Why is The Supply Relative Humidity so High?

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In this video, we show supply air RH using the Testo 605i hygrometers and demonstrate why the relative humidity approaches 100%. We present the answer to the question, "Why is the supply relative humidity so high?"
If you've recently used the Testo 605i hygrometer, you may have noticed that the supply relative humidity is noticeably higher than the return RH. The supply RH may even get pretty close to 100%! We're draining water outside, so this phenomenon doesn't make a lot of sense; the RH should be lower, if anything.
We can compare a sponge to air to explain how relative humidity works. The amount of moisture in the sponge represents the amount of moisture in the air, and the compression on the sponge represents the air temperature. A sponge that's completely saturated would be dripping water (100% RH). A compressed sponge can hold less water before it starts dripping (compared to a less compressed sponge).
As air goes over the evaporator coil, its temperature drops. When the air's temperature drops, it can hold less moisture than when it was warmer. So, 40% RH at a higher temperature would actually result in a much higher RH if we were to drop the air temperature. The air can warm up again and expand in the ducts, so the high relative humidity doesn't remain that high. (The inside of a duct won't mold like crazy because it picks up heat.)
If the supply RH doesn't reach 100%, then the difference between 100% and the actual RH is the bypass factor. The bypass factor indicates the amount of air that isn't making sufficient contact with the coil.
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  • @NorCal-refrigeration
    @NorCal-refrigeration7 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation.

  • @user-hj5le6lo9w
    @user-hj5le6lo9w Жыл бұрын

    Great visual in explaining! Our company had a boss who would try to explain psychrometrics to the crew. Most of the crew would roll their eyes and ignore him. After he left we came across a few jobs with humidity and bio growth problems. There were a couple of guys who paid attention and were able to correct these problems. Every hvac company needs a guy like Bryan but many companies don’t deserve them.

  • @ben4061
    @ben40613 жыл бұрын

    I’m in school for HVAC and this video made a lot more sense than in the book. Thanks 👍

  • @AlaskanMonroe
    @AlaskanMonroe5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for being so thorough...and for the comedic breaks. Keep it up!

  • @bobo11112222
    @bobo111122225 жыл бұрын

    I was racking my head over this ever scene I tried out my testo too. Great explanation Thank You.

  • @yrwyreazureAjuhtrea7
    @yrwyreazureAjuhtrea74 жыл бұрын

    Cool concept Bryan, thanks for sharing.

  • @jimdamiani1823
    @jimdamiani18236 жыл бұрын

    Another way to demonstrate this would be to fill a balloon and then put in a refrigerator and watch it shrink. The air becomes more dense which decrases its ability to hold water. When supply air mixes with warmer indoor air it quickly expands Which immediately increases its ability to hold more water.

  • @potter40
    @potter404 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for making these videos. You guys are great.

  • @christopherborner1139
    @christopherborner11394 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Great explanation! I was wondering why that was so high. Thanks.

  • @fadhlulimran5935
    @fadhlulimran59354 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the amazing content Sir!You help me a lot.Please dont stop making new videos

  • @korgmanm6957
    @korgmanm69573 жыл бұрын

    Wow great job explaining! Thank you!

  • @tonymckay9031
    @tonymckay90315 жыл бұрын

    Really good visual and knowledgeable explanation. On a side note I have two new life goals.. one is to have 100% humility.. the other is for my supply duct to always have 100% humidity.

  • @chrisb3299
    @chrisb32995 жыл бұрын

    thanks man you saved my harvest from rotting while drying....I had a portable ac unit right up against my drying room to keep the temp down but I could not keep my humidity to an acceptable limit. I backed off my portable ac . made a duct system to my room and like magic or science the humidity dropped by 20 thanks for the knowledge. if you are ever in Toronto I got a nice bud for you to smoke

  • @JuanTodoli
    @JuanTodoli5 жыл бұрын

    Best way ever to explain relative humidity: a simple sponge.

  • @ChrisBence
    @ChrisBence3 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @hozerhvac4406
    @hozerhvac44067 жыл бұрын

    Nice video! I always wondered that.

  • @FunforWu
    @FunforWu2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the explanation. I was wonder why my supply air at home is at like 99% RH at 56% at the air vent. I would thought the cold air coming out would be very dry with low RH.

  • @Kinny313
    @Kinny3136 жыл бұрын

    Ever use enthalpy change to verify moisture removal across the evap?

  • @JAshw84
    @JAshw844 жыл бұрын

    Can you explain how blower speed impacts humidity? When you increase blower speed, do you have to add more R-410A?

  • @ifferl8781
    @ifferl87814 жыл бұрын

    I understand the sponge example and in or near the coil. How does this apply to a home? 88% dehumidifing is happening?

