Excellent message, Bob! This comforting truth will help frightened believers who think we're entering the trubulation. Sharing this with folks. Thank you!

Watched it again today !! Excellent message Bob ! Perfectly explained. Thank you so much 🙏🏻

That was the sermon I have been waiting on! It brought it all together to elucidate how the church got off the rails and what needs to be done to get it back on track. You did a masterful job of explaining why dispensationalism is not just false but perniciously corrosive. And you provided the hope needed by putting it perspective; as a church we are still in infancy. Time is on our side to learn from our errors and move on into the glory of His Kingdom, on earth as it is in heaven. Thank you, sir!

@b.williams7800

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry: I meant to say “by putting it INTO perspective”.

So so so so so so good!!

@tdmartin7

3 ай бұрын

Philippians 3:20-21 teaches us that Christ's resurrection body is the pattern of our resurrection body: "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory." We know that Christ was raised in a physical body because the disciples ate with Him after the resurrection (Acts 10:41) and touched Him (Matthew 28:9; see also John 20:27). Also, Jesus outright declared that His resurrection body was physical and touchable: "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have" (Luke 24:39; see also Acts 13:33-37). Since Christ's resurrection is the pattern of our resurrection, we will therefore be raised in a physical body as well.

My dream is to find a Preterist church!

@1Whipperin

Жыл бұрын

You have found the full preterist Church.

@phoenixrising4762

8 ай бұрын

There's a reason you won't find a govt sponsored body of truth

@colenewaltersmusicandother9330

6 ай бұрын

@@phoenixrising4762yup

@graysonbr

6 ай бұрын

Full preterism is heresy my friend. Partial preterism is not.

@pinnacleproductions6275

6 ай бұрын

@@graysonbr explanation?

I recently told a woman friend who is dispensation a list that I thought the Great Tribulation is past. It didn’t go well. Not only did she and her mother tell me I’m hell bound, they wouldn’t even listen when I tried to walk through the various verses that support preterism. And asking about her plan B if the rapture isn’t this year? That didn’t go well either.

@TonyDenton

2 жыл бұрын

It's very sad when folks don't emulate the Berean mindset that God so approved of in Acts 17. All we can do is keep on doing our best to find everyone possible within each of our individual worlds who are searching with open hearts. :)

@SpotterVideo

11 ай бұрын

Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return. ==================================================================== New Covenant Whole Gospel: What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZread videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay. .

@Spark_Iskra_z_Polski

9 ай бұрын

​@SpotterVideo too many words and some disappointment because you advise a thorough check up of the biblical understanding and yet you base yours on books and still seem to hold on to dispensationalism as if this sermon fell on deaf ears. Do what you preach. Verify your own beliefs before God. He led me to preterist understanding without preterist influence and under the dispensationalist brainwashing. God guides and protects.

@SpotterVideo

9 ай бұрын

@@Spark_Iskra_z_Polski You are very confused, if you think I am promoting Dispensational Theology. It is one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church. Watch the video I produced for KZread titled "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", if you want the proof. Hyper-Preterism is another deception. Hyper-Preterism Unmasked: Is Matthew 10:23 about 70 AD, or is it about Jesus coming as the King to Israel? The answer is found below in Zech. 9:9. Did Jesus "cometh" as the King of Israel riding on a donkey during the week He was crucified? If Matthew 10:23 is about 70 AD, Peter ignored the commandment given by Jesus in Matthew 10:5-7, when Peter went to the house of Cornelius. It did not take the disciples forty years to take the Gospel to Israel. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period of the Gospel going "first" to Israel is found in Matt. 10:5-23, and Acts chapter 2, and Acts 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18. Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. The Old Covenant age died at Calvary when God ripped the temple veil in half from the top to the bottom at the moment His Son died at Calvary. There is no record in the NT of any person coming to salvation outside of the New Covenant between Calvary and 70 AD. Hebrews 7:12 proves there was a change in the law before 70 AD. We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant Church of Mount Zion and the blood of Jesus in Hebrews 12:22-24. This passage was written in the present tense before 70 AD. If the Hyper-Preterists (Full-Preterists) were correct the Old Covenant age would come back into existence if a temple were rebuilt, and animal sacrifices are renewed. Any basic book on Astronomy proves we are not now living in the "eternal" New Heavens and New Earth, because the sun only has a limited amount of nuclear fuel. We now understand the nuclear reaction inside the core of the sun, because of the testing of thermonuclear weapons.

@AnneofAvonlea

6 ай бұрын

Good for you!😺thanks for sharing

Powerful sermon, thank you for sharing! In order to educate more people I think we need a grass roots movement. I love that this church exists for us online but I don't have a full preterist church to attend in my area or probably in my state! I refuse to attend other churches because they don't teach scripture and it is so cringe to hear dispensation doctrine endlessly. I would start a church myself if I were not such a bad example :(

@MilVetGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@Chicken Nuggets Thanks for sharing the burden and being honest! Appreciate it!

@lexle6203

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@MilVetGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@Chicken Nuggets I couldn't agree more! It is nice to know I am not alone! Nice name tag too, lol. Makes a man hungry! 😆

@Danstaafl

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto!

@SELAHPAUSE

2 жыл бұрын

We need a preterist teacher to invade TBN that will get Preterism out there

This was absolutely fantastic!

@tdmartin7

3 ай бұрын

Philippians 3:20-21 teaches us that Christ's resurrection body is the pattern of our resurrection body: "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory." We know that Christ was raised in a physical body because the disciples ate with Him after the resurrection (Acts 10:41) and touched Him (Matthew 28:9; see also John 20:27). Also, Jesus outright declared that His resurrection body was physical and touchable: "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have" (Luke 24:39; see also Acts 13:33-37). Since Christ's resurrection is the pattern of our resurrection, we will therefore be raised in a physical body as well.

I appreciate these strong positive responses I can use to defend the question at hand regarding what do we do now if Preterism is true. Thanks!

This is wonderful. Thank you so much.

as Dr. Gary North wrote: "Anyone who adopts, promotes, and preaches a pessimistic eschatology of defeat... makes an argument for the Historical insignificance and cultural impotence of Christ's work at Calvary".

Good morning well spoken word of NEW JERUSALEM AND SQUARED CUBE KINGDOM THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE EARTH 🌏 AMEN ROYAL PRIESTS GOSPEL FILLED VICTORIOUS TESTIMONY KEEPERS ❤

This was very well-done and informative, thank you!

Excellent presentation, thank you.

Good word today! The book references are appreciated. The 43:29 statement that New Jerusalem is "the same number of square miles as the Roman Empire---or the known world at the time" was an interesting observation, as well. Thanks!

This is a call to stand up against dispensationalism.. The Church lost its saltiness and made impotent from bringing forth the kingdom boldly. Thus the Church Is experiencing being trampled on as a result and the world now is experiencing the bad fruit of societal decline.

