I have always had an interest in Japanese Culture, I saw this scene as a kid which started my interest, thank you for the explanation of where this scene is inadequate for a proper tea ceremony

I saw a movie once where for the language of the mysterious savage, cannibalistic, ancient Scandinavian tribe, they used modern Welsh. Just normal spoken Welsh for what was portrayed throughout the movie as the language of these "monstrous" people. So there's my entire Welsh speaking family watching a movie where they joke about cannibalism in Welsh.

@klasnm_5364

2 жыл бұрын

A rather harrowing image, though. Welsh speaking, scandinavian cannibals. 😄

@NiaJustNia

2 жыл бұрын

@@klasnm_5364 it was baffling to say the least 😂

@sevenproxies4255

2 жыл бұрын

As a scandinavian with some knowledge about old norse people: cannibalism is a bit of a slander. The norsemen were certainly violent and raided all across Europe. But eating people was not a custom of theirs, even if ritual human sacrifice was.

@klasnm_5364

2 жыл бұрын

@@sevenproxies4255 we're not being serious about it. She's talking about a movie. Svensk?

@NiaJustNia

2 жыл бұрын

@@sevenproxies4255 I mean I'm also fairly confident that you don't become a cannibal the moment you learn to speak Welsh, at least in my personal experience. I'm also doubtful that there was ever a hidden tribe of Modern Welsh speaking hybrid pict-norse people living in caves somewhere around Norway some 2000 years before modern Welsh existed 😂

I appreciate the corrections. But as an ignorant young man (like Daniel), this scene worked on so many levels. It was magical.

@turtleboy991

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It's a love scene, I'll let it slide just this once

@bluespaceman7937

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, but they could have done the scene a little more carefully.

@turtleboy991

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluespaceman7937 It was the 80s. The need for Accuracy was still being overlooked in favor of emotional impact. Well, moreso than it is today, in comparison

@JaejoongPrincess

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluespaceman7937 It was intentionally done for a reason.

Actress Tamlyn Tomita said that she had taken a course at UCLA on the Ura-senke style tea ceremony.

I like to think that maybe what we're seeing in this scene is a young girl from a POOR Okinawan village who's not FORMALLY trained but had seen tea ceremony many times. She's in love and, though she's not trained, she wants to do something nice for him and she knows he, as a foreigner, won't know the subtle issues in how she performs this tradition. These movies do similar things with the martial arts featured in them...there is a lot that accurate and a lot that isn't as well. For instance, the REAL Miyagi, was the founder of Goju-Ryu but, the practitioners in th movies and shows do not adhere to that style.

@Ozymandias1

2 жыл бұрын

From what I understand there is also a difference between Okinawa culture and Japanese culture.

@mocabe01

2 жыл бұрын

Nice explanation. Yes, this would be a perfect (and still romantic) reason why she was not doing it the proper way.

I can see why as someone who actually knows how the tea ceremony is supposed to be that this rendition would take you out of the story. It seems to me like the two characters were kids playing make believe on the ceremony w/o knowing the full ritual. The girl is young, would she know the full ritual? Or would she just know certain parts, and wanted to do something nice for her gaijin boyfriend without knowing all the ritual.

@barnowl012001

2 жыл бұрын

I think it had more to the script writer and director who proposed the idea of a Tea Ceremony between the main character and his love interest, without actually knowing how to perform the actual ceremony correctly and probably converged everything they could find from their research in order to fit it in the movie

@jennacreighton8432

2 жыл бұрын

@@barnowl012001 That and “cinematic”/“dramatic” reasons probably. Like the slow stirring instead of the fast stirring.

@Keyee1

2 жыл бұрын

Margie A., That basically was my comment. It was a film.

Honestly, nothing tops the original movie, especially for that raw, undistilled 80s energy.

@QuesoGr7

2 жыл бұрын

This

Man, I knew nothing about the tea ceremony, but after watching this video, I kinda learned a lot! Also, the review was really fun.

Karate Kid was what started my love of things Japanese. Looking back, it is kind of rough, but fond memories help me get over it.

