Really like the theory, but nah fook Celestia, Khaenri'ah rulers might've deserve it but turning every single human into hillichurls just because they were Khaenrians is a big no no for me. (Plus Hillichurls exist for more then 6000 year's [their first appearance in webcomic], Celestia been doing this for decades. Not to mention they threaten Orobashi to destroy Watatsumi island if he didn't kill himself and them trying to destroy knowledge about their alien origin's)

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Agreeed Celestia in and of itself is very sus too, I’d love to hear their side of the conflict cause I agree - if the leaders of Khaenri’ah were questionable I’m not sure the civilians deserved that kind of punishment either 😭 I plan to cover Celestia’s side of this as well!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

I forgot to add, it also seems like Khaenri’ah’s actions were reactive, but I’ll cover that in the celestia vid!

@turtlebowl

Жыл бұрын

If they just killed the leaders, there would undoubtedly be uprisings against Celestia, they probably wiped them out in order to make it MUCH harder to go against Celestia. You have to remember that due to the destruction of Khaenri'ah, the hilichurl-ifcation of the people, the curses on the military, the Abyss order has had to spend 500 years rebuilding their militia with what they have left and with what they remember. Celestia succeeded with their plans, but it would have worked better if they had just gone for extermination rather than cursing the nation. We don't know why they didn't just go for the kill instead.

@Minamiii-e7y

Жыл бұрын

@@turtlebowl they probably want to make them suffer, Why else would they just not go for the kill? Cursing an entire race to suffering of erosion like the archons and hundrets of other nations/races too,theres no other reson then suffering.

@word6344

Жыл бұрын

The transformation into hilichurls is basically genocide with extra steps: It was perpetrated against all members of a single cultural group (Khaenri'ahns) including *innocents, especially children* Anyone who didn't know the skills to survive in the harsh wilds would've died. So most of the kids and normal, innocent civilians. As for the survivors and their descendants, there had to be some point in time *before* researchers like the Musk family saw them for actual people with society and culture. Before them, hilichurls were (and still mostly are) seen as just simple monsters of the cataclysm to be extrrminated. How many hilichurls do we, as players, kill in a single game session?

Personally, I also subscribe to the theory that Khaenri'ah is not an innocent party in the Cataclysm 500 years ago. Not saying that Celestia is good, it's clearly bad to make people into hilichurls and kill the civilians for the sin of their government and destroy multiple civilisations. I just think they may both be not that great. One of the thing that's strange to me is Makoto's death. The land of Inazuma was overwhelmed with monsters 500 years ago, and her response to this was to go to Khaenri'ah. Is Khaenri'ah behind the monsters? I don't know but it's just weird. Then, she died from a battle in Khaenri'ah. Personally I don't believe she went with the intention to fight, otherwise she would have sent Ei. So why was there a battle? Did Celestia force her to fight? Or did the people of Khaenri'ah attack her first? Another thing that supports my hypothesis that both Celestia and Khaenri'ah are not entirely good or evil is the Fatui. They seem to be evil at first glance, with Il Dottore doing human experiments and the delusions in Inazuma for example. However, the soldiers we've meet so far seem to think that they are working for a good cause. I believe that hoyoverse does not want to make things simple black or white. Each faction will have their own reasons for their actions.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Right! It seems like these responses from the various organizations / entities we’ve seen are reactive to “something.” I really want to do an analysis on what I believed happened in the last moments of Khaenri’ah, so I’ll probably do that after I cover Celestia’s side of things! Then a breakdown of what we know happened during the Cataclysm! 🥰 this was so incredibly well put I love your comment!

@aurinanz

2 жыл бұрын

This is an underrated comment. I too believe that Khaenri’ah is not innocent in this. But I think that what the gods did was a little over the top. The Fatui aren’t as bad as the fandom sees them. I think that they have their reasons too. Overall this comment is really well written and it makes a lot of sense. I heard a theory saying that Lumine was the one who made Khaenri’ah and I think this is true. I don’t know if this is based off of that theory or anything but I think the lore behind this game is INSANE. I can tell that this must have taken many many years to finish. I can’t wait to find out more!!

@TheGameRuler

2 жыл бұрын

In the lore tabs for the monsters, the Abyss Wolves specifically, it's revealed that Khaenri'ah DID actually create some of the monsters of the Abyss, the Dragon that attacked Monstadt that had the poisonous blood that affected Dvalin 500 years in the past is one such creation of Khaenri'ah as well. It's heavily implied that Khaenri'ah was planning a large scale invasion covering the seven nations for along time with use of Monsters and Machines, indiscriminately attacking civilians, soldiers and deitic beings. Makoto also implies that not all the Gods like Celestia either as she found a way outside the Heavenly Principles to create the Inazuman Sakura Tree. Which makes Khaenri'ah's overall targeting of the Gods as bad as Celestia's overall targeting of Khaenri'ahns. This implies directly that both sides of the conflict were extremes already and neither were in the right at all. (hell Khaenri'ah didn't even care about helping Enkanomiya before Orobashi, merely wanted to steal their stuff when they learned they were preparing to leave everything behind.) As for the Fatui, it's hinted in artifacts that the the ability to gain power freely easily lures the selfish and the dangerous. But that doesn't mean all Fatui are evil. Some genuinely believe are helping other nations and aren't afraid to try and mingle with others. But others as we have seen have a "holy'er than thou" attitude and are actually down right evil. Some of the Harbingers aren't really evil either, but there'sa considerable amount that are quite agressive or mean to their own people. Indicating the Fatui are gathering all sorts of people into their organization... that said... I wonder how they are handling the reports on the Traveler? In one moment we are kicking their asses but in another we end up saving some of their own... and lets be honest, us wielding more and more elemental powers without a gadget or vision or anything HAS to have caught their attention by now since we are amassing power.