Excellent!!!!

Awesome message!

I've been a Bible believing born again Christian for 50 years and I've never liked labels; I never considered myself a dispensationalist either. However, this doctrine of Preterism is false and is more dangerous than even what the so-called dispensationalist are peddling. With all due respect, and also believing that the proponents of Preterism are most likely sincere Christians; just look at how this man misquoted Matthew 24:30 (32:30 minutes into his sermon). HE SAID that this passage says that the destruction of Jerusalem was the sign; BUT it does NOT say that at all. It says the- The Son of Man appearing in heaven was the sign, and then the "tribes of the earth" would mourn." Also, when Jesus said, (There are some standing here that shall not taste death until they see the Kingdom coming in power;) all three instances in the gospels are followed by the Transfiguration. 2 Peter 1:16-18; the apostle Peter himself confirms that the Transfiguration was a vision of the "coming of the Lord Jesus Christ." I don't claim to understand it all; and we all see through a glass dimly; and I hardly ever make comments, but this doctrine of Preterism is a sad exegesis of the holy word. My heart cries out to the Lord for us all!

It's sad Christians need to be a light to the Church more than to the world. I must remember that Christ gave me the power. Through Jesus I have the victory. Now what, how do I work to unite the community Church and get my community Churches to fellowship with each other? They are all in competition for membership!

Man I've been saying this for years. Yes the world looks glim right now but it's Christian horrible theology (dispensationalism) that has it's hands extremely dirty in the making of it.

@jasonbatos3418

Жыл бұрын

This was fantastic!

@hamilton9651

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying that dispensationalism is the reason why there is so much evil in the world? You are delusional trying to justify a theology of idiocy!

@colenewaltersmusicandother9330

6 ай бұрын

Our churches and theology was created by the Rockefellers

@colenewaltersmusicandother9330

6 ай бұрын

Federal Council of Churches in America. Created by the Rockefellers.

@graysonbr

6 ай бұрын

Suggest examining the sin nature of people a little bit longer. I seriously don't think Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot were dispensationalist.

my thing is, why do you need other sources talking about the bible, than the bible itself? if the bible clearly says that EVERY EYE WILL SEE, then you seriously need more than 1 resource than just josephus. i just cant agree with preterism because it only focuses on 1 event (70AD) while ignoring everything else. where's the 1000year kingdom? or is that the part where you say that's not a literal thousand year? where's the part where God burned the earth and started over? or was that also not literal? my problem with escatology in general is everyone picks their interpretation and argue when someone disagrees and go straight to condemnation or calling each other heretics. if all this revelations happened in 70AD, than there should be no trace of evidence of an old world past 2000years ago, because it was all burnt, and this is a new earth where there is no more sin......no wait....thats not literal either. ahhhhhhhhh im pretty sure when this revelation is fulfilled, there will be absolutely no mistaking that it is indeed our Lord in the sky. it will be so obvious that God has to put a strong delusion on the ones that get left, so they can get deceived by antichrist.

@shellyblanchard5788

2 жыл бұрын

Every eye in that century it was talking to would see him. We weren't in the time Jesus was crucified. That why it said those who periced will see him. We will see him one day in a different way. Right now he lives with us in the new covenant.

@MilVetGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Here is an excerpt from a response to the 1000 year reign from a google search and the answer is very interesting. I will try to post a link but YT likes to make posts disappear when doing such so I will post the link after this post.... "The 1000 year reign is one of exponential Christian growth between the Jerusalem's conquest in 70 AD in the Jewish-Roman war to 1073 AD when the Turks conquered Jerusalem. It's not exactly 1000 years, but I'm sure you could make a case for corresponding millennial events. That puts us in the new heaven and earth age. God's systems are pretty much set up. Christianity continues to bless the world by association (salt of the earth) at 31.7% (population) and the dead are continuously judged as Revelation 20 dictates." I find this response quite amazing as it applies an intriguing perspective to the question. All my life I had so many unanswered questions about scriptures and our faith. In 2012 I had what they call here a paradigm shift. Never has scripture been so easy to understand since then in light of the preterist view point. I urge you to dig deep into this with an open mind and search it out for yourself as I did. It all starts to make sense and my belief in Christ, though my faith is weak at times, has become more rock solid as each year passes. Today, my greatest challenge is to live up to the image and present the best version of myself as a believer to the world around me. I constantly struggle with this... every day. I hope I could help you thus far. God speed!

@MilVetGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Other responses are at that link which may provide insight to the proper interpretation. Nonetheless, it is a worthy subject topic and I would love to hear a sermon on the topic from Pastor David since this is a typical question that arises consistently across churchianity.

@shellyblanchard5788

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilVetGaming Yes I know exactly what you are saying. We have to understand though the disciples were very inquisitive about when these things would be. One of them when the end of the world would be, and the other the end of the age. Just like people now days they wonder when the world going to end. One even asked what the sign of his coming. Jesus told them when false Christ's arise and deceive many, or to say he is desert or in a secret place. He told how he would come, and what the end would be. He told them that Jerusalem would be destroyed but he didn't know when the temple would be only that when the armies would surround Jerusalem they would know to flee to mountains, and to not to back for their belongings. For the time was going to be worse than it ever was since the world began. The thing about it is we have always read it like it was going to be in our time instead of the generation he was talking about. 🤔

@angusmccleod8814

2 жыл бұрын

Sonic Sega: Go to the Berean KZread site and look for his messages on "The Magnitude of the Millennium" and "The Millennium and the Second Exodus." There are three follow-up messages: "The binding of Satan in the Gospels," "The Binding of Satan in Revelation" and "The First Resurrection." These all deal extensively with the Revelation 20 question.

This whole thing is confusing, no matter which View you take!!😩

@joemajor1156

5 ай бұрын

Study more with assurance you will cone to appreciate the Truth of Covenant Eschatology, or Realized Eschatology.

It's important because it makes you thankful you aren't in it

So excited about this! I’ve been sharing his video from here on the millennium and the hyperbolic use of numbers in Scripture. So fun :)

@robertcruickshank560

2 жыл бұрын

Hearts & Minds: Thank you for your kind comments!

Long time nondispinsationalist Christian. New to Preterism. Will there be a final day of judgement? And what happens when one dies?

@SugoiEnglish1

4 ай бұрын

The day of judgment in scripture was for 1. Israel who broke the Old Covenant and 2. For those who persecuted the first Christians.

@hiruzensarutobi9771

20 күн бұрын

@@SugoiEnglish1what happens when we die?

Wonderful sermon!! The Church really began to lose touch with its original mission right after the Schofield Reference Bible was published in 1909. That bible was given to seminaries across the land and used to train young preachers in that futurist eschatology program. That publish date can pinpoint the real swinging away of the Church's mission.

Please read from the physical Bible - then you won’t encounter the technical glitches.

