You're the voice we need in the PF community imo. We desperately need knowledgeable minds here, especially since the devs themselves have been shockingly ignorant recently. Hopefully this video does something positive for PF.

Also another thing about movement, is that it feels fun to go fast (for me at least)

@organpresent175

25 күн бұрын

Best reason to keep it imo

@mcsoosh1822

24 күн бұрын

​@@organpresent175 idk why theyre so obsessed with ruining the movement, its in the best spot its ever been and I still dont see many "sweats" that have impossible to kill movement. The ttk in this game is simply not high enough for movement to be such a big problem, if it were higher and you could live more using movement then I would understand but the ttk on most guns is like half a second or less. What they need to focus on is good map design and a revamped progression system where it doesnt take hours to get a single level past like level 60.

@mikeyplayz8438

24 күн бұрын

Movement is the only thing that counters the insanely high ping I get. On a 1v1 gunfight, I virtually cannot win if we had the same gun, reaction time, and Aim. Living in Pennsylvania when the closest server is in different states is absolute pain.

@ninowoo594

22 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 W++FAX

@doodlesyoru2108

22 күн бұрын

​​@@mikeyplayz8438 You complain about 50ish ping? That's really good ping. I live in Brazil, and the ping I get in the ideal server (Florida) is about 200. I recommend you stop complaining about ping and learn how to play despite it.

funny high pen metro strat (much skill required)

@organpresent175

25 күн бұрын

It is indeed incredibly funny

@NekroWareOfficial

9 күн бұрын

i discovered it by accident

idk why theyre so obsessed with ruining the movement, its in the best spot its ever been and I still dont see many "sweats" that have impossible to kill movement. The ttk in this game is simply not high enough for movement to be such a big problem, if it were higher and you could live more using movement then I would understand but the ttk on most guns is like half a second or less. What they need to focus on is good map design and a revamped progression system where it doesnt take hours to get a single level past like level 60.

@mcsoosh1822

24 күн бұрын

The maps in this game are some of the worst maps and spawns in any fps, they need to focus on good map design which could open doors to better/more competitive gamemodes like search and destroy which could spice things up for noobs and returning vets. The next biggest thing I think they should focus on is an easier/more new player friendly way to level up and obtain guns, I like the way they have credits given every level up but saving for weapons you want could take ages since most of the fun and unique guns are over lvl 100+. Overall I think if they had better map design and gamemode variety it would lead to more of their og players coming back to enjoy a fresh feeling game and if they made the progression faster it would let the noobs have their sense of progression greatly improved and provide them with more content to keep playing with and grinding for. At the current state new players dont really have much incentive to stay and grind because the guns they would want are just too far out of reach.

@mq-r3apz291

24 күн бұрын

Im not a fan of this ultra mpvement stuff but I habe to admit if they nerf the movement it will completley destroy the identity of itself. So i can still admit this is terrible idea. Reason I still play is because its the best free fps for long range snipimg with respawns

@jthablaidd

18 күн бұрын

Idk I’ve seen people fly up into a random dolphin dive direction

@mcsoosh1822

18 күн бұрын

@@monsterousreal no offense but if your kdr is 0.55 then its a you issue not other people

whats killing pf for me is a mix of the bad spawns, awful team "balancing" and the games just been out for so many years that everybody is good and sweaty and its impossible to have fun

@organpresent175

23 күн бұрын

Real

@Laikafan02

Күн бұрын

Yeah I agree, the removal of matchmaking made this issue worse.

