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@Tariq-oj5zz

2 ай бұрын

I have two questions, (will these things even be possible) but they will take this post to create coherent questions: Personally I think that the West has gotten so advanced in all things because of a few reasons, mainly it's history of basic tension. First let me say that of course I recognize that they used to be terrible, but, by, let's say, the 90's, they fixed themselves for the most part, gay marriage is legal even in the US (my country), lgbtq people aren't treated well enough in a lot of places, but there's an enormous economic and popular base that supports them that they should be proud of building as a freedom-loving and humane society. I personally think that your religion dictates what civilization you belong to, so even though I only speak English and I am of Guatemalan descent (A Spanish-speaking country directly South of and bordering Mexico) I consider myself part of Middle Eastern civilization (please correct me if that's wrong to). Firstly: One of those things that makes the West great is the two city system. In the West the dialectic between philosophy (philosophy used to just mean an intellectual pursuit like a science) and morality is very stark. They can make a scientific discovery and not believe it, and they can believe something without evidence, but the struggle produces epic results. It invented science, opened the door of theology as a formal discipline, launched man into space (I get that the Soviets said they weren't Western but philosophically they were, after all Marx and Engels were German/British) and made quick work of most of the other nations on Earth, and yet they have the right to believe the world was created when they were born, or that the Earth is flat. All this is the dialectic between Athens and Jerusalem, or, should I say, Athens tempered by Jerusalem. One can say that this is a flawed value system, but it is certainly superior to anything produced by any other civilization thus far. Ours must be the rise of a system similar to, yet detached from both of those cities and gaining our history back as they did to Greece and Rome in their Renaissance, then improve it until we cross the span toward the Islamic equivalent of the Jewish Enlightenment. We can do this with a balance between Babylon, tempered by Mecca. Babylon was a great city, and the first major metropolis (arguably after Uruk) in history, but really standing for all of the civilizations in Mesopotamia, mainly because the West may have invented science, but we invented civilization itself. They may have invented freedom, but we invented justice. We may be outnumbered by advocates of politicized shariah, but what can stop the forward march of justice? There is also the matter of a structure of government. The well known and eminent Jewish-British-American historian Bernard Lewis specializing in middle-Eastern civilization, who said, if I recall correctly: "The Muslims will have to create their own form of government (and separate it from religious rule)" after that he said that Islam has a huge tradition of humane, limited, responsible governance to draw from in order to make a modern society, especially in their use of the term consultation (shurah), where organization, power and authority came from within or below, not from above. If there is a way to create a new kind of government I think it would take those shurah groups and have them act as American-style branches of government, with separation of powers, vetos overcome by major majorities, a branch for the clergy, a branch for the military, a branch of commerce, a branch of worker's unions etc. and to let them elect their own leaders to a high council that will be odd in number and do its voting that way. So, after reading all of that, do you think this is, or that there is a superior model to Western Liberal democracy in the Middle East? I get that you might want a consultation based monarchy , certainly it would improve long-term wellbeing of the lands, but is it worth it to give up the ability to change the government without violence? It seems to me like there should be the council because of that, but honestly I'm incredibly ignorant of the Middle East and Islam, I am merely here to ask a question. We will create a civilization, and it will shine, and as a waining West succumbs to our fertility, we will be the faith populating the stars, that is if the Day of Judgement doesn't come first.

@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim

2 ай бұрын

I will never donate to you Wallahi I was thinking about it as I’ve been a huge fan of u and recently shared watching lots of your content again…u deleting my comments and allowing sufis to disrespect sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdel wahhab May Allah forgive u for this zulm

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim We don't need your DONATIONS. This is not a charity and we are not in need of your money, especially if you intend to bribe us with it. If your comments are being deleted, perhaps it is because of what you are saying, linking or citing. It has nothing to do with this channel. Accounts that cause major concern are simply blocked altogether. Barakallahu Feekum

@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim

2 ай бұрын

@@Historyun i am not bribing I was being honest I said I was THINKING about donating I never said I WAS going to donate. But I was letting u know u probably lost a fan so that next time atleast u don’t treat ppl differently in the comment section because I thought u were allowing Sufis to slander miaw and I thought u were deleting my comments defending him but as u mentioned u never deleted my comments so I’m sorry. HayakAllah