Preterism is not true. And we in Messiah do have something to do: endure and overcome.

@John_16.13

9 ай бұрын

Yes. Learn Historicist Bible prophecy truth from David Nikao!

@godisreality7014

9 ай бұрын

@@John_16.13 David Nikao Wilcoxson teaches the Messiah is "a jew of Judah" - which is a very basic lie. Messiah is of Joseph, through Ephraim, the firstborn.

Please Share Romans 10:13

Amen, hallelujah!

Love this video. I watched it. Before. I'm gonna watch it again. Some time again today. Full Preterism (is the way). Your life will become peaceful. Once you do.

I am confused. I have heard several sermons here where the "on the clouds" was explained as symbolism comparing coming judgement in Isaiah 19 by the Assyrians on Egypt to Jerusalem being attacked by the Romans. Now this guy is saying that Jesus was actually seen coming on the clouds. I am just searching for Truth and this matter confuses me.

@carolynsharpe9143

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, it's both. We tend to think in terms of "either-or" and have a hard time fitiing two ideas side by side with some overlap, maybe. The Roman Jewisn war was the last day of the Lord and it's my understanding that No man can see God with our physical eyes. That being said, there are many examples in the Old Testament were men interact with angels and the angel of the Lord. Many understand the angel of the Lord as a Christophony. We see Christ in the flesh although being God. Christ came in the glory of His Fahter. This was the sign for those living in that generation, just like the sign of Jonah, Christ's resurrection, also like many arose in that generation at the time of Christ's resurrection. They were prived to those special revelations.

@robertcruickshank560

2 жыл бұрын

Day12My: I don’t think it has to be an “either/or.” It’s more of a “both/and.” The coming on the clouds metaphor is judgment language, but we shouldn’t rule out the miraculous.

@bible1st

9 ай бұрын

The truth is preterism is false.

@user-ir8dw8ek9c

7 ай бұрын

@@bible1st Hit and run comment, huh?

What does it mean *to work our own Salvation"?

@Preachersunplugged

5 ай бұрын

Hello @arliegage1380, if I may say, Paul is telling his subjects in Philippi to work out their own salvation with and fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. Paul is prescribing that they continue to move forward in their faith in God, for God dwells within the saved individual and directs us for His purposes. It’s always taught in the Bible to walk humbly before God that He may lift us up in due time. Paul is encouraging saved people to continue to walk out their faith and not become complacent or stagnant. Hope this helps! 🙏

@CTomCooper

3 ай бұрын

The salvation of the soul, or a man’s own personality, which is a transformation of the mind that takes time. A man’s spirit is raised with Christ’s upon being drawn to Him and believing in Him. So that salvation, or restoration, of a man’s spirit being brought back to the Father through Christ Who’s resurrected means that a man’s daily and habitual work should be synergistic with God’s continual inward work of transforming his mind. God’s residing and growing in a man’s heart really is what causes faith to grow, and the (good)works men do are the spontaneous byproduct of that growing relationship. They’re not to please God. They’re done in knowing that God is already pleased, and what He is pleased with is finishing his transformative work within man.

Wow, he blames people waiting for Jesus and the rapture for the failures of the church and society. However, one whom Jesus loved has a different perspective: 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

What is your take on Kim Burgess? I think he makes more sense than anyone.

He uses Josephus to say that Jesus was seen returning in the clouds in 66 AD. The problem is Josephus never mentions Jesus in his quote that he uses, so what is he talking about? Then he adds a quote from Jude to the mix. Jude never says his vision was about the return of Jesus at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. One has to be very careful about sources from outside the Bible to promote a particular theology. Many people claim heavenly visions and trips to heaven and hell and the bookstores and Amazon are full of them. We are warned, not to go beyond what is written, 1 Cor 4:6.

@markanthony3275

6 ай бұрын

We have secular historical records of almost every major and minor event in history going back as far as Babylon...but we have no secular record of the return of Jesus Christ who the Bible says "every eye will see"... preterists have no explanation for that, nor can they, because preterism is false.

@ricoyochanan

6 ай бұрын

​@@markanthony3275Absolutely, it shows the power of being in denial.

As Chilton wrote: "We can imagine a couturier assuring a nervous Pharoah that Hebrew influence was in decline as plagues descended upon Egypt. Surely, this Moses fellow couldn't liberate the children of Israel... Yet, they plundered the Egyptians of all their silver and gold! And, the rider and the chariot were drowned in the sea... Similarly, world conditions appeared dim before the first Christmas. Things looked worse AFTER the first Christmas when Herod was slaughtering infants throughout the land... And, it appeared that Christian influence was in decline on Good Friday. But... God! His sovereign plan to REDEEM His people will prevail".

What about historicism. Is the man of sin the papacy. Those who.fought to improve.society.were historicists against papal tyranny

I agree with this half and half. Good thing Jesus has fulfilled everything of the old covenant.

@antoniotulum4776

2 жыл бұрын

exactly,he only fullfilled the jew part..now he ha sto fullfill the gentile part,the judgment of all the world, not just jews, and himself appearing a second time an laying his feet on earth

@shellyblanchard5788

2 жыл бұрын

@@antoniotulum4776 you may not with agree with me on this , but , he placed judgement on Jerusalem during that time, and world he was talking about was the world of the Jews. I think we are in the age was to come of new heaven and earth. He lives us. Jesus told the Jews he would take the kingdom from them and give it the one bearing. Yes I believe we see him physically one day.😉

@antoniotulum4776

2 жыл бұрын

@@shellyblanchard5788 notice zechariah 14 , and rev 20 says he fights the nations that fight against jerusalem... JESUS doesnt say he fights with the nations against jerusalem as preterists LIE ABOUT. .. so no, i dont agree when he says judgment to the world is judgment against the jews, because he says first come judgment to his house (jews) then to thos eoutside his house. and we only haad judgment against th ejews in 70 ad that didnt even end there, as preterists lie about..(bar koba revolutions, muslims, turks, saracenes in control of holy land, etc) and yes, i agree, thats my understanding from scriptures (that my head cant completely grasp) that we will see him physically one day , as you also agree, but definitely , and without a doubt , the first time we see him, it will be at judgmnent of dead and undead, where we will surely be allowed to stay with him for all eternity, not because of what we did, but thanks to what he did...

Full preterism is incorrect. They have to shorten the 1000 year reign of the Messiah and the saints in Rev 20:4 to 6, and ignore the fact that at the final judgment death and hades, and everyone whose name was not found in the book of life were thrown into the lake of fire in v11 to 15. It's pretty clear that Rev 20: 7 to 21:27 have not been fulfilled yet. The current conditions in the world may be evidence that Satan has been released from the abyss to deceive the nations as prophesied in Rev 20:7 to 9. We must follow Yahshua's example and be separate from the world because it is perishing.