@ClaudeS39

2 жыл бұрын

Same! I began watching more Japanese fashion and movies after this film.

Important context is that the scene was more about the teens imitating the intimate tea ceremony they witnessed between Miyagi and Yukie earlier in the movie and Kumiko is still learning a lot of the traditional ceremonies. Also some of the visual inaccuracies, such as pouring the powder from high up, would have happened due to direction.

@christennelyons947

2 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely correct. It's the same point I was thinking and I study tea ceremony as well.

Not a tea ceremony scene, but I would like to hear your thought on both "Memoirs of Geisha" and "Maiko-san Chi no Makanai-san" (Kiyo in Kyoto).

Im not sure if there is a tea ceremony in it but I'd love if you could do a review of the game "Ghost of Tsushima" and talk about its historical accuracy.

@ivancamacho9581

2 жыл бұрын

same here

@LaughingOwlKiller

2 жыл бұрын

In short....not much is accurate to the time. The samurai are shown how we know them best during the feudal era....but that was hundreds of years later than Ghost of Tsumisha.

@R13BT

2 жыл бұрын

@@LaughingOwlKiller true dat. even the sword is anachronistic. not to mention the wardrobe, armor etc.

I always saw this part of the movie as, the village was basically being overrun by the military base and corporation the older protagonist ran and they were losing their traditions and memories of them, i.e. the dancing, location of the festival, and smaller traditions such as the tea ceremony. So I think she was learning from an elder who may have lost some of the traditions as well while training her, but that's just my interpretation.

It's a hollywood production, so as a westerner I didn't expect full accuracy. That said, it's an endearing and intriguing scene in the film. Even if done incorrectly, it shows the viewer that the procedure seems to be very deliberate, and I remember that it made me curious about actual tea ceremonies back when I saw it first time as a child. So, I think there's some merit to it, despite glaring misunderstandings. If the end result makes the viewer fascinated and interested to learn more, then that's a win, right? 😊

Shogo: You do not kiss the guest during a proper Tea Ceremony.

Shogo you missed the point of the scene. Its not about accuracy, it was about copying the elders and doing it in a fantasy of love. Comparing this scene to a proper tea ceremony is like comparing the last samurai movie with reality. As you said if doing it for a friend you can do it however you want.she was doing it for a friend in a display of love, not to do a perfect by the booktea ceremony.

This was so informative! I can clearly see how Americanized this was in the film now 😂 that being said this was one of the films that first started my interest in the Japanese culture. Funny how just a little bit of exposure can make such a big difference. Great video as always 👌🏿❤️

Your channel has come a long way in a very short time! Congratulations!

I know you've talked a bit about yakuza in the past, but I'd love to see your thoughts on Yakuza Zero, particularly the way the yakuza is portrayed in the game vs how they were or were perceived in real life.

I love that there are so many rules to a tea ceremony. In the UK we just boil the kettle and put a tea bag in each cup.

@CookieMonster1390

Жыл бұрын

there’s a difference between “making tea” and “tea ceremony” even in Japan….

I missed this series of videos! This was both entertaining and informative.

I learned a lot, thank you to all the participants! Love the genuine reactions!

As a westerner moving to Japan, if im ever invited to a tea ceremony, what should I wear? In fact, could you give us examples on what to wear on different occasions?

A while ago, I saw another video talking about misconceptions of Japanese culture, and the discussion came up about how a lot of us westerners have the impression that it's polite to slurp your ramen because it shows appreciation to the chef. The person making the video was Japanese and had never heard of it, and they weren't sure where it came from--if Japanese people slurp their ramen it's more to aerate the broth in your mouth, they said. But watching this video, I'm wondering if perhaps the ramen misconception was carried over from the tea ceremony, where it seems like it IS polite to make a slurping noise with the tea to show appreciation--just like the ramen thing. Even if I'm off with my guess here, it was so interesting to watch this video and I learned a lot!!

I love this 80's movie and this is one of the factor that i started to learn Japanese culture from this film ,, eventually there's a few missleading on it..

I listen to Shogo's channel while I study. I dont know why but I think the pace of his content is calming and I learn a lot of neat cultural stuff you cant find anywhere else!

