Totally agree!!!!. Baela also pretty much become the sweetheart of the city watch, as the episodes went on i was pretty much annoyed with how much they diminished leana and baela

@FeyFire

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! 💫

A different thing that annoys me about HotD's portrayal is that a lot of Rhaena and Baela's scenes were cut to make Daemon seem like a worse person. They were in the room when Laena was giving birth and that's why they look frightened. Then Daemon goes to comfort them and that's when Laena leaves for Vhagar. Then they cut the scene of them being comforted by Daemon after Laena dies. Those scenes didn't need to be cut because the fandom already loves Daemon despite the monsterous things he does, instead they came at the expense of Rhaena and Baela's characters.

@Alex-mn1fb

9 ай бұрын

He is a worse person.

@Narrowdark

9 ай бұрын

Thats because its out of character for him to be a good father

@Daniel-ug4pu

9 ай бұрын

​@Alex-mn1fb no that's just something you think because of the show there trying to make him seem worse than he is

@janellejulianajoy

3 ай бұрын

​@@Alex-mn1fbA worse person who loved his girls. The moment we see Daemon come to the defense of Luke in the aftermath of Aemond losing his eye, yet doesn't spare his own daughters a glance. I knew where they were headed with this. Book Daemon would've tried to take Aemond's other eye for simply looking at his girls.

I keep forgetting that Baela and Rhaena are twins and always think that Baela is older than Rhaena lol. Anyway, i think Baela and Rhaenya are great characters, and it was funny seeing Baela (i think) being held back trying to fight the greens at the dinner lol. Tough little lady

@erwilson25

9 ай бұрын

I think in the show Baela is supposed to be older.

Cuz the Greens are the other half of the family, and the opposing side of the civil war, and their development, storyline and setup is more important then Baela for the overall story, and it was clearly prioritized due to limited time. Unfortunate, but it is what it is. If they release it again in a few years maybe they will add the deleted scenes.

@Daniel-ug4pu

9 ай бұрын

Theu change so much just to try to get people to agree with the greens it's almost funny like alicent love and taking car visrys dead body when in the books she closes the chamber of and let's him rotting and bloating for 10 days or him say aegon to give her some justification for her crowing aegon witch is another thing that don't happen in the books it's cuz they know the greens are hard to sympathize with because they are upsurers and they trying to make it look like not that's the only reason

@Alex-mn1fb

9 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-ug4pu I mean, I have no idea where people get this idea that there is a Green bias in the show, there is literally none, and a lot of people hate the Greens, as they should. But the Blacks should really not be praised either, this is not a story of a good side and a bad side, and plenty of people dont seem to get that for some reason. If anything, the Blacks are the ones who have had a MAJOR glow up and whitewashing in the show. Book Daemons is a even worse kind of violence loving murderer, Rhaenyra is entitled and petulant, and thinks of herself first. If you think greens are simply the bad guys, you have not paid attention to the show, or read the books.

@janellejulianajoy

3 ай бұрын

​@@Alex-mn1fbHow can it not be biased in favor of the Black's when it's their faction getting usurped?! The moment Aegon was crowned placed them in the role of antagonist. Rhaenyra never went after anything they had, but, Otto certainly pimped his daughter out in order to have his blood on the throne. This man spends years making sure he ruined Rhaenyra's reputation along with his daughter. These people went out of their way to screw with Rhaenyra and her family. Like, on no planet is it plausible to even kinda sorta look at the Green's favorably. Nothing. They caused it all.

@Alex-mn1fb

3 ай бұрын

@@janellejulianajoy I mean, I could go into whole arguments about succession and personal responsibility and entitlement and the careful interplay between the monarchy, and other power brokers, such as the nobility and the church, but there is literally no point. You unwittingly kinda proven my point. Its absolutely emotionally slated for the viewers to be biased in favor of the Blacks, and good faction vs bad faction was absolutely not what the author GRRM had in mind, but rather for us to question these tribalistic, sectarian ideas and narratives, see the shades of gray, try to understand different points of view, and how conflicts could and should be resolved by compromise. Which would be a great lesson for people in todays day and age. What a missed opportunity to have a real cultural moment.

I agree. I wish we had some more Baela scenes. Even a few more minutes of her could have added a lot of depth.

Agreed they messed up a lot of characters to favor others which doesn’t make sense making the same mistakes they did in got

I mean from a book perspective Baela/Rhaena are not made relevant until post-episode 10 (and even then Rhaena just chills at the Vale; Baela gets a badass scene vs Sunfyre that they’ll need to build up). Post regency era they have more of a role

Awesome video! It’s really good to have more videos out there doing necessary criticism and analysis of the show

I hated the invented friendship between Alicent and Rhaenyra, especially because it's one of those "oh look those two equal and opposite people were once bffs, now they are enemies" trope, like that one in Morbius. Instead I wished it was more similar to the book, where Rhaenyra was the heir from a very young age- the Realm's Delight. In my head canon, Rhaenyra looked upto Rhaenys growing up and Viserys made Rhaenyra his heir due to the combined guilt he feels towards Rhaenys and Aemma.