@billhesford6098

Жыл бұрын

Dunno about that. I used to believe it like you, for about 40 years. Does God own the cattle on 1,000 hills? Not 999 or 1,001? Surely it is not even speaking to cows and hills. Different cultures speak differently. My wifes Egyptian culture has a song she and her young friends sang, "Love is pepper in the eyes." Really? When I say that shop is a million miles away, am I really meaning one million miles? Anything even close to one literal million miles? Of course not. If that was in the bible I wonder what dispensationalist scholars would say? Worse than that, the idea of everything being literal in the bible is such nonsense for anybody who approaches it honestly. We pick and choose our literal verses to bolster our church's dogma. Does anybody think the Lamb of God was a young sheep? No, not 'really'.

@solitairecat1

Жыл бұрын

@@billhesford6098 The Hebrew eleph (Strong's H505) that is translated 'thousand' in Rev 20:2 is found in Dan 12:11 & 12 where it means exactly '1,000'. The problem may be that the word translated 'years' is שנים (Strong's H8147) that means 'two', so it should say ". . . and bound him for thousand two . . ." in Rev 20:2, ". . . until complete thousand the two . . ." in Rev 20:3, and ". . . after thousand the two . . ." . We are living in the generation when Satan will be released which is why the world has gone mad. The prophesy in Rev 20, aligns with Daniel 7: 9 - 14, when the 'Son of Man' became king, "the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time" v12. This is referring to Satan being bound for 'a thousand two . . . after which he must be released for a short time' Rev 20: 1 - 3. Clearly we must look at the Hebrew text to comprehend its meaning, because even where the translators have done their best to represent the meaning, they have biases that often obscures the message.

@billhesford6098

Жыл бұрын

@@solitairecat1 Thanks for clarifying that. So God owns the cattle on exactly one thousand hills. Interesting.

@ouiamelie

10 ай бұрын

Also Isaiah 19:3023. But that also confirm ps partial Preterismo.

@solitairecat1

10 ай бұрын

@@ouiamelie In Rev 11:8 Jerusalem is called Sodom and Egypt. I'll have to take a closer look at that chapter. Thanks 😊

Informative refutation of preterism. KZread MZTV 336 and MZTV 1137, 1138 and 1139. It's all a big, no, not misunderstanding. Mistranslation.

in my town im a lone no church or group to talk. the people i try to talk to look at me like a freak. nearest church is 60 miles away dont have a car that can make that trip. so what to do when you have no one to share the truth.

@mrhickswife

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can start an online group? Or a local study? I will pray be praying the Lord will provide!

@hayzersolar

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrhickswife well I have talk to many people but they think I'm crazy and they don't talk bible to me anymore. I tried Facebook groups but there are people who starts trouble so I quit Facebook. Yep GOD will provide if it his will. I just have so much different stuff I can show like rev 17:9-10 ,rev 18:10,20,24 shows only Jews killed and Matt 23:35-38 is all tied together. So thanks and GOD bless

@taylorstevens8261

2 жыл бұрын

Find Tony Denton, A site for the Lord is the name of his website. Find his email address. He'll hook you up with other preterist believers near you!

As full preterists, do you guys believe in bodily ressurection and the final judgement?

@bible1st

9 ай бұрын

(crickets)

@thegrigs777

6 ай бұрын

Nope..Jesus already came, and the resurrection is spiritual not ohusical lolol( its as stupid as it sounds)

What is Rick’s podcast and where are some more stuff I can share with people at my church that are fighting me on this?

Why would a prediction of the temple being destroyed make someone divine? That doesn't follow at all.

@user-my5ze3dm2s

7 ай бұрын

See the end of minute 32.

He said there are 101 time texts in the NT. Is it possible to get a list of those 101 time texts somewhere?

@JamesLJesus

Жыл бұрын

Here is the complete list of 101 time indicators concerning major eschatological events: 1. “The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” (Matt. 3:2) 2. “Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Matt. 3:7) 3. “The axe is already laid at the root of the trees.” (Matt. 3:10) 4. “His winnowing fork is in His hand.” (Matt. 3:12) 5. “The kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matt. 4:17) 6. “The kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matt. 10:7) 7. “You shall not finish going through the cities of Israel, until the Son of Man comes.” (Matt. 10:23) 8. “…the age about to come.” (Matt. 12:32) 9. “The Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds.” (Matt. 16:27) 10. “There are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” (Matt. 16:28; cf. Mk. 9:1; Lk. 9:27) 11. “‘When the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?’ ‘…He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers, who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.’ ‘…Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and be given to a nation producing the fruit of it.’ …When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.” (Matt. 21:40-41,43,45) 12. “This generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” (Matt. 24:34) 13. “From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matt. 26:64; Mk. 14:62; Lk. 22:69) 14. “The kingdom of God is at hand.” (Mk. 1:15) 15. “What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vine-growers, and will give the vineyard to others. …They [the chief priests, scribes and elders] understood that He spoke the parable against them.” (Mk. 12:9,12) 16. “This generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” (Mk. 13:30) 17. “Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Lk. 3:7) 18. “The axe is already laid at the root of the trees.” (Lk. 3:9) 19. “His winnowing fork is in His hand…” (Lk. 3:17) 20. “The kingdom of God has come near to you.” (Lk. 10:9) 21. “The kingdom of God has come near.” (Lk. 10:11) 22. “What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others.” …The scribes and the chief priests…understood that He spoke this parable against them.” (Lk. 20:15-16,19) 23. “These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” (Lk. 21:22) 24. “This generation will not pass away until all things take place.” (Lk. 21:32) 25. “Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.’ Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.'” (Lk. 23:28-30; Compare Rev. 6:14-17) 26. “We were hoping that He was the One who is about to redeem Israel.” (Lk. 24:21) 27. “I will come to you. …In that Day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.’ …’Lord, what then has happened that You are about to disclose Yourself to us, and not to the world?'” (Jn. 14:18,20,22) 28. “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?” (Jn. 21:22) 29. “This is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days…'” (Acts 2:16-17) 30. “He has fixed a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness…” (Acts 17:31) 31. “There is about to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.” (Acts 24:15) 32. “As he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment about to come…” (Acts 24:25)

@matthewallenjackson

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesLJesus I only see 32 but that’s okay. I will copy and paste this.

@JamesLJesus

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewallenjackson I had to do it in 3 comments, The rest should be in the other 2.

@matthewallenjackson

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesLJesus thanks

@paulbrennan4163

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesLJesus The problem with these lists of time-statements is that they are all thrown together into one bag with the assumption that they all point to a single period of time. That there was an impending judgement closing in on Israel is something we now know, so it's hardly surprising to find time statements referring to that. But from that to assume that Jesus has therefore returned and that everything is fulfilled is absolutly *_riddled_* with problems. As far as the timing of Jesus return there are only a few verses that we can unequivically claim directly refer to that, and guess what, they all indicate that he was going to return after a long time.

