Y’all did a great job breaking this down. Thanks. 👍

Thank you for a great video and actually verbalizing that the tie rod is intentionally the weak point. I wish more people would understand that. With simple tools and a spare tie rod it’s an easy inexpensive trail fix. The stock configuration Bronco was a good design if ran that way. Any modification, will affect something else! If you plan to wheel your $70,000+ vehicle in the rocks, be smart do all upgrades including this, otherwise be smart and buy a wheeling rig and keep the Bronco for dirt/snow exploring wheeling. Bailey Cole’s race Bronco is a perfect example!

Best explanation I have heard yet. We have 2 Wildtraks. A 4DR and a 2DR. I love my Broncos, but it seems to me that those of us with the HOSS 2.0 are stuck with a sub standard product and will need to upgrade what Ford should have given us from the beginning. I would have paid extra for the HOSS 3.0 if it were available at the time. Steering racks and tie rods are probably my next mod. I am thinking more important than skid plates at this point.

Kudos to see you guys reverse engineer some of the work we did making these steering gears. I look forward to seeing what you come up with. Also, 100% spot on that tie rods being the "fuse" of the steering gear.

Well put together video and great info. Keep up the great work.

Thank's for giving us a great explanation and video walkthrough. So much on the forums is filled with mis-information. So we appreciate a professional going through it.

@74weld

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you so much. I learned a lot

@74weld

Жыл бұрын

make sure you like and subscribe! and check out the other videos we made explaining our fix for the problem with our new Billet Bronco steering rack!

@Quinn Pultz We would be interested in testing the rack and portals. Our 2Dr Sasquatch manual has a VIN and in process finally. Maybe we could do a Sierra Challenge Video series tackling the most difficult rock crawling trails in California. Thoughts?

Very Excited to see what y’all come up with and very interested in getting one! I’ve had my steering “time out” on three different occasions while wheeling, Twice in Moab and once in Uwharrie. Definitely not a good feeling to loose steering and ready to get the thought if it failing out of the back of my mind.

@josephburgard6574

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean time out? As in temporary steering assist reduction to almost none?

@moodyblueoutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@josephburgard6574 Basically loss of all steering, every time it’s happened I’ve had to shut off the vehicle to get my steering back. All three times it was with the front locker engaged while trying to turn while on an obstacle. From what I was told from someone in development is it’s the electric assist timing out. I’m scared to try to overcome it by man handling the steering wheel so usually I roll far enough past that I can get the vehicle into 2wd and then shut it off and restart.

@josephburgard6574

Жыл бұрын

@@moodyblueoutdoors EPS (electronic power steering) units will purposefully de-rate and lower their steering assist output as a protection feature to avoid damaging the internals due to high temperatures and/or consistently high motor currents. When you air down the tires and put the front diff locker on, the rack loads are much larger than normal which shortens the power on (duty) cycle. Try to avoid continuing to steer while an obstacle blocks your front wheel movement as this stalls the motor (causing high motor currents) and only turn your front diff locker when you absolutely need to. Just cycling vehicle ignition won't instantly bring back full steering assist due to the high internal temperature build up. Not trying to criticize your driving skills, I'm no rock crawling expert, just know EPS pretty well.

@moodyblueoutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@josephburgard6574 Oh I know, two of the time its happened I was actually wheeling with someone up the development chain at Ford and he actually broke the rack in his bronco so we had to trailer it home. My front locker only comes on in extreme need situations which sucks because it’s always a worry in the back of my mind on trips. One of the times we purposely left the bronco running and after 15 minutes steering still hadn’t came back. The other time restarting was my only option because if not I was stuck on the middle of the trail with 35 Gen 6 Broncos behind me.

What is the reason to go with the Hoss 3.0 rack and make the housing for it vs 2.0? How many of the OEM 3.0 racks have you seen fail? Why not make the housing for the 2.0 rack so that everyone with this rack doesn't have to purchase a 3.0 in addition to the stronger 74Weld housing? Is the 30% more torque from the 3.0 rack that important? Is there any downside to the 2.0 internals? Thanks!

Would this be something a DIYer install at home? With your product. Also does the Ford Procal have the programming for the Hoss 3.0 rack preloaded or is it something you have to ask for. Thanks

So when these off road shops add a clevis and a heim and change pivot location and angle which will add bump steer along with other things. It’ll make a oem rack fail even more. Same as like on a gen2 raptor. Since a clevis I have seen moves the pivot location out like 1.300” from factory per side.

@x250f23x

Жыл бұрын

You deserve a cookie! This is a yuge over sight when building an IFS steering system.

I really hope this new rack you guys are building will be able to be had by the average bronco owner. My main goal with my Bronco is rock crawling and I'm no rich man and would love to be able to buy such an upgrade! Here's hoping.

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

That is our goal as well

@orine-dq6bf

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 👍 I know it's not going to be cheap, but hopefully it won't be anywhere near those bad ass portals for the Bronco you make! 😉

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

@@orine-dq6bf in determining the cost of a motor you wouldn’t compare it to a transmission would you? Portals and a rack are totally different. We expect to be somewhere around 5K for a complete unit. Keep in mind 2K of that is for the HOSS 3.0 which we plan to buy and use internals from

@orine-dq6bf

Жыл бұрын

Well, I guess we have different definitions of "Average Bronco Owner". I'm out, way out of my price range.

Sooo, what I’m getting from this is carry spare tie rods and don’t worry about spending money on bushings or sleeves or what not. For my use case.

What's the weight difference between hoss 2.0 & 3.0? Could carbon fiber be an alternative? 3d printed cf? or 3d printed metal? I want stronger and lighter parts for my bronco.

