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@HerzogVonMartian

4 күн бұрын

you are so full of shite here dude holy crap, you are like Vaush pandering to a group of viewers. it's not even subtle

A woman is someone whose name starts with a D and ends with a Y.

@fads90

8 күн бұрын

Dorothy?

@dr.d3011

8 күн бұрын

And rhymes with restiny

@erikkovacs3097

8 күн бұрын

Daisy?

@enlightenednormie242

8 күн бұрын

Dory?

@orphancrippler9526

8 күн бұрын

@@dr.d3011 Actually it rhymes with Zestiny

Woman here, I am a destiny.

@sheevpalpatine8243

8 күн бұрын

name drop??!?!!?!??!

@tajlokovsek8105

8 күн бұрын

fascts

@Bai_Su_Zhen

8 күн бұрын

Perfect answer. Anything else you wanna answer to?

@fyka2902

8 күн бұрын

That sounds about right.

@SaskDuder

8 күн бұрын

Hi woman, I'm destiny

This "words don't have meanings" charade is tiresome. It's been accepted for WELL over 30 years that a "woman" is a featherless biped.

@steelnutz7464

6 күн бұрын

That's a man. Women are actually defective men according to Aristotle because they can't even produce seed and are merely a vessel for life creation. Virgin modern semantics vs based ancient empiricism.

@JamieD1233

6 күн бұрын

Im currently plucking a chicken

@Christpuncher138

5 күн бұрын

Or a woman? ​@@JamieD1233

@kevinjensen2071

4 күн бұрын

The entire mammalian kingdom is sexually dimorphic. Just because some male ape comes along and makes a noise like “I’m a woman” doesn’t actually mean anything other than apes make noises in real time.

@commissarkitty3553

4 күн бұрын

Keep that same eregy when someone uses the "R or N word", or makes a transphobic joke like our fellow woman Destiny here. All of the sudden those "words" have very solid grounded non nuanced meanings, but the ones that make out the lefties to look like delusional "R-word" are magically complex to hard to define mysterious terms for the unintelligent masses.

Jordan Peterson was like 1.5% of this video lol

@sathrielsatanson666

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, August is clickbaiting hard.

@MotiMota15

6 күн бұрын

​@@sathrielsatanson666 he is just doing his job

@NoobieToob

6 күн бұрын

@@MotiMota15 I thought August was a woman's name.

@GiltleyRage

6 күн бұрын

The JP spirit was definitely strong here though xD

@duncanwalla7014

6 күн бұрын

It’s hard for him to talk a lot about someone he agrees with. The rest is him sifting through garbage.

Destiny is banned from twitch for a “transphobic take” for years while Sneako has already been unbanned btw!

@4c6f

8 күн бұрын

Pretty sure Destiny was banned for showing Nick Fuentes on stream who was already banned.

@cheatyhotbeef2636

8 күн бұрын

@@4c6f your timelime is wrong, he was banned 6 months prior to interacting with Fuentes and taking his audience from him.

@DCDragon

8 күн бұрын

Yes we should bring Destiny back! However that would put him in danger of getting banned again. He would be a target of the Hassan Piker cult, the Demins mafia, and the KaceyTron cartel

@cillblinton8181

8 күн бұрын

its probably because destiny isnt actively appealing whereas sneako did.

@DurzoHighwind

8 күн бұрын

The only woman who stayed banned is Destiny

“All you have to do is cross the Mexican border, and it’s Aqua” - Vaush

@Mant111

8 күн бұрын

"All I have to do is remove Adult and Human, then it's tautological" -Destiny

@NoxMysteriumTV

8 күн бұрын

El Vaush strikes again

@MisterS.

8 күн бұрын

​@@Mant111and replace female with woman! Conservatives destroyed with facts and logic.

@procrastinatingpuma

8 күн бұрын

​@Mant111 yeah if you removed the parts that don't give us meaningful information sure.

@zachtalkssmack4470

8 күн бұрын

Bro 100% destiny sounded just like Vaush at 28:00

I genuinely don't understand this. Our perceptions don't make someone a man or a woman. If I dress up as a woman, I might look like a woman and people might accidentally call me a woman, but I'm not a woman, right? I will still be nice enough to call someone who likes a woman a she or a her, but at the end, she's not a woman.

@Jay-kx4jf

8 күн бұрын

I think the best way to understand this, is to genuinely ask yourself socratically, "What is a chair?" Without the social dancing, just by yourself, curiously. You'll likely not reach a conclusion. But you'll gain the insight that helps this understanding Or if you're lazy watch a cogsci lecture series.

@darkwolf4434

8 күн бұрын

That's the distinction between sex and gender.

@jaybrosbarber2751

8 күн бұрын

But it kinda does. If every single person in the world looked at someone, and agreed that they are a woman, then why wouldn't they be a woman. The exact meaning of words in a public setting is decided by how people use that word.

@DurzoHighwind

8 күн бұрын

@@Jay-kx4jf or not, because it isn't that complicated

@jaybrosbarber2751

8 күн бұрын

The category "women" would just come to include that person and people who are similar.

what is a strawberry? -aw shit man let me explain you the concept of language

@Yvs8962

Күн бұрын

Seriously this was such an L video from Destiny Im afraid 💀

Destiny: I want to have a conversation with an intelligent person Also Destiny: *shows up on Hodge Twins*

@Copemaxer

8 күн бұрын

That’s more of a publicity move

@UltraEgoMc

8 күн бұрын

Destiny can’t define women tho 😂

@Copemaxer

8 күн бұрын

@@UltraEgoMc Well he has. As he did on the podcast

@jamese5936

8 күн бұрын

I actually respect that. It may seem crazy to you, but people on that side of Politics are just as firm in their beliefs/ ideology as you are in yours. So cross-over matters because in those situations only the truly intelligent position can win the majority. Of course, there will always be the minority that won't care about reason.

@Macheako

8 күн бұрын

Trust me, you wouldn’t be any better ❤

Destiny tries to rationalize his way out of having a girls name

@blackguys-

8 күн бұрын

LMAO

@bhf39

8 күн бұрын

But isn’t Betty a woman’s name

@Womp084

7 күн бұрын

Stephen is a hot girl's name.

@MrMango331

7 күн бұрын

@@Womp084 black queen name

@chron0s562

5 күн бұрын

Male and female are reproductive strategies. Everything past that is a secondary trait to accomplish the main reproductive goal.

Destiny married twice and still dosnt know what a woman is

@Hadoichi

6 күн бұрын

"Two time divorce champion" lol

@user-ui5bo5um7n

3 күн бұрын

@@Hadoichi Divorstiny

Imagine asking Destiny to put something on the table. He wouldn't know what to do, since most things could be used as a table.

This whole video is just Destiny denying that he's a strong black woman.

@JinJiyanAzadii

8 күн бұрын

😭

@Levi_OP

8 күн бұрын

These kinds of comments were banned sir.

@viola308

8 күн бұрын

​@@Levi_OP um, you're chinese

@markstriker925

8 күн бұрын

And also a high value woman at that too.

@joshualsquires

8 күн бұрын

Lol, smh.

If someone disguises a cat well enough as a dog without my knowledge, and I then see this "dog" and describe it as a dog to a third party, I am going off of all of the signifiers that led me to identify it as a dog and I am attempting to convey the idea that what I observed was a dog to a third party, all without doing hard scientific analysis that would confirm what I've actually seen. All I'm communicating to the third party is that I observed all the commonly held signifiers of "dogness" in this entity I have described as a dog. That cat is still not a dog.

@kangaroomax8198

8 күн бұрын

Just because you wear a really good costume, doesn't mean you intrinsically are the thing you costume yourself as.

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 күн бұрын

This is transphobic

@user-wk2vq9no4q

8 күн бұрын

Can you do this with the word pet instead of dog?

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 күн бұрын

I think it's good to be against transphobia

@totallynotadiscoball5745

8 күн бұрын

@@kangaroomax8198 I'm genuinely curious, why not? Is your sense of self beforehand any more "yourself" than the costume you put on?

Destiny: I want to have a conversation with an intelligent person Also Destiny: asks chat what a tree is

Society didn't see chromosomes a thousand years ago, but they say penises, vaginas, breast, birth, differences in physical strength, periods, ect. Things that they associated with man or women, male or female.

@Jay-kx4jf

8 күн бұрын

Over 1000s of years more and more stuff got built on. Why don't you wear dresses now when the men in the past did? Why don't you wear make up and heels when men used to do it? Aren't you further away from them from the original source?

@-Skratch-

8 күн бұрын

@@Jay-kx4jf They didn't.

@jijijijijiji44

8 күн бұрын

​@@Jay-kx4jf Did those things change the man or woman? Did men stop being men once they used dresses of makeup? Did women change as a group once they became housekeepers? This Talk about social cues doesnt Matter because through history men werent treated like women or women like men just because they changed what they socially did. The natural groups of man or woman have Never been mixed. In fact, when you use the fact that men used makeup you are reinforcing the basic classification that men, people born with a penis, used makeup in a point of time. Through all of human history, you could and can see sex. The social characteristics of men and women have changed, but the natural group of men and women have never changed.

@Bradley_Lute

8 күн бұрын

Yes, but there have always been people who are much more ambiguous for human comfort. Men who have fat deposits and dispositions that are are typically feminine and vice versa. Even before hormones and surgery, there is something very different going on. Take a brain scan and the brain has the appearance of the gender the person identifies with. It's clearly not just chromosomal sex that creates a man or a woman. It doesn't even guarantee a male or female.

@silverdeathgamer2907

8 күн бұрын

@@-Skratch- It was quite common in the past for male nobles to wear makeup during court appearances.

A woman is someone who makes good sandwiches

@samanthasmith733

8 күн бұрын

Based

@shmoo42

8 күн бұрын

You're godamn right that's why I make the best sandwiches

@drockopotamus1

8 күн бұрын

@@shmoo42 🥪😍

@dominicekezie2011

8 күн бұрын

@@shmoo42 make me one, shorty

@asimhussain8716

8 күн бұрын

No lies here.

If you take her over the border of Mexico she becomes Senora..

I've never seen someone defend a weird position for an hour because they wont accept the answer is simple.

@senatordodo4240

8 күн бұрын

What is the simple answer?

@stakahz4513

8 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240A woman is a an adult human with XX chromosomes(female).

@senatordodo4240

8 күн бұрын

@@stakahz4513 how did people know to refer to a woman as a woman before they understood the concept of what a "female" is?

@stakahz4513

8 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240 If you have a penis you are a man, if you have a vagina you are a women is typically how it would have gone down. Or you can look at any of the other 100 features that differentiate them. You don’t need to have an understanding of chromosomes to make that observation. The genitals or masculine/feminine physical features you present are still ultimately dependent on your chromosomes. That’s why when someone transitions into a woman they are ultimately trying to replicate the natural form of someone with XX chromosomes, whether they even know it or not.

@hmkhgx8068

8 күн бұрын

​@stakahz4513 OK so a person can identify a woman without looking at a woman's chromosomes. So chromosomes arent actually necessary in the normal persons definition of woman. In fact a person can identify a woman in a single glance in miliseconds. A person has no ability to look at a womans chromosomes or whether they have a vagina. But they can still identify a woman in a single glance. And if a man is small and more feminine looking and puts on womans clothes a person can mistake him for a woman, BUT the man does not become a woman just because a person percieves him as such. Hold on. A woman exists as a concept with features like xx chromosomes but that is not the definition of woman most people are using. People can just tell on a glance. So what if the definition of woman people use is not the same as the actual definition of woman. So there is a concept in peoples mind of what a woman is and then there is what a woman actually is(xx chromosomes) So hypothetically(for the sake of the argument) lets say we named the concept of what a woman or man is in peoples minds as "gender" and what if we named the actual definition of woman as "sex". Do you understand?