Where is a Berean Bible church in Riverside County California?

Talk about a Second Coming! I don't remember reading about Moses Coming Again! Actually, he did come to the church we used to go to, and he brought donut holes! (Our preacher played Moses for a reenactment at VBS, and he tossed donut holes as manna to the kids!

Philippians 3:20-21 teaches us that Christ's resurrection body is the pattern of our resurrection body: "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory." We know that Christ was raised in a physical body because the disciples ate with Him after the resurrection (Acts 10:41) and touched Him (Matthew 28:9; see also John 20:27). Also, Jesus outright declared that His resurrection body was physical and touchable: "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have" (Luke 24:39; see also Acts 13:33-37). Since Christ's resurrection is the pattern of our resurrection, we will therefore be raised in a physical body as well.

Why isn’t it recorded in scripture, why do you need extra biblical references? What happened to sola scritura?

Can preterist tell me what islam is?

@TLW412

4 ай бұрын

Satan is released for a time to deceive the nations. Gog and Magog. Most of those nations were Islamic nations in modern times in Ezekiel . We are heading towards the Millennium being over of its not over already.

This channel has a video posted “Dangers of preterism”. So which is it? What does this church stand for?

@lavieenrose5954

28 күн бұрын

Berean Bible Church is a wonderful preterist church ❤

Please Share The Big Divide Sunday Or Saturday Where in Revelation is There An Answer???????

To understand "at hand" and "near" you have to look at what the prophets before Christ as well as Peter said in 2 Peter 3:1-8. He said to be mindful of the prophets and not ignorant of one thing and the is that 1 day is with YHWH as 1000 years and 1000 years as a day. It's how Adam died that day like Jubilees states because he didn't live to 1000 years. When you understand that and look back at the prophets, you'll see they use the same words as Yeshua. Here are a list of prophecies that say the day of the Lord is near and or at hand. Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Isaiah 13:6 (Around 740 BC) For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen Ezekiel 30:3(Around 600 BC) Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. Joel 1:15 (Around 300 BC) Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; Joel 2:1 (Around 300 BC) Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. Zephaniah 1:7 (Around 640 BC) When we flash forward to John the Baptist and the Messiah, they preach the same message and tell the disciples to teach this same message. We are to follow in his steps. Revelation was written in 90 AD and when he was seeing visions of the dead in Christ, they were impatiently waiting on judgement as they had yet to be resurrected in 70AD and were told that they'd need to wait longer. John was seeing future events. The people like Flavius Josephus who were writing along with other writers never saw the resurrection or Yeshua returning with the clouds of heaven at the right hand of his Father. When this happens, prophecy gives us a clear description and Revelation 16 is just a small glimpse into the details. We have to go back to prophecy and see all of the prerequisites and qualifiers for the return and millennial reign. Both Armageddon and the Gog and Magog scenario will have the same goal and similar outcomes, but once the Most High is king of the earth and we are reigning with Yeshua, there will be no other kings and our language will be restored to a pure language according to prophecy. There will also be no more war. None of these things have happened. 100 pound hail stones have also yet to fall from the sky and wipe out the wicked. If the enemy were bound in 70 AD, there would be no Roman Creeds or inquisitions or kings, or wars etc and we'd all have a pure language. In regard to the "That Generation verse" I highly recommend you checkout our last livestream about this topic. It's quite the undertaking to clear up the confusion on the few key verses, but it's worth going through them step by step to avoid not preaching the gospel of the kingdom and falling into the category of those in 2 Timothy 2:16-19.

Could you comment/clarify the line between full and partial preterism?

@scullyfox4271

2 жыл бұрын

Partial preterists believe the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled the Olivet discourse in Matthew 24, but that Jesus will still return in the future. Full preterists believe all has been fulfilled and Jesus did return and we are now living in the new heavens and the new earth.

@salven9173

2 жыл бұрын

@@scullyfox4271 Many thanks. Is there perhaps study bible/s that (consistently) expound the New Testament through the lens of preterist?

@scullyfox4271

2 жыл бұрын

@@salven9173 Not that I am aware of. There's still conflicting views on how everything was fulfilled so if there was such a study bible I'm not sure I would fully trust it.

@salven9173

2 жыл бұрын

@@scullyfox4271 This is a great challenge. As Bereans, we need to see that the eschatological arguments are able to consistently stand up to the preterist assumptions. Perhaps whole Bible commentaries from after Calvin until Darby/Scofield?

@stereotype5868

Жыл бұрын

@@scullyfox4271 check out derich jester on you tube

In Genesis 2:4, “generations of the heavens and the earth” (ESV) seems to include all of human history-the era begun by the creation of the universe. In Exodus 1:6 the “generation” who dies refers to everyone who had been alive during the time that Joseph and his brothers lived. In Numbers 32:13, the “generation” is limited to Israelites-the group of them, twenty years old and older, at the time of their refusal to enter the Promised Land. That one generation was doomed to wander in the wilderness until they all died, except for Joshua and Caleb. When the plural word generations occurs in the Bible, as in Isaiah 51:9 and Acts 14:16, it refers to an indefinite period of time-many successive generations. The original languages of the Bible used at least three different words that are translated “generation” in English. The Hebrew dor can refer to a normal, physical generation, as in Exodus 1:6. But it can also be used metaphorically to identify people of a distinguishable type. For example, Psalm 78:8 says, “They should not be like their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation, a generation whose heart was not steadfast, whose spirit was not faithful to God” (ESV). Here the word dor is used twice to refer to a group of people through a long period of time who were characterized by rebellion and sin. The “generation” in Psalm 78:8 is not limited to a normal thirty-year period but stretches back through the history of Israel to include all who were stubborn against God. The other Hebrew word we translate as “generation” is toledot. This doesn’t refer to the character of a group or an age but to how that age was generated. So the “generations of the heavens and the earth” in Genesis 2:4 refers to the time periods that started with creation and continued organically from that point. The “generations of Adam” in Genesis 5:1 means the civilization of people that began with him. The next “generation” is that of Noah, to include the flood and the civilizations that came after. Shem’s influence is marked as a “generation” as he was the father of the Semites (Genesis 11:10). And Terah’s, because he left Ur with his son Abram (Genesis 11:27). Later, Ishmael (Genesis 25:12) and Isaac (Genesis 25:19) were the source of new generations. In each case, the men either experienced or caused a significant event that changed the course of their family line. They generated a culture-altering event. In the New Testament, the Greek genea is the source of generation. It is similar to both Hebrew words. Literally, it means “fathered, birthed, nativity,” referring to a genetic line. But it can be used as both the time frame characterized by a specific cultural attitude and the people in that culture. In Matthew 1:17, the generations are marked off by significant events and people-Abraham, David, Babylonian captivity-like the Hebrew toledot. But when Jesus calls the Pharisees and scribes a “wicked and perverse generation,” He is referring to the culture that they lived in and encouraged (Matthew 12:39; see also Matthew 17:17 and Acts 2:40).