@Hikarushinyi

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGameRuler I think one day the Traveller will become a fatui Harbinger depending on unavoidable circumstances that he/she have to face🤔 p.s: I want to see artwork of Aether wearing a Harbinger cloak like Childe✌️plus with different hairstyles

@TheGameRuler

Жыл бұрын

@@Hikarushinyi I strongly doubt that would happen.

Even if khaenriah was worse then we thought, the innocent civilians that got turned into hilichulrs, are now forced to suffer for 100 of years in constant pain and can't naturally die I don't think they deserved any of it, and its what makes Celestia the worst

@silverhawkscape2677

2 жыл бұрын

That's the Question now. Was Kheanriah an anomaly or was it not unique. That they weren't the first to think of rebelling?

@Rozherhn

Жыл бұрын

and if it was the khaenri'ah himself who caused the curse of the hilichurl. I ask, what was the use of cursing Celestia the innocent if you are practically giving power to your rival with this? There is also the fact that it seems that something happened in khaenri'a that caused the fall of 2 archons, surely this was what transformed the innocents into hilichurl.

@otakulibrarygirl

Жыл бұрын

I really hope at some point that we get to either fight alongside the hilichurls or that they at least be allowed to rest in peace. I hated when I found out that the monsters were former citizens of Khaenri'ah. I still kill them though, lol... since it's a kill or be killed situation.

@deaddeer7179

9 ай бұрын

​@otakulibrarygirl personally I avoid fighting them at all cost if I can until it's absolutely necessary, being a kaeya main really makes me feel guilty 😅

Great video! About Kaeya's quote about Khaenriah, in the chinese (original) version of this quote, Kaeya don't call Khaenriah's peoples as 'sinners' but say they are 'deemed as sinners' by Teyvat.. which mean something totally different. He also sound super sad and defeated when saying this quote in chinese.. not petty like in the english version.. so it would mean that while Kaeya don't like the Abyss Order, he don't consider "Khaenriah'" as a whole as bad.

@jonangorman6341

Жыл бұрын

So, don't trust English translation.

I believe Makoto, Ei's sister, shines some interesting light on the topic of Khaenri'ah. She said that the Gods have tolerated them for a long time, but they had recentely done something where the Gods could no longer ignore them. And it's left implied that this is what caused the Cataclysm, to which Abyss monsters attacked all of Teyvat and the Archons mobilized to Khaenri'ah. In some of the abyss monsters lore tabs, the wolves specifically, it's implied that Khaenri'ah have been experimenting witht he Abyss for a good while so some monsters existed before the Cataclysm already, specially since the wolves were the vanguard off the attack. All of this is important as it means the Gods were well aware of them and did nothing for a long time, and if the accounts are accurate, it means that the attack on all of the seven nations during the Cataclysm, happened either around the same time or just before the Gods descended on Khaenri'ah. Which raises an observation... and a question The Observation: Khaenri'ah had amassed an army of monsters and machines capable of fighting the seven nations before the Cataclysm, meaning they were well prepared NOT to defend. But to invade. The Question: What did Khaenri'ah do that justified the Archons no longer ignoring them moments prior to the Cataclysm?

@mitab1

Жыл бұрын

Probably the archons went to khaenri'ah to stop the problem from the source and maybe the archons were losing the battle, so Celestia Sent the sustainer of the heavenly principals to solo khaenri'ah, but that's just a theory

@Minamiii-e7y

Жыл бұрын

Tbh i believe that Khanriah actually managed to kill some gods such as the previous Dendro archon and maybe Makoto. Ppl theorize that Celestia struck them down but if that the case,why didnt the other Archons like the Dendro Archon and Makoto join in and fight after the first one got killed as an example? It would make sence that not all of them got killed by Celestia but by Khanriah.

@TheGameRuler

Жыл бұрын

@@Minamiii-e7y We have no evidence they were struck down by Celestia at all (the Gods at the time). I'll be frank, we don't know what was at the heart of everything. Dainslief said it was because the Gods saw Khaenri'ah as a weed in their perfect garden, but as mentioned by Makoto, it wasn't the reason why they attacked: Khaenri'ah did something to provoke it after several years of tolerating it... and quite possibly a few thousand years of tolerating them.

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

I mean... If Khaenri'ah was attacked, it'd make sense for their monsters to leak out. We don't know which came first. The monsters wandering Teyvat, or Khaenri'ah being attacked. Whoever struck first is important. Even in Khaenri'ah WAS making entirely "Too many" monsters... It evidently wasn't enough, because the gods were still able to wipe them out. Meaning that this amount of monsters wasn't even enough to defend, much less invade. Khaenri'ah lived under constant threat from gods merely existing, and made weapons to also have power. Only difference between Khaenri'ah and other nations is that the other nation's power is concentrated in their archon and controlled by Celestia. We know that Khaenri'ah wasn't entirely innocent, given Rhinedotters big oopsie, but I doubt they were worse than Celestia or deserved what Celestia sent them.

@Laure__Line

Жыл бұрын

Dainsleif implies they were an aggressive nation when he talks about the ruin guardians. These machines were built to loot the lands of the other nations because the Khaenri’ans had no intention to work the land like normal humans. This way of life was obviously a nuisance to all of Teyvat.

Min: creates amazing, well thought-out and produced video on Khaenri'ah lore also Min: 💕🫦🔥Pierro❤‍🔥💞❤

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

He’s so spicy tho 🥵💙💙

@MidoriKyun

Жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif I see you're a woman of culture as well 🤝

@thedawner6311

Жыл бұрын

@@MidoriKyun ngl, as a Fatui fan, I support his Ideals. He seems smarter than the average archon.