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim We don't have Fans on this channel, it's not a football tournament but your effort is appreciated 👍🏼

Subhanallah I had no idea about this battle. May Allah reward you. Ameen

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

Barakallahu Feekum

The British ordered BinSaud to stay within the borders demarcated by the British, i.e. parts of Najd and Hijaz. BUT his propaganda to the Bedouins was that he was the ONLY legitimate Muslim group, and they were on a mission to re-conquer the Muslims (which Wahhabism considered to be Mushrikeen) and bring them back to Islam, i.e. Wahhabism. So, he then massacred those closest to his 'mission', because they were going against what the British designated for BinSaud to rule by proxy, which later turned out to be just one of the many British mini proxy states.

@TheSlaveOfAllah1992

2 ай бұрын

Sufiyyah - grave worshipping was wide spread, if you think rubbing yourself and kissing the graves, making tawaf around the graves and other shirkiyyaat and kuffriyaat, seeking blessings from them is Islam for you then you need to learn TAWHEED. Sheikh Muhammed ibn Abdullwahhab, rahimahullah, called people to Tawheed and Sunnah. Go and read Kitaabu Tawheed by Sheikh Muhammed ibn Abdullwahhab. By the way, when the deviated sects were eliminated by The Grace of Allah, they began to call people who adhere to his teaching, "wahabiyyah". In fact, there is no such thing, becouse we know in Islam, every sect has their usul. When these Muslims were busy making tawaf around the graves and other nonsense, the kuffar took advantage of this, the Muslims became backwards becouse we abandoned the way of Sunnah.

@ocelotblack310

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSlaveOfAllah1992 This! The British and western media at large via the help of Orientalists demoralize Shk Abdul Wahab so hard because they know the the Aqeedah he brings is the pure fundamental one that the Sahaba's lived on. The term Wahabism is in of itself erratic as the sheikh's name is Muhammad not Abdul-Wahab. This alone shows the term didn't come from arabic sources

@muslimsisterwifemother2853

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSlaveOfAllah1992 💯

@mohammadusman6525

2 ай бұрын

Abdul Wahab najdi was a British agent whose sole purpose was to divide the muslim ummah for the British so they can take over By the way he was no sheikh, in fact both his father and brother who were both renowned scholars denounced him and his teachings He was a khwaraj through and through and he introduced such lovely practices like takfeer

@bill5931

2 ай бұрын

@@ocelotblack310 Ummm, Wahhabism is the one being spread and pushed and funded all over social media and is made mainstream. In akhir zaman everything isn’t as it seams, the West created Wahhabism, they took spirituality from the Muslims because they were too strong.

I know this whole history in detail by reading the book "Road to Makkah" by Muhammed Asad. Though that is not the subject of the book but Asad was pretty close to Ibn Saud, So he has reaveled very interesting stories and conversation with Ibn Saud.

@Mohazz88

2 ай бұрын

Some people say muhammad asad was a crypto. Is this true?

@KhaderSheriff

2 ай бұрын

@@Mohazz88 who say that?

@KhaderSheriff

2 ай бұрын

@@Mohazz88 Only God knows the truth about that, But I 1000% think he is more Muslim than most of born Muslims.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

@@KhaderSheriff Everyone is born Muslim, we need to spread the mannerisms of Islam some salafis are accused of lacking and teach the islamic ulum many of ahl bida, secuIar ones neglect so ppl are connected to book of Allah and well mannerred to each other.

@AncientPharaoh

2 ай бұрын

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 The real Salafis were the 1st 300 Sahabas. The fake Wahabis who work for the CIA and MI5 are far from the Salafis during the prophets’s time.

Here is very simple to understand ----its two khawarij fought each other

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

I would rather be a Kharijite than a grave worshiper. alhamdalalah

@alisharifsalim

2 ай бұрын

@@alal039 stupid response

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

@@alisharifsalim The stupid is the one who asks a dead person to help him, even though he could not help himself and save it from death.

