"Perhaps imagining a fair fight is to honor them as life did not." Damn... Bro, that is deep. I love how Kratos' understanding of how Valhalla works. It truly manifests the deepest parts of the person which they themselves don't know about. This DLC seriously feels very personal for Kratos. Like... VERY.

@Joel-cc6hx

6 ай бұрын

put another way, this interpretation of valhalla is basically free magical therapy. if it were real in today's world there'd be a queue outside the gates (and i'd be in it) 😂😂 or on a more serious note, could also be seen as a analogue for certain psychedelics: powerful therapeutic tools for achieving deep and lasting self-knowledge, but at the risk of grave psychological/physical harm if not tempered by an experienced guide (i.e. Tyr)

@ssk58607

6 ай бұрын

Naah lol i dont think people would be happy to literally fight their demons. Kratos himself says he is not ready seeing his younger self the first time. Imagine people that cheated, abused others etc having to repeatedly see their actions in 3rd person again and again. It would probably cause even more trauma​@@Joel-cc6hx

@salamander8055

6 ай бұрын

​​@@ssk58607That's the thing, everyone has their own Valhalla not all of them will be a physical fight (Mimir). It also helps prepare you to face those demons.

@Joel-cc6hx

6 ай бұрын

@@ssk58607 you make a good point, and i think the experience of everyone who's encountered valhalla (Kratos, Tyr, even the Valkyries who guard it) makes clear that it is as terrifying and potentially fatal an experience as it is clarifying and affirming. Kratos was only ready to face some his old "demons" again after it was long behind him, and even then it was no mean feat even for someone as resilient and stoic as him. and i believe it's the same with any kind of therapeutic practice or journey of self-discovery: it hurts. it hurts bad. and if you don't do it right it'll break you. but if you're ready, when you're ready, and if you're fortunate enough to be guided and supported and loved, it can make you a whole different person.

@CrniWuk

5 ай бұрын

I wonder how much Valhalla would charge for its Therapy sessions though.

If only we got this quality of writing in Hollywood... Absolutely amazing.

@beegest_yoshi

6 ай бұрын

Yeah but games span for many hours unlike films

@petervelocity6892

6 ай бұрын

Or like everyone the requires writing like movies and some modern warfare games

@Emma_2Banks

6 ай бұрын

I see no difference

@Littleknockoutkidmac

6 ай бұрын

Video games are the future of narrative

@ajward9112

6 ай бұрын

There will be. I’m an aspiring author/writer and I know if I had the chance to write the story and screenplay for a movie, I would.

Well the only reason Kratos killed Magni is to ensure that Atreus wouldn’t get killed by Modi due to Atreus’ lack of emotional control while Atreus was the one who killed Modi. I understand Kratos here but he did the right thing.

@salamander8055

6 ай бұрын

He did say it's also mostly pity. He heard their stories and feel for them.

@dwarfminerwillie

5 ай бұрын

Remember how Thrud tells Atreus that "were better off without him" Modi was such a piece of shit that Thrud is able to forgive Atreus for murdering her brother so quickly, granted she says so with a slight hint of sadness but yeah. Part of the implication with Modi is that he is either a sadist who likes hurting kids or a straight up pedo based on him asking Magni if "he can have the kid" once they beat Kratos.

@guppetto

4 ай бұрын

He didn't have to kill them. He was way stronger than them. He could have spared them.

@Joemamamatewithjesus

4 ай бұрын

​@@guppettono

@mcmewsen

4 ай бұрын

​@guppetto To be fair, Kratos did choose to spare Modi when Modi decided to run. Modi ran twice, both times Kratos let him go. And Modi got beaten near to death by his father. I doubt Magni would've accepted any mercy. It doesn't seem like failure or surrender is the Aesir way.

Kratos fr just said : “Their lives sucked but at least I gave them the faith of a 1v1”

Fun Fact: In the original Norse mythology, Magni and Modi were going to survive the events of Ragnarök.

@cyberrunner6529

6 ай бұрын

And Baldur too he would have returned to life after ragnarok

@brandonparson8821

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. And Ragnarok wasn't supposed to happen for another couple hundred years according to Mimir, but Kratos sped things up.

@SiestaMyWaifu

6 ай бұрын

Technically In A Weird Way,Both Of Them Survived Ragnarok By Dying Before Ragnarok Eventually Happens So I Guess The Prophecy About Them Surviving Did Come Out To Be True Here (But In A Brutal Way) 💀

@ramjiwt8

6 ай бұрын

And would be the bearers of Mjolnir too.