0:41 eh idk. Movement does play a bit of a part in the skill gap. Like I can aim just fine and hit my target no matter what. But if I run into a guy who acts like he’s a cod sweat and just runs and jumps around like he’s on crack then I usually end up dying to said person

thank you for shouting out less-discussed problems like the god awful spawns something people also really don't talk about enough is the game's atrocious map pool right now, why on god's green earth do they have original and revamped versions of maps??? I'm so tired of playing on desert storm or metro but there's 2 of those in the map pool each not to mention the absolute draught of new maps, leading the game to feel like it has no maps, and there's like thousands of them that are only in the test place

Paint white screen flashbang! Also today the test place movement nerfs were reverted, and allegedly even buffed a tiny tiny bit, according to tyler

@sillyboymax

24 күн бұрын

I saw that dont care about this game enough to test it tho 😢

Fantix recently posted a video talking about how they are not only getting rid of the casual mode changes, but also slightly increasing movement speed. They’re nerfing how fast you gain stamina back if you use it but I think you’ll have more stamina.

Remember when the spawns for phantom and ghost would rotate to the opposite side if a team or even one person got too close. That should comeback along with a slight delay in spawns. Because the spawns switching in the middle of the match is still somewhat unpredictable even when you knew the spawns were gonna switch when you got close, but it still allowed players to be spawn camped less a little bit and also take enemies by suprise. I think cuz of that was the reason my kdr was even able to touch 2.3 when I developed my aim WHILE using snipers 90% time too even on close range maps.

I loved the metro clip, peak skill very cool.

I see p90 at start rahhhh also nice editing and voiceover it's pretty good

Hearing your critisism from my last comment. PF is a flat cycle, people get better at shooting, so people get better at movement, this continues until any new player, or me who hasn't touched the game and want to get into it, makes the game unplayable as the skill gap is to large and requires to much time and comintmnet to play, especially since roblox has lost a lot of popularity. The only compromise I can think of, because the PF community doesn't accept different movement, nerfed guns, ranked matchmaking, the only solution is AI matches, where we are not punished that much for xp for using it, because being stomped isn't fun. This feature of bot servers needs to be implemented into games as standard issue for casual players.

And about the balanced team thing, it won’t work with smurfs or alts of rank 200 people

@organpresent175

6 күн бұрын

Indeed, but if it took into account overall KD, smurfs probably wouldn't last very long on unbalanced teams before they're balanced correctly.

This thing went straight down to hell after the 2022 winter update as everything got horribly nerfed and many weapon conversions were removed

I'm rank 133. PF is one of the only games I often regret playing. I either end up ruining the game for others or being bored because the game is getting increasingly more boring. I am only able to use the meta guns because that's the only thing that's fun to do. If you don't use a good gun, you get destroyed.

@triquoc7113

24 күн бұрын

Use TCR, it is not a great gun but IMO it is a fun gun to use

@indonesianOg

23 күн бұрын

if u dont wanna use the meta guns, try using a funny strat like making a sniper and using it close range (MK11 500 phantom ❤❤❤) or use a burst shotgun

wow thats a diffrence i saw like 3 days ago video about the same topic but from low rank and the vid was filled with 17 minute yap about how bad chat is and that game is just dying and when high rank is talking about the same thing he is bringing up good reasons why some changes are leading to slow death of pf just in 6 minutes amazing job bro

Definitely a good idea fs hopefully stylis hears this

Im really suprised the movement buff changed which most of us needed sure the regen stamina is decreased but who cares ..

imma be honest i thought that the movement buff that they implemented actually made it easier and more fun ti play

Could've made movement unique or something, where each type is beneficial with cons. Also that there's an extra executive timing, so the more late it is the more speed boost you gain, early would give some, too late won't give any.

Movement com reminds me of the clipping com before it died. I understand all of the frustration with this game right now as I used to be a clipper and dealt with the consistent terrible updates that changed my type of gameplay.

imagine thinking that the pf devs are conscious human beings

Can you tell me exactly what skin setup you got on your white and orange intervention? Like what skin it is, colours, studs per, reflectance, materials. I want that skin so bad lmao

Tbh i quit the game because of the playerbase and the movement I was so used to what pf used to be in 2017 and nowadays. Just doesnt feel the same

Stylis do the complete opposite plz make the movement more accessable

@mikeyplayz8438

24 күн бұрын

Movement shouldn’t be based on fps. Roblox’s engine is so garbage.