@LetsaskShogo

2 жыл бұрын

I'm really happy you say so!

Although you can say that the scene was filmed by Americans and thus is not authentically written, could any Japanese citizen see the scene as two teenagers having fun? Cause there are a lot of hints where Kimiko was anxious and thus was not accurate to the ceremony’s usual practice. And Daniel was confused but then putts together the pieces once the supposed ceremony was over. I learned a lot of stuff from this video. But I have to know whether or not it was the righters choice to make the scene more charming, Or if it’s just a mistake on the director’s behalf.

@DSan-kl2yc

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking something similar. She's just a kid in story. In a small town in Okinawa. I'd almost call it a backwater type place. Of course, it was also harder for a low medium budget movie filmed in the US, almost 30+ years ago. But I wonder if the average Japanese person would have noticed that much. There's probably other reasons why it's reviewed so low.

I LOVED THIS!! THANK YOU!

Thanks for the video Shogo!

I just recently found your channel and I’ve binge watched so many videos. Thank you for the great content.

I absolutely loved this reaction ❤️

I love matcha! I order it directly from Japan including green teas. Thanks for this information on tea ceremonies. Congratulations on your 700,thousand🥳🥳🥳

Thank you for another great video!

You all make me fall in love with tea ceremonies even more! How I wish I could go to one now! Even more, match is becoming super widespread in the states- or at least where I live, along with boba. We even have some shops that just serve matcha in a bunch of ways like milk teas, blended drinks, and ice cream sundaes! I would love if a more “proper” matcha tea house opened up. I’d be there all the time! Haha.

You guys are amazing. Even though I'm not Japanese at all, I thoroughly enjoy learning about your culture. Thanks for all the great videos!

really loved this. if you can, do more of these, Shogo! ☺☺☺

I love learning about different cultures, thank you.

I luv you videos. The fact I can learn and laugh at the same time makes you a great teacher. I'm sure I can learn about these things a different way, but it wouldn't be as fun. Thank u

Thank you so much for your experience and time :)

I found this so endearing and I learned sooo much

I only know a little bit of the tea ceremony so it was very interesting to hear you guys talk about it in such great detail!! Thank you so very much for sharing this with us! ^-^ I would love to hear/see you guys react to Memoirs of a Geisha because there is so many cultural aspects of the film-from dancing, clothing, make-up, and serving- there is a wealth of topics to talk about there!

Exactly it was just a teens hormonic, romantic scene... "A perfect 🍵 ceremony" for the occasion

Thank you for you videos, there're really useful and informative to learn about Japanese Culture in different angles, I'm currently learning Japanese Language to understand Japan more deeper. keep up 🎌💖.

Yes shugo! this is the vedio I was talking about, oh thank you so much for this video, it's me kenjutsu sparring, big thank you to you and all the team, I'm very greatfull for this...どうもありがとうございました✨ 👌🤩🙏

This really was very interesting, Arigatō

Awsome, I love this movie, to me it is almost as important as „Shogun“ the Mini series based on James Clavel‘s novel. It is amazing how much thought goes into the simple act of pouring hot water into the bowl. A Sensei once told me not to pour the water on top of the matcha because „no one likes boiling water poured on top of your head“ and rather let the water run along the chasenzure so it circles around the matcha in the middle and soaks it from below. Also I heard it will additionally cool the water by a few degrees so it is not too hot to destroy the taste.

@sparkofcuriousity

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Karl, have you seen any Akira Kurosawa movies? Particularly the seven samurai?

@karlgustav9960

2 жыл бұрын

@@sparkofcuriousity yes of course, but only after I started Japanology at university. Karate Kid and Shogun I watched as kid/young teen :-)

The main reason for the tea Ceromony was to replicate what komiko and Daniel saw Mr Miyagi and Yukiea doing after they retuned from sightseeing... Daniel questioned KOmiko about whether or not if she was arranged for a potential marriage but Komiko admitted it was an old custom in Okinawa to the Tea Ceramoney was a representation of them falling in love and probably much more behind closed doors... also their village was a poor fishing village and that shack was literally just aluminum siding and roof. attached to a wood flooring foundation.