  • @tyl8ter
    @tyl8ter5 жыл бұрын

    Little confused.....I took some measurement today with the alnor 6200d ...and 605is....1284 cfm with 52,437 btu/h...??? I took the measurements twice roughly same numbers......does this sound right to you...If not sure can you ask Bergman....thanks

  • @anthonyrodriguez243
    @anthonyrodriguez2437 жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @coolaronimac6526
    @coolaronimac65266 жыл бұрын

    Very enlightening, thank you for posting this video. I downloaded a copy of the psychometric chart from hvacrschool.com and when I opened the PDF using Windows 10, I got a notice saying, "Can not find or create the font "arial narrow". Some characters may not display or print correctly." Unfortunately, I can't read most of the chart. Anyone have any suggestions how I can get this chart to display correctly?

  • @OcRefrig
    @OcRefrig6 жыл бұрын

    Good video.

  • @pilotmedic
    @pilotmedic2 жыл бұрын

    What would be the ok relative humidity inside the closet where the handler is?

  • @soleadoc8245
    @soleadoc82455 жыл бұрын

    So, am I understanding this correctly? Air has water holding potential, the warmer the air, the more potential and visa versa; the colder the air, less potential. As warm moist air is pushed through and cooled across the coil, the less potential it has to hold moisture and this is reduced through each running cycle of the areas volume. Now the higher humidity in the duct is the blower blowing across a cold saturated coil and putting some of that moisture in the duct but the cooler air won’t necessarily absorb it. The hygrometer is picking up that extra moisture showing a higher humidity( almost a false reading) If you take the hygrometer to a supply vent it should show a lower humidity as it definitely will in the larger open area of the room. Of coarse these humidity readings will continue to drop as the air cools, losing its moisture holding potential. Btw: great videos!

  • @bilalkhan-mq5qz
    @bilalkhan-mq5qz5 жыл бұрын

    Informative video. i need someone's help. i am facing a problem in laminar air flow system of operation theater, that there is too much moisture in laminar air flow while HVAC system works in summer. moisture levels is too high like water droplets fall from the Laminar air flow. plz guide me how can i control this. thank you

  • @workinprogress008

    @workinprogress008

    4 жыл бұрын

    Aprilaire dehumidifier.

  • @hemalahamed9463
    @hemalahamed94634 жыл бұрын

    What I need to do to reduce supply air humidity, or room humidity.

  • @user-ng6dq5el5w
    @user-ng6dq5el5w2 ай бұрын

    good video

  • @kinggenius6660
    @kinggenius66607 жыл бұрын

    can anything be done for the Testo 605i to be able to pick up at a longer distance? thank you for making videos !

  • @HVACS

    @HVACS

    7 жыл бұрын

    THE GENIUS REPAIRS not that I am aware of at this time

  • @chrischurch4558

    @chrischurch4558

    7 жыл бұрын

    THE GENIUS REPAIRS can you do a live share via wifi?

  • @OcRefrig

    @OcRefrig

    6 жыл бұрын

    If u want distance U could buy --- Fieldpiece Probes. They have greater distance. Like 1 city block unobstructed .See Norcals videos on fielpiece probe distances. Or a Air Probe from imanifold and a 900c Repeater Box for Mega Distance Like a 1/4 Mile with iconnect box. See my video on iconnect distance.

  • @notanewbie1718
    @notanewbie17187 жыл бұрын

    RELATIVE HUMILITY -- every relative is as humble as you are,,,,,, relatively.

  • @mel904
    @mel9044 жыл бұрын

    I would add the fact that the heat gain of the motor and friction of the fan blade will change your air properties. Rise in temperatures and lower RH% content value.

  • @ABC-wz2db
    @ABC-wz2db3 жыл бұрын

    Curious how much the positive pressure on supply side/negative pressure on return also contribute to the phenomena?

  • @HVACS

    @HVACS

    3 жыл бұрын

    your question is noted and i will answer it soon in my Q/A video

  • @HVACChillin
    @HVACChillin7 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always. Is there anyway you can add this to your podcast. Good not to hear Goodman bashing and cuss words once in a while.

  • @triplec3804
    @triplec38043 жыл бұрын

    So, warmer air coming in through the return can hold more moisture, & the colder air can hold less. As the air passes through the coil it becomes colder and thus shrinking the air molecules and wringing out the water( condensation)making the relative humidity on the supply side high, because of lack of molecular space to contain water?