New upload les go

@organpresent175

25 күн бұрын

yah

i also thing that the skill gap is based on the weaponns u unlock as a new player i dont really like farming like 2week to get a meta gun and finally can compete against sweat player that have good weaponns

for russellne23 plug the hdmi/display port into gpu and not motherboard

Well I just camp so movement aint a issue.

As someone who plays a large number of game and doesn’t become a “pro” at most of them, one of the best ways to stop getting wrecked in games I’ve just started playing is to learn basic, non skill based tricks. Stuff like movement techniques. By nerfing the movement, PF is taking away the easiest way to boost your performance as a new player, and without these tricks it’s all boils down to who has the best aim and setup, which 9/10ths of the time will be the experienced player. This will make the experience worse for newer players as they will usually be unable to outperform the super skilled players. This update makes the game less fun for old players and harder for new players, it’s a lose-lose situation where nobody can have fun.

I agree that we need better team balancing because it’s not fair for people that just start this game and get completely creamed by rank 50-300s it’s not fun and not easy to grind

And the fact they added the most basic thing ever for a videogame such as keybinds after 10 years development shows how mediocre their management and organization is

TLDR: movement is the most important thing. movement is one of the biggest things that makes games unique. I got into phantom forces because of the fun and fast paced movement. Changing the movement really made me upset and I almost considered not even bothering with trying to learn the new movement. If you think that changing the movement in anyway is a good thing then lets take a look at a very big franchise that changed their movement for one game, Call of Duty. The new COD MW2 got rid of some of the cool movement features in the last game like slide canceling. It was so bad that in MW3 they had to revert their updates to get most of their player base back. Movement is one of, if not, the most important thing to an FPS game and changing it completely can tank the player base. Stylis needs to do some research and play their own games before making any changes. I think I could do a better job as a developer for them and if that's the case they are really doing something wrong.

Nerf movement is crazy they need to do events and update the real problems to bring more people in

whats your m107 setup?

and i think they need to make map spawns fair in allot of maps ghosts or phantoms have a advantage depending on the game mode or some in everything, like metro the ghost spawn is 2 times bigger than phantoms hey have 6 sitars and phantoms have 4, also ghosts always spawn near the back of their huge spawn, and phantoms spawn almost always in it even if they are being spawn camped.

@organpresent175

23 күн бұрын

I'm planning to make a vid on Metro's spawns soon actually, great point, glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.

@rw1606

23 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 nice, that has bugged me for a long time and not many people know of it I think they just think it’s metro and metro revamp but they are the same, another smaller one is on containers ctf I think phantoms have a container right Infont of there flag blocking it, gives a huge advantage on cqc and ghosts don’t so they usually loose. Not a huge thing but it just shows they don’t put detail into the maps.

lack of new players + changing things that the community doesnt like

the biggest issue imo is just the 32 player lobbies. the maps were never designed for so many people in them. they gotta revert it back to 24 or 26

IMO opinion it’s the devs and (thankfully this has died down a lot from before) hypersweats. It feels like the devs make changes that are so nonsensical and sometimes just purely biased, like the p90 being a blatant dev gun now

ultrakill pops up in my mind when i think about these changes. in ultrakill you have no ammo and that allows you to be creative. if you were to add ammo system then you would be limited and would have to do a lot of thinking and not-needed-at-all management. same goes to these movement changes: now you have to think through every move you make. is this really casual now? feels like an rpg, not fun at all imo, 0/10

Man i dont wanna go into gunfight arena pf's the only fun challenging game on roblox without being over the top

Just the idea of removing major features that make the game what it is to remove the skillgap is stupid. You're gonna end up with a boring game, it may be hard to begin as a new player but that's part of the fun, you can learn movement and feel progress

ive tried getting into PF the one thing stopping me from grinding is how much people destroy me

@organpresent175

Күн бұрын

PH??? Wrong acronym dawg

@Its.Tuuezy

Күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 LMAO i just realized i put a H and not an F😭 watch a movement guide doing much better now

@organpresent175

Күн бұрын

@@Its.Tuuezy nice, movement is so important and what's nice is that it's so easy to learn for so much benefit.

phantom forces will never be as casual as it once was

goat vid I LOVE U ORGAN

Stylis studios is the perfect example in not how to make a fps videogame

what's the intervention setup that's in the video?