Hmm when you mentioned the Khaenriahn translation in Arabic, I found that particularly ironic, considering the fact the 2 main khaenrian characters (Kaeya & by extension Albedo,) hail from mondstadt, which is also considered the city of the wind…. *Just food for thought, but it’s a really interesting connection.*

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

they could've been there intentionally HMMMM but you're absolutely right for pointing that out, it's definitely sus

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

We also first meet Dainsleif in Mondstadt if I remember correctly

@xereta1123

Жыл бұрын

and albedo says those sus things about bcome evil and being killed by the traveler...

After seeing the giant ruin guards in Sumeru, Im starting to think it might of been a good idea if Khaenri'ah was destroyed...

@badreedinedjellali1328

10 ай бұрын

Yeah there where probably became to greedy and started to cause wars so celestial destroyed them

@KotyJwCu

25 күн бұрын

@@badreedinedjellali1328 You know you can have a military without causing wars right? Only difference was they had better technology. Plus lets say they did have "wars" Hilichurls are WAY older than 500 years meaning they've done this before.

wind betrayers is really interesting, because in the diluc quest i got the impression they are basically at war with the abyss order at the moment. maybe the two countries have a special connection with each other

The Teyvat being flipped is a interesting theory because if everyone can remember with the meteor event. Scaramouche talked how the stars are lies, meaning there’s a chance that the sky we see may not actually be the sky. That could explain the mysterious upside down structures.

The way you tell stories and even flat out theories is mesmerizing. I love your work, and even though in the future we might all be wrong about our theories I throughly enjoy listening to yours. Keep up the great work!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u so much!!!! 🥺

@AidenLawfer

Жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif you are very welcome ☺️

O dam, I've been thinking about the whole tevyat being upside down theory. Now with new evidence being that the script is upside down, didn't they day that the whole sky went red during the cataclysm? And how scaramouche mentioned the sky was fake, and how whenever we go "down" the abyss it appears to be that we are going up. Sus

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

YES! We go up a set of stairs to go deeper into the abyss it’s definitely intentional 😳😳 i really hope in the future, they give us a play by play of what exactly happened during the cataclysm

@deaddeer7179

9 ай бұрын

​@@Minsleifdoss that meant he abyss is related to celestia?

this is actually a really good and well-explained theory would u be able to do one about an in-depth talk of why celestia might be evil too? i've seen a lot of theories and stuff but it would be very useful!! also I LOVE YOUR OUTRO AND CHANNEL BANNER OMG ITS BEAUTIFUL-- 🌌

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😍😍 it was by leaflesprout on twitter and I love their work! I’d absolutely love to do a celestia video as well!

The fact that i can understand this better than the stuff on my history class is wild

Let me make something clear: pure blooded khaenriahs got curse of immortality and half blooded khaenriahs got turned into hilichurls by celestia

4:35 wait I didn’t find that one holy- so Kaeya’s family stepped up and led the country after the previous king failed? They’re literally confirming Kaeya has... well not ROYAL royal blood... by still royal blood

Hey Min I’m interested in north mythology and since khaenriahan characters have a lot of north European influences dainsleifs snake constellation makes me think about jörmingandr the midgard snake, she is the child of loki and Angrboda an ancient goddess, she is so big that she can wrap around the mortal world and watches everything the gods kept her hidden from the normal humans in the sea they also managed to keep her brother the fenrir wolf trapped with a fragile rope in Asgard the home of the gods and made her sister the goddess of death hel.the 3 siblings fought in ragnarök the world ending along with monsters and their father against the celestial rule. when I look at this the 3 siblings could represent the 3 primordial nations or 3 Fighters who plan a rebellion against the gods.These are just my thoughts so pls don’t take them too serious.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!! I love this analysis, also it’s said that Jörmungandr could initiate Ragnarok if it uncoils its tail right? 😳

@cooleenten.de2

2 жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif yes in some stories but they all seem to agree that ragnarök begins if the god of light dies this could be us or the abyss sibling…or it already happened in the past when we got attacked by the unknown god what maybe was the reason behind the archon war 500 years ago

I have a theory that the unknown god is one of the gods that destroyed khaenri'ah, and the twins were actually looking for a new world to call home and they chose khaenri'ah but when the calamity hit they tried to escape but were defeated by the unknown god.

@Minsleif

Жыл бұрын

I’m inclined to agree with you especially because of two things: 1) her cubes are present during the destruction of Khaenri’ah from the “We Will Be Reunited” Trailer 2) [Spoiler for the 3.0 Archon Quest Act 1] her cubes are also present in the sky during Traveler’s experience with the Irminsul tree (which they suspect might be from Khaenri’ah)

@opyona

Жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif yeah seeing the cubes was one of the things that made me believe this, but i didn't see them in the dream!! That's interesting

I’m also a big fan of khaenri’ah characters!! I’m a kaeya and albedo main!

@bonk904

2 жыл бұрын

as someone who mains kaeya ​​and will main albedo too the second i get him, i agree

Omg I thought I was the only one who believed in the Ouroboros=Dainsleif theory. My personal speculation is that he didn’t have a physical form and sought out the help of Istaroth. Who traveled him to the future and transported his soul into Dainsleif when he was a newborn. So Ouroboros has like, always been with Dain.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Watch him actually be part god 😭😭 his arm looks so intentional (doesn’t look like the result of a curse)

@ovp3606

2 жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif I think the concept's funny because it's so ironic. LIke maybe the reason he doesn't like gods is cause he's had one nagging in his head his entire life.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

@@ovp3606 right?! He’s just like “trust me, they’re not all that 🙄🙄🙄”

@savidalu193

Жыл бұрын

Upon learning about this, it does explain why Dain is trying to stop the abyss sibling

Girl, you have done it again, constantly raising the bar for us all and doing it flawlessly. I'd say I'm surprised but I know who you are. This was a great watch Min! I can't wait to see more!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

JAMESSS THANK U 🥹🥹🥹

It's weird how much Dain resembles an older version of male traveller

@oneandonly8746

Жыл бұрын

What if... Dainsleif: I am your father

tfw you're from middle east and THE MOMENT you see Kaenri'ah you take ten steps back because 'Khaen' means 'Betrayer'.