@stomyn

6 ай бұрын

Probably why Modi freaked out the way he did when Magni died. Like Odin, they probably saw the prophesy as absolute and thus probably saw themselves as virtually invincible because of it. For one of them to die, well, that simply wasn't supposed to happen

The entire dlc is just therapy for Kratos and it’s great

@cyberrunner6529

6 ай бұрын

Tyr god of war and a outrageously good therapist

@flowers1564

6 ай бұрын

@@cyberrunner6529 tyr "god of therapist"

Odin sent them to death,not their uncle. Magni explicitly said "Surrender.The All Father demands it" Baldur didn't make plans

@-Nightingale

6 ай бұрын

Yes, but they were traveling with Baldur, when Thamur's hammer fell it was probably Baldur's order to investigate it.

@Calekoflight

6 ай бұрын

Saying "The All Father demands it" is basically any knight saying in the name of their king or lord. Their authority stems from him.

@hazzabrooksy4089

6 ай бұрын

@@Calekoflighttrue

@swivelshivel6576

6 ай бұрын

Baldur: “Your Grandpa says to go kill that fuck.” Magni + Modi: “Aight”

@bphater31

6 ай бұрын

True.... But they follow Baldur in the field so they follow his orders where to search. As Odin said "Baldur was my best tracker" and his nephews follow him.

“Failed by their father, sent to die by their Uncle, and belittled in death by their grandfather. What chance did they ever have?” God, hearing it from Kratos really makes you realize how unfortunate Magni and Modi were.

He truly loves his son, not wanting to continue the cycle. In more ways that one tbf

It shocks me that even for a rogue-like DLC; Santa Monica can still write such amazing detail for these characters and how they feel. It's a great closure for Ragnarok. Kratos being the God of Hope, can now bring it to other lands.

"They are no longer children. They have no excuse."-Kratos

@wiredhubworld9523

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, he said that before he found out about their background. Now knowing that they were raised by a pair of drunks and their grandfather didn't really care for them, he feels bad now. They died because they wanted their family's respect and approval.

@MariusBoss11458

6 ай бұрын

That was back when he didn't face Thor. I think something changed.

@nkosiburke6502

6 ай бұрын

He aint excusing them ....just pitying em

@Kjf365

5 ай бұрын

You can have no excuse for your actions while also acknowledging that you never got a chance to be different.

@captainrev4959

5 ай бұрын

They have no excuse. that doesn’t mean they’re not deserving of pity. Someone can only control you as much as you let them, but that doesn’t mean that it’s the fault of the person being controlled.

I didn’t think much about Magni and Modi but when Kratos puts it like that, it’s incredibly saddening and adds a lot of depth to their characters. Also liked how Santa Monica basically explained why Kratos didn’t raise Atreus as hardcore as we (or maybe just I) thought he would.

@CrniWuk

5 ай бұрын

Kratos also says they are adults and make their own choices and their own mistakes too. It's a doubled edge sword I guess. Having empathy is a good thing. But does not absolve one from their own responsibility. In the end everyone has to carry their own consquences. Which they did.

@anthonym9977

5 ай бұрын

"We must be better"

@elseggs6504

5 ай бұрын

Laufey wouldve torn him apart if he tried lol

@sbcs2809

Ай бұрын

​@@elseggs6504 what she gonna do?, come up from the ground to haunt him??😂

This scene explains why Kratos still has lingering memories of Thor's sons. Not so much as to why he killed them.

@BitrateBilly

6 ай бұрын

he killed them because they attacked him, its as simple as that.

@ProfX501

6 ай бұрын

The title of the video more likely means ‘why he KILLS Magni and Modi’, i.e. why he manifests them as enemies in Valhalla.

@captainrev4959

5 ай бұрын

The reason he killed them is simple they attacked him. There was no deeper meaning there.

So basically fighting them 1v1 is a way of kratos mind honoring them in a fair fight since when they both fought kratos they fought him 2v1. Atreus doesn’t count because he was weak as shit at that time and couldn’t even do anything to modi in cutscenes as seen when midi easily swatted him away when modi sneak attacked kratos after magni died so kratos was fighting them on his own. Since kratos saw them as what Atreus would’ve been if he stayed a dead beat dad like Zeus he kinda felt pity for them.

@MetalOverlord01

5 ай бұрын

Magnifique and Modi reunited didn’t stand a chance in front of Kratos. Fighting 1v1 is just an honorable death that is waiting for us.

God Of War Ragnarok: Valhalla surely involves the audience by some meaningful conversations that one must have with self

I take it that Kratos was still a slightly rash and impulsive individual in God of War 2018, fearless with somewhat still selfish tendencies despite him having considerably mellowed out. Hence my surprise at his sudden guilt for Magni and Modi’s fate. Yeah, Kratos does express remorse for Modi’s death because he had a similar experience with Zeus, his own father, but never expressed remorse for Magni’s death. I suppose that upon reflection and seeing how it affected their father despite his negative treatment of his sons, and Odin’s disgusting belittlement of his grandchildren, gave him a new perspective, a reflection that they really were locked in a vicious cycle of violence, which they now had no hope of leaving. Kratos is eternally grateful that Atreus did not had to go through this, but is sad that Thor’s children didn’t have a choice. It’s clear that he sees a lot of himself in Thor.