Nice details on the differences. I have the 3.0 HOSS setup. I'm not 100% sure I'll need a billet rack, but I believe this is definitely needed for the Broncos. I'd love to run your portals on my Wildtrak!

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

If you have a Wildtrak and want to upgrade the housing we will be able to swap your setup into our housing and save $$$.

@rugu6869

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 Tell me more? Any possibility of sponsorship? I'm active on the 6G Forum. Would love to hear about a package with portals possibly.

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

@@rugu6869 we don’t really do sponsorships but we are developing an ambassador program for people active in the community. Details on this will be released at the end of this quarter

@rugu6869

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 Got it! Looking forward to it. Any technical details regarding the portals for the Bronco? Would it be wider than stock (fender flares needed)?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

@@rugu6869 we will do some videos here soon. Yes it has to be wider as we package a gear and two bearings all stacked in width. Not much we can change on that. The bronco will be similar specs to the Jeep. We have that info on our site

…ONLY question… Will there be package deals for billet rack+portals?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@AdventuresOfRogersAndHenderson

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 heck yes!

Will you be requiring a "core" from the original 2.0/3.0 rack? Or will be offering your kits totally standalone? I know pricing is far from figured out, but any chance this rack will be less than $10,000?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

Hoping for less than half that price. No way we will be anywhere near 10K.

I would be interested in what your new rack would cost. I wouldn't expect it to be cheap, but curious.

@74weld

Жыл бұрын

make sure you check out the follow up video where we introduce out new billet rack and talk pricing kzread.info/dash/bejne/epWmxLaGcc7AqrA.html

So you guys don’t think the current aftermarket bushing for the rack that’s on the market is worth running?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

I think that if you plan to offroad your bronco you need to change HOW the rack bar is stabilized. You can add whatever aftermarket things you want but because the factory rack uses essentially a crush sleeve to set backlash on the rack and pinion there is no way to change how the rack bar is supported on the pinion side. Any bushing on the pinion side that is tight is a bad idea and a bushing that is loose doesn’t support against shock loads. Does this make sense?

When will this be available?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

Hey Ken! We are testing soon. I expect them to be ready late spring but I can probably get you in as a beta if you are interested

@howardtucker7441

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 I am interested in beta testing! Message me for my info, Bronco build

@kenboyd8378

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 Hey Quinn, yes I would be interested in beta testing the rack, Bronco should arrive in two weeks. You should have my contact info if not let me know and I’ll give you call.

You can put the HOSS 3.0 steering rack in any Bronco now with FDRS.

@rugu6869

Жыл бұрын

Check out the 6G forum. The 3.0 rack has been swapped into a Bronco and they have the coding to go with it completed as well.

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

This is only somewhat correct. We have successfully programmed the rack and I don’t think this is something the “average guy” is going to do. With that said I had several meetings with Ford Performance engineers at KOH and they are eager to support this endeavor. This will be an option in ProCal. If you don’t want the tune, you can get a ProCal for JUST the rack at a lower price point.

So what do I install in my Bronco if I do want to play in the rocks on 37s? My rack is toast.

@74weld

Жыл бұрын

make sure you follow up with our next video on our billet bronco rack replacement kzread.info/dash/bejne/epWmxLaGcc7AqrA.html

@JoseP-hj5zo

11 ай бұрын

Portals … use that charge card if u have to. Run those 37’s or bigger .

Is 37s not recommended because of the size or because of the weight?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

Let me correct that. The 3.0 rack is also what comes in the Bronco Raptor and that comes with 37’s. I think tire size is only one of the major factors leading to these failures we can see. I really feel with a few material and design changes we can make the factory components a lot stronger in more harsh conditions like rock crawling. In short, I think we will be able to run 37-39” tires with what we plan to build and not have issues

@builtmibronco

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 are 40s no longer the goal then?

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

@@builtmibronco we will have guys test on 40’s. If you want to run them go for it. We will likely offer some sort of housing warranty like our portals. I have told people for 10 years if they ever break a portal housing we will replace it free of charge. Chances are the rack warranty will be the same. You might break internals…time will tell. Our goal is to make a housing we can stand behind with a lifetime replacement warranty

@builtmibronco

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 that's fair, and I know it's still early! Excited to see the testing commence 😈

@Ken-es1hp

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 Really? What about HOSS 4.0?

A356 is not super strong, neither is 6061-T6, while 7075-t6/t651 is probably the best choice of aluminum for this. 7075 is way stronger, still has 11% elasticity, and is about the same in raw material cost (at most 10% difference).

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

We feel 7075 is probably not needed in this application. Are we 100% sure…not yet, but to give some perspective, we run 6061 on our portal boxes that do 140mph across the desert and we have never had a failure in over a decade of use. Materials are important but so is design, arguably more so. We are confident that the pinion will shatter before our housing will break

@mpeugeot

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnpultz8004 I agree with you that design is more important than the pure material strength. Some opined that it could be that 6061-T6 is weldable and 7075-T6 is not, which for Baja/endurance races could be a factor. I appreciate the response!

@quinnpultz8004

Жыл бұрын

@@mpeugeot it has nothing to do with welding. We don’t feel 7075 is necessary. 6061 is cheaper and more readily available in the sizes we need. Trophy truck racks are 6061. I see the chatter on the forums and there is a lot of misinformation out there.

ya, b/c Ford makes things just good enough,

because its a Ford

Get that shit off the surface table . that's a precision surface for measurement with Micrometers and Vert. verniers and flatness measurement .

@74weld

2 ай бұрын

Nope. That’s just an extra surface plate we have lying around. We have several that are certified annually. This is just for reference.

$80,000 FORD POS