@ahagotcha

Жыл бұрын

Wait a minute hold on minute

@addisynsanders3805

Жыл бұрын

Khaenri’ah means “betrayer of the winds” in Arabic VENTI GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE RIGHT NOW! YOU SUSSY TONE-DEF BARD! YOU’VE GOT A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO YOU SUSSY BAKA!

OMG Min, the presentation, the story telling, this is amazing! I'm looking forward to seeing more of your videos. I love this!

“arrogation” is to claim or seize without justification so this theory really ties into the first statement of the Heavenly Principles at the beginning of the game

If weaponizing a god is a sin, then aren’t the elders in Sumeru playing with fire by trying to manufacture a new Rukkhadevata?

Great great great presentation on a fascinating theory! The climax with the theory on Dainslief was WILD! You do such a wonderful job on communicating info while also being rly engaging and funny! So excited to see more from you

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u so much!! I really appreciate the encouragement!!! 🥺🥺🥺💙💙

My thoughts since the sumeru archon quest have been that: Celestia = right motive, bad execution Khanariah = found the truth Fatui = good intentions, wrong motive, also bad methods Breaking it down to be more spoilery: Khanariah finds knowledge that is true, but forbidden Celestia tried to shut it down by whatever means necessary Fatui knows celestia is hiding something BUT if they were to uncover it, it may trigger another situation of corrupted forbidden knowledge Only problem is I think all 3 used an "ends justify the means", but even if their terrible acts DID justify their goals - only one can be actually in the right

@Minsleif

Жыл бұрын

Ahh thank your insight!! I love your analysis and you’re making me want to revisit this Khaenri’ah theory again knowing what we know about the Sumeru archon quest!! ☺️☺️💙💙

@BreMue

Жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif thank you!! Your vid really helped me put the pieces together. The story is getting low key WILD

@KotyJwCu

25 күн бұрын

I mean considering the other two factions hate Celestia more than each other says a lot

@greendevil5176

21 күн бұрын

@@KotyJwCuthey are basically the same. What can you expect? And celestia is the strongest out of the three so those two fighting would be stupid

@KotyJwCu

21 күн бұрын

​@@greendevil5176 They've had scraps Before. Everyone even the Archons just don't Like Celestia

additionally, as I noticed, in the dainsleif quest, we see a UPSIDE DOWN statue of the seven (Mondstadt's, no less)

The last letters of the old aldabeth in genhsin may be the last letter some of the Scandanavian alfabeths cuz the names of the people from Khaenri’ah sound like they are Icelantick or northern scandanavia liek Norway and swedan!

I feel like the khanrian and the civilizations destroyed among regions has a same ancestry or the civilizations destroyed were influenced by khanriah ,and relates to phanes that the celestia is trying to remove because they were afraid that they might take revenge because they conquered it long ago. "2nd throne of heavens"

The Dainslief/Ouroboros thing actually makes me more neutral than before. Celestia committed atrocities, and so did humanity. It puts things into perspective like our own world. Like, good and evil don't exist unless you categorize it that way

love your videos, i am glad to see you making an essay-like longer video!! this was great

So happy to find such an amazing lore creator. Loved everything about this video. From editing, to writing and specially your voice. So soothing. Looking forward for more

"but hey that’s just a theory, A GENSHIN THEORY!“

Now I agree with Ella Musk when she says "I wish people and hilichurls lived together" Even Deinsleif doesn't want to destroy archons as he doesn't want another war and understands that there's lots of people living under gods rules I wish Teyvat and Khaenri'ah lived together too and it only could happen if Celestia falls

love the breakdown in this video min! super clear presentation and a really interesting explanation! looking forward to more theories from you^^

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u so much!!! 🥺🥺💙💙💙

i saw one of those iceberg images one time , and one of the theories was “asmoday (unknown god) was actually fischl (not the playable one but the one from the book)” , to this day im still looking for anything related to that theory but it seems pretty underground

This is vastly well done! Your wording, editing, and our AMAZING outfit just makes this video so perfect!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u so much!!!! 🥺🥺😭😭💙💙 I really appreciate you!!!!

@sekaisamurai

2 жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif Ofcourse, ofcourse! Im looking forward to seeing more!

I have a question: In Ei 2nd story quest we found out that the monsters of Abyss attacked the 7 nations and while Ei is fighting, Makoto leave for Khaenriah. If the monsters are people of Khaenriah, then doesnt that mean they are already cursed before the gods went to Khaenriah?? If so, then that conflicts with what Dain said that the gods attacked Khaenriah first and cursed them right??