@barnowl012001

2 жыл бұрын

Hey shogo. Thank you for the like on my comment. This movie was my childhood which then turned into the actual Martial Arts. and eventually became my enfluence to japanese culture.

Kumiko-sama introduced an entire generation to tea ceremony.

Very fun critique based upon your expert training and perspective. Tamlyn Tomita has been a friend of mine since HIGH SCHOOL!!! Your comments are fair, but Hollywood has put a lot of constraints on authentic representations of culture! Keep up the great videos!

@andrewcolinwilson1

2 жыл бұрын

Did you know that the part of Japan that Tamlyn Tomita comes from is Okinawa which is one of Japan's territories and is quite near to another part of Japan called Kagoshima which is on the mainland?

This is so interesting!!!

When I watched karate kid 2 I thought the tea ceremony was complex but now I know is even more complex.

This was a very entertaining review.

I like that you speak even the real problems. Love this channel

Awesome movie! Just rewatched it for the first time in a long time! 🤙🏻 :D

i think its lovely how it tells another story. all the best wishes from osutoria

I think the scene was meant to show a romantic moment, not neccesarily authenticity.

So interesting! In the UK those would not be considered long but makes total sense in context.

Aw I remember this scene Shogo! It was one of my favorites because of her fínese in prepping a cup of tea. I usually heat water and toss a bag in - done! 😆

I love your vids😁😁

I do happen to be curious about something. Since I have yet to determine if it's a topic you've already covered, I was curious about how common dancing might have been and what dances were done during and around the Sengoku Jidai, Edo and Meiji eras. I've been incredibly curious about social events like that.

😂 😂 Your so right about the tea scuping, it definitely would of blown away, the windows are open and there is a tsunami scene about to happen, truly wonderfull video guys thank you 🙏

Amazing work a million soon.

Insightful as always. I have seen bits and pieces of the ceremony; however, I have not seen the whole thing from start to finish. My understanding is that you would also be served exceedingly sweet foods to balance out the very bitter tea. If the tea was its standard bitterness, that would make this scene a lot more amusing. Am guessing the tea might have been substituted before he drank from the bowl.

Hello! I am planning on building a traditional/modern mixed tea house. I know you all did a lot of videos of tea ceremony (which were awesome!) but would you explain or make a video on how one is constructed? Maybe even visiting some tea houses and showing similarities and differences? Also would love to learn more about shishi-odoshi and koi? ❤️thanks for your time and any advice is appreciated!😊

love this video!!, in all videos i learn more about japanese culture and tea ceremony 💗😆🍵 it was really funny to listen all the team opinions and polite observations. hehehe!! even little Daniel cant scape from you guys 😆 🏃🏻🏃🏻‍♀️🏃🏻‍♀️

There is a tea ceremony in Shogun, the 1980 version with Mifune and Richard Chamberlain. It showed a lot of the preparation before the ceremony itself. I would love to see your thoughts on that

Daniel wouldn't know the traditions expected from such a ceremony as that was his 1st experience

An amazing video as always! I have a question! Can you cover the history and development in putting patterns into Kimono and other items?

I never watched that movie but I really liked this informational video. 🇨🇦💙🇯🇵

Modern schools place the chashaku always face down on the chawan. Some older daimyo styles follow Rikyu: face up at the beginning, face down at the end.

interesting. didn't know this. thanks shogo.

Hi Shogo, the correct English pronunciation for the word iron phonetically sounds like 'eye-urn' rather than 'eye-ron'. Really enjoyed the video, thank you

I think its also fair to note that slurping or making sounds while eating or drinking is considered rude in many other countries.

You should just be happy that these movies got a lot of Westerners into Japanese martial arts and made them interested in the tea ceremony. I studied Karate and Aikido when younger and these movies helped me do that or at least become interested in the culture

Maybe just call it a tea party instead of a tea ceremony 🤣

Keep up mr Shogo im a fan from greece and i love your vids

Would love to see you react to the tea scenes in Shogun, or anything from Shogun really!