I'm pretty sure I've heard Ben Shapiro say that in private he uses preferred pronouns, but in public he has to use biological pronouns because otherwise people try to use it to invalidate all his other trans-related political stances for example that biological men shouldn't be able to compete against biological women in segregated sports leagues. If you want an infallible answer to what a woman is where people don't retort with "well actually some women don't have-" it's just a human with large gametes. There's no female creature on the planet that doesn't have large gametes relative to male creatures who have small gametes.

@cayladodd9216

4 күн бұрын

Tf is a biological pronoun lol

@Kyotosomo

4 күн бұрын

@cayladodd9216 Your original pronouns based off your biological sex.

@Light-lp8rn

3 күн бұрын

*I don't think Destiny was making a good point here* I think some people use the preferred pronouns, of people in the media, and then say the biological sex to correct themselves, because they've heard that person be referred to as their non biological sex, so many times, so it's stuck in their head. *It would be like if the whole media kept referring to a famous transgender Crocodile as she* when it was in fact male, the same people would slip up, and call it she, not because they think the crocodile actually looks or exhibits as a female in anyway, but just because the way so many other people refer to the crocodile has got stuck in their head.

Ben Shapiro explained that he would use the pronouns they identify as to be respectful. But if he's talking scientifically, he has no problem saying male or female. He explains this in that episode.

@hardphlex

8 күн бұрын

but nobody is talking about male and female. gender presentation is a different thing

@supersniffer9632

8 күн бұрын

Then why does he keep "correcting himself." If he has no problem personally calling them their preferred pronouns why does he act like it's a mistake whenever he does so.

@mbrown7325

8 күн бұрын

@@hardphlexit’s a different thing until you start whipping out “trans women are women” then it’s not.

@TheMiddiefrosh

8 күн бұрын

What people are isn't determined by male or female, because the social signifiers and behaviors are clearly the things that we look for and base it on, as evidenced by the clips. People intuitively make judgement calls based on those things, not genitals, reproductive organs, or chromosomes.

@arnekrug939

8 күн бұрын

Science doesn't prescribe pronouns though.

Destiny is a womans name. Destiny is a woman.

@user-ui5bo5um7n

3 күн бұрын

Socrates: Yes.

destiny: what is a woman = Jordan peterson: do you believe in god

@user-ui5bo5um7n

7 күн бұрын

True XD

@tenaciousdfan9

7 күн бұрын

lol

@Johnnysmithy24

5 күн бұрын

LITERALLY

@zer0nix

5 күн бұрын

The transes are changing language but also all athiests believe in God and all art vibes from god

@loyh5269

2 күн бұрын

lmao

It's infuriating when the same people who say "be a man" refuse to understand that gender is a social construct.

@NineSeptims

7 күн бұрын

gender is a social construct but understand that it is inextricably linked and derived from biologically ingrained nature. A man may be effeminate but is still a male. A woman may show masculine qualities but is still a female. You may feel you are B but you will always be A.

Is Destiny trying to convince me I’m stupid because I think woman implies adult human female

@Justin-lr6yf

8 күн бұрын

No, it's that if you think that chromosomes is actually the method used to determine gender. Heres a question, imagine a woman you've seen today in public. If they were a man you wouldn't treat them like one whether you knew or not. Why is that?

@plet774

8 күн бұрын

@@Justin-lr6yf I don’t understand your question. If I saw a woman would I treat a man the same way?

@pater1833

8 күн бұрын

he’s saying it’s a circular definition, “a woman is an adult female” you’re just saying a woman is a woman great job. There’s clearly more to the question “what is a women?” when these commentators ask this question, he’s just saying why not argue reasons why you think trans people shouldn’t exist or trans people are bad for society instead of asking this pointless question

@plet774

8 күн бұрын

@@pater1833 how is that circular? A girl is a young female, a woman is an adult female. A female is the half of our biological sex’s that births children. I think you guys are delusional.

@ecxstasy347

8 күн бұрын

@@pater1833I don’t understand why he said it’s circular or a tautology, we use words to define other words. Saying a woman is an adult human female is meaningful and not circular because it implies that not all females belong to the human species, and girls (young females) aren’t women due to their age.

Destiny's right that there COULD be a valid alternative definition of "woman" based on social characteristics. The problem is trans activists always retreat from that definition back to the self-ID definition, which is circular and therefore meaningless. That actually is a fundamental problem with trans ideology, considering literally the whole point of language is to convey meaning.

@eClaireuwu

3 күн бұрын

Not familiar with trans ideology, but how do you personally define a man or woman? Do you think it's something we just intuit or do you think there's like a hard set of defining characteristics? (biologically, socially, etc)

@adlernelson285

3 күн бұрын

We use social and physical characteristics to determine whether someone is a man or a woman every single day. The chromosomal definition doesn't work because if you look into how chromosomes work, you'd understand that it's extremely complex. You might have XY chromosomes, but you then present as a female phenotypically. For instance, an experiment was done in 1953 where a scientist removed the gonads on rabbit fetuses and, regardless of whether they had the XX or XY chromosome, they all presented with the female phenotype. That means that they all had a vagina and a uterus.

@VTAcraft

3 күн бұрын

@adlernelson285 No one with an understanding of biology defines sex by chromosomes. It's based on which of the (2) reproductive systems an organism has.

@johnny4062

3 күн бұрын

​​@@adlernelson285You could use a gamete definition: A man is an adult human male. Further, a male is someone who, after puberty, would normally have the reproductive anatomy that would produce small gametes.

@adlernelson285

3 күн бұрын

@johnny4062 But these people don't want a definition that covers things most of the time; they want one that covers every possible situation. If a definition only applies some of the time, but not all, then there must be exceptions. Which is what a trans person is. I have no problem defining a man or woman as generally having XX or XY chromosomes, as well as generally presenting with a male or female phenotype, because then we could still have exceptions on the fringes. That's generally how biology works because nature does not care for categories. That is why a platypus is a mammal. That's why we don't really have an exact moment for when a certain species of ape became a different species of ape that we would call human.

Removing body parts don’t make you the opposite sex

@KsandrPann

4 күн бұрын

Did you come up with that all on your own?

oak trees exist. And maple trees are something different. If you decided that oak trees can be maple trees if you paint the leaves, that doesn’t change the fact that they’re oak trees. That’s the point.

@pookz3067

4 күн бұрын

Your point is demonstrates that the precision of your definition depends on the relevance of the differences. The whole Trans argument is that outside of some narrow contexts, biological sex is not very relevant, and that carving out exceptions for those contexts doesn’t cause untenable amounts of confusion. Your reductionism to formal definitions is not doable for most words in the English language (and, if linguists and philosophy/historians of language are to be trusted about why natural languages are like that, then this is a netadvantage for the language.

A woman is a female human. Have we really fallen this far?

@MV-oi5jl

5 күн бұрын

Mind you Destiny is still expecting us take him seriously.

@senatordodo4240

4 күн бұрын

If i walk down the street and see a human with specific features, traits and characteristics, im going to say "hey, look at that woman over there" despite not being able to see their genitalia or their chromosomes. How do i know that its a "woman" without knowing that its an "adult human female"?

@loganjackson675

4 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240 the fact that it is possible to misidentify something because of limited information doesn’t mean that the thing itself is changed or the category has a new definition. You’re observing aesthetic characteristics of a clothed person, which can be fairly accurate at deducing their gender, but far less so than maybe a whole physical evaluation or genetic testing would be. Your accuracy might not really matter on a normal interaction with a stranger, but it would be more important based on the relationship. Presenting as a woman in public might be different from being one in private, which is the difference between needing to clarify further than “woman” to a random on the streets and to a straight guy you’d like to date or hook up with. There are different levels to “passing” but ultimately trans women are going to have to clarify things that contradict what is simply assumed of women

@asargentb

3 күн бұрын

Are female kids women?

@MV-oi5jl

3 күн бұрын

@@asargentb they're girls who will grow up to be women. But you know that. This is not a legitimate debate. Even Destiny is pulling a Vanish here and acting like he's retarded on this issue. He's not.

The 'what is a woman?' question is asked to challenge the lie of 'transwomen are women'. That is exactly why women like me started asking the question. Sexual reproduction - where there are 2 sexes - is responsible for the evolution of complex life on earth. It has nothing whatsoever to do with language of humans. Just because you create words for the 2 sexes doesn't make them a social construct, which is up for debate on meaning. Sex is binary & immutable. It doesn't matter in most areas of life, but in the few areas where it does matter, pretending it doesn't harms women & girls.

@mjackson5912

6 күн бұрын

No serious group of people is arguing that the modern social construct of woman should override the definition or essence of biological women. There's some overlap, but they're clearly distinct concepts. When you say "biological woman" or "biological female", it's completely clear that you're referring to sex, XX chromosomes, and so on. Trans people themselves are very accepting of the fact that they're distinct from biological women.

Destiny seething about the what is a woman question is peak cope. The whole point of the question is that transgender ideology is reliant on taking basic concepts and making them convoluted because the underlying premises can't be derived from pure logic or observation. Is sex the best descriptor for womanhood? No, but it's something. The trans-position is reliant on simultaneously undermining and reaffirming traditional definitions of gender and that's shown when someone has to answer what a woman is. Destiny yapping about how complex language is while completely missing this only proves the point.

@loganjackson675

4 күн бұрын

@@Alibastard807 exactly, you can actually see how convoluted the language is by Destiny’s own strategy here. He’s obfuscating concepts, which previously he’s argued are obvious. He talks about the transgender sports debate or Vaush’s “aqua” quote as if he can clearly identify boys/girls and the way they grow, but now suddenly saying “female” to help define women is circular and language is muddled and impossible to pin down? The “using female to define woman is circular” point is actually sort of ironic because it assumes the traditional definition of woman, in that it’s essentially the same as biological sex and is synonymous with “woman.” Destiny here sounds like Jordan Peterson when he’s asked if he’s a Christian lol

Chatter: "You can still say a woman is xx chromosomes and admit that appearance can deceieve somone." Destiny: "Just admit you think trans people aren't real and should not have access to any healthcare" Now I see where vaush came from.

@billballinger5622

8 күн бұрын

He's such a slimeball isn't he

@LiiRAE.

8 күн бұрын

but that is the point they were making was it not? If they believe trans people are real then they already agree with destiny, the issue is that people don't think trans people are real.

@baconsarny-geddon8298

7 күн бұрын

"Just admit you think trans ppl aren't real,and don't deserve healthcare..." I'd have so much more respect for Destiny, if he just removed the words "you think" from that sentence... But the idea that (chemically OR surgically) mutilating 100% healthy body parts, using ZERO evidence-based diagnostic criteria, is somehow "healthcare" (ONLY in this one case, but no other) is utterly bizarre.

@Puzzlesocks

7 күн бұрын

@@LiiRAE. What do you mean by 'real' in this case? Also just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the replication crisis in psychology?

@user-ui5bo5um7n

3 күн бұрын

​@@LiiRAE. *" the issue is that people don't think trans people are real."* - Asking 'are trans people real' makes you sound stupid. They're real human beings that hold a belief about themselves that is incorrect.

15:30 As destiny becomes more frustrated with the content he's reacting to, he starts sounding more and more sarcastic when thanking donors in chat

@whatoh3407

8 күн бұрын

It's probably just a hassle to say thank you all the time. I'd hate it.

@Prod.CoreyGazit

6 күн бұрын

​@@whatoh3407bro if u get paid by each one u wouldn't hate it

"Marry one and find out" This is fallacious. You can't know who you're marrying is a woman without knowing what a woman is

No one would be ask what is a woman if activists didn’t proclaim trans woman are women.