@ismael6365

Ай бұрын

@@alal039 both are equally doomed. Khawarij are the dogs of hellfire as said by our prophet ﷺ . So you just condemned yourself to hell because of a cult that has nothing to do with Islam. Yes you should stay upon tawheed but never be a sectarian or you will see the grave worshipping Sufis in the hereafter

Bro wallahi I love your channel my favorite channel Highlighting Islamic History, Anthropology, and Sharing True Knowledge with the Shabaab.

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

Barakallahu Feekum 💎

So logically ibn saud is a backstabber

@user-ws2bg7pd1x

2 ай бұрын

More adequately Munaafiq and like him and many others who pose as Muslim brothers but are not to be trusted. Will a Mu'meen ever conspire against a brother muslim. Never !. Furthermore the final confrontation between Imam AL MAHDI will be with the munaafiqeen not cowardly jews christians mushrikeen or kuffaar but the munaafiqueen major part of which is made up of shia . The MU'MINEEN in unity will be victorious ,this non other then ALLAH'S system.

@Mubarak_47

2 ай бұрын

The brotherhood backstabs ibn saud first. He is the leader and he know what best for his country and for his people. the brotherhood want to continue on fighting and killing they are crazy and they don’t know the consequences of this

@KhaderSheriff

2 ай бұрын

Not that simple. But in brief I think it was just another case of politicals and power struggle in which "ants get crushed in a fight between elephants"

@SuperAzoz99

2 ай бұрын

Are you now supporting Ikwan men taa allah the crazy group that kills everyone they dont agree with??

@jackwilliam2965

2 ай бұрын

If you start with haram, then haram no longer feels haram.

Amazing content. Thanks for sharing ❤️

Easy to see how we got to where we are now. Jzk.

Great documentary about a time often overlooked in our history. I think the takeaway from this is that Wahabism was never in charge of the Al Saud regime. It was always the other way around. It's almost funny how easily they're used then thrown away. Just recently Bin Salman blamed everything wrong with Saudi Arabia on Wahabis.

@60674

2 ай бұрын

This is not the end story of the Ikhwan bro. You could research how the Seizure of Masjid Al Haram became one of the causes for King Khalid introduce more religious policies.

@user-gm4nf2dx2o

2 ай бұрын

They are simply ignorant fanatics, after 200 years later we are having them in Somalia "Al Shabaab" They shed boold They pretend to have the only pure understanding of the diin They recruit young impoverished, uneducated classes. They fight to fight.

@trzy7265

2 ай бұрын

@@60674 They died off after that attack, then the rest after that they were reorganized in the white army, loyal to the royal family and it is mostly made of tribes of ikhwan and other tribes

@jackwilliam2965

2 ай бұрын

Power corrupts poor people.

@jackwilliam2965

2 ай бұрын

Man looking to be the king did whatever necessary to astain power including collaborating with non believers.

This brother is well educated but many would deny him base on race

This Brother giving, knowledge, whoever don't like, move on.

@sucrecalderon

2 ай бұрын

Exactly and he inform right ,,many people their knowledge is brainwash propaganda and they are sticked to it and accept nothing else ,they not accept that they could be the wrong one or bid'at,,,but to knowledge himself right is a must be like 5 time prayers May Allah give ummah of Muhammed sav open zihin and unity

Class!

Allah bless you, you're doing a massive service to the ummah. Keep going.

I discovered this Channel 5 days ago and I love it I am a listener I listen more than I talk especially when the person know more than I do If the person say something different than what I thought history was I will just ask more question. if he can convince me good But stop listening to someone just because he says one thing you disagree with that is so weird to me

Where is the rest of it?

Effectively, by 1924 the Ottoman Empire was over. In his famous quote Curzon pronounced the following: “The situation now is that Turkey is dead and will never rise again because we have destroyed its moral strength, the Khilafah and Islam.” (The Khilafah Osmania) Lord Curzon, an Enemy of Islam

Love this channel mashallah

Where can I watch the complete video???

This is gold

Where's the second part?