Would love more discussion on the 1000 years added to our curent timeline and rev 19 which tells us his name is not jesus anymore.

@S_raB

7 ай бұрын

Yeshua is Messiah's name. Always has been, always will be His proper name. Jesus is not the name of Messiah. Matt 1:25 is mistranslated into Greek/Latin ioseus, then jesus in English... If you look at the actual words & etymology (blue letter Bible is a great resource for this & free with zero ads) you'll see in Hebrew it is Yeshua/Yehoshua (strong's # H3091) meaning "YHWH is salvation". The same name of Moses's successor - Joshua in English, but truly should be Yeshua, as no "J" exists in Hebrew...not even the "J" sound will be made speaking Hebrew. Yeshua makes sense when you know the prophecy, "A prophet, like unto Moses" & in OT YHWH said, "Joshua, as I was with Moses, so I will be with you." Scripture is beautiful when you really dig in deep and always explains itself so perfectly when you study the original words, not just the translations on the pages. Rev 19 is mistranslated in every Bible I've checked. "Lord of lords" is incorrect, as the Hebrew equivalent is YHWH (Yahweh, or some pronounce as Jehovah which is literally sounding out each "letter" of the Hebrew). So it should read, "Kimg of kings & YHWH of yhwh" literally saying He is God of gods. Personally I think that falls short though as the word in Greek means more plainly "the owner," literally the person who has power & authority to make all decisions concerning the thing owned & when I think of Yeshua that way it makes perfect sense as Yeshua confirms His authority in Matthew 28:18-20 (sidenote, His power is confirmed by the resurrection & miracles before that) "...All authority has been given to Me in Heaven & on Earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations..." "Lord" is a perversion. In the OT you know what word is "Lord"? Answer: Baal. You think YHWH or Yeshua wants to be called Baal? Oh man, that's a whole nother can of worms I've opened now. Simply put, most of the time you read "Lord" in the Bible it's mistranslated YHWH into Lord. Ba'al however is correctly translated as lord & means "owner, husband, lord". So you see how bad that is? These translations have literally mixed the name of God YHWH with the name Ba'al! Over 6,000 times you'll read "Lord" and in Hebrew it is literally God's name that he told to Moses - YHWH. And only 80 times (approximately) is it actually a word that means "lord". So all yourself, why would bibles use a title instead of the Name of God? Like I wrote, it's a big can of worms. You can research for yourself or check out YHWH assembly video, "Why I don't follow Jesus as Lord any longer" or something very close to that title. But then Berean method - STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. YHWH bless you, keep you, & open your eyes to see & ears to hear.

What is this speaker name

Preterism is only important if you prove that it is authentic, then it becomes very important.

I have come to understand the truth of partial preterism. We are living in the final few years of the Short Season. Most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation have already been fulfilled. In scripture, we are at Revelation 20:7 and 2nd Esdras 11:32. Analysis, proofs, dates, and timelines at my YT channel.

This is delusional and sad that so many shut out the Holy Spirit and trust in doctrines of men. So, if Jesus has already returned in 70ad this means that the Jews have missed their Messiah twice now. I guess it also means there's no need for a tribulation either. What are you people going to do when everything you believe and teach comes crashing down around you? Jesus is about to prove you so wrong.

In regard to Matthew 24:34 speaking of "...this generation shall not pass until all is fulfilled." If you look up the Greek word translated "generation" in this Matthew passage, you will see Strong's Concordance says, the definition is RACE, family, or generation. If the verse said, "This race shall not pass away until all is fulfilled..." That changes the meaning of the passage, dramatically. From day one, Satan has wanted to destroy the Jewish race. He used Hamen, Hitler and Hamas in particular and Islam in general down through the centuries, to try and eradicate the Jews.

@PeterDeLuca-rz3dv

6 ай бұрын

If that’s what you’re going with, you’re left with “The Jewish race (this generation) shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled.” So the Jewish race is going to pass away completely once Matthew 24 is fulfilled? I thought the millennium was for the Jews? This is the absurdity of dispensationalism.

@MB777-qr2xv

6 ай бұрын

I'm just saying that's what Strong's Concordance says: "1074. γενεά (genea) -- race, family, generation - Greek" Do you believe this happened in the first century? Matthew 24:30-31: “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then ALL the peoples of the earth (NOT just Jerusalem) will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, (NOT just Jerusalem) from one end of the heavens to the other." IF this happened in the first century and ALL the peoples of the earth saw the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, I think it would be the most spectacular event in all of history and historical records around the entire world would be rife with reports of dumbfounded people in total shock at the most amazing sight ever! Notice it says ALL the people of the earth and not just those around Jerusalem. Or are you saying All the peoples of the earth is a metaphor for people around Jerusalem. Also, Peter says, "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and all its works will be laid bare. Sorry, I just don't see where this happened in the first century Jerusalem. I don't know for sure. I'm just trying to piece this all together from scripture. I can see some truth to preterism, some truth to Calvinism, some truth to futurism, but not the dogmatic "truth" that some in these camps are heralding.

@MB777-qr2xv

2 ай бұрын

@@PeterDeLuca-rz3dv What do you believe about the millennial reign? is it in the past or are we in it right now? Either way, what about this: In Revelation 20 it says this, "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should DECEIVE THE NATIONS NO MORE till the thousand years were finished. So, if you say we are in the Millennium now, that means, according to scripture, Jesus is reigning, and Satan is bound so as not to deceive the nations anymore. Satan is absolutely deceiving the nations; you have whole nations that are steeped in Islam, worshipping Allah instead of Christ. Some nations worship Buddha or one of the 300 million Hindu Gods. Other nations (communist nations) are atheistic. Then how can you say Jesus is reigning already from Heaven when we have a wicked sinful world? 2nd Timothy 3:1-5 it says, “There will be terrible times in the LAST days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God." IF Christ were reigning, do we really think we would have over a billion Muslims, who view Jesus as a prophet right below Mohamad, a billion Buddhists, who believe Jesus was an enlightened person, a billion Hindus, who believe Jesus studied yoga and became a guru to the Jews, a billion Catholics who are entrusting their souls to Mary at the hour of their death, nearly a billion atheists, the LGBTQ running rampant, TV shows and movies, that continually blaspheme God and His Christ, alcohol, drugs, human trafficking, and colleges that have become propaganda mills that promote Godless, Big-bang theology and Darwinian Evolution, and a host of other sinful deeds that will be eliminated during the reign of Jesus Christ, our Holy God. But ONLY during the Millennial Reign is Satan bound so as not to deceive the nations. So, the Millennial Reign has to be different, in fact better than the rest of history. Outside of the Millennial Reign, Satan is not bound, so he is clearly deceiving the nations. This means, in a nutshell, when Satan is not bound=bad times. When Satan is bound=good times, nations NOT deceived. I think you are convinced on preterism whether scripture agrees or not. Am I being too harsh? Am I wrong?

It's called apocalyptic language and Don K says. Doesn't mean a literal army was in the clouds. It meant war was at hand and it was attributed to Yahweh and his judgment. Josephus actually says Vespasian was the MESSIAH

2 Pet 3:8 ¶But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Soon to God isn't like soon to us....Isa 55:8

Okay help me out her please. Based on this gentleman's description a full preterist believe we currently live in God's Kingdom on earth and out job is to change the entire population towards Christ? While I believe anything is possible in Christ I'm not sure about this goal. There are many people who do not want to know God & Christ and never will. How can these two polar opposites be achieved? (PS: I'm not a true partial preterist but for this discussion that is close enough).

@TonyDenton

2 жыл бұрын

God has never expected us to convert the entire population of the world to Christ; what Robert is saying is that it's expected of us to do all we can in each of our individual worlds to convert people to Christ. Since man was given free will, God knows that not all will (as you said) accept the gift offered.

@rustyballard18

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyDenton - And this just goes on forever without end?

@TonyDenton

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, "world without end" (Eph. 3:21). ;)

@antoniotulum4776

2 жыл бұрын

full preterism is a hoax. they dont deal with the judgment of the whole world, only jews. preterist s have jesus coming to earth 20 or 30 times, they cant discern coming in judgment in clouds is not the paraousia...

@TonyDenton

2 жыл бұрын

As usual in my experience for half of my 40-year full-time ministry career, folks who think they understand full/consistent preterism really don't. Christ's AD 70 judgment was all-encompassing, backwards and forwards, for everyone who has ever lived and everyone who will ever live for it's the hub-judgment around which all eternal life or eternal death revolves. It was directly the judgment of the people thru whom Jesus came, but it was also the judgment by which all mankind is judged, meaning that all before AD 70 are judged based upon the judgment of AD 70, and all since then have been and will be judged based upon it. In other words, for example, when I die, I will be judged (Heb. 9:27) based upon whether or not I died as a believer in Christ and His "actual" finished work given to Him by His Father. If at death I'm a believer, I'll continue to live on forever thereafter in my conciliatory relationship with my Creator; but, if at death I'm not a believer, then I'll not continue to live period, for Christ's offer was life or death, thus I'll die like the dog rover and die all over, i.e. eternal death since I'll have no connection to/with the source of all life, whether physical or spiritual. Oh, and full preterism teaches parousia like no other, for at the AD 70 judgment is when, after Jesus finished every i-dot and t-cross of the Law (Luke 21:22), He and His Father came to dwell with the righteous here: The church didn't go up, but They came down (Rev. 21:1-3); They came to dwell with us here as Jesus promised (John 14:2-3 & 23).

Question to my preterist brothers and sisters,if adam and eve didn't sin were they still be alive today?

@dcbobpreterist1192

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say this is a good question for anyone, and the answer should be the same for everyone: only if the ate from the Tree of Life. It was there in the garden, BEFORE the fall, for a reason. IMHO.

@bible1st

9 ай бұрын

Revelation 2:7 - He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 22:2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

@dannyg2311

9 ай бұрын

No. It is spiritual death, not physical. They were in physical flesh and blood bodies. Not glorified. It would be impossible for them to live forever. It means they could have jumped from high mountains and defied the laws of physics and survived unscathed if it meant physical death. Nonsense. Jesus undid what Adam did: spiritual death. This physical vessel will always return to the dust upon physical death.

Church is the name of the daughter of Helios

If you read Joel says he would pour out his spirit on all flesh. The sun would go dark also and moon would turn to blood. These are symbolic things that would happen. The age to come all started after the cross. It just time for all to happen.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It is a bit of a bummer for a fundamentalist because you’re left wishing for the end of the world and before that you’re suppose to be prosecuted and there are plagues, etc. but how do you build a nationalist theocracy in the present when you have that to look forward to? The Bible doesn’t say anything about that. So it’s been interesting to hear evangelicals trying out different ways around the book of revelations.

Preterism is imported to the Devil.

Kingdom Now, Christianize the World for Jesus to return to. We can’t.

Why the stretch? Why do we need to quote from secular sources to argue our theory? Who are all these people your quoting from, and why would I care about them? Why all the mystery and restructuring of words, and phrases, and ideas of men? Why not just read God's word? faces in the clouds? Are you kidding me? Why wasn't this MAJOR new testament event recorded anywhere and everywhere, by anyone, in the entire new testament writings? The first writings weren't even recorded till 30 to 70 to 200 AD, after this would have happened.. Was it not important to mention? Btw, God's word says that all script, INSPIRED OF GOD, is profitable. He did not say all script is profitable. Our buddy Paul leaves that part out, as he did many things. As he did in Roman's 10:6-8, when referencing Deuteronomy 30:11-14, leaving out the, "That you may do it," part.. lol. Just the other day I was playing the what can you see in the clouds game. We see what we want to see I suppose. But God is God, regardless of how we'd like to fashion Him..

Jesus is a name that's not even 400 years 0ld

@phoenixrising4762

8 ай бұрын

His name is not Jesus anymore, read rev19

I like you guys, I enjoy most of your teachings but I took a couple naps watching this video, just teach biblical information stop bashing dispensation believing Christians, get to the point with the Bible and not with a bunch of "he said" "she said" information.

@mireliomarzo6468

2 ай бұрын

Edgar, that’s one “hell” of an ignorant comment. Napping indeed is what dispensation believing Christians continue to do and you are “hell” bent on having your own hand on the snooze button.

Heresy

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@JamesLJesus

Жыл бұрын

"A charge of heresy in the religious world is as explosive and damning as a charge of racism would be in the political. Being proclaimed a heretic puts the accused on the immediate defensive. No one wants to carry that label around. It automatically leads to ostracism because the religious authorities feel compelled to protect the rank and file church member from the defiling thoughts and words of the false teacher. What is heresy anyway and why is the term so emotionally charged. Simply defined, heresy is a religious understanding that stands in disagreement with orthodoxy. Orthodoxy, in contrast, is the codified and formalized teachings of the church as handed down from early church leaders. How did orthodoxy come to be such? Is it really anything more than what a certain group of men believed at some point in the ancient past? What makes the ancient understanding more creditable and sacred than a more recently developed one? Can temporal proximity to the original writings of scripture actually insure that the scriptural grasp of the early clergy was superior to that of more recent Bible students? That seems to be the gist of the argument in support of all the various formalized and documented church creeds that supposedly define orthodox belief today. No one seems to claim that the creed developers were divinely inspire in their work, though some might contend that divine providence guided their work. This is the same line of reasoning that wants to uphold the original King James Translation of the Bible as the only true English language text. This contention of providential guidance in canonizing the Bible, translating the Bible, and formalizing the tenets of orthodoxy, seems to me no more than an attempt to rationalize the larger issue of the inerrancy of the Bible. Inerrancy is essential to Christian fundamentalism because to that group the Bible explains how to please God and go to heaven, so the “instruction manual” must be complete and infallible. Otherwise, the whole salvation process goes astray with the orthodox result of eternal hellfire. If the Bible is not a prescription to be closely followed, then inerrancy in transcription, canonization, and translation is not nearly as much an issue. It is the difference between understanding the gist of the Bible versus knowing assuredly every jot and “tittle” of the law. Inerrancy would not be required for the former but would be for the latter.) If one does not see God’s miraculous intervention in the development of creeds, then you are obliged to admit that creed writers were likely as prejudiced and misguided in writing their creedal statements as any random sampling of modern theologians. Men are conditioned by their previous religious history and training whenever they approach a religious issue. The creed writers were admittedly closer in time to the events of the New Testament than we are, but in contrast we benefit from 1000-1500 years of more biblical study and reflection than those early scholars. The scriptures themselves admonish the believer to study and grow. Growth obviously involves a change in understanding. Yet the creedal statements and their supporters say by implication that any study or thought which might contradict the established teachings of orthodoxy is forbidden. In fact, it is more than forbidden. It is soul damning. It is extremely dangerous to other believers who might be corrupted by unapproved ideas, i.e. ideas contrary to orthodoxy. The poor, earnest believer, in trying to grow and develop in his spiritual understanding, is apparently in very real danger of coming to believe something thereby that will ultimately damn him and others as well. What a monstrous conundrum this is. It is obviously better to ignore personal study except in the shallowest sense and rely on others to indoctrinate in time- tested dogma. Some might argue that the creeds have survived so long without any lasting challenge precisely because their teachings are indisputable. More likely, the creedal statements have survived so long because as explained above, they have been closely guarded and perpetuated by the established clergy in all ages. Prior to the printing press, a relatively late arrival on the theological scene, the maintenance of orthodoxy was a given because the clergy were largely the only educated class capable of reading. The common man could not challenge their position on any issue based on a personal knowledge of the Bible. Thus for the first 1000 years or so after the creeds, their survival was almost a foregone conclusion. Clergy established orthodoxy, taught orthodoxy to each other in church schools and seminars, preached orthodoxy to the masses, and used the power of the church to suppress anyone or anything that they deemed offensive to the orthodox position. In such an atmosphere orthodoxy could not be challenged. Luther’s reformation activities and those of others like him were stimulated by the wider availability of the printed Word and men’s ability to study the scriptures personally. The Reformation was all about challenging the orthodoxy of that day. Many today hold the belief that the old pre-Luther orthodoxy was flawed and that we now hold a new, improved and now infallible orthodoxy. If the old orthodoxy was in error, how can we know the new is perfect? In fact, all this historical reflection reveals is that orthodoxy is simply the prevailing understanding of the day. It is subject to change and is definitely not infallible. Post Reformation, orthodoxy has taken on a slightly updated meaning, brought about by the proliferation of different religious denominations. Orthodoxy to many now means the doctrinal positions of my chosen church or religious group. That group may be the one I was born into and the only one I have ever experienced, but I know their orthodoxy is sound because it feels right and sounds right. No one seems to recognize that repeating the same story over and over for 1000-1500 years will make it all sound right, especially if that story is the only story you have ever heard. Again the established church hierarchy continues to have a vested interest in protecting and defending the orthodox position of their particular persuasion. After all, they are formally trained in church doctrine as a pre-requisite for the ministry. They are hired by the local church to teach and uphold the doctrinal distinctives that identify their denomination. Without an adherence to these doctrinal distinctives that actually define the local orthodoxy, the local denominational group loses its identity as such. Traditionalists within the group and bound to be upset and the unorthodox clergyman is likely to be dismissed. As in the ancient past the clergy have a vested interest in maintaining that which protects their position in society as paid professional. There is no professional reward for advancing new religious thought. Exactly the opposite is true. You lose your job. Finally, I believe there is one additional facet to the seeming infallibility and longevity of orthodoxy in religious circles. Much is taught in the scripture about faith as a prerequisite for the believer. That emphasis has been used at least indirectly to bolster the acceptance of the orthodox position in all ages. The faith in God that the Bible teaches has been stretched into a reason for accepting the teachings of orthodoxy. To deny or challenge those beliefs has become a demonstration of a lack of faith. Since faith is required, anything that reflects a lack thereof is damnable. To question the teachings of the church, the clergy, and their creed is therefore sinful. Again the safest thing the common man can do is to accept what the church teaches so as not to endanger his soul. Of course, man’s natural laziness factors in to this also. It is much easier to let someone else tell you what to believe than to expend the personal effort to study and think profoundly about spiritual realities. Given all the above, it is quite reasonable for anyone to seriously question any aspect of the orthodox position he has been taught. Cries of heresy mean nothing at all. Each individual must ultimately be convinced in his own mind of what he believes and what will guide his own personal life. Personal study and reflection supplemented by free discussion of issues are still the best ways to learn. Jesus said, “Seek and ye shall find.” Don’t be deterred in your seeking by fear of upsetting the status quo. No man ever did more of that than Jesus himself. In making all things new Jesus introduced a new reality that is largely unrealized in our day. Orthodoxy in all its various flavors has largely suppressed that realization for two millennia. A little heresy is required to unlock the hidden treasures of God’s marvelous nature and work."

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Lacking substance and evidence, devoid of all hope.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesLJesus Did Jesus introduce a "new reality"? Or did He explode the cover-up of the "old" one? When we see Him, we will be like Him. "A little heresy is required to unlock the hidden treasures". You think so? A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. There is only one truth and that is in God and it is only a "mystery" and a "secret" to those who will not repent of their inquity.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesLJesus what you offer is old news - gnosis, false knowledge, re-packaged for the itching of the ear.

Preterism is a lie from Hell

@lavieenrose5954

8 ай бұрын

Why from hell? What’s your problem??

@1ofhis518

8 ай бұрын

@@lavieenrose5954 all lies are from hell

It's easy to prove Jesus didn't return yet. Consider: First we have the demise of the antichrist: Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Then observe what occurs next: Dan 12:1 And AT THAT TIME shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Here we see Israel and the planet experiences the worst time of distress ever to befall a nation in the history of the world. Observe, 66-70 AD, 1 million Jews killed, Holocaust 1941-1945, 6 million Jews killed, WW1-15 million killed, WW2-50 million killed. If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense. So we see 70 AD doesn't qualify to be the worst time in history. It is far in the future from 70 AD, and is still yet future. How do we know? Read verse 2.....Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. There was no resurrection in 70 AD, and hasn't been since then to this very day. Preterism is dead in the water folks.