There were 42,000 children diagnosed with gender disphoria is 2021 (3x the amount since 2017). Since then, the number of children who have been diagnosed with gender disphoria, and identify as trans is 300,000, over a 7x increase. 2% are on, specifically categorized as, "hormone blockers", 11% of children are on hormone therapy, which might have close to the same effects. thats 13% of 300,000 (39,000) children who might have detrimental life long effects. Matt was wrong, but in as little as 4 years, it might not be the case. I HAVE TO SAY THIS: Destiny: "why would nature create a category?" *acts belwildered* Well destiny, before humans were ever here, animals DID categorize other animals. as mates, rivals, prey, and predator, to list just a few. You're acting like without people there to witness and assess the things, that they arent anything. The concept of gravity existed long before man conceptualized it for ourselves. Those concepts are real and have actions, reactions, etc, even if people don't acknowledge them. Yes, i understand youre not saying those don't exist, but we are using words to communicate those real life things. I can't go around calling leaves rocks and expect anyone to either A) understand what i am talking about B) take me seriously C) be understanding when i try to shame them because theyre not holding my same view, and I find that harmful to my emotions (which i might categorize as assault) The "what is a woman" question is a simile/metaphor to "if you didn't eat breakfast this morning". Yes, dumb people can use both questions, and not grasp them, but that doesn't mean they arent a good way to gauge another person's ability to think logically, before trying to engage in an honest discussion. I don't feel like wasting time with someone that feels emotions are the end all be all. I see them as people who watch too much anime and think that if they just get upset enough, they can go supernova, and everyone around them will just except it, because, main character(syndrome). Destiny: "who is to distinguish a leaf from a branch" The people who use the language. that is why this trans issue is such a big deal for so many people. they feel its the deconstruction of our very basis of communication. As a liberal, i think the Left is awful about this. They constantly repurpose words, or use language to incite emotion, to complete goals. Youre making the perfect point for me, who is to say who says what is what, everyone, not the people trying to use peoples way to communicate with others as a weapon against them, while also trying to make them sound like the "better-than-thou" authority. BLM is the epitome of this.

@KsandrPann

4 күн бұрын

I think more children should be on hormone therapy

I'm starting to lose the thread here... is Destiny a woman's name or not?

@procrastinatingpuma

8 күн бұрын

yes

@drockopotamus1

8 күн бұрын

Just asked my sassy black friend. She said yes.

@kiwieggcreations

8 күн бұрын

Undoubtedly

@doooofus

8 күн бұрын

What is a woman's name?

@Womp084

7 күн бұрын

​@@doooofusWhat is a woman? It all comes back around.

Destiny: you cant see sex *p hub has entered the chat*

@johannesstephanusroos4969

7 күн бұрын

Lol

If 5 people get into a giraffe costume that's so real looking people think they're actually a giraffe, is it a giraffe or just 5 people in a costume?

@gaat_chris4960

7 күн бұрын

U sure gottem champ 🏆

@DynamicDandalf

7 күн бұрын

@@gaat_chris4960 I mean it makes sense. Things appearing different from what they are doesn't change the essence of what the thing is, only that you're not perceiving it correctly. We put way too much emphasis on changing definitions entirely rather simply adding extra information. Instead of saying "a trans woman is a woman" we could just say "a trans woman is a man, but due to social convenience and empathy for their condition we can refer to them as women when appropriate."

@viysnjor4811

7 күн бұрын

to the people who see it they're going to categorize it as a giraffe, yes. If it's *that* realistic then the difference is functionally meaningless. You could go "well akshually" to them and explain how this giraffe is composed, but you know the saying.. if it walks like a giraffe, and talks like a giraffe.. then it doesnt matter if it's actually 5 people inside to any observer.

@DynamicDandalf

7 күн бұрын

@@viysnjor4811 yeah but you are wrong, you just don't know it. Essentially the question is whether there's an inherent truth that exists outside of your perception

@viysnjor4811

7 күн бұрын

@@DynamicDandalf well no, the question is what do *people* mean when they use language for everyday social interactions. We're not talking about writing textbooks or filling factoid blurbs.

I feel a bit like we're confusing two things, one how we use language, and what a thing actually are.

@jeffwells641

8 күн бұрын

Except here, most of what we care about what the thing "actually is" is directly tied to how we use language. Destiny is saying you should just come out and say you don't think trans people should be treated as women. That's an arguable position, and you should argue it if you believe that, rather than hiding behind ambiguous language.

@doomhand6360

8 күн бұрын

Except we don’t really know, what most of things actually are, on a fundamental level. Whatever you try to describe, might change the next day, based on our deeper understanding of the field in question. It really is a language question, not scientifical one.

@Galkatokk

8 күн бұрын

@@jeffwells641 "Except here, most of what we care about what the thing "actually is" is directly tied to how we use language." That's not true. The shorthand is a crude but necessary substitution for knowledge of the thing in itself. We cannot exist in a world where we need to constantly test our perceptions against reality, so the shorthand is substituted for knowledge of the things we perceive. In MOST social situations, the shorthand is substituted FOR PRACTICAL REASONS, but in principle the actual truth of the matter trumps the pragmatic shorthand. Want proof? Ask every lesbian who's confused a man for a butch woman about how her attraction suddenly vanishes when she learns the truth.

@jessie6600

8 күн бұрын

@@doomhand6360what a woman is isn’t gonna change tomorrow, bru. It hasn’t changed since humans became a species. Liberals think that “who does the dishes and cooks” defined a woman in the 50s. No, being a woman defined a woman. The cultural stuff changes but the physics don’t

@roundtabledetails3307

8 күн бұрын

@@doomhand6360 yes it will probably always be a language question, but wouldn't we want it to refer to something that is as close as possible to the fundamental level? and I kind of feel like that's what people are asking about

"what is a destiny?"

@user-ui5bo5um8m

8 күн бұрын

Well, it depends what you mean by a 'destiny'.

@Meece11

8 күн бұрын

A girls name

@abcoatings

8 күн бұрын

​@@HighFlyinBird90won't matter. He won't answer

@P0sitive_vibes_0nly

8 күн бұрын

A black human female

@thomaswalmsley8959

8 күн бұрын

​@@abcoatingsnah he'll answer, he'll just destroy the basis for his own political positions and not even realize it.

BIG Destiny L here. This sounds like Vaush’s aqua nonsense. Also Female is well defined in biology, there’s nothing vague about that definition. If we were to communicate telepathically without languages, we all know exactly the idea we’re communicating when referring to women. Forget about all the sophistry and focus on the concept being referred to. Just like how water aka H2O existed way before language and way before we could create sounds with our mouths to say it. The idea being expressed already existed, just like the idea being expressed by the words “adult human female” exist even without language. THAT idea is what we mean by Woman

All they need to do is ask what is a biological women, that's literally it.

Destiny definitely knows what is a woman

Isn't his entire argument an appeal to complexity fallacy? "An apple is a sandwich." _That's a categorical error, here are the properties of an apple, and here are the properties of the sandwich category._ "Language is complex, it's always evolving, words can mean anything because they're a social construct. Therefore you cannot refute that an apple is a sandwich." Notice that when people argue like this they always pick something that is very similar, which men and women are not. They always argue "is a hamburger a sandwich?" but never "is a pick up truck a sandwich?" even though if complexity is the only issue, a pickup truck COULD be a sandwich if everyone decided there was a definition of sandwich that included 4 wheeled vehicles with open cargo areas on the back. But to make matters worse, when people say "A T woman IS a woman" they're actually conceding there is this category of 'woman' that we all generally accept, in fact we put people into it every day, even progressives will just use it in a normal way without thinking. So they're not creating a completely different category for T women and biological females, they're just saying T women belong in the same group -- which is a category error. Furthermore, isn't "Just argue that T people don't exist" a straw man fallacy? I don't actually agree that people with gender dysphoria don't exist. I'm disputing your categorization, in the same way that I still believe apples exist, I'm simply disputing that they're sandwiches. This is why the question "What is a sandwich?" would be such a powerful question, if you believe an apple, or a truck, or a horse can be a sandwich, then your definition of sandwich basically becomes "The definition of sandwich is whatever I identify as a sandwich" which is circular, or at least meaningless -- and what are words without meaning?

@samanthasmith733

8 күн бұрын

I... literally could say it better myself lol. Summarized perfectly. 👍

@anthonyhiscox

8 күн бұрын

@@samanthasmith733 You literally "could" say it better yourself? How fcking dare you. 😉

@noahfletcher3019

8 күн бұрын

This is a topic Destiny simply cannot win. Not because hes bad a debating but because he is defending the indefensible.

@swordyshield

8 күн бұрын

okay so what is your definition of a woman? What part of that definition applies ONLY to biological woman which doesn't exclude rare cases? "I don't actually agree that people with gender dysphoria don't exist. I'm disputing your categorization" if you want to do this, agree that people with gender dysphoria exist and truly understand that, yet still refuse to call them a female/woman after they have gone through transitioning. Then you are just a shitty human, you are ignoring the many studies and scientific/psychological research indicating that it improves their quality of life. Just because you want to maintain some strict abstract "definition" despite the fact that absolutely nobody else in day to day life uses words with that precise of language. ""... Notice that when people argue like this they always pick something that is very similar, which men and women are not" you are right. Men and woman are not very similar, which is why someone who transitions is more aligned and is more similar to the sex they have transitioned into. At this point what is stopping you from just calling them a woman or a man? " but never "is a pick up truck a sandwich?"" I truly believe when you say things like this you are just intentionally obfuscating the language you use and the examples you pick. A man is not an orange and a woman is not a kangaroo. But man and woman are "humans" so comparing the differences/similarities makes a lot more sense. ", a pickup truck COULD be a sandwich if everyone decided there was a definition of sandwich that included 4 wheeled vehicles with open cargo areas on the back." yes that is how language works. If in 100 years pickup trucks are called sandwiches then a pickup truck according to our understanding is a sandwich. Words are only assigned meaning by how humans use them. There is no magical definition that sticks to a word/object and forces that thing to be defined as that forever. ""What is a sandwich?" would be such a powerful question, if you believe an apple, or a truck, or a horse can be a sandwich, then your definition of sandwich basically becomes "The definition of sandwich is whatever I identify as a sandwich" which is circular,or at least meaningless -- and what are words without meaning?" it's not what an individual thinks, it's what society thinks. Even you would agree despite arguing all of this that there is no definition of a woman which can include 100% of biologically born woman. So why so confidently refute that a trans woman can be a woman? What is the one part of the definition that changes the distinction? You are right that words are meaningless with meaning. Which is exactly why words are so weird. Throughout life when we see someone and decide to call them she or he, we decide based on characteristics that are not hard written down. If you see someone who looks like a woman you are going to call them a woman, if you then find out that they were born a man would you start calling them a man despite how they act, look etc all aligning more with how you view woman? " So they're not creating a completely different category for T women and biological females, they're just saying T women belong in the same group -- which is a category error." because as a society we do not have categories like this for gendering people. We (at least in english) use worlds like she,he,they when talking about people. There is no word to describe a trans she, it is just "she"

@anthonyhiscox

8 күн бұрын

@@noahfletcher3019 It is a wild hill to die on, considering his position on males in female sports. If we accept that the definition of woman now includes T women, then his objection boils down to "women should not be allowed in women's sports." Which is asinine. You would have to first change from "Women's sports" to "Female sports" and then make your objection, which hasn't happened. Also, he is bad at debating. He's a smart guy , which I think is what you meant to imply, but he often starts off with a position that he wants to be true and then tries to find arguments to fit that. When this fails he'll just spiral and start acting like his opponents are simply too st-pid to grapple with his brilliance. Reminds me of many religious people. Because centuries of philosophical arguments are baked into religion they can often stand on their own two feet for a lot of arguments, but then if you start to pin them down on something specific to their religion they will just spiral because they NEED the religion to be true. I don't NEED any of this to be true. If someone could prove to me that T women ARE women then I would accept that and move on. I have no religious or ideological basis grounding me to the position that they aren't.

Destiny is confused here. Words can change meaning. So we can make any word mean anything. But that doesnt mean the phenomenon behind the meaning changes.