Very interesting details presented here, thanks for recording this history. Is it accurate to say the Ikhwan who survived the battle of Sabilla were resettled in Asir and that helped Saudi claim the province from Yemen with the 1934 Treaty of Taif? And do you know the connection with St John Philby, the British diplomat who mapped Asir around this time but did not publish the maps until 1952?

The British Foreign Minister Lord Curzon addressing the British Prime Minister shortly before the Second World War. He stated, “We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Khilafah so we must endure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims whether it be intellectual or cultural unity” (this means the unity on the viewpoint about life, something that affects daily affairs, namely the social, economic, education and ruling systems of Islam

@Historyun

8 күн бұрын

It worked

@robertmitchell8630

8 күн бұрын

@@Historyun It's deleted my responses

@Historyun

8 күн бұрын

@@robertmitchell8630 Luck of the draw on KZread, unfortunately.

@robertmitchell8630

8 күн бұрын

@@Historyun Unfortunately Are you Nigerian Sudanese heritage ?

@robertmitchell8630

8 күн бұрын

@@Historyun I did a response that's on the main thread

Where is the full talk on this? Who’s the speaker?

salam alaikum brother may i get the source for the ikhwan attacking the bedouins and their animals

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

Wa Aleikum Salam Captain William Shakespeare's memoirs on his time with the Ikhwan and Ibn Saud in Arabia. He died in battle and had served as the military advisor to the king for several years His book is an authentic first person account of the campaigns and battles. He details a great deal in that book

@user-jo9yg7hx1j

2 ай бұрын

@@Historyun Thank you so much. I may be joining the courses to get a deeper insight , especially as i have friends at school who often taunt me for my historical misinformation. they make vast claims saying the saudis were a khalifa and then they bombard me with piles of documents. Inshallah i can make sense of the history of arabia

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

@@user-jo9yg7hx1j You are most welcome. The program is detached and reading reviews, resources and citations are replete.

As Salaamu alaykum...the music at the end??? Fear Allah Akhi smh

Assalam Alaikum. Could you imagine living in that time period with nature and suddenly airplanes dropping bomb's appeared out of nowhere? THE LEVEL OF SHOCK AND FEAR must have been like no other. Saudi Arabia was beautiful back in the 70's until they began developing it faster than the speed of light. They had adobe style homes that were absolutely beautiful. As a little girl raised there during th 70's & 80's I found the decadent modern development depressing. I wish they had kept Arabia NATURAL. Similar to Jordan's Kan Zaman. Jordan should done the same thing. Embracing Western Architecture is a huge mistake. Have you ever heard of the "Sky Scraper Curse?" See - Shiekh Omar Baloch

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

Oil will not be of great value soon. The Crown Prince wants to save Saudi Arabia, so he is making major changes, and instead of Muslims helping him, they are all standing against him. Saudi Arabia has supported the Islamic world with half a trillion so far, and every Islamic country has benefited from it. At least leave us alone if you do not want to help us.

The idea that God has enemies, and needs human help in order to identify and dispose of them, is a little difficult to assimilate. It is not, however, all that alien. The concept of the enemies of God is familiar in preclassical and classical antiquity, and in both the Old and New Testaments, as well as in the Koran.😢 Bernard Lewis

till this day they so to Takfir and Tabdi2 of the majority of Muslims among Sunna and don't recognize them as Sunni. that created a turmoil in the whole Arab world, when the minority of Wahabi are rich and have many TV channels and Dawa teaching people to loose trust in their Ulama and follow the theirs, while the rest of Sunni world are poor and secularism already infiltrated their country due to colonization.. we have small people with huge influence against the majority who barely have influence inside their country. that created a cold war in middle east and really massive division and plots against each others that the Ummah will never heal until this fight end. ofc they don't have rational argument, they will throw the religious card to justify it.

@trzy7265

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, they radicalised and made their own version of hardened islam. They forced the expulsion of christian and jews from najran through the hands of Ibn saud, effectively breaking the Prophets treaty with the Ahlul kitab.