@mitab1

Жыл бұрын

Khaenri'ah created the abyss monsters and war machines to attack the 7 nation and Celestia said hold my bear and turned them into abyss monsters themselves, and from the giant ruin gourd in sumeru you know that teyvat was on fire during those times, so I think Celestia saw that khaenri'ahan people have the same ideology as their leaders so they said fuck it all of you bitches are monsters now

@Sacration

Жыл бұрын

Inazuma was basically at War with two partie, the Monsters of the Dark Sea and Khaenri'ah

@KotyJwCu

25 күн бұрын

@@mitab1 So what you're saying is Khaenri'ah realized they were bouta get ass raped and did it first ultimately being destroyed. Probably found out the truth about celestia

Honestly, I understand why they felt so threatened at Khaenri’ah I mean seeing the huge frakking ruin golems in Sumeru? Who wouldn’t but still it was no excuse to obliterate an entire nation with a lot of innocent people too

Honestly until we get the whole picture I'm down to believe that neither side were saints. Especially since being reactive isn't a very solid indicator of innocence, it just means you fought back.

First Genshin lore video and it’s about Khaenri’ah?! Talk about on brand 💙 I’m so excited to see the future videos. Good work Min 💖💖

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u Kini!! 😍💙

this was really good, i am looking forward to more theory content

I was so excited when I saw the tiktok that told me to come here, you’re my favorite Genshin theorist and I can’t wait to watch some longer theories :)

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u so much!! ; - ; will do my best to continually provide hehe 😍

Khaenria being the opposite side of the world could be a valid argument, seeing as teyvat seems to be flat, with most parts of the map still being visible from no matter how far away you get

my favorite leify lore streamer 💕 can’t wait to see more videos!!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Char ILY!!! 🥺💙💙💙

Something that always seemed odd to me was Rhinedottir or Gold. She’s behind the creation of the rift hounds and we see with albedo how potent the art of khemia is.

AAA I SAW THE TIK TOK AND IM EXCITED I LOVE ALL YOUR VIDEOSBYOUR VOICE AND EXPLINATIONS ARE SO EASY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND!!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

I’m really glad!! I hope you enjoyed it 😍💙

My expectation is the trope that the True Enemy is whoever's at the top of the hierarchy and our band of heroes must topple the ruling power and liberate the people from their cruel autocracy. At the moment that seems like Celestia Edit: And also Celestia is hiding the true sky so we're gonna also get giving the common people back the sky

The Tiara of Frost's description says: "Every mighty and ancient city and every austere place of sacrifice must one day return to profundity in the earth. All prosperity must someday end. But this does not mean that nothing is eternal. At the end of a cycle, the earth shall be renewed. Thus eternity is cyclical. The search for truth is a product of prosperity, not the seed that plants it." Basically, under Celestia's rule, when the time is up for one civilization, another one will rise up from its ashes. From Khaenriah's perspective, Celestia has the power to control the ultimate fate of a civilization, and perhaps the Khaenrian kings believed that by unifying Teyvat once more, they could oppose their fate and grant everyone the chance of everlasting prosperity. However, the gods of Celestia are similar to the Herrschers of the Honkaiverse - destroying civilizations when they reach their peak and thus 'resetting' civilizations is their ultimate goal. I think that neither side is particularly right or wrong about their viewpoints. The CN translation of Heavenly Principles is 'natural order' so what the Fatui are doing is literally trying to rewrite the natural laws of Teyvat.

@mitab1

Жыл бұрын

Make sense Specially with the "teyvat has it's own rules" massage on the load screen

@biazacha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that could explain why Celestia forced the Archon war to build the seven nations and the divine beings on Teyvat also experience erosion…. is easier to control what shenanigans humans are doing if they are all on neatly made countries under the rule of their kind. The last assault being the most violent could very much be an example to other people forget any ideas of living without a god.

omg min i absolutely LOVED this 🤩🤩🤩🤩i was wondering tho, how do you think genshin endgame is going to play out? right now we have the harbingers/tsaritsa being set up as the "bad guys" but if we introduce the alberich clan into the mix who REALLY is the "bad guy"? 😳 pure conjecture ofc but im curious :3

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLYYYY Genshin’s conflict is so multifaceted, I love that the further we get into the story the more and more we see these moral lines blurred! I really want to hear Celestia’s side after all of this especially!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Also thank u Kaeya expert ; - ;

Good video! I am glad I found your channel, you earned my sub!

So the giant ruin guard will wake up in the 3.0 story quest, meaning that khaenr'ia technology managed to fight against time itself .That could explain how Albedo is still fine and dandy after 500 years.

@kikioffe2698

2 жыл бұрын

@Xx-raZ0r_pup-xX Your dodging skill will do NOTHING against that thing 💀

Great video! I never knew that info about Dain being transmuted with Ouroboros (or i may have forgotten haha) I'm so glad to find many fellow players here who think BOTH Khaenriah and Celestia are sus, and not just Celestia. I never thought Khaenrians deserved their curse, but I also don't think all of them were innocent. The most sus for me are Rhinedottir/Gold and, of course, the last rulers of the Eclipse Dynasty. Considering Pierro of the Harbingers tried to stop his people in the past, I believe they just went too far. Which led to the cataclysm. Ruin Guards and the like had been made even before the cataclysm---some were stored in Guizhong's domain because she wanted to study them. And Guizhong died in the _Archon War._ P.S. I'm a fan of Wei too, so I'm going to subscribe to your channel and your theories. :D

As always, amazing theories and work on that video Minleif ! I've learned a lot from this on the ancient civilization but mostly on Khaenri'ah. Thank you, a lot of applaud for your work and hope to see even more ! Keep going on your theories it is really refreshing and help us dive deep into this crazy lore of Genshin Impact !

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you so much thank u!! ; - ;

0:59 in the enkanomiya world quest erobos secret eboshi says “before byakuyakoku fell the world had a single unified culture” maybe that explains the similar ruins unless I have the timeline of events messed up

It's Celestia we shouldn't trust. Anyone who's followed the lore knows they're fakers.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! Celestia is up to pretty sus things as well. I love how multi-dimensional and morally ambiguous these conflicts are in Genshin!!