@maxwellsdemon10

6 күн бұрын

I think you are confused here. Literally nobody argued about phenomenon changing. Everyone is in agreement about the facts of the matter, the question is, what the word "woman" refers to. Smugly saying it's simply "adult human female" is nothing short of intellectual capitulation.

@skylerblumenthal7003

6 күн бұрын

"words can change meaning" so why don't you think the meaning of the word "woman" can change?

@jasonu3741

5 күн бұрын

@@skylerblumenthal7003 100 years ago if two powerful men sat down and said "I have a daughter, you have a son lets combine our families and stop this conflict between them" could the man be referring to anything but daughter as a description of a biological woman? could the man be referring to anything but son as a description of a biological man? the point of language is to make communication possible. but what is being communicated by calling a biological woman a man? are different rights being invoked?

@krombopulos_michael

4 күн бұрын

​@@jasonu3741this is a pointless thing to bring up. It doesn't have to be 100 years ago, if someone today refers to their daughter, mother, sister, wife, etc. then 99+% of the time we know they mean they are referring to a cis female, because the reality is that trans and intersex people are a tiny minority of the population. The debate is not around what the most common understanding of a woman is, it's about the edge cases. This is like trying to debate the exact medical definition of when death occurs and using what some person means when they say their dad died as the the definition, while also ignoring the fact that 100+ years ago, the less sophisticated understanding of death meant people were sometimes buried alive.

@MensHominis

4 күн бұрын

Words do have meaning but if you genuinely believe every word is as clear-cut as the concept of “1”, you’ve been too lazy or uninterested to think about language your entire life. Which, as Destiny has pointed out, is fair, but you shouldn’t ask philosophical questions then. Most words aren’t physically exact; most words aren’t chemically exact; most words aren’t biologically exact. Do you think languages with grammatical gender use that gender to describe sex? Then never sit down on a German chair if you’re straight - because he’s masculine.

When I dress up as Superman on Halloween I’m a real superhero fighting crime.

@kims4333

6 күн бұрын

Superman is a made up story. Women actually exist. Crazy to grasp for those threatened by people just existing.

@Shad0wack

5 күн бұрын

@@kims4333 Your guru destiny is arguing that woman is also a made up story.

@kims4333

5 күн бұрын

@@Shad0wack You think a woman is "a made up story"? I rest my case.

@Shad0wack

5 күн бұрын

@@kims4333 Youre not very bright

@user-ui5bo5um7n

5 күн бұрын

@@kims4333 *"Superman is a made up story. Women actually exist"* - What relevance does that have to the analogy? If I said 'my coffee cup was blue like the sky' and you responded by saying 'no the sky isnt ceramic' it would be equally as braindead as your current response.

Nah even if I mistake a trans persons sex doesn’t mean they are that sex.

@MensHominis

4 күн бұрын

So you do think Ben mistook her sex in that video in which he was continuously talking about her being trans? That’s ridiculous.

@OvahZealous

3 күн бұрын

​@@MensHominis I believe he continuously misspoke. That's an option. No matter how many times I call a tortoise a turtle it's still a tortoise. I'm just wrong/misspeaking.

@c.karnstein3299

3 күн бұрын

​@MensHominis you realise saying a word doesn't make it objective reality? I can say a blue blanket is green every day for the rest of my life. Does it make it green?

@user-ui5bo5um7n

3 күн бұрын

​@@MensHominis *"So you do think Ben mistook her sex in that video in which he was continuously talking about her being trans? That’s ridiculous."* - I dont think that's ridiculous. He even corrected himself a few times. - Ben has also stated that he refers to people how they want to be referred to in his personal life [indulges their delusions] out of politeness, so it wouldnt be unreasonable for him to make this mistake. Human Female = Human with XX Chromosomes. Woman = Adult Human Female. She/Her = Pronouns used to describe Women.

@MensHominis

2 күн бұрын

@@user-ui5bo5um7n No, you can’t mistake a sex if you already know it. Except if you want to claim Benniboy has dementia. It was her social role, her gender, that was constantly overwriting his teeth-grinding attempt at artificially referring only to her biological sex. _That’s_ why he kept correcting himself. That’s also what he has said about using chosen pronouns: you’re wrong, at least to Blaire White he admitted that it would be _impractical_ to refer to a female-looking person in public as “him”. Then, too, he gave in to social utility because of a social role. He didn’t indulge trans folks’ wishes.

There’s women and then there’s transwomen. It’s completaly unarguable. The distinction is pretty clear. Anything other than that is beating around the bush regardless of what you feel to be true yourself.

@idontgetthejoke4813

8 күн бұрын

I agree in the sense that trans women are women but not all women are trans women.

@jessewhite2879

8 күн бұрын

@@idontgetthejoke4813 yeah but there’s a reason there has to be a distinction between them. Let’s say i wanna go on a date and a friend says he’s found a potential woman for me, and then i meet up and it turns out she has a d*ck 😳 I mean c’mon, you could have said she was a transwoman, you know what i mean?

@TheElitedeath

8 күн бұрын

If the difference is so obvious and unarguable, you would be fine with letting the adult human female who goes by the name of Buck Angel to be alone with your daughter in a restroom, right? The distinction is pretty clear, after all.

@JakeStarz.

8 күн бұрын

@@idontgetthejoke4813Transwomen are not women😂. They are transwomen, meaning their a man trying to act and look like a woman. See how words work?

@jessewhite2879

8 күн бұрын

@@TheElitedeath huh? That’s exactly what i’m indirectly saying tho lmao😂 That’s the reason transwomen should be called transwomen and not women. And also should not be able to share restrooms with women. You misunderstood everything i said lol, or am i missing something? Seems like you’re just arguing for my argument

Woman = adult human female is not circular unless you are saying that there is the same ambiguity around the word female as there now seems to be around the word woman. Otherwise it is a descriptive definition that you can use to tie woman to something concrete, which seems so hard for many to do.

@jamrollz

6 күн бұрын

There is the same ambiguity though. At least you see 'women' as ambiguous at all, which is a notion that 'what is a women' is trying to deny

@VTAcraft

3 күн бұрын

@@jamrollz There's literally zero ambiguity, unless you're claiming that you don't know what the word "female" refers to.

Isn't Destiny just doing the Vaush Agua meme that he was making fun of him for? Destiny is just talking about the word 'women' but everyone is talking about a biological female. Just like how Vaush said water isn't water because it's called 'Agua' in Mexico, when he was missing the whole point that H2O still exists without the word existing. Females and Males exist without the wording just like H2O...

@TheMarkSasuke64

8 күн бұрын

He addressed that before the end. Just poorly.

You realize destiny has not thought seriously about this for 5 minutes when he says woman is synonymous with female and female can't be explained.

@procrastinatingpuma

8 күн бұрын

Maybe you just have brain damage but Destiny doesnt say Female is undefinable, he says it just brings you to the exact same question you started with.

@uhok6712

8 күн бұрын

A woman is a female. “What is a female?” Well it’s a woman. Circular reasoning lol

@Galkatokk

8 күн бұрын

@@procrastinatingpuma Except it literally doesn't because female is NOT synonymous with Woman. There are female fish, we don't call those women.

@pmq123

8 күн бұрын

​@@Galkatokkyou are wrong in the most funny way.

@Galkatokk

8 күн бұрын

@@pmq123 Go ahead and explain.

Destiny really letting out his inner Vaush with this stupid "What is a woman" argument. Seemed like you could recognize the difference between man and woman pretty easily when debating about trans sports but when trying to correct right wingers on trans issues, all that goes out the window

@sepro5135

8 күн бұрын

Actually not at all. In the trans sports debate, it’s about wether they experienced puberty as a boy or a girl. If a boy were to transition at the age of 9 (hypothetically) it would most likely make sense to let the resulting girl play in woman’s sports in the future. It’s pretty easy actually

@drockopotamus1

8 күн бұрын

@@sepro5135 None of that is true at all, what are you talking about? lol there's no amount of puberty blockers or hormones that dumb down skeletal differences between males and females. You're doing the neil degrasse tyson pseudoscience approach to trans sports. There is no reality where trans women are on the same playing field as females. And there sure as hell isn't a reality where we're allowing children to medically transition that early. I say this as a BIPOC, bi, trans-ally. Do more research into this before spreading misinformation.

@mielipuolisiili7240

8 күн бұрын

If you thought that Destiny's argument with the trans sports stuff was that trans women would be men, your listening comprehension skills must be on the level of a toddler.

@SpikeJet2736

8 күн бұрын

@@sepro5135 the point is that he seemed to recognize that there are differences between the two and would even make fun of Vaush's "There's no such thing as water, in Mexico it's called aqua" argument but now he's acting like it's super complicated and hard to define. I don't usually see Destiny as a contrarian like alot of his critics claim he is but this time definitely felt like a contrarian moment to me. When he's arguing with leftists "Of course we can figure out what is a woman and what's a man and Neo pronouns are stupid" but when he's arguing with right wingers "well what is a woman? What's even a chair?" which again sounds like "water is aqua" to me

@Mant111

8 күн бұрын

@@sepro5135 Not really though, even transitioning at 9 doesn't remove all the advantages males have over females

- Peterson, do you believe in God? - Destiny, what is a woman? (sorry, I'm not a native speaker and I don't know English, but I think Destiny's answer about women is like answering Peterson about God: "What do you mean? Do you want to know which team I'm on?)

@johannesstephanusroos4969

7 күн бұрын

As much as I love Dr. Peterson, this is extremely accurate

@phantomggg

6 күн бұрын

Very accurate

Destiny literally made the faush argument with water, where “water” didn’t exist until we named it water. Just because something doesn’t have the same name or a name in general doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, male and female exist regardless of whatever you want to call it

@senatordodo4240

4 күн бұрын

That doesnt change how we use language. Things exist in the world without humans but the categories we give them through our definitions is simply based on the way we use language to convey concepts to each other. Whatever we call "water" existed before but "water" also refers to a lot of different things, including "h20" which is what most people think the definition is. We just came up with this category called "water" though for all these clear liquids with a certain range of taste, usually tasteless, etc. etc.

@VTAcraft

3 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240 This is true, but trans activists would need provide their alternative (non-circular) definition for the category of "woman" so that everyone knows what they're referring to when they use that word. They still haven't done that yet.

Wtf is this comment section 💀

@blondeenosauce9935

8 күн бұрын

a lot of right of centre people discovering that destiny actually doesn’t agree with them on everything

@DaFifaKid

8 күн бұрын

@@blondeenosauce9935 tbf destinys' arguments in this video are FUCKING DOGSHIT lmao the "waht is a woman" argument is moronic but destiny's reasoning and explanations in this video are legit fucking retarded

@GlassMelon

8 күн бұрын

Yeah. I was about to say these comments are actually cancer. 🫠

@PixelPenguin77

8 күн бұрын

I blame the redpill and post Oct 7 waves... Don't get me wrong, the Finklestein/Benny Morris/Israel trip are still the best content we've ever had. But the community has turned into dogwater for the past few months. I smell a purge incoming. Maybe after the next US elections? :copium:

@GyatRizzler69-of3wl

8 күн бұрын

Everyone realizing women are just sandwhich makers nothing more nothing less, finally some sense in DGG

you're wrong about the whole female and woman are synonymous... female is universally defined, even in the trades such as plumbing, as the part of a union where another part fits into... the male would be the part that fits into the female part, forming a union... go to any hardware store and you will see "male" and "female"...those descriptors aren't saying one of for boys and one of for girls rearrange your 1's and 0's

@Mant111

8 күн бұрын

He's not wrong, he's just lying. There's no way he doesn't know that the actual answer to the question is "Adult human female" and not just "female", yet he keeps pretending it's the latter and not the former. He's strawmanning the shit out of this. I would agree that if the answer was just "female" that wouldn't be correct since it would include beings like female cats, female dogs etc etc, but it's not. It's "Adult human female". Yet Destiny lies by pretending it's just "female" just so he can grandstand with his whole "wow! tautological!".

