 2 picks are bm or survival.

@Bepples

Жыл бұрын

MM is still pretty good right now in P1. Also BM and SV also gain quite a bit from armour penetration. P.S. What on earth are you talking about with stacking spell penetration as a Survival Hunter? You really, really don't want to be doing that.

Because of borrowed power (armor pen) bm naturally got nerfed hard. so i would say if there was no armor pen Survival would probably be meta. like in cata :P

@maldlions5313

2 жыл бұрын

Surv still can deal kind of good damage, no?

@asambi69

2 жыл бұрын

Surv afaik is the better spec, Until you get armour pen from T9 and ICC.

@hvdiv17

Жыл бұрын

bm doesnt need arp their pet doesnt benefit from arp at all its a stat for you only bm hunters stack agility attack power and crit.

@AwbeeX57 lol, after watching a couple of your hunter videos I can see why you would think good hunters can't make the top 5 on dps consistently.

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

You did also watch other peoples hunters DPS from my perspective I hope? Lots of endgame guild PoVs to pick from :P

im gonna miss tbc so much

@maldlions5313

2 жыл бұрын

true, best expansion that existed.

@joshw3719

2 жыл бұрын

Lol wut

But seriously you would think on these private servers they would have freaking a fixed these things and give each spec what it would need to even out

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

Thats the opposite of what Warmane is trying to do, there are other private servers that have custom balancing and even custom raids/dungeons although I am not very familiar with them.

@Perry2186

2 жыл бұрын

@@AwbeeX57 like i have Ideas one being for SV to use rogue poisons on the ranged weapon or add Exotic Munitions to the game, another would be lower the CD of black arrow to the same as its duration for more up time or, remove the shared CD of traps with black arrow so we could use both

@Chronyk-uz8so

2 жыл бұрын

@@Perry2186 but again, warmane is about being a blizzlike experience, not a fun server. Your "changes" are not in original wotlk so they won't be in warmane.

Lol BM hunter is doing more dps than MM in ph2 week 1 haha, look at the statistics in Warcraft logs for ULD

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

Quote me please, doubt I said it in those words.

Try to have blood dk for buff LOL I play Survival and ofc because mm is bored as fuck. Not to mention mana issues , But I need to say one thing. No matter how much some spec is boosted it still depends of player do he or she press buttons xDDD

blames BM cuz of misdirrect... oh boy these private server experts...

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

Not blaming, just stating the facts. Not sure if you realized what I ment because you probably didn't finish the video. TL:DR for people with a less then phenomenal retention span: BM bad cause low MD.

the gatekeeping is why people leave this game

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын

Which gatekeeping is that? :p

Give me a break - survival can out dps a marksman hunter. Marks requires you do stand still a lot more has way less aoe and is boring beyond belief. Survival is way higher on the dps charts and can play mechanics much easier. Oh and I see survival hunters as top damage all the time. They are completely broken dps wise. Why not take more than 2? They can put dps a lock and a frost Dk and other high performing classes/specs if played right. The entire reason I’m playing wrath is to re-experience the broke oh fun class of survival hunter before blizzard gutted the spec.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

Marks requires you do stand still a lot more ...... You didn't even play Survival did you? :D the rest of the comment is either made in Phase 1 (tru, Surv does hang well in Ph1) or just with way too much personal bias. MM > Survival all day err day.

@Kallipolis7

Жыл бұрын

@@AwbeeX57 fair enough and yes I played it since vanilla 2004 until they gutted the spec in retail. But hey if you think that marks will do better later on then I’ll try it out but I’m not playing a spec just because of misdirect. My point is you made it sound like misdirect is a hunters only use when I know for a fact they are S Tier for DPS.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

@@Kallipolis7 They are a S tier DPS because of the MD, remove MD and you'd have NO REASON to invite a hunter. Mages and Warlocks do more Rdps. I've been playing on 3.3.5 for more then 10 years and i know marks will outperform survival, i've tried fighting that fact cause i do enjoy playing survival. Also i'm not trying to force you to play MM, if you wanna play survival thats fine, especially till ToC (MM Arp cap is easy to obtain there)

@Kallipolis7

Жыл бұрын

@@AwbeeX57 fair enough I’ll try it. I admit I don’t have a lot of experience with Marks. Having said that I see Hunters doing top raid dps all the time. And in original wotlk my Hunter would be top dps on many fights in ICC. And yes I was in a tryhard guild.

@AwbeeX57

Жыл бұрын

@@Kallipolis7 GL King! :D

No shit nub 😂

@AwbeeX57

2 жыл бұрын