@organpresent175

9 күн бұрын

Coyote Suppressor Skeleton Remove Stock Default

@Lovvkey.

9 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 thx

They are having the same movement from the main game right now just with a stamina nerf

@vclegend2074

21 күн бұрын

they are not pushing the test place movement because how bad the community has hating on the test place

4:58 "Aim develops with good ol' fashioned practice, while gamesense develops with good ol' fashioned experience." - Uncle Dane

2 things: I don't think lito/raspy's intentions are to nerf movement. I genuinely believe they are trying to optimize the game based on player statistics (like average session duration, retention, etc). Also, I think the quicker spawntimes make the game 100x more fun and lively. Before this update, alot of my matches felt a little bit dead because there were always very few players on the map (usually 1/4 didn't spawn at all, another 1/4 were dead/waiting to respawn). This gave the game very distinct 'waves' of respawn patterns that felt frustrating to play against. Nowadays it feels more lively, and I can similarly respawn in faster to re-engage in unfair gunfights (like a random camper or smth).

@PuppyAnimationsInc

14 күн бұрын

Hmmm, I just re-read the changelogs and I straight up disagree at this point regarding 'nerfed movement'. All of the changes to non-stamina based movement were 100% positive. From firsthand experience, the game plays alot better now with alot less friction.

@organpresent175

13 күн бұрын

I see what you mean and I agree, but my point is that thr best wat to optimize player retention would be to do the things I mentioned instead of nerfing movement. Ironically the retention has been going UP lately afaik anyway. I mean, I guess it is a matter of opinion it's just personally, I find them to be way overtuned, it's just so stressful how twitchy this game is and how fast you need to be ready for revenge kills nowadays. Changing it to just 2 seconds would probably fix it though and still be fast spawning.

@organpresent175

13 күн бұрын

@PuppyAnimationsInc which changelogs, 11.0? Cuz that was rhe update I LIKED, I'm referring to their proposed Test Place changes a few weeks ago (which, afaik, they changed their mind on now).

@PuppyAnimationsInc

13 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 Yea I was looking at the v11.0.0 patchnotes. I didn't see any other major changes documented in #change-logs

@organpresent175

13 күн бұрын

@PuppyAnimationsInc okay yeah, I'm not referring to v11 in this video, in fact, the v11 changes are some of my favorites of all time. I'm referring to a period of two or three weeks when they added a bunch of movement nerfs to test place right after v11 dropped.

wow, a player who knows what to do!

honestly why not make all the guns take 1 more shot to kill ON LIMBS but the same TTK for torso shots?think about it. that does make it a bit interesting

1 second spawns were a terrible idea and i don’t think they are good for literally any game

The devs are idiots. Movement tech is a main reason that people play this game. Look at TF2, the game is still going after 16 years just because of the source engine movement quirks (Rocket jumping, air strafes, Demo knight trimping across map). Thats how i got back into PF, i played originally PF in 2015 and got back into TF2 in 2022 and then got back into PF because of the movement.

as a rank 22 or 23- this is fax. DAMN YOU AK107 AND 8

I dont care about PF no more im just using it to practice for BO6 now lol

they need to remove being able to buy the guns you should have to level up to be able to use it and level up the gun to use the said "op" attachments

@organpresent175

12 күн бұрын

Man tbh I don't know if turning this game play to win is a good idea lol

@daprotato

12 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 like you can buy stuff but its only cosmetic

The game is old and games have a life span of 10 years before dying out. The game is on an older version of Roblox with bugs like audio cutting out. What would be best is making a new game on the newer version of Roblox and the lack of low rank guns and most of the newer guns in game are rank 70+. What I think they could do is have the guns locked behind challenges like get 5 head shots with a sniper to unlock XYZ sniper.