@random_bit

8 күн бұрын

Male female connector naming convention are as arbitrary as the terms male female. We could have named them A B and it would still work

@r_se

8 күн бұрын

@@Mant111 no? the reason he says its circular is because it's no more clear what a female is than a woman. you don't look at someone's chromosomes to check lol.

@Jankyito

8 күн бұрын

​@@Mant111you're fighting ghosts, when destiny says female he's obviously refering to human female. That's why he didn't say any of that dumb shit like ohh cats are female to. He criticized the lack of clarity between the word woman and the word female. Listen next time.

@Mant111

8 күн бұрын

@@Jankyito I did, you're wrong.

Did Destiny actually give his definition of woman? He yapped about it for an hour but never said what his definition is, only why he thinks adult human female is wrong.

Sex difference in sexual reproduction isn't some abstract category that only exists in the minds of humans. We experience the reality of sex differentiation as a product of the evolution of life on earth. Our word for it and our understanding of it may not represent the full reality of the thing in itself but we came to our understanding through observation and reproduction.

@good_ant

7 күн бұрын

When a male dog smells the pheremones of the female dog in heat, his body understands the reality of the fact of sexual reproduction. Most healthy animals seek to breed with their sexually reciprocal partners for the purpose of sexual reproduction. Male gametes and female gametes and the specific way they lead to the creation of new life, that was occurring in the universe before humans existed to witness it. Our conceptions and understanding of the categories may contain errors or be missing some critical undiscovered relation, but they are attempts of mapping on to the underlying structure of what is real. "Man" and "Woman" are not pure phantoms of the human mind. We experience and observed a distinction in reality and created a conceptual understanding of it using language. As time and knowledge progressed, we found new evidence and new ways of confirming some of our intuitions and assumptions about the differences between boys and girls, and discomfirming some others.

@nikk6435

2 күн бұрын

but nobody is arguing against biological realities. A trans man for example needs access to health checkups according to his biology of being born with a female reproductive system, unless he had a surgery. But men's public bathroom would be more acceptable for him socially, same as using male pronouns and a name. The whole debate is portrayed as transgender people aren't aware of biological facts, however they are WELL aware, in fact that is exactly the basis of their everyday struggle.

@good_ant

2 күн бұрын

​@@nikk6435 so why is there an issue with saying that a woman is defined as an adult human female?

@nikk6435

2 күн бұрын

@@good_ant Because as you’ve described in the second part of your message, the definition might not represent all the reality, or a nuance, but most importantly because this definition (without a nuance) is used to other people in the modern discourse. Women are often bullied for having masculine characteristics, many struggle with insecurities because of that. The ones who can’t conceive often feel like being not enough. Same with men, there’re many words used to degrade a man by indicating that he is like a woman. Society generally agrees that it is mean and offensive, however, when it comes to trans people it is acceptable for many to publicly bring them down. But what is a female? We are all female in the womb, until we start producing hormones. So, technically a man is a female that started producing testosterone. How is it different from someone who started having testosterone in their body later in life? Or someone who lost their ability to reproduce? Y chromosome is just an X chromosome that lost its tail millions of years ago, and it’s still shrinking, so millions of years from now it is possible there will be no Y chromosome at all. There’re cis men who have XX chromosomes and they don’t even know about it. Are they adult human females? In many cultures throughout our history there were multiple genders and it was seen as a norm to separate it from reproduction. Language is created by people who have the cultural power to do it, and now we use the definitions that didn’t account for some groups of people, due to their cultural invisibility, to continue excluding them. It’s like if I’m baking a pie and say I’m the only one who can eat this pie. When someone asks me, why can’t I have the pie? I say, see, it’s written here, only I can eat it.

Shouldn’t the word be “evoke” not “invoke”? Evoke is external and invoke is internal so if it’s in someone else’s mind then it would be evoke?

@john_paul_r

8 күн бұрын

I don't think "Evoke is external and invoke is internal" is necessarily true. I don't think "evoke" is wrong here. Actually, I think it fits as well or better than "invoke" for this usage (conjuring an image in someone's mind). But googling "evoke vs invoke" doesn't yield results relating to this "external/internal" distinction, and I've not personally heard the words used that way.

@jess_bounce

8 күн бұрын

That’s not a correct definition. But yes, it should be “evoke” when referencing bringing an image, thought, or feeling into your own mind or someone else’s mind. “Invoke” is used when someone calls upon something specific, often by name. Like a person, a book, a citation, etc.

@connorp3030

8 күн бұрын

🤓☝️

@john_paul_r

8 күн бұрын

@@connorp3030 begone. The entire video is about the nuances of language.

@TheWentzMachine

8 күн бұрын

@@connorp3030 bro why are you here?

So if I owned a metal detector it wouldn't detect metal if I didn't understand electromagnetism. Don't seek to complicate an already complex idea.

@Spencerwalker21

8 күн бұрын

I guess being fridge temp IQ is all you got.

@Raalitt

7 күн бұрын

Ah yes because physics and electromagnetism are exactly like the fluidity of language used to describe the broad category of social characteristics that we consider what being a woman is. Exactly the same. Yup.

@BenQ.-ys4kp

7 күн бұрын

@@Raalitt you can't change language just because you want to. there's nothing fluid about this, you guys just want to make an incoherent, nonsense definition.

@maxwellsdemon10

6 күн бұрын

⁠@@BenQ.-ys4kp I can't change language the way I want to? Language is literally always changing. How can you be that conservative, that you actually argue against the whole notion of change in language? Also who is actually changing a definition? There has never been a strict definition of the word, because there are no strict definitions of words that relate to real world objects (what is a chair?, etc.). The question is how we use the word and what we try to accomplish when we say these words. But I assume this discussion goes miles above your head, so just chill out, play with your toys and shut up when the adults talk about ideas and such.

@josephmother2659

6 күн бұрын

@@BenQ.-ys4kpyou actually can change language just because you want to. Nobody is going to shoot or maim you for calling a hamburger a hot dog. Words describe things and concepts, that’s it.

Am I dumb or is Destiny doing exactly what he criticizes Jordan Peterson for doing when Peterson is asked if he believes in God? I actually agree with Destiny, but it seems like a change in tone from when he listens to Peterson argue that it's not clear what is meant by "God".

@Rowe104

8 күн бұрын

That’s dead on- he literally hates Jordan for constantly trying to evade making definitive statements by getting stuck in the weeds defining terms in weird ways when everyone intuitively would kno what those words mean

@jacobm3461

8 күн бұрын

@@Rowe104 It seems like an even worse example too because the idea of God is so loaded with millennia of different connotations in different cultures. When he's on the HodgeTwins and says "that's a really hard question" it is so close to Jordan Peterson with Cosmic Skeptic that it's comical.

@PixelPenguin77

8 күн бұрын

the former

@jacobm3461

8 күн бұрын

@@PixelPenguin77 Maybe both?

@ExeErdna

8 күн бұрын

No, it shows you're listening very well

A woman is an adult human female. You aren’t saying that trans people are adult human females, you are just trying to redefine what woman means to society

Destiny about to argue why chimps actually are monkeys because people keep referring to chimps as monkeys.

@TimeattackGD

8 күн бұрын

within the idea of what a lot of people mean when they say "monkey", yes, chimps are actually monkeys, similarely to how humans can be considered "monkeys" in a broader sense. Amazing, you just understood what he was saying this entire time.

@mondoleems

8 күн бұрын

what is a monkey ANSWER THE QUESTION

@lret2070

8 күн бұрын

Monkey is a term we use to refer to a category of animal, if everyone decides chimps are the category we’re referring to when we say monkey, then a chimp is a monkey.

@kinggriffinhammer6834

8 күн бұрын

@@TimeattackGD that’s great, but it’s also fucking retarded. Destiny is an anti-realist about everything he doesn’t understand or can’t defend, and this video is the perfect example of that fact.

@Galkatokk

8 күн бұрын

@@TimeattackGD Completely incorrect. Humans are primates. Chimps are primates. Monkeys are primates. Humans and chimps are not monkeys, in any sense.

"They slipped up and used the wrong pronoun because deep down they know..." is such a shallow argument. The prospect of an imitation being compelling does not make you the actual thing you are imitating. Someone mistaking Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder as an actual black person obviously does not make him an actual african american, also it doesn't surprise me that your brain would slip up and use the pronoun in question when said pronoun is repeatedly said to you, your brain automatically fills in gaps when you are making sentences (especially on the spot) all the time. Instead of playing unnecessary word games and making yourself look stupid to normal people when you give a frankly bad answer to the WIAW question, just own that we can't change biology, but because of their mental health you should be courteous, it's really just that simple.

@bobwilliams4895

8 күн бұрын

You don't sacrifice reality to reinforce someone's self delusion. That's why we now have to deal with issues in sports, prisons, bathrooms etc.

@TheKornfeld

8 күн бұрын

Do you have any examples of someone repeatedly making a similar error? I've actually never heard an instance of anyone confusing Robert Downey Jr as a black person, so I assume you're just using that as a hypothetical. But do you have any comparable examples?

@ICavalcadeI

8 күн бұрын

They used the wrong pronoun because they're identifying the person they see before them as a woman. The person they're identifying identifies as a woman. So what third party is interfering here to say that they're not? What definition of woman are we using that only applies based on an invasive examination of one's genitals? And then eventually, these surgeries will get so good that visual inspection will not be good enough. Will we then get more granular and start taking DNA samples to find people only possessing the correct X or Y chromosomes? What about people who have genetic defects? What percentage of their somatic cells must have XX or XY for them to be considered a particular gender? It's a race to the bottom. The subjective experience of a woman is not something that we can accurately nail down with language, but it is a qualia that is meant to be experienced. And who are we to determine the kind of qualia any one person experiences?

@zeeutuber1315

8 күн бұрын

Do you question every single woman you meet if they're secretly a passing transwoman, or do you just assume they're probably female? How do you know every unknown black actor isn't secretly just a white guy in black face; Tropic Thunder was pretty convincing and if you didn't know who Robert Downey Jr was or see the credits then how would you know? Honestly the biggest question I have for you though is what do you think transwomen transition for, cause it's not because they literally think they are a biological women, they know they are biologically male lol

@gameplayerone3917

8 күн бұрын

It's always telling that when the conversation is about language and how we use it, people like you always say "unnecessary word games" completely missing the point. If something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. If we've advanced enough as a species to make such a transition, the same concept applies. The only reason why you think it's a shallow argument is because your level of thinking is shallow to begin with, as you're the type of person to call a pond shallow, just because you can't see the bottom, nor are humble enough to admit that you're just out of your depth.

So according to Destiny, the definition of a woman would be someone who presents as an adult human female, since the word is actually used to describe what we perceive rather than what is objectively true. If that’s the case, wouldn’t only passing trans people count as trans? So even if we grant the argument, it still doesn’t justify the conclusion that as long as someone identifies as a woman then they actually are a woman.

"Adult human female" is not a bad definition and it's not tautological. There are females of other species, there are female dogs, female whales, female cats whatever, but the name we give to human females who are also adults is "women." Why do you think that we haven't thought about this issue before? Maybe we have and we just came to the conclusion that "adult human female" is the only defintion that works.

If you went back in time and asked for water, but they didnt know water was H2O would they not know what you were asking for? Saying that ancient people wouldn't know what a woman was because they didnt know what chromosomes were is ridiculous.

@senatordodo4240

8 күн бұрын

yes exactly, thats why defining it as "adult human female" or "H20" doesnt actually encompass everything we think of when we say "water" or "woman" and people have been using the words without that definition for centuries

@jimgold2550

7 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240 When people used woman in the past, they were referring to adult human females, even if they didn’t know about gametes. They observed that mammals had two reproductive classes and one type gave birth, they understood this of humans as well as cows and chickens.