@janellejulianajoy

2 ай бұрын

That $1.99 friendship irks the hell out of me. So much was ruined because of it. Like, it made the story make less sense.

@helenrose5383

2 ай бұрын

@@janellejulianajoy Yeah

Baela was one of my favorites from the book. I am disappointed in how little they used the Valeryions after going to bat and making the family biracial. I like your theory on why jace would be so enchanted with the north. I honestly think they overlooked the fact that asking anyone but Damon about the marriage of his daughters. I got the impression that the idea had been shot down at first, by the look of suprised relief Rhaenyra had when Rhanees spoke up.

@janellejulianajoy

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Rhaenyra's strongest supporter at this point is House Velaryon. They made them inconsequential when they're anything but. It's crazy that no one sees this. Like, are we forgetting that Rhaenyra's sons are still afloat because Corlys allows them to carry HIS name, when they're really bastards? Like, this goes beyond Baela. House Velaryon's treatment makes me question why they helped Rhaenyra in the first place. Looking at the show only, the moment Rhaenys warned Rhaenyra about Aegon's coronation, she should've taken Baela and Rhaena, Corlys as well, and left. They owed both sides absolutely nothing. I cannot wait to see Corlys get in their ass after a certain event coming up.

Exactly. Baela has so much more to offer than just being Jace's intended. She's fierce and fearless like her parents and even her grandparents. Like...Baela is Daemon in a dress. To be honest, they did a huge disservice to the children on Team Black. Even Helaena is fleshed out a bit more and she is virtually absent during the war. Jace especially needed this time to shine as well as for a time he does become the defacto leader of Team Black.

I enjoyed this so much! Excellent work :)

@FeyFire

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! 💫

I truly love this video❤❤ thank you

I think they’ll give her more time in the 2nd season because she has some awesome stuff coming up

we know why and especially some of the best scenes of her getting left out for bonuses content

I watched this once and now I re-watched in preparation for season 2 - though I gave thumb up 👍🏻, I think fact you mixed a bit perspectives and it somehow diminished this video. For example when you were saying that Baela living in Driftmark might suggests she wasn't close to Jace is bit stretch, as you were commenting book narration while doing this - and in book Balea did live with Jace and rest of her family in Dragonstone. So no - there are absolutely no clue in books she wasn't close to Jacaerys - everything in narration suggests she fiercely commited to him and loved him deeply. I like to think that her fight on Moondancer was in fact way she trie to avenge those whom she lost in war with Aegon (including Jace), cause she could easily flew away from island yet she decided to fight - maybe to avenge her step-brothers and grandmother. And while in show we don't know yet her exact feelings, Baela seems to love Jacaerys since they met first time - she was the one who extanded her hand to him and during episode 10 she took her stanec on his side, showing she is fully dedicated to create family with him. I know that purpose of this video is showing she is much more than just fiancee of Jacaerys - which I agree - but it's impossible to ignore how much her engagement shaped her as person. Wheter she was in love with him or not, he was her close friend since childhood - even in show, where they didn't grow together, they still bonded as pre-teens. And marrying him was to also for her way to become the most powerful and influential woman in Westeros - Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. So in book when she was attacking Green King on her slender green dragoness, I think she not only tried to avenge boy she had cared about, but to avenge future Aegon's war stole from her. In book she grew her whole life with thought she will be Queen and then with Jacaerys's death this bright future suddenly vanished and she was left basically with nothing. I do believe her fight with Aegon was retribution for both fiance she loved as well for crown Greens stole from her. [I just have understood how poetic it is leader of Greens lost his dragon because of green dragon 🤩🤩]

This is hilarious 🤣 Up until episode 10 in fire and blood, baela had absolutely NO characterization lmao ???? What even are you talking about, baela's character actually starts getting pushed to the center right around the time aegon the 2nd moves to dragonstone, this is where she switches into one of the main characters and continues to do so until aegon the 3rd's regency. You guys are a little too delusional.

@FeyFire

9 ай бұрын

"up until episode 10 in fire and blood Baela had absolutely no characterization" I'm sorry what? clearly you weren't listening 😂 but keeping drinking that kool aid

@kendallandrews8691

9 ай бұрын

Somebody has been drinking the Kool aid

Did u really say Jon's step mother was never cruel to him I don't know what show u were watching those 8 seasons Cat even admitted it herself to Robbs wife

@FeyFire

9 ай бұрын

What Cat admitted to was staying up all night caring for sick baby Jon. She never beat Jon, locked him away, or was cruel; she just wasn't particularly nice.