  • @carultch

    @carultch

    Жыл бұрын

    The air molecules stay the same size, and so do the water molecules. To understand why air has a capacity to "hold" water vapor, you need to look at it in terms of Dalton's law of partial pressure. For a nice round number, consider air at 100 kPa of pressure. Suppose we have a given air mass that is 1% water vapor, by molecule population, which corresponds to a humidity mass ratio of 0.0063. Per Dalton's law of partial pressure, the partial pressure of each flavor of gas is proportional to the molecule population fractions (i.e. mole fractions). This means our sample's water vapor partial pressure is 1 kPa. Look up water's boiling point at 1 kPa, which is 6.97 Celsius. Any hotter than this, and the water vapor is perfectly at home in vapor form, being mixed with the air. Any colder than this, and water will condense until the partial pressure is low enough to support the remaining water vapor in vapor form. 6.97 Celsius is the dew point of this air mass that is 1% water vapor by molecule population. If you increase the mole fraction of water vapor, you'll increase the dew point. The water will be at a higher partial pressure, and if it were contained in a vessel separate from the air, it will boil at a higher temperature at that pressure. This therefore increases the minimum temperature that can support that composition of air. At 2% mole fraction, the dew point will be 17.5 C. At 3%, it will be 24.1C.

  • @djish3223
    @djish32233 жыл бұрын

    So say that was a fridge then the moisture would continue dropping?

  • @HaikuAutomation
    @HaikuAutomation4 жыл бұрын

    What is great, you rob others, and present it and give credit to the original source. TY for being youtube robber video guy. Better would be to describe the compression of the sponge as pressure, which is related to temperature (increase pressure, you increase temperatures). Problem is that most watching aren't into thermodynamics, or care.

  • @mikecummings2188
    @mikecummings21886 жыл бұрын

    what is the dew point

  • @carultch

    @carultch

    Жыл бұрын

    The dew point is the minimum possible temperature for an air/water mixture with a fixed mass ratio between the air and water vapor to exist without condensing. If you cool it without mass transfer, it will cool to the dew point. By contrast, if you cool it with mass transfer, but without heat transfer, it will cool to the wet bulb temperature, or adiabatic saturation temperature.

  • @craigspicer4296
    @craigspicer42962 жыл бұрын

    like it like always

  • @Barracuda48082
    @Barracuda480826 жыл бұрын

    ..and now for the guy who boosts fan speeds for airflow at the furthest supply and screws up all the great calculations we do .. Do another vid on airflow/ velocity and static pressure for a basic residential system and branch flow.

  • @mattpierce9409
    @mattpierce94094 жыл бұрын

    Cool air is more dense, which has less ability or "room" to hold moisture, relative to it's volumn, volumn being affected by temp. Wait...what? Let me replay this a 9th time..

  • @joeshearer1247
    @joeshearer12477 жыл бұрын

    Here is some Joe-isms that I've seen in the field taking these measurement. 1) the higher the cfm/ton the higher the supply rh which seems to contradict the bypass factor theory. Case in point your mini split 605i video 2) the more supply %RH the lower the capacity. I guess because you aren't pulling as much latent out. Basically because you aren't stripping the air going across the coil below its saturation point because your coil is warmer and larger with today's high seer coils. 3) obviously the lower the supply air RH the more your capacity will be I don't pretend to know all of the exact reasons for this but would love to see some videos more in depth I think Supply RH can give a lot of info about the system if we understood it more.

  • @HVACS

    @HVACS

    7 жыл бұрын

    Joe Shearer I think Case #1 in the ductless video was just a factor of runtime. I have experienced the opposite, but admittedly I have not used it on a daily basis. We are starting to do delivered capacity commissioning on new installs so we will have a much larger sample size to analyze soon.

  • @joeshearer1247

    @joeshearer1247

    7 жыл бұрын

    HVAC School please keep us posted on your findings I was speaking more on the newer high seer equipment with oversized evap coils.

  • @waitjustaminute2885

    @waitjustaminute2885

    6 жыл бұрын

    To answer your scenario #1 by where an increased airflow creates a higher %rh in the supply air. What you are seeing is a function of the reduced amount of time in which the moisture in the air is allowed to contact the coil surface. The ratio of sensible capacity is always higher than latent capacity and will therefore continue to increase the air density, thereby resulting in a higher rh. If you are truly attempting to de- humidify, it is most helpful to have a source of re-heat, ie hot gas bypass or a hot water coil. This allows you reduce your LAT to a lower temp thereby removing even more moisture. Then the air passes over the re- heat coil and is brought up to the 55 degree neighboorhood and you now have dry, cool, and dense air.

  • @kj4242
    @kj42422 жыл бұрын

    Cut the sponge in half as temp drops

  • @johntempest267
    @johntempest2674 жыл бұрын

    Key word is "relative". As in relative to current temp.

  • @peterhodgkins6985
    @peterhodgkins69854 жыл бұрын

    Relative humility! LOL

  • @tyl8ter
    @tyl8ter5 жыл бұрын

    return rh at 58%

  • @ifferl8781
    @ifferl87814 жыл бұрын

    Ps. funny guys

  • @fadhlulimran5935
    @fadhlulimran59354 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the amazing content Sir!You help me a lot.Please dont stop making new videos

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