@jonangorman6341

Жыл бұрын

Yes

i always beleived that phanes was one of the four shades not the actual primordial one because the greek myhts this is clearly isnpired from the names the lore etc all says that phanes was a byproduct of something else so i figured he coudlve been one of the four shades instead of the priomordial one

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

oooh this is definitely food for thought! also I'm intrigued by Aether in Greek Mythology. Aether had a sister named Hemera and both were the children of Nyx, I wonder if this is how they're going to tie in "the night mother" from the pale princess stories! TT o TT

Alright, normaly I hate genshin lore videos because there’s always too much speculation that demands you ignore ALOT of established cannon and lore implications But I loved this video to death. And I genuinely applaud you, keep doing the work your enjoy most in the world and be well!

@Minsleif

Жыл бұрын

Ahh thank you so much that means so much to me 🥺 will continue to do my best to produce more lore/theory videos!

There is an anime called "Sakasama no Patema" (Sakasama means upside down). In this anime, the earth's gravitation has been flipped for some people so they fall toward the sky (let's call them upside-down people). The main character met an upside-downed girl, set on an adventure to find out what actually happened to the gravity, only to discovered that he is the one who was upside-down the whole time, the other girl is right side up. I think if the "Teyvat is upside down" theory is correct, then it must be a reference to that anime. And judging by the fact that MHV puts reference everywhere in this game, this theory is quite possible.

Omg thank you for such a great job

Currently exploring sumeru, so far from multiple encounter with fatui (in khaenriah ruin), they seems trying to learn khaenriah technologies (ruin guards, experimentations, etc). I'm scared of what they're going to do with these khaenriah knowledge, even though it seems they're not 100% bad guys here

@fri-cd6xy

6 ай бұрын

And sometimes i think what if traveler actually 'help' them by doing the quest. Since adventure guild seems connected to snezhnaya, yk maybe they send their people after the travelers getting the primos, lmao

❤ this is an awesome investigation. Cant believe to see Wei got tagged😂 ! U both are awesome

If I could only take away one thing from this video, it would be the meaning of Khaenri'ah's name. Now that is something very important.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

i have a feeling it might play a role in Sumeru

Here’s what I think about Khaenriah: we know they have no god and that they were very technologically advanced. Some abandoned journals and papers near the door to Khaenriah hint to them learning about other worldly technology. Also, Mona is covered in the Khaenrian star and she uses sigils from Khaenriah in her charged attacks. She has the ability to look into the stars, and see other nigh skies. In a lot of Khaenrian outfits, there’s a galaxy pattern (Dainsleif’s cape and paimon’s as well as abyss Heralds). So they probably knew a lot about the stars and were able to look into space basically. They were probably able to see through Celestia’s lies (the fake sky). In that same journal near the door, they say “…We waged war against the forces from beyond the sky (Celestial perhaps), yet we were rejected by the laws of this world and tormented by an unjust curse…” I have a theory that they were able to find out about the unknown god and/or the secrets of Celestia in general, like how the “Heavenly Principles” came to Tevat and basically colonized it. They took the power from the dragons of sovereign. The unknown god is the “keeper” of the heavenly principles and was obviously threatened by the Khaenrians because of their abilities to find the truth. Also, Khaenriah was not ruled by a god, another “law” they probably broke that threatened the rule of the heavenly principles. If you look at the video genshin released in 2020 that was basically a teaser for the main story quest (the one with Lumine where is shows her running during the cataclysm and traveling with a ruin guard), you can see the destruction of Khaenriah was inflicted by those dark cubes. The same ones that the Unknown god uses to take away our sibling. Also, we learn that some archons died during the cataclysm like Rukkhadevata and Raiden’s sister Makoto and we know that the cataclysm affected all nations because of the monsters. The archons probably didn’t care at all that khaenriah was godless, which is why some went to Khaenriah to defend it, resulting in some archon’s deaths. There has also been some archons that have expressed their dislike for Celestia and the heavenly principles, like Venti and Zhongli. The reason why Zhongli couldn’t tell us anything about our sibling is because he made a contract with Celestia. So the Archons did not cause the Cataclysm, but Khaenrians and our sibling don’t know that. They associate the Archons with Celestia so they assume they were on board with the destruction. Honestly, if the traveler just asked one of the Archons is they were responsible for Khaenriahs destruction, they’d probably say “Hell nah 🗣️” 💀💀 But yeah that’s my theory. I pieced it together bc they the answer is basically right in front of us. Idk tell me what yall think.

@KotyJwCu

25 күн бұрын

I'd say thats what happened, Sounds like Kheanri'ah found out the truth and said "Hell nah" and started fighting back

@LiIbeanbagbean

24 күн бұрын

@@KotyJwCu I love you for reading my comment 😍

I personally like to use the term BK, AK, before Khaenri'ah, After Kaenri'ah!

Awesome video! I’ve always been cautious of Kahnrhia, maybe because I’ve become very attached to the archons we’ve met so far (and my personal hope that they didn’t do any wrong). I think this situation is not cut and dry, one side is good and one is evil. I’m certain there’s wrong doings on all sides. Though, I’m very cautious of putting any trust in Kahnrhia yet. Especially because everything to do with them also has a lot of abyss things going on, and that’s major red flags to me.

To me the only victims in the Kheanri’ah disaster are the archons, celestia and kheanri’ah are to blame for it, while the archons lost loved ones, their people, and a couple almost lost their nation as a whole.

The lore queen💙💙💙💙 Love the video so muchh!!!!