@momo7989

9 ай бұрын

The show actually makes his relationship with Caitlyn a lot worse then in the books. She wasn't the best stepmother but she did care for him when Jon was sick. She even understood that Jon was Rob's heir in the books. Sansa really was the worst one out of the Starks.

@OcarinaSapphr-

6 ай бұрын

@@momo7989 How? Jon recalls that Sansa taught him to dance, & how to compliment a girl- & they both think about one another in the later books. Sansa is young, & like most people- can only be influenced by what she learns & observes (not always understanding, or even knowing about the undercurrents that develop): she emulates the powerful women around her, because that's what's expected of her; from her mother (her earlier attitude to Jon, is a reflection of her mother's), to the Queen, to Margaery - it isn't until she's at the Vale, that she coalesces all those influences into 'Alayne Stone'- & really adapts into someone who has _relatively_ more freedom, & authority & develops more knowledge (though it is under Littlefinger's _aegis_ )- if you interpreted those chapters differently, then more power to you...

To be honest, they don’t do anything really in the dance except for when Baela fights Aegon on Dragonstone and gets defeated. People can like them, but they are a really minor part of team black in the war. Rhaena does nothing but sit in the Eyrie as a ward of Jeyne Arryn for the remainder of the dance, hatching a tiny dragon which is not ridden until a few years into Aegon 3’s reign. Baela doesn’t fight in any battles until she fights Aegon on dragonstone, as even her father knows her dragon is too small and she is untrained so cannot fight in battle yet, she is only left to guard dragonstone, and then stupidly tries to fight and kill Aegon and Sunfyre, which fails as she gets her dragon killed and is left so badly injured she can barely crawl away, and is left a prisoner of dance.

❤❤❤❤

@FeyFire

9 ай бұрын

💓💫

You have the nerve to complain about Baela's screenetime when Aegon Targaryen & Aemond Targaryen got 9 mins of screentime each? The first season established the first generation. The second season expands the universe & focuses on the next gen. It's called story progression. It's called character arc. Something most of the Hotd fandom seems to be unaware of. Guess what? Baela is getting plenty of shine in Season 2. High school mean girlie Daemyras self-inserting themselves as the platinum blonde who marries Matt Smith do not give a shit about Baela or Rhaena or Laena. The only time they bring them up is to weaponize them & their show blackness to bash & downplay the importance of Alicent. You know, the Queen in the Princess and the Queen. The same delusional targ stans who think Jaecaerys' traits have been given to Aemond. Before the show, if people knew one thing about the Dance it was the "terrific Aemond one eye". Nobody gave a crap about Jace. But team sports color war rots the brain. Same with Helaena. Giving any depth & characterization to the other team is considered a sin. You guys have started to convince yourself that your headcanons & interpretations from one or two lines of F&B is actual canon. Every single complaining & whining about Hotd comes from the "why is my sports team not shown as flawless heroes without any conflict while the other sports team is shown as irredeemable NPC disney villains with no screentime". It's a childish petulance. When the fandom start throwing tantrums about Daemon not being the perfect girldad malewife, you know things are beyind rotten. Targ stans will never forgive Hotd for being something more complex amd empathetic than a evil stepmom Targ Apology Show.

@FeyFire

3 күн бұрын

Touch grass

StEpBrOtHeR

I hate that the show removes Laena's role in the betrothal between her and Rhaenyra's children, and completely ignores the fact that Vaemond is also usurping Baela by trying to put himself forward as heir. Especially in the book, as they are already betrothed at the point when Vaemond tries to claim Driftmark. I like to think that Laena arranged the betrothal in part to secure Driftmark for her daughters against Vaemond - as he is her cousin in the book (not uncle) there are similarities between Laena and Vaemond, and Rhaenys and Viserys. Both Vaemond and Viserys are male cousins who put themselves forward against the actual heirs (a daughter and her children comes before an uncle and his children). Baela and Rhaena are Corlys' only biological grandchildren and therefore come before Vaemond (both in the show and the book), but as the council at Harrenhal demonstrates Westeros doesn't care all that much about its own customs when it comes to women inheriting. So aside from the fact that Laena loved Rhaenyra and loved her brother, and knew Laenor loved his children, the alliance also makes strategic sense for Laena, to try to make sure what happened to her mother doesn't happen to her daughters (even if it means they can only claim their birthright as consorts).

I think daemon rhaenyra and corlys wronged rhaenys laena her daughters and house velaryon especially corlys he doomed his family for nothing should fought for his own wife’s right if he wanted a war from the beginning but no he’s fighting for the ppl who killed his own son and brother for some white woman and her white kids dumb as hell ,vaemond was the only one who cared for his own house and gave the right to be mad for the velaryon’s bloodline from the the ppl who marries their sisters to keep their bloodline pure 💀!! And team black stans don’t care about velaryons if they think otherwise