@memorandum847

23 күн бұрын

bro what r u on about 😹😹😹😹

The spawns are the literal only dev side thing that genuinely makes me want to uninstall.

@HonestlyApollo

9 күн бұрын

For context yesterday i recorded a clip of me dying in orange room on Metro back spawn and spawning on top of my own dog tag to get railed by the same 3 dudes.

@organpresent175

9 күн бұрын

@@HonestlyApollo pause? But yeah I agree.

@HonestlyApollo

9 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 I can't even say pause, spawning in and seeing saiga 12 pellets hitting your dead body because you died before you even knew where you spawned at is a violation 😭

Dont nerf movement, make attachments weaker/easier to unlock.

You forgot to mention the broken squad deployment, that feature is too abusable in this game and makes matches too broken. I get the thing behind it, they tried to make it similar to Battlefield, however Battlefield maps are HUGE compared to PFs maps, there have been soooo many times I should've won a fight and I lost it just cuz of squad deploy cuz one of my opponent teammate decided to spawn as a meatshield. Not only as a pvp game that is unbalanced and not funny but it also makes spawnkilling easier especially on maps like metro, just spawn on a teammate that's also spawnkilling there. Completely bullshit mechanic I tell you.

sweats and how laggy the game is, is the answer

@user-tq6yr2le5e

4 күн бұрын

No not sweats u cant say a Game is Bad because the Players are good

@TASTEGROUND

4 күн бұрын

being laggy makes the game unplayable it look like everyone are exploiters

Nerf grenade spam with cooldowns

"The children yearn for Titanfall."

@somerandommemedude1709

22 күн бұрын

I also hope they fix the Wall run bug(?). If you jump slide on a direct wall face first you end up stuck there for a bit. Ruins the fun. Wall running is fun, it's just sorta buggy.

im rank 239, and if devs remove all movement things i just leave from the game and lost my 7 years for nothing

@organpresent175

20 күн бұрын

Real shit

Im quting this game bruh, guns are removed/ nerfed to the ground, maps are never added/ are getting old, and good maps were removed, time ot kill is insane, all modes reallying on team spawn camping, UI is so old

Do you play with stamina disabled?

@organpresent175

24 күн бұрын

Yeah not a fan of it currently because of how fast it runs out. Might be buffed next update though apparently, in which case I might try it.

meta setups and sweats for me

movement is not an issue then proceed to jump to floor 2 and slide from canada to thailand.

@organpresent175

20 күн бұрын

Right, and in a game with a lightspeed time to kill and laser guns this makes the game possible to play lmfao

somewhat unrelated but i get kicked when im about to get 100 kills twice in a row (at 92 ish kills when i get vk'd) by a rank 189 join back on my alt and a rank 150 who doesn't even know its me kicks me for "smurfing"

HE COOKIN AGAIN

this game rn feels like that one pissed off xbox player who spawned and died spawned and died and honestly i see where he was comin from now

I think the dev want to kill PF already. They don't want to keep an old game with such an old code alive, yet they are too lazy to revamping it. They just don't give a crap what player want.

they just fixed it, stamina makes the movement faster, it costs less, stamina recharges a lot slower.

Why are the devs turning into ROBLOX employees

OK DEVS, you think movment is what is overpowering others huh, im basicly close to the rank 300's with my movment, and My dkr is 0.89 (im rank 181)

"what is RUINING phantom forces?" literally using the P90. thats whats ruining it, what was stylis thinking making a rank 5 weapon meta with an OP cheap conversion that could be bought with just a few ranks, aswell as extremely poor moderation and anticheats ontop of that the P90 was sceduled for a nerf yet all they did was make its firing sound slightly louder and a tiny bit more recoil which could be basically REMOVED with the alt aim imo theyve really outdone themselves this time.