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

KIMMY coming from u I’m blushing 😭😭

"Turn hot people into monsters" "Please equip the circlet for the tinfoil artifact set" Yo how are you delivering these puns with so nonchalantly?! I was laughing my ass off xD

I always thought it was weird that there is "kh" in khaenriah,I only find this sound in arabic, and the fact that it means the betrayer of wind already says a lot, you may think it has something to do with venti but it doesn't, I'm pretty sure venti was born much after the creation of khaenria,I think it has more with the thousand winds,the shade of time aka istaroth (also venti's mama that's why their after him) but why did they betray the wind?that's a complicated question here... maybe because she betrayed the first who came?(which she didn't cause she's been plotting against celestia for a while) that isn't likely because why her in particular when there are other shades who switched sides?a huge mystery honestly... but at least it hints that she will be of great importance in the future

Great video, and great sitting posture 11/10

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

Ahh thank u!! ; - ;

It always surprises me how deep and darkish the lore of this game can be

I see everyone's concern with Celestia being good is mostly the curse put on the Khaenri'ah people. I am surly very off on this one, but I guess it wouldn't be impossible for the curse to originate from Khaenri'ahns themselves, even just by accident? 1) We've only ever heard it from Dein iirc and nothing proves that he's being honest to us. 2) Khaenri'ah had shady people working for them at the time. Like Gold, if I am not mistaken, took part in the war by at least attacking Mondstadt with Durin. She even let her dragon son eat her human prototype son, doesn't sound like the kind of people who would second guess potentially high risk experiments for potential high rewards.

i didn't expect another game of thrones plot but in the game

Please do an upside down theory vid!!

Your entire outfit is so cute omg 😍

I fully believe that khaenri'ah wants to attack mondstast cuz mondstast is in theory the gateway to celestia like written on the statue

damn this outro is really chill i love it

When I first heard of the name Khaenriah while looking into the lore, I did suspect that it could've been an Arabic name But I didn't think much of it since i didn't think it would be potentially two words put together, also since there was alot of Latin used in its ruins I thought I must've been wrong

I think the 3.5 archon quest just confirmed this theory. I’M NOT SPOILING IT ANYMORE THEN THAT! If you’ve played the archon quest you know what I’m taking about! Edit: Also how much are we beting that there’s at least one celestial nail in Khaenri’ah maybe even multiple, like maybe three.

"If Khaerinah and Mondstad went to war" Bro, you know that Khaerinah was destroyed, nothing left out of them expect maybe ruins?

I just would like to add; The very existence of Yanfei AND Zhongli is not only a short sign of your theory being correct, as well as balancing the current contemporary affairs. Meaning, the fall of a great city came from corruption and such. Yanfei being by the law, and Zhongli by contract, an ADEPTUS and Archon, I believe exist solely to give balance to the concurrent. Like harbingers of great success!

I had my thoughts about kheanri ah having a reason to be punished by celestia .I think that the simple reason that this was a nation with no god doesnt instantly mean that this was the cause of her destruction the main reason i think that was because makoto during her talk with ei said that kheanri ah was not something that any god could overlook what is they were the creators of idea of ceasing powers of gods and that was a reason of her destruction

Great vid! Well laid out, especially for folks not particularly familiar with the finer details. The Ouroboros-Dainsleif theory is particularly curious. I did have a question, though. Did anyone ever claim that Khaenri'ah was destroyed without provocation, or is that just an assumption some have made? I recognize that Dainsleif's attitude might imply that, but I always felt that his demeanor was that of someone who was defending having done something "wrong/bad" behind the justification that someone else did something "wrong/bad" deserving first. A "I wouldn't have had to do X if you hadn't done Y" kind of thing. Projection, in other words. Celestia definitely seems like it's not innocent, but I agree that Khaenri'ah might've gone a bit too far.

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like an assumption! Especially after the 2.6 Archon Quest, we were really made to feel for Dainsleif and what happened to the Khaenri’ahns. AND YES I’m glad you pointed this out, because according to his Prophecy - Dainsleif is evidently guilty of smth “what is that strand of blond hair to you? Something you must k!ll or the object of your penitence.”

@effortlessfury

2 жыл бұрын

@@Minsleif Gotcha, gotcha, makes sense. Interesting! You also got the gears turning in my head, I had no idea Khaenri'ah meant "wind betrayers." Given "The Thousand Winds" is another name for Time/Istaroth, now I'm wondering if part of Khaenri'ah's smiting is that they didn't seek just to topple Celestia, but ALL forms of divinity. That also feeds into my other theory that Paimon is Istaroth, but Guoba-fied. If that's the case, perhaps whatever happened 500 years ago is why Paimon/Istaroth lost her memory and power. A bit out there, I know, but it's always fun to speculate. XD

@Minsleif

2 жыл бұрын

@@effortlessfury YES the paimon = Ishtaroth theories go so hard 😭😭 there’s a good amount of evidence to back that one up too!! And it does seem like Khaenri’ah tried assert some kind of agenda, and it’s wild cause people assumed ruin guards where present in places to “protect ruins.” But I honestly think they were there for other sus reasons 😭😭

I feel like Khaenriah is the biggest movement against Celestia, and had a very huge reach and influence just like the Fatui right now. The archons and gods are leaders who give their people something to keep them dormant and prevent rebellions as big as Khaenriah which sees the cruelty of the limits set upon Teyvat. The unification can be the equalization of gods and regular humans alike by giving them alchemy. Alice and Mona practice the art of Astrology which might end up being what causes the downfall of Celestia and is the Fatui's next target. The Fatui have been trying to advance like Khaenriah but instead of drawing from the leylines and using alchemy they plan to use the combined power of the gods that Celestia tried to weaponize as prison guards, but their downfall is that they're led by the Tsaritsa, a god who (in my theory) was made to limit her people. The limits will get lifted if they learn how to read the stars as Mona does to see the fates of people and the gods and potentially avoid them. The strongest made up the 7 and they would be who the people wanted to depend on and in times of war, nobody can overpower one or the other. Vision bearers keep their nations micromanaged like how Yelan and Eula are strong enough to handle skirmishers on their own and even investigate. Delusions are the actual derivations of power from gods while visions are from celestia to fill a role and keep eachother in check, even the archons themselves. My point is, Khaenriah was once led by a god which (in support of the orouboros theory) probably was slain by his people and had the power of time (which can probably relate to astrology) which lead the sustainer to go down and handle Khaenriah herself instead of setting down a nail.