@Era_Of_Awakening

2 ай бұрын

@@trzy7265 They had power and wealth while the rest don't, but don't think that's a bad thing. All the pain and hardship the Ummah facing the past century will make us awake and rise from these dark ages more powerful and hopefully learn our lessons. we have numbers but no powers..YET.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

@@Era_Of_Awakening Quran 2.137 says correct belief is key to victory, not numbers in Quran 9.25.

@kw6570

2 ай бұрын

Sufi ramblings

@Era_Of_Awakening

2 ай бұрын

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Acknowledged but he also commanded us to not dispute or you would be discouraged and weakened... and in other verse to hold fast, all of you together, to the "Rope" of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves... we clearly disobeyed and still bigot about it.

after their "contribution" in palestine i dont even want to hear about these.

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

What about Palestine? Do you think you have done more for Palestine than us? No one in the world has done and is doing more for Palestine than Saudi Arabia. Stop interfering in our problems in a bad way. Either support our efforts, or remain silent, if Palestine matters to you.

@sdubf2488

2 ай бұрын

You Zionist puppets have no room to talk. Your lineage of cowards.

@kizgintosbaga

2 ай бұрын

@@alal039 what did you do ? let me guess, you sent money and look away right ? compared to what your tribal leaders is sending to US banks aka you know who its nothing. they do all these crimes in palestine with UAE and Saudi money.

@nobloodyusername

2 ай бұрын

@@alal039 you can't criticise Israel in Saudi Arabia. Do you think Israelis have the same amount of love for you Arabs than you have for them?

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

@@nobloodyusername I can't find a proper response to such a ridiculous lie! Is this a joke? Whoever told you this lie has no respect for you.

Is there full on documentary about the start of Abdul wahhab movement There are accounts within the indo subcontinent whereby many a Muslim were killed in the name of tawheed or rather its interpretation Some even say there was a British connection with the wahhaabi movement and then some blame the indo subcontinent of colluding with the British during the the British raj as a means of keeping Muslims apart A comprehensive objective history guide to the 200 year old group would be great إنشاءالله تعلٰي

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

The British presence in our region began after 1820, after Wahhabism took control of the entire Arabian Peninsula. Whoever says that there is a connection between Wahhabism and the English is ignorant of history.

@saadimadina1337

Ай бұрын

There is a book about that involving a British spy - it's called "confessions of a British spy"

@alal039

Ай бұрын

@@saadimadina1337 All British documents related to our region are published in the British archives, and there is no person named Humphrey in all of these documents. This is a fake book written by a Shiite person, and in a stupid way that someone with little intelligence would not believe.

@alal039

Ай бұрын

The call of Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab took control of the Arabian Peninsula before any British presence in our region, which began after 1820.

thank you, for sharing this modern History

The Western to an extent the Hindu sheep ,still haven't recognized the wolves (in sheep clothing)

wow. you learn something new everyday

Salamalaykum brother did Churchill hate only the ottomans or all of the Muslims?

@MegaMucahid

2 ай бұрын

I am asking so simple because you know his defeat in gallipoli he was an evil person

Assalāmu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullāhi Wa Barakātuhu. 1) Peace treaty was done by Rasoolullaah (صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) and the Sahabah. It is permissible. If the ottomans seek help from Germans for western industrial development then it is permissible. But if Saudi does it then they are western slave? 2) The one who revolts against the Muslim rulers are called Khawaarij. Rasoolullaah (صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) has us to have patience if the ruler is tyrant or good. As we know the Khawaarij revolted against Calipha Uthman (رَضِيَ ٱللَّٰهُ عَنْهُ), Calipha Ali (رَضِيَ ٱللَّٰهُ عَنْهُ), and also tried to kill Ameer Muawiyah (رَضِيَ ٱللَّٰهُ عَنْهُ) and 'Amr Ibn Al-Aas (رَضِيَ ٱللَّٰهُ عَنْهُ). If the Hashemites revolt against ottomans, then they are khawarij. But if some arabs revolt against Saudi, then they become your beloved Ikhwaan. 3) Rasoolullaah (صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) warned us against worshipping graves and warned us against making graves as worshipping place and not to make tombs over grave. If ottomans do worship graves, make tombs, do shirk, then you have no problem. But if saudi follows the Qur'aan and Sunnah, break and flatten the graves, establish Tawheed. Then you have problem. During the First Saudi State, the Saudees didn't do anything against the Ottomans. Even many Ottoman Rulers didn't cause harm to Saudi. But later when Ottomans attacked Saudi MUSLIM civilians with heavy weaponry, Executed the MUSLIM leader with playing haram music around him, you have no problem. May Allaah (عَزَّ وَجَلَّ) guide us. May Allaah (عَزَّ وَجَلَّ) reveal the hypocrites and destroy them.