I think she undid her hair was as an opening for the kiss. It was sort of loosening up. And hair down is much more attractive.

My BA and MA paper include this topic and my gosh I had to watch all those terrible movies and write about all those cultural mistakes and sometimes it was soooo cringy 😂 the last horrible one I watched was "Ramen girl", absolutely hilarious and cringy 😂 But, thank you so, so much, your channel is so helpful and interesting - it's helping me a lot with my MA paper, but also with my Japanese studies in general and getting ready for my next trip to Japan.

@heidehho6191

2 жыл бұрын

As inaccurate as they are, they are still fun to watch they are cute movies

Do you have a review of the Shogun mini series? I coulndt find it. Really wanted to hear your thoughts, as its one of my favorite series about historical Japanese culture.

An interesting review

Great video. Could you two do a tea ceremony on video for us all?

For a 80s movie from the US, it was suprisingly accurate, actually. They didn't care much about details back then.

Since you mentioned it Shogo, there's a little scene in an anime called Skip Beat in episode 7, you don't get to see the washing after the person has drunk the tea, but you do see the preparation of the tea. If you do review it, you should start the clip when they say "action" and end it when he finishes drinking the tea, since the rest is the acting out of the scene they're filming and there'll be no further tea ceremony to examine. Also, I hope you're doing well (as much as possible) during this cold season. Hang in there!

Could you look at the tea ceremony from Samurai Jack S5E7

This is my favorite scene in that movie I've just re-watch it last year, I think you should give Kimiko a pass it is difficult to concentrate when somebody is watching you prepare things for them, Specially for the person you Like. I can't even remember how many times I've missed out while preparing coffee for my partner haha! But thanks' to you guys we've learned that a Tea ceremony is way more than what we could see in a movie. Your Videos are very informative..

Very nice Video, thank you for explaining me more about Japanese Tea Ceremony! Well since i saw this Movie as a Kid in cinema, this scene is for me one, if not THE most romantic scene in Cinema History! Im from Europe and at that time (late 80s) we had almost no possibilities to learn about different cultures, so this Movie was very impactful for me and all of my friends and it was a first step for me to fall in love with Japanese culture! So even if the Karate Kid Movies where not that accurate, it still opened the Doors for getting a first glimpse into Japanese Culture for people all over the World. So i'm really happy when young people who watch now those Movies, are not to harsh with them... Also as a little excuse for the Scene, when i later in my life heard that this scene was not that accurate i always thought that maybe Kumiko was also not so familiar with the correct rules of the Tee Ceremony but tried just her best to impress Daniel and it just worked wonderfully. 😀

One thing I'd love for you all to talk about is the architecture of traditional tea houses. Recently I was browsing architecture design online and I stumbled across a picture of a front door for a tea house. Boy, was I shocked at how small it was! If y'all could go more in depth about the layout and reasoning for designing tea houses a certain way I'd dig that. :P

This was always my favorite movie in the trilogy! Thanks to KK2 I learned about the tea ceremony and the O-Bon festival!!

*Wonderful video my friend! I really enjoyed it! I subscribed to your amazing channel!* 😊😊🙏🙏✅✅

That urushi e box is beautiful

My sensei when I learned tea ceremony is just as serious as my other sensei in teaching martial arts. Both of them have high regard for precise rituals. ⛩️🙏

Matcha coloured Yukata! Nice 💚

The intro music of the ceremony sounds like Merry Christmas Mister Lawrence.. Your perspective on that would be interesting.

Could you both do a bunch of Hollywood movies that have Japan settings/ characters and react to them? Would be interesting.

that was fun

i'm italiano grazie per questo video. thank you for this video

U mentioned slurping in ur video. I noticed that when I visited OKinawa back the early 90’s slurping was done while eating but my wife’s friend who is from Osaka told us that slurping was not something that is done. Could u elaborate or make a video this Shogo? Ty u have a great channel. 👍🏻

After so many years... Now I know!

I'm really interested in the idea of you reviewing a movie like Hidden Fortress or 13 Assassins or whatever it was called.