@senatordodo4240

7 күн бұрын

@@jimgold2550 "Females" often also were seen and referred to as "women" but that wasnt because they could see the vagina or knew of the other person's ability to reproduce but rather they saw a schema of different aspects that together meant "woman"

@jimgold2550

7 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240 Right, because we’re able to accurately tell what sex people are usually based off their traits. Similarly we can tell whether an animal is an elephant or an ant based off their appearance, even if we don’t analyse their DNA.

@senatordodo4240

7 күн бұрын

@@jimgold2550 Exactly, thats why "woman" as purely the biological definition isnt satisfactory

So if I accidentally refer to a fake diamond as a "diamond," it's real? Or a counterfeit bill is real if I make it look convincing enough? L Tiny

@senatordodo4240

8 күн бұрын

It doesnt make the fake diamond real, it does mean that what we think of when we say "diamond" isnt so cookie cutter

@stakahz4513

8 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240No it fucking doesn’t, diamond has a strict elemental makeup that can be observed and defined as a diamond. Same as chromosomes in a woman.

@stakahz4513

8 күн бұрын

If I wear blackface then I’m black apparently.

@chethanx666

8 күн бұрын

@@senatordodo4240 How does it broaden what a "diamond" is? It just means you can make something look like a diamond. This is a non-sequitur.

@senatordodo4240

7 күн бұрын

@@stakahz4513 It doesnt change what the diamond itself is or what we define as a diamond, we use language differently than the literal atomic makeup of a thing though so that even things that are technically not a diamond are often referred to as "diamonds". Destiny never said "trans women are women" 99% of people disagreeing are conflating his argument with "trans women are women" discourse which he never said explicitly disagrees with

I actually disagree heavily with Destiny on this one. Definitions of words are descriptive, not prescriptive, which is why they are almost universally accurate across cultural barriers. The argument that really seems weak to me is where he claims that, without humans, the concept of [insert any word] wouldn't exist. Because the fact that a word is descriptive of the properties of a thing that exists, those properties will still exist regardless of a human's interaction with it. Perhaps the literal word we use to describe those properties wouldn't exist any longer, but the descriptive properties of that objective piece of matter will still exist. If a tree falls down in the woods with nobody to hear it, the tree still fell down, it's just that nobody saw it. It doesn't mean that the tree doesn't exist. It feels to me more that Destiny here is trying everything he can to make this conservative point seem stupid and with no philosophical backing, but his arguments are so poor that I can't even begin to try backing him up on this one.

You are speaking philosophically. The people your are speaking to are not. Male and female are the labels we created but we didn't create male and female. If we now say that the word female includes trans women it would just mean we no longer have a word for humans we currently refer to as female. It doesn't change the physical reality. Male and female exist outside of language. Humans, like other animals, are skilled at recognizing the opposite sex.

The “what is a table?” argument is dumb to me because he ignores that we actually DO have strict definitions when it comes to biology. “What is your liver, what is your pancreas, what is your heart?” are much better comparisons and have clear, strict definitions.

@samanthasmith733

8 күн бұрын

True. Someone else in this comment section said the same thing "so what's a chair then?" If anything, it discredits that argument because while there are many types of chairs, an armchair and a desk chair are still chairs. So to answer a question nobody asked, chairs have one gender. Case closed lol. 🤓

@procrastinatingpuma

8 күн бұрын

Gender isn’t a biological concept, it’s a social concept

@luxeayt6694

8 күн бұрын

​@samanthasmith733 define a chair then, go ahead.

@MagneVikjord

8 күн бұрын

But that’s not how the word is used. You could say, oh it’s XX chromosome, but that’s not what people refer to when they use it. Plus even with a heart it can get complicated if you’re trying to be obtuse, like people do with the woman argument. Is a model heart a heart? Is an artificial heart a heart? Is a pump a heart?

@StretchtoYourHeart

8 күн бұрын

It's a good example but we have such rigid defined characteristics associates with lungs, heart, or pancreas. But if I drew this symbol you'd say that's a heart ❤️ which kinda pokes a hole in your argument. But if I showed someone whose never seen one a liver or two they could recognize livers constantly. If I show someone whose never seen a woman two women there's tons of women they wouldn't know how to categorize without more factors than adult human female unless we take blood from every one of them.

No Destiny, the reason "what is a woman" is asked because Trans women, are BIOLOGICAL MEN. So when we say "Womens Sports" we aren't talking about a group of things we associate with females, we are talking about BIOLOGICAL differences between the sexes. So while in the abstract you are 100% correct, this notion that we can't define the term woman in today's society when we are specifically talking about the differences between a female and a male, it should be easy to define.

@supergingerr

7 күн бұрын

Then they should ask what is a women biologically, not what is a women. None walks around and determines someones gender based off DNA, its off visual cues.

@SillyPutty125

7 күн бұрын

It seems like it should be easy to define, but women's sports has been trying to do this for decades, long before the word "transgender" entered the public discourse. At first they did genital inspections, and no one was a fan of that. Then they switched to doing chromosome testing, which seemed like an improvement, but that's when they learned about androgen insensitivity: some women go their entire lives without realizing that they have XY chromosomes. More recently, they switched to measuring testosterone levels, which also has a surprising amount of overlap between the two sexes, meaning that it's impossible to set a level that includes all biological women but excludes all biological men. All of this predates the transgender discussion.

@Puzzlesocks

7 күн бұрын

@@SillyPutty125 I mean the real answer is probably to stop subsidizing women's sports and let it support itself to see just how long it lasts. I have nothing against people dividing themselves up into divisions and categories at their leisure, but I don't understand why I have to pay for someone else's privilege to play sports. If the government is not involved in funding it, it really becomes a non-issue outside of patrons/fans of the teams. Most of the reason all of this is even argued about in sports is because the rules exist and people will always try to find clever ways to get around or break the rules. Eventually the rulebook becomes so thick that no one knows all the rules with all the caveats, amendments and additions.

@BlueDirt_ProAggressive

6 күн бұрын

Curious. What makes a woman a bio woman? Is a tiny petite 5' 100lb female the same as a 6'5 230 basketball basketball player? Hormones can make a woman incredibly masculine or estrogen a make incredibly feminine.

I’m gonna push back a bit on the woman = female argument being tautological. It’s not. Because you can define the words adult, human, and female. So it’s not tautological.

@justsomedude77

7 күн бұрын

define female... and how could you identify a woman without testing her chromosomes?

@Malik_Maverick

7 күн бұрын

@@justsomedude77 A female is “denoting the sex that CAN bear offspring/produces ova to be fertilized by male gametes”. We have been able to identify women without “testing” their chromosomes. I’m not making the argument about chromosomes. Though they are a part of the human genome sex.

@justsomedude77

7 күн бұрын

​@@Malik_Maverickso a woman that is infertile from birth is a different sex? As she does not have the potential to bear children. how does that process of identification work? We do not know someone is a woman, we assume they are a woman based off secondary sexual characteristics and societal expectations of what a woman ought to do.

@jimgold2550

7 күн бұрын

@@justsomedude77sex isn’t defined by chromosomes, it’s defined by proclivity to produce gamete. How do you think we recognise that some bovines are cows and some are bulls, ie female and male? We do the same with humans.

@user-em1dl6jk1j

7 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@justsomedude77Nobody ever assumes someone is a woman based off what women do. If that were the case we’d consider gay men or sissies women Humans have 10 fingers but we don’t say otherwise simply because some humans are missing some Just how we say women bare children despite there being some that cant. We ONLY identify women from their biological characteristics. If you were to freeze a naked woman and put her in a museum you wouldnt go “Maybe she acted and presented as a man” you’d assume its a woman based off her biological features We don’t need chromosomes to figure this out because we do it all the time

So why aren’t we having this conversation about literally EVERYTHING? Why can’t people change their race based on perception? Sorry, not buying it. It’s just not that complicated.

@nikk6435

2 күн бұрын

Because it isn’t a biological thing. The reason why people discuss transgender people is because they exist, therefore there needs to be a social structure where they can exist comfortably. There’s nothing to “buy.”

@MrLilpaul3

8 сағат бұрын

People literally change ethnicity. Some of the Tutsis in Rwanda would change their ethnicity to receive benefits from the state and gain power

The thing is, for the majority of the people nothing of this matters, having any trouble defining a woman or saying its complicated makes you look like an insane person.

@senatordodo4240

8 күн бұрын

The thing is, the majority of people are dumbfucks that dont want to spend extra brain power thinking a little deeper into subjects (or just pretend they do), that doesnt mean those deeper ideas are wrong or shouldnt be used

@TheQraQer

8 күн бұрын

No. You're just too stupid to want to engage in the nuance of language lol

We don’t do this kind of of mental gymnastics for any other word/term/label though on this channel 😂 like why this one thing? Why don’t we go into an umbrella of ideas for any other word? It’s because people he doesn’t like have made a meme about it basically. Bros really busting out “advanced language theory” to argue this dumb shit lmfao

@stakahz4513

8 күн бұрын

Yeah suddenly absolutely everything is ambiguous and you can’t draw any value or facts of the matter from plain words. He is ironically doing the meme of not being able to explain what a woman is because he never gave a concise definition in the whole video. Does he really think it’s impossible to give a definition even though he would never have that issue with other words, or is he just being stubborn not to engage?

@deep_and_profound_topics

8 күн бұрын

short bus moment 👆

@VTAcraft

4 күн бұрын

@kainoizking Exactly. We actually can pretty easily define things like "chair" but the concept of "woman" is way more straightforward. What people like Destiny are referring to when they try to muddy the waters with "gender" is literally just masculinity and femininity. We already have words for those concepts, and the most feminine man on the planet is still not a woman.

@pookz3067

4 күн бұрын

@@VTAcraftif you can easily define chair (one of the most famous examples in philosophy of something that escapes precise definition), you can get 200k+ for life as a tenured philosophy professor. All dictionaries admit their definitions are not precise, and so not define categories, but are attempts at recording the usages of words. What you’ll actually be doing in trying to define chair, is taking everything anyone considers a chair and trying to come up with a criteria for inclusion in that set. But the set already exists and inclusion in the category is based on usage, or the rules you create about the usage afterwords

@VTAcraft

3 күн бұрын

@@pookz3067 A chair = a seat for one person that has a back and usually four legs. That was easy. You can imagine edge-case exceptions, of course, but just because the boundaries of what exactly constitutes a chair can be fuzzy doesn't mean it's difficult to define. This is the case with virtually all definitions. The trans activist argument is that because the boundaries can be fuzzy, that means literally anything including pineapple juice or the Sun can be a chair so long as someone identifies it as a chair. That's a non sequitur, obviously, and is nothing more than weak sophistry.

Okay, am i missing something, how can Destiny not see that optically he just sounds insane? if someone asks you what is a chair, you go, "something with legs for you to sit on", and if they want to get more specific then you can dig deeper. What would Destiny's response be to "what is a chair?", well, it would be "Do you even REALISE what a complicated question you just ASKED? Are you even aware of how LANGUAGE works, how CONTEXT shapes MEANINGS and DEFINITIONS" He always says "That's not how language works" and yet he sounds like a broken Chat-GPT when someone asks him a simple question. I understand that conservatives have motives when they ask these questions, and it can be frustrating to deal with that, but you gotta give them a straight answer, or else they won't take you seriously. You can just give them a straight answer like "there are cis women and trans women. cis women are adult females and trans women are adult males that identify as adult females" or something along those lines, and if they start digging you can THEN pull out your philosophy. But you immediately loading them with all that bullshit, in my opinion, makes you look optically insane.

@jadessalazard

7 күн бұрын

I think he himself doesn't even believe what he's saying. The reason why he's dancing around this question is because, to some extent, he probably believes that he still needs to cater to his more liberal audiences in order to avoid being branded as a "right winger". Steven is certainly not a dumb person, but when you have ideological weak spots - they can make anyone sounds like an insane person. American brainrot is so contagious, people are unironically asking "what is a female" and arguing that if you cannot give a perfect definition for something, then you cannot define anything, thus there is no difference between men and women. I really feel sorry for people that purposefully obfuscate and complicate extremely easy question, so they can jerk themselves off as being some kind of "intellectuals" or more enlightened from the rest.