I never once thought that Khaenriah was 100% innocent in this. That being said it always confused me on why Celestia punished... every(?) human of Khaenriah, sure they were probably the cause for the monster invasion that attacked all seven nations and nearly brought humanity to the brink of destruction but to punish the entire(?) civilization of Khaenriah? That just seems over the top to me. Which is why I believe Phanes isn't really in charge of Celestia anymore and it's really the second who came is the one ruling Celestia.

hi i just wanted to say that youre really pretty :33 !!

I agree with you, this is a stretch but if you have ever played ffx the war between bevelle and zanarkand I feel this is the same but reversed Khan had weapons of war that could destroy the world I'd they had another 20 years all gods would be dead

i'm gonna start saving for dainsleif now

wait number 1 harbinger is a Fatui but also a Khaenri ah well now I may know the whole purpose of the Fatui Sheznaya is the Khaenri'ah 2.0 and with all the gnosis they should win except we are the main of the story and we will defeat Fatui with all their Gnosis which makes no sense if you think we have been pushed around by the Shogun ,what real chances we have against of a supreme Fatui God .Especially when Traveler was scared so badly by the presence of the Doctor.

if you look at kaeya albedo and mona they all have a star symbol somewhere on their clothes

@spikesmad7869

Жыл бұрын

Although Albedo is not from khanriah I'm pretty sure

Hmmm interesting. I should watch the vid again to get everything out since I was not 100% focused this time lol. But that’s amazing.

Personally I can subscribe to the theory that Khaenri’ah isn’t completely innocent. In general, a lot of genshin tends to be morally ambiguous when it comes to how certain factions or teyvat governments are portrayed. In my opinion though, if it was really only Khaenri’ah’s government that was “wronging” or “sinning” against celestia, I still don’t see a reason for celestia to torture humans the way they did with the hilicurles. (And the Khaenri’ah characters ofc.) I am biased though, because despite the fact that I like some of the archons, I’ve always liked the Khaenri’ah characters more, and I personally think that Dainsleif and Kaeya’s pasts are both the most upsetting (even if the genshin community tends to believe that Zhongli’s or Xiaos are more upsetting- which is fair, I just personally think the trauma of having to live after seeing everything you care about being destroyed and killed hits differently when your forced to live on through a curse. Dainsleif *cough cough*). I also just personally think that from what we currently know about Khaenri’ah, (which to be honest isn’t that much;) what celestia has done to these civilizations isn’t really that justified. Another thing I find interesting though, is that the archons seem to be binded by something that doesn’t allow them to really talk about the events in Khaenri’ah. Like how Zhongli/Morax says he’s “binded by contract” so he can’t say anything about it. I find it interesting, because it makes it seem like the archons involved weren’t as compliant with ending Khaenri’ah. (This isn’t to say that they are innocent either, it just feels like they were more coerced by celestia, then fully acting on their own morals. This is more of a theory but that’s just me.) Personally I think why I loved Dainsleif so much when I first met him in game was because of the fact that he didn’t trust the gods at face value, compared to a decent amount of genshin characters, and that we actually got answers about Khaenri’ah. While I say this, it doesn’t mean that Dainslief could be lying, but as much as the archon quests have shown, it doesn’t seem to be the case. Also something I think is worth mentioning at least when it comes to Khaenri’ah lore is Kaeya’s lore. Before the 2.9 update, I had the theory that Kaeya was Khaenri’ah royalty, which is partly true, in the respect that his clan are known as the regents of Khaenri’ah. It just begs the question, why were they needed, and how has the clan itself survived even 500 years after the destruction of Khaenri’ah? Anyways, this is me just writing down my thoughts. I loved the video you did. It was very concise and thorough. I’m just spitting out my thoughts on Khaenri’ah and genshin lore lmao.

@Minsleif

Жыл бұрын

I agree with everything u said!! Thanks so much for your insight!! ; - ; honestly with the giant ruin guards- Khaenri’ah what were you up to 💀

I’ve seen somewhere that it’s possible that Khaenri'ahns were the ones responsible for Sal Terrae’s death. Them going around and killing Gods could have been what motivated Celestia to shut them down. Also about Humans trying to create/replicate a God, I think that’s what the sages in Sumerian we’re trying to do with their old Dendro archon. However, they failed and created Kusanali.

Not the tin foil artifact set 😭😭😭 im subscribing just cuz of that phrase

Minsleif, who do you think is the mystery woman Dainsleif talks about in the trailers (rescue her/she loves those flowers)? I'd love to hear your theory if you have any.

@alonsodehermes2885

Жыл бұрын

@Lavanya Singh it isn't Lumine fs

@Kekekekenn

Жыл бұрын

@@alonsodehermes2885 who else would it be......

@alonsodehermes2885

Жыл бұрын

@@Kekekekenn She's someone from Dainsleif's past.

Wei the archon of lore 😂😂😂I knew it he would reach it

Traveller himself is kaehrian so we are not trust🤣 worthy ourselves too ULTRALUL