@d.ml.g9902

6 ай бұрын

Precisely. This little bit of dialogue also ties a bit into the main game and now we understand more why Sif was so adamant to educate Thrud and really getting her away from Odin. We know that dying in battle is an honor in Norse Myth but I believe that Sif took it hard when both her sons died and she couldnt handle another child dying over nothing for a man (odin) who is the most manipulative and egotistical god there is. Maybe Thor, Magni and Modi didnt escape that cycle but Thrud is the living proof that it was possible and that is beautiful.

Magni and Modi, sons of Thor, the original Ragnarok prophecy stated that they would be among the survivors to help the world rebuild, but in this game, they died before the Fimblewinter

@maxwellte-scott4436

6 ай бұрын

Baldur in mythology returns from death and joins them too.

As someone who have grown with all the GOW entries, it is still strange yet awesome seeing how Kratos has evolved.

Ngl, I don't really like the idea that Kratos regrets killing Magni, Modi, and Helios, but he doesn't regret killing Hercules. Kratos literally tries talking Hercules down right before their fight because he didn't want to fight his brother, something that he never did with those three.

@adrielortega7352

6 ай бұрын

Still, the difference is that Hercules was a dangerous individual (not because of his strenght, but because of his personality attached to a demigod body, a Kratos 2.0 who would kill Kratos to be the new god of war), killing him was better for the world (unlike Helios, who was only fighting to save his home by any means (even decieving Kratos), and also that Helios saved him and he knew the dark consequences of killing the sun god) For Magni and Modi, he only felt pity.

@The-Deadite

6 ай бұрын

In myth Hercules killed his family by mistake too, i always imagined Kratos had sympathy for Herc to a point....

@innocuousalias6632

6 ай бұрын

Don't confuse pitying them with Kratos not killing them if he had a do over. The battle lines were clearly drawn and they were all committed to killing Kratos including Helios who had been corrupted by Pandoras box at the time.

@justnoob8141

6 ай бұрын

@@U-tube-px4uyboth are weaving and bobbing

@Nothingness4907

6 ай бұрын

Like others explained perhaps is exactly because of the fact that Kratos tried to talk him down and he still refused that he doesn't regret killing him Every other God fought to protect Zeus, if Zeus fall so does Olympus, they were protecting their world in their own way Hercules had nothing to do with it if not just wanting to become famous and respected as the new God of War surpassing Kratos, even seeing what Zeus did to Kratos as "favoring him" He was arguably the worst of the bunch, or at least one of the potentially worst

How he delivers the line at :09 is so powerful, he is still struggling internally with the fact he has changed a person and can barely say it without his voice cracking.

He was talking about why he fought the memories of them in Valhalla In reality he killed Magni to protect himself and his son

Absolutely amazing writing holy shit Santa Monica you guys are the best ❤️

Honestly Kratos is right most of the time

@grimcloud2701

6 ай бұрын

specially for someone whose sole work is hacking and slashing

That's nice. But even as a young angry kratos. He loves his wife and daughter. He would never hurt them... Until Ares trick him... But if he had a son during Greek time? I think he would have still train him as a Spartan but not too hard.... Maybe

@petermj1098

6 ай бұрын

Kratos was perfectly fine massacring villiages of civilians before he killed his family. Kratos only killed his family because he was such an apathetic killer he failed to notice he slashed his own family in one village.

@bphater31

6 ай бұрын

@@petermj1098 "in the name of Ares" ring any bells? Or have you ever played the old God of war games like at all? If not then don't waste my time.

@petermj1098

6 ай бұрын

@@bphater31 Kratos chose to work for Ares in the first place by calling out to him in battle. Ares did not force him to work for him. Kratos allowed himself to be his weapon.

@captainrev4959

5 ай бұрын

@@petermj1098 that’s how classical warfare worked.

@vietcuongnguyenle8530

5 ай бұрын

@@petermj1098 he choose to work for ares to have a chance to win the war he must to win to protect his homeland

Man, hearing these dialogues, it’s no wonder video games are better than the movies.