@ghostwitch644

6 күн бұрын

​​​​​@@jadessalazard1) Tons of people misuse the word "projection" online, but your first sentence is an example of actual projection 2) People can disagree with you and genuinely hold those beliefs. Your worldview is not as self-evidently true as you feel like it is 3) Correct, this is a philosophical dilemma that people have been talking about for decades. It used to be sandboxed to the halls of academia but has since become more mainstream as trans issues have entered the zeitgeist 4) Again, your worldview is not so obviously correct that the people who disagree with it are "obfuscating" or "jerking themselves off". The philosophy of language is a complicated topic. Asking someone "what is a woman" opens the door to a broader discussion about this subject

@jadessalazard

6 күн бұрын

@@ghostwitch644 2) I dont have issues with people disagreeing with me. Sex is absolutely self-evidently true, massively backed by science for centuries. There is only male and female. The fact that someone is asking "well , heh, what is a female?" is, again, poor attempt to muddy the waters by obfuscating. There is nothing deep to be explored here. Its simple as that. You, looking to find deeper meaning below the surface, so you can support your narrative, is a "you" problem. Sorry. 2. I dont see how it is not still sandboxed because of trans people. People believing themselves to be the other sex/gender, doesn't change reality in any way. Believe what you want, but don't expect us to conform you just so you can feel validated. 3. I am not saying that because people are disagreeing with me. It is so obviously self-jerking when you are unironically asking "well what is a female" and "have you taken philosophy classes" when the topic of discussion is biological sex. Asking what is a woman is an absurdly easy answer - its an adult human female. Again, you are free to believe it is not, but you're completely disregarding basic biology and what have been observed by nature for god knows how long.

The topic of what a man or women is, isn't complicated. Invoking a thought when we say these words, is actuslly straight forward. Everyone knows what you mean when you ask what a women is. This doesn't take away from how complicated language is at all. If someone asks you what a dog is, you know exactly what they mean when they say dog or human. It's categorization for a reason. Also admoralities from the average or general is an exception for a reason which we account for in categorization. A human has 10 fingers regardless if someone has lost a finger or someone is born with more or less. The statement that humans have 10 fingers is true regardless of the abnormality of exceptions to the rule. Human females can give birth to other humans. Human male can impregnate a human female. Can use chromosomes, can use private parts, csn use functional breeding ability. Doesn't matter. We know what a women and a man is. Once again exceptions to the rule don't overrule the rule.

Ok Destiny, I appreciate the effort you put into this topic, but it really isn't that complicated. Hypothetically speaking: - If I were to dress my cat up as a dog (i.e. parade her around as a dog, introduce her as a dog, convince everyone she was a dog, etc.) she is still a cat. - If my cat were to somehow think she was a dog, she is still a cat. - If my cat were to somehow have cat and dog genetics, it would be such a complicated question to answer which species it was, you would need a scientist to weigh in, and by that point something so rare and confusing doesn't need widespread representation and understanding. All this to say, separating sex and gender just confuses things. We know the meaning of the words "woman" and "man", but now people want to conflate being gender-confused with LITERALLY being another gender. Which is absolutely false. Words have meanings AND usages. The way words are used are important, and we shouldn't undermine a word's true definition. Trans men and trans women should not be considered legitimate representations of their newfound identification. Being able to separate gender from your sex just means that you are able to disguise yourself as something else. Everyone does that every year on Halloween, but nobody changes their identity just because they can convince a few people (or themselves) that they're a werewolf or a superhero. Being trans gender, gender confused, or intersex is an anomaly in biology or psychology, and it is dishonest and ludicrous to pretend that 2% of the population (3% at most; 0.5% trans, 1-2% intersex) should honestly be at the front of our minds every time we interact with anyone at work, school, or in everyday interactions. It's not transphobic, it's just reality.

@val22900

8 күн бұрын

You're the one with the presumption that biological sex and gender ought to be rigidly correlated and then complain about the exceptions making it difficult for you and should therefore be ignored. The separation of gender from sex allows the word to be used in a context that 100% maps into our society because it's socially constructed. If you want to believe transgender people don't exist, you could argue that within the socially constructed meaning of the word. But you're admitting yourself that your definition is not just less accurate, and furthermore it does not practically map onto the criteria people have for that category. No one is checking chromosomes when they decide what a woman is.

@moodymoofin186

8 күн бұрын

Species and gender are too different to make this comparison

@drockopotamus1

8 күн бұрын

@@val22900 Sex is rigidly correlated. Anyone trying to blur those lines does so to account for abnormalities and to make anyone born with those feel "normal." But they're not. And that's OK. It doesn't mean sex is a spectrum. It means abnormalities exist in nature in rare cases. Some people are born without a leg, but the human species is still bipedal. Much is the same with intersex. Gender is literally just how someone "feels." It's not based on science or anything. People are checking chromosomes when deciding what a woman is, btw. That's what happens when rules in society are based on gender. You can't just go on maternity leave because you identify as a woman. You have to be able to actually birth a child. So whether we want to or not, we're FORCED to look at chromosomes. Not because gender has anything to do with it, but because biological FACT exists.

@samanthasmith733

8 күн бұрын

@@val22900 It's clear you're too emotional to read because I indeed referenced trans individuals in my statement. "Anomaly" means uncommon, not non-existent, simpleton. It really is just a binary reaction from you people. Biological sex and gender are rigidly correlated with no confusion 98% of the time. So why do I have to say, therefore gender and sex are separate. In rare circumstances, people have biological or psychological anomalies. Saying "socially constructed" doesn't mean anything. It's a notorious logical all-purpose fallacy for leftism. Socially constructed by who, specifically? Who's forcing 98% of people to believe that they are indeed their biological sex? People are biologically AND categorically ONE gender, whether they are confused or not. We are discussing reality vs. feelings/emotions/perceptions here.

@sepro5135

8 күн бұрын

If I were to take a dog and make it look, act, etc. like a cat, it might as well be a cat. If I bring said dog/cat to the vet, it might be important for him to know, but if visitors are over, the word cat would describe the animal far better than the word dog. Words are just used to convey something. If cat conveys a more accurate picture for most day to day situations than dog, it would make sense to use cat when communicating with people. I can just rely on what people associate with dog or cat. Would it be a cat, by rigid biological definition, used in science or medicine? Probably not. But that actually doesn’t matter at all. I am not a biologist or doctor. They have rigid definitions because they serve an important purpose in discribing problems, findings etc. This purpose does not exist in everyday life, so why should I hold myself to rigid definitions, if „that’s a cat“ pretty much sums up all the information a casual visitor needs to have?

If you cannot provide a cogent and logically consistent definition of the word woman. Then you have no business talking about womens issues.

@dylane1891

7 күн бұрын

define a table

@Puzzlesocks

7 күн бұрын

@@dylane1891 A surface which is recognized by humans to be a place used to place things. Though if you would rather go all the way with the philosophy of words, we could say that any definition leads to a vicious circle because all words are defined by words that are defined by words. Calling a tree a tree isn't correct because the reality of what a tree is could never be captured by words, in which case any attempt at communication is doomed including this one. edit: I just wanted to add that it's potentially possible to create a language that would allow us to communicate pattern recognition more effectively than English. English is impossibly caught up with Catholic views of the world where everything is seen as individual things crafted by a creator, and not patterns of events. In Physics terms, English thinks the world is particles, but a language like Chinese sees it more as waves.

@dylane1891

6 күн бұрын

​@@Puzzlesocks So firstly according to your definition a shelf is a table. And secondly, i'm not trying to say that definitions are useless. But when someone uses phrases like ''if you cant define woman you shouldn't talk about woman's issues'' in this context, it shows a misunderstanding on how, we as humans, use words and concepts. That's why the table question is good. A table is a simple enough thing to know one when we see one, but we can't find a definition that doesn't lead to ridiculous conclusions for it. Witch helps to show that the 'definition' discourse around this topic is just dumb.

@spinosaurusstriker

6 күн бұрын

@@dylane1891 Shelf is a table but on a wall mf you tried to do something here

@dylane1891

6 күн бұрын

​@@spinosaurusstriker You just said a table BUT on a wall (implying a table wouldn't be on a wall by definition) witch makes a shelf witch IS on a wall NOT a table. do you not hear yourself? also if someone tells me to go to eat at the table and I start to eat from a fucking shelf, do you think I understood the meaning of the word there? yall are too funny

A woman is the exact same thigh they were 1000 years ago. What a dumb take. People knew what a woman was 15000 years ago and it's the same today.

It’s funny he knew what a woman was when he was talking about being bisexual.

@viysnjor4811

7 күн бұрын

You can intuitively know what something is without being able to define it precisely. Like Destiny said, language comes from experience, not the other way around. Without the experience to attach to the word, it is just gibberish.

@Puzzlesocks

7 күн бұрын

@@viysnjor4811 Further though, is that it can't be comprehended as a language without common experience. As in I could never explain what "Red" is to a blind person. Without the common experience the word will always remain gibberish. If you use a personal definition for your gender, what you are actually doing is speaking gibberish, but because they use enough common words between the definitions then confusion arises. If I started calling every car a horse, people might be able to learn what I am referring to, but as the Zen saying goes, I would be raising waves when no wind is blowing.

@hyperretroactivehyperretro5992

6 күн бұрын

@@viysnjor4811 Really? What experience do you have with Dark Matter? I’ll wait. Destiny is an idiot that wants to skirt reality by pretending you can not define things. It is funny he knows he has a son…. A boy. Pretending you do not know what a woman is to satisfy the wokes is just dishonest. Let me help you. Woman= adult, human, female…….Simple, age, sex and species all in one word.

@hyperretroactivehyperretro5992

6 күн бұрын

@@Puzzlesocks And yet somehow cultures that have never met all over the world managed to figure it out, even before languages, and even animals figure it out…..amazing 🙄

It really feels like Destiny is just mad that people who truly are not worthy of having an audience were able to come up with such a simple test that made an entire ideology look foolish. It's like going into a seminar that's 3 hours long on why a piece of art is what it is and means what it means etc and someone just yells "Seems kinda gay" and everyone laughs and no longer takes it seriously. But that is truly what it is, it is a simple absurd argument against an overly complex absurd position. And I think it makes him upset that he needs 19 layers of nuance to try to argue against a simple sentence. People, most people, 99% of people, don't care about 19 layers of nuance. No one has time for that. That is probably Destiny's biggest issue is the intellectual masturbation. It's great he does all this Israel research, goes to Israel, etc but still some random chick at a college can just yell "stop genociding babies!" and more people will just blindly listen to that. You have to market to the masses or you are failing yourself if your desire is to change peoples minds.

@randomyoutubecommenterr

8 күн бұрын

The problem is not everything is and can be explained simply. for trans stuff I feel like the closest thing would be visually. Show pictures to people of folks like Buck Angel and other individuals who easily pass for the opposite sex. "Well your definition was boobs and a vagina. Would you be ok with him going into the women's bathroom? No? Oh why not?" then delve down that rabbit hole of questioning.

@lucienlachance7580

8 күн бұрын

Yes, he tends to have a very personal and immature reaction to idelogical opposition. Often plays the frustrated man of intellect having to endure the foolish and un-novel opinions of charlatans.

@Not_CIA

5 күн бұрын

@@randomyoutubecommenterr To an extent that is fair but the rabbit hole isn't where people want to go. Most people aren't going into the 9 layers of nuance to decide an opinion on something that is done automatically the instant you see someone. The visual aspect is correct, when someone sees someone they have already gendered them and that is about as far as most people care to go with it. I think if people would just be honest and say it comes down to passing. If you can't tell, you can't tell and you'll never know and it's not your business to know. It's the obvious ones that people have the issue with and the simple truth is they have the issue because they are aware of it. There is no hiding it or pretending otherwise.