Pls named us some important history book of middle east so that we can understand the present scenario of isreal and Palestine

when they discovered oil of that house of saud..

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

They have helped the Islamic world with half a trillion so far from this oil money. Have you helped a single poor Muslim in your entire life?

I have two questions, (will these things even be possible) but they will take this post to create coherent questions: Personally I think that the West has gotten so advanced in all things because of a few reasons, mainly it's history of basic tension. First let me say that of course I recognize that they used to be terrible, but, by, let's say, the 90's, they fixed themselves for the most part, gay marriage is legal even in the US (my country), lgbtq people aren't treated well enough in a lot of places, but there's an enormous economic and popular base that supports them that they should be proud of building as a freedom-loving and humane society. I personally think that your religion dictates what civilization you belong to, so even though I only speak English and I am of Guatemalan descent (A Spanish-speaking country directly South of and bordering Mexico) I consider myself part of Middle Eastern civilization (please correct me if that's wrong to). Firstly: One of those things that makes the West great is the two city system. In the West the dialectic between philosophy (philosophy used to just mean an intellectual pursuit like a science) and morality is very stark. They can make a scientific discovery and not believe it, and they can believe something without evidence, but the struggle produces epic results. It invented science, opened the door of theology as a formal discipline, launched man into space (I get that the Soviets said they weren't Western but philosophically they were, after all Marx and Engels were German/British) and made quick work of most of the other nations on Earth, and yet they have the right to believe the world was created when they were born, or that the Earth is flat. All this is the dialectic between Athens and Jerusalem, or, should I say, Athens tempered by Jerusalem. One can say that this is a flawed value system, but it is certainly superior to anything produced by any other civilization thus far. Ours must be the rise of a system similar to, yet detached from both of those cities and gaining our history back as they did to Greece and Rome in their Renaissance, then improve it until we cross the span toward the Islamic equivalent of the Jewish Enlightenment. We can do this with a balance between Babylon, tempered by Mecca. Babylon was a great city, and the first major metropolis (arguably after Uruk) in history, but really standing for all of the civilizations in Mesopotamia, mainly because the West may have invented science, but we invented civilization itself. They may have invented freedom, but we invented justice. We may be outnumbered by advocates of politicized shariah, but what can stop the forward march of justice? There is also the matter of a structure of government. The well known and eminent Jewish-British-American historian Bernard Lewis specializing in middle-Eastern civilization, who said, if I recall correctly: "The Muslims will have to create their own form of government (and separate it from religious rule)" after that he said that Islam has a huge tradition of humane, limited, responsible governance to draw from in order to make a modern society, especially in their use of the term consultation (shurah), where organization, power and authority came from within or below, not from above. If there is a way to create a new kind of government I think it would take those shurah groups and have them act as American-style branches of government, with separation of powers, vetos overcome by major majorities, a branch for the clergy, a branch for the military, a branch of commerce, a branch of worker's unions etc. and to let them elect their own leaders to a high council that will be odd in number and do its voting that way. So, after reading all of that, do you think this is, or that there is a superior model to Western Liberal democracy in the Middle East? I get that you might want a consultation based monarchy , certainly it would improve long-term wellbeing of the lands, but is it worth it to give up the ability to change the government without violence? It seems to me like there should be the council because of that, but honestly I'm incredibly ignorant of the Middle East and Islam, I am merely here to ask a question. We will create a civilization, and it will shine, and as a waining West succumbs to our fertility, we will be the faith populating the stars, that is if the Day of Judgement doesn't come first.

@gs043420

2 ай бұрын

This is just an insecure defeated thinking that you