Does Kratos not feel guilty about Thor’s death himself? Or any anger towards Odin killing Brok? Did that get dropped? Oh, you know if he feels this guilty about Thor’s sons maybe a little guilt about how Baldur went down to. I know Kratos doesn’t regret the kill itself but just what he did to Freya, but still, Baldur also was affected by the circumstances in his life

Chadtos speaking facts as always

damn he saw killing them as a mercy

Ironic because they both live through Ragnarok in the story

Poor Kratos i feel for the guy after witnessing his journey from the first game to now ..to see him remorse over his actions and have regrets gotta say the devs did goo this dlc (even if Tyr is a pain in my ass)

I need a father figure like kartos

Question is it always in the series that the father's stab their kids through the chest like Kratos was stabbed in chest by Zuse and Thor was also stabbed in chest now if we believe the next Pantheon that Chris is going to go to is Egypt thej we are going tk see eather Ra Stab His son throw the chest.

What does he mean when he says "subject to authority"

@sadettinarslan5324

6 ай бұрын

If kratos didnt defy zoos and kept doing his bidding in the end his son would also end up as a pawn in zoos’ games.

@JohnWall-lj1mx

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sadettinarslan5324pretty much Thor is basically what would have happened if kratos never rebelled he would have been pathetic, depressed and submissive knowing he can’t do shit to the guy that ruined his life

@TaurusOxford

6 ай бұрын

Basically, if Kratos had raised Atreus as a Spartan, with all the coldness and forced obedience that went with it.

@korawitbuttramee618

6 ай бұрын

Getting conditioning into obedience the same way Sparta train their soldiers rather than following his father out of genuine respect and trust.

@Nephetssings

6 ай бұрын

This game is rated M. You can't possibly be older than 16 and not know what that means.

If you told Young Kratos that he would one day feel sorry for two crazed men who tried to kill him, he probably would’ve taken that as an insult and then ripped your head off with his bare hands

@MMinz26

6 ай бұрын

“Pity? Me?” *Rips you in half with bare hands*

He actually killed only ... one of them. The other one was not worth killing.

let it be known that he did not want to kill modi. maybe out of pity, maybe out of not wanting to kill any more gods than he needed to, but he didnt want atreus to kill him.

They were still bad guys tho, they talked $hit about them and Atreus's mother

I can not believe that Kratos of all people would go on to become the best written character in the history of gaming

Atreus kills modi not kratos

wait a minute......odin is the grandfather thor is the dad who is the uncle 🤔did thor have a brother

Well for a start Atreus killed one so thumbs down on video , we all know why anyways - we all played gow 2018 , Odin sent everyone to get kratos wife not knowing she was dead

This Kratos is too soft

But Kratos only killed Magni. He did it for self defense. Atreus killed Modi while being a cocky little shit.

Ok, is it just me or he is too redeemed. I mean c'mon, really?

@Lajos_Kelemen

6 ай бұрын

I don't know, personally it's all getting a bit too soft. I honestly liked the more reserved and wise Kratos from the previous game, this is becoming too much honestly.

@ValentinoMarino11

6 ай бұрын

@@Lajos_Kelemen While I get how you feel, it’s nice to see Kratos let off some weight he’s been carrying since the moment he called for Ares. This is the first time in centuries he’s just able to speak his mind on things, rather than just screaming and smashing stuff.

@averyangrygringo6440

6 ай бұрын

I like it, the self hatred and self loathing he had for himself was burning him from the inside, the therapy like thing with Mimir and Tyr made him open his feelings because he trust them, a self introspection doesn't make him soft quite the opposite he know himself better

@imnotfromfrancewheeler2678

5 ай бұрын

​@@Lajos_KelemenNo, you're definitely right. The writers are writing a woman, not a man with wisdom. This and the part where he... Whines about his past self TO his past self is obnoxious and uncharacteristic. Growing out of blind rage and abrasiveness isn't the issue, it's that this is some... Super-ultra level of fantasy of a man self-reflecting. He's unrealistically soft now.

@nikopope1831

5 ай бұрын

@@imnotfromfrancewheeler2678 The fact that you'd think these traits are exclusively feminine really shows how insecure you are as a man.

God of feelings. Hate this new Kratos

@WyvernLP

6 ай бұрын

Would you rather he was his younger self who killed out of rage and vengeance? Because if he did, he would end up dooming another realm, and possibly got Atreus killed. Kratos wants to end the cycle, not repeat it.

@cyberrunner6529

6 ай бұрын

You don't have working mind do you can't even comprehend the idea of character development edge lord

@SifGreyfang

6 ай бұрын

It's called being a better person you simpleton

@j0hnicide

6 ай бұрын

kratos has always had feelings bro. why do you think he fought zeus over pandora

@Mr-Rinn

6 ай бұрын

“Grrr! Real man feel only rage!!”

This story is awful. Written by a dork trying to get revenge on his school bully.

@staserstaa1969

5 ай бұрын

Possibly the worst take I have ever heard ngl