This is such a dumb hill for Destiny to die on. I get what he's trying to express but it's obvious that we use the word woman to describe a person who we assume or know is an adult human female. That's why Ben mis-misgenders trans people, because they are passing. Tiny needs to actually formulate a firm definition before he starts judging long agreed upon meaning of the word.

@r_se

8 күн бұрын

what is a female? this is just circular.

@howdareyou41

8 күн бұрын

you agree men who transition are women? if he's passing? than a woman really is a fluid concept? he's not dying on this hill... apparently you agree with him. you're explaining what Destiny already explained but you think you disagree. the problem is "adult" "human" and "female" are also hard to define. is a 17 year old person with a vagina but no reproductive organs an adult human female? what if that person is now just a head attached to a machine is that a woman, a female, a human, is it a person? these aren't super easy thing explain. what about women with male features, short hair, wear pants, have no breasts, and can bench more than you. Are they men?

@MisterS.

8 күн бұрын

​@@r_se biology 101. Sexual reproduction.

@MisterS.

8 күн бұрын

To ruse since I can't reply directly: Biology 101. Sexual reproduction. Upd. To their reply, since I can't see it posted: try taking biology 101 and you'll learn what a female is since you're the one asking?... Lol.

@Unknown-us3ii

8 күн бұрын

​@@r_seyour question is wrong, asking "what is a female?" Is like asking "do you believe in science?". The correct question is: what is female? And it can be easily answered as "biological sex based on XX chromosomes in most mammals, including humans."

People accidentally saying “she” is a poor argument. We often suspend belief in film, drama, song, role playing, etc, etc… doesn’t mean they’re actually that thing. No fancy dress party ever: “First place is the little boy pretending to be a fireman but is not a real fireman, second place is the girl that’s really a little girl but is pretending to be Dracula and third…”

@senatordodo4240

4 күн бұрын

They arent suspending their belief though, they are actively trying to reinforce their belief when they try to misgender people and still fail because the traits and characteristics of people flip enough switches to make them think "woman"

@pookz3067

4 күн бұрын

Well, no one claims a trans formal is biologically female, which is I presume what you mean by “actually that thing.” They’re just saying we should put then in the same category as female unless we are in a context where biological sex is relevant.

It's extremely odd for Destiny to essentially debate for the existence of, what is essentially, a platonic form. While simultaneously rejecting the idea that the categories of those forms exist, and are merely arbitrary classifications made by humans. That, "The tree exists as a platonic form, that is different than the platonic form of water. But the category describing water and tree doesn't exist, and is strictly human-made." Normally, you would argue for both. Not argue for forms, and against the existence of categories. As you can make an argument that the category is implicit. That regardless of the idea, "Categories are human made", whatever the underlying structure is (in this case forms), the thing that humans call "category" is isomorphic to the underlying structure. So sure, "Categories" are human made. But a category is used to describe some other platonic form, and that platonic form does exist.

If someone says something as utterly asinine as "One is two" the question 'What is one' isn't asinine, or semantic. The entire point of 'what is a woman' isn't to ponder the actual meaning of 'woman' but to point out the idiocy of someone who isn't a woman calling themselves a woman. It's not so we can have a better definition in the dictionary. This is really disappointing from Destiny. Probably one of the only times I've really disagreed with him. For literally hundreds of thousands of years no one has EVER struggled with what 'man' or 'woman' has meant. You can go to any culture, at any point in history and their words/understanding of what woman is, in relation to a man, will be as unambiguous as ANY concept in their entire language. Sex is literally, scientifically, logically a binary, so it has literally NEVER been "complex", no matter how complex language gets in other areas. Language being complex doesn't mean all words or the concepts they describe are similarly complex. This REEEALLY feels like Destiny wanting to trash the question because of its ubiquity or because of who it came from. Matt Walsh is idiotic; the question 'what is a woman' absolutely is not.

@TheQraQer

8 күн бұрын

You still completely miss the point that this is in reference to GENDER not SEX. GENDER is a social construct aka how we perceive ourselves and others. You are not checking genitalia or chromosomes when you identify someone as a man/woman. Engaging in this discussion without knowing the difference between gender/sex is just dumb. The question IS idiotic because people like you use it as a way to simplify something that is actually complex IE how we use language.

@razzle_dazzle

7 күн бұрын

_"someone who isn't a woman calling themselves a woman"_ But they *_are_* a woman according to the definition they're using. That's what the disagreement is - which definition of "woman" to use.

"Fool's gold is gold because it looks like gold. Do you check the attomic structure of fools gold when you look at it???" - Destiny

So now you need a medical background to know what a woman is

Women know what a woman is, and women know who is not a woman, however that’s not very easy to capture either in language, or more importantly law. So a trans woman is a trans woman and, if you like, a cis woman is a cis woman. They are different, they have lots of similarities but they also have lots of differences. It’s important to have a way to distinguish the two in language. If women don’t think a particular trans woman should be “in with them” then that’s a problem. Asking the question what is a woman, maybe shouldn’t be revealing, but it’s a pretty excellent short cut to understanding of what people think about this issue and potentially other issues. Destiny is unconvincing on this, which I think is fairly rare so I think it really is an interesting question in his case particularly

I think this is contradictory on Destiny's part. He conflates how we use pronouns (like 'she' and 'her') and 'woman'. He is correct in that we use these words based upon various ideas and abstractions. Where I see a flaw is that many of the parts of how we view a woman aren't just how they look, that would be more reflective of how we decide what pronouns we use. I am masculine presenting for example, but when I used to have long hair people from behind would sometimes accidentally call me 'she'. According to Destiny, am I now a woman? I don't think so. I think I just presented what could be perceived as an illusion of a feminine trait. I think trans women operate on an exaggerated level of this concept, as I would also not call a drag queen a woman either, no matter how much they look like one, and most of them wouldn't either. I think when we use the word 'woman' we are not just describing a collective of their cosmetic features. We are also describing their play in society and the ways we can interact with them. I cannot sexually interact with a trans woman the same way I can with a biological woman, and when I say woman I am often implying these things exist. So am I supposed to believe that when destiny says "woman", one of the top 5 horniest streamers, he doesn't think of vaginal intercourse? I would say he's being dishonest. So in fact one of those ideas that circulate through ones mind when they think of "woman" is that they have a vagina, because it changes how they interact in society, and how they can interact with the individual. This is different from pronoun selection, which is largely based upon quick assumptions. I would probably call blaire white 'she', but I would not physically interact with them as if they were a woman. I'm not gay. This makes it difficult for me to call blaire white a woman, even if I would use 'she' and 'her' in a conversation.

Honestly don’t know how people watch this and don't acknowledge that having rigid definitions isn’t exactly translatable in daily life. We look for overall easy features that personally represents the word we use. That’s why we have people who can use the same words but have different meanings behind it and that’s how conservative influencers can still call a trans women a she by accident while knowing they are biologically a male. Words go beyond rigid text book definitions when people use them in daily life.

@Mant111

8 күн бұрын

They're not rigid, they adhere to reality. Disassociating yourself from reality isn't being "less rigid", it's taking the wacko route.

@bolmeteussteeldragon47

8 күн бұрын

If that trans woman passes enough for my brain to trick me that this person is a biological women then I will call that person she. Even if I know they are trans my brain will still trick me and I will say she by accident. Like Ben Shapiro did in that convo with Joe Rogan. Yet that person really is not a woman, a real woman no matter how many hormones or surgeries they will get unfortunately.

@superfluousvii9686

8 күн бұрын

​@@Mant111facts

@ace-daniel4240

8 күн бұрын

I agree words can elude to the reality of what we see or want to communicate but nothing that you said goes against any of my points because what we see is a singular viewpoint. To adhere to reality is to acknowledge words are used to represent a common sense/ experience and is therefore flexible, for when the world changes we as people and our views change with it and our language changes alongside us as a result, irrelevant of how many individual disagree. That’s why either new words/ phrases are created or old words gain new meaning while losing or preserving its old meaning. That’s reality.

@Mant111

8 күн бұрын

@@ace-daniel4240 No, reality is reality, you're describing sociology. If the whole world decided that a turd is a rose and a rose is a turd, no turd nor rose would change in the process.

The chatter that says “categories of sex exist in animals outside of human understanding” and implying this proves the argument about trans people is just wrong and shows they don’t understand how diverse animals are. All animals don’t have this rigid male and female relationship like we do. Are hyena’s transgender? The females have a “fake” or “pseudo scrotum” are they what you would call transgender? If a male dog humps another male dog, is that dog just gay? What about animals that change their gender depending on circumstances? This exists… It’s simply an argument from ignorance.

@Mas-ij3ti

7 күн бұрын

Does "minor" or "adult" exist outside of human understanding? So by that argument pedophile is just a made up word because you cant define it without using the arbitrary man made word "age". Also your lack of understanding of animal nature is hillarious, if you think dogs humping each other is only or even mostly sexual you are very uninformed.

7:23 Holy shit, I have never heard Destiny say something as stupid as this. Female: "of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes." It's not tautological, any animal can be female, not just humans. So, by that definition, a woman is a human of a certain age, and of the sex that can bear offspring and produce eggs. You can argue whether that is a fitting definition, but it's literally not tautological.

@jimgold2550

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, that was really strange, because the whole point of the ‘trans women are women’ side’s claim is that women aren’t necessarily female. Since trans women are male, but perhaps they can still be women. But I’m surprised if Destiny doesn’t grasp that.

"What is a woman?" It's a female. There, simple enough. It's possible to live in reality, while also believing trans people exist. Are trans women literal women? No. But they have chosen to live their lives being socially perceived as women. If you are religious, you might even argue they are a woman in their "soul". But I don't understand why these beliefs have to be contradictory.

@George_Rambo

7 күн бұрын

Wait. My female pet rat is a woman?? brb

@maxwellsdemon10

6 күн бұрын

"What is a woman?" An object heavier than 30kg. There, simple enough. You definition is as good as mine. Definitions are arbitrary. The real question is if they are useful. You act like you have this definition, it is true and everyone should use the word according to your definition. That's just not how language works. You use a word, and then you map a definition to the concept this word is referring to. That's how new words get introduced, that's how words change meaning. The question is, what concepts you are evoking when saying the words "woman". Are you literally only talking about chromosomes, or are you referring to a bigger concept, a collection of traits? What is frustrating is, that people simply act like they have the "true" definition and act like they came to a superior position, simply because they ignored the complexity of the usage of language. This is exactly the same thing some religious presuppositionalist do. They use the intellectional honesty of others against them, declaring victory by ignoring the complexity of the issue.

Destiny’s mouth is faster than his brain. If ‘woman’ and ‘female’ are basically the same, describe the latter which has none of this mumbo jumbo baggage, then woman is the human version 👍🏻

Woman 1: an adult female. 2: an individual who identifies and expresses themselves as an adult female.

15:58 Destiny is literally doing the same cheap gotchas by showing some no name using different pronouns "oh look they said she, they said her!!", so fucking what, what does it change?

@Elizeus99

8 күн бұрын

Yeah, I thought the man had better self awareness.

@blacksuitedsonic

8 күн бұрын

I guess you dont know what a gotcha is. He is not using it as a gotcha he isnt just fishing to embarass them. He showed it to further prove his point that language and how we apply patterns in said language is a bit more complicated than they are trying to argue.

@chasefoster8092

8 күн бұрын

​​@@blacksuitedsonicchimps are not monkeys. But if we all say monkey enough, it will become true that they are monkeys. Even though they aren't monkeys.

@SisckoImper

8 күн бұрын

@@blacksuitedsonic He also already explained that in the video, these people are braindead.

@Tracer73866

8 күн бұрын

@@blacksuitedsonic sure, just like their gotchas are also used to prove their point