@organpresent175

19 күн бұрын

Spit yo shit twin, absolutely right

the history of every fps game ever is the constant stuggle between the sweats and the casual players that vastly outnumber them. And game devs are almost always gonna end up on the casual side of the spectrum (they're too busy developing the game to git guud at it), so this ends up as a futile struggle where any skill ceiling that isn't aiming is only kept in as an oversight. And that's why you should never trust a game dev.

im actually so happy about this update all you said was absolute dog shit the problem is the movement nothing else drop shotters, going to the other side of the map in less than 10 seconds, 40 walkspeed for melee users laying down in mid air no proper gravity?

@organpresent175

23 күн бұрын

Have you played this game for longer than 20 minutes? I don't see how someone who has played this game consistently could somehow think everything I said was dogshit. Again, have fun fighting M60 spam with 1 second spawns and without movement, unless that's how you already play, then not much will change and you'll continue to get lasered by overtuned weapons. Funnily enough though, right after I put this video out they just buffed movement again in the Test Place actually, so cope I guess...

quit tf cuz they remove my 1 shot trg 42 they also ruined the original iron sight, i miss it...

@organpresent175

22 күн бұрын

Real. Pretty sure it's back now tho, just not to 200 studs anymore

@francis3723

22 күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 nah not going back since I used to hit headshot with the old ironsight, now they change it so it feels off

speaking aas a tryhard they should just give the guns pubg recoil

devs will do anything but fix spawn lmfao and rn the game has the most boring map pool its ever had tbh

It’s a lack of consideration for Noobs and a refusal or ignorance to change kill and XP based unlocks, (seriously, I get the AK47 Rank 47 joke but is it REALLY necessary? Not to mention the AMT Terminator oh my god Stylis stop referencing shit via the kills required.) besides at this point if you where awarded credits (like 10-100 per kill) that’d be a positive change at this point.

@organpresent175

Күн бұрын

Real shit, attachments are so gatekept behind high kill counts that it's literally necessary to purchase some of them with credits if you don't want to waste hours

@Laikafan02

Күн бұрын

@@organpresent175 yeah. should I suggest changing the XP kill reward to a credit kill reward to some place like the discord or subreddit? its abhorrent that PvP game devs (roblox or otherwise) dont think about the noobs or casual plaers /:

@organpresent175

Күн бұрын

@Laikafan02 Yeah, I doubt they'd listen though but it might popularized the idea. Maybe I'll make a video on it

W

the game has been cooked for about 5 years now

Movement isn't the problem. Newer players are being alienated by 3 main reasons (at least in my opinion): a) The anticheat of Roblox sucks, so new players join, get sent to brazil a few times and move on because the cheaters ruin the experience. b) Experienced players steamroll most matches in public servers, and there just isn't enough to help the newer players get to equal playing grounds. c) There just isn't any sort of alternative servers/modes for those who want to play PF casually with other people (at least not until April Fools comes around again). If Stylis should know ANYTHING about their game, they should know that movement is a staple of PF, and that new and casual players get NO alternatives to enjoy PF without dying to a hypersweat every 3 seconds.

Team balance I wonder if dev use TF2's team balance.

@organpresent175

23 күн бұрын

lmao for real, I literally quit tf2 over casual team balance

@gamerbeginner5019

23 күн бұрын

Your can make team auto balance good possible but tf2 nah

@nathangrayshon6690

23 күн бұрын

​@organpresent175 I quit tf2, replaced it with phantom forces but now its just feeling like a slog half the time. Especially on... metro... *shudders*

lol

PF is ruined. This game is Very Very uncasual, i m good player but i suffer playing

@organpresent175

24 күн бұрын

Real

2:57 Spawn timers can be frustrating because they force players to wait instead of returning to the action. This delay can make the game feel unresponsive.

@organpresent175

24 күн бұрын

True but turning it all the way down to one second turns this game into DOOM

its just not fun

Hello

@organpresent175

25 күн бұрын

hello

@meehdrescher

24 күн бұрын

hello

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@flames11851s-slave

24 күн бұрын

you weren't supposed to heart this comment 😭

@Patryk_5689

24 күн бұрын

vro

@organpresent175

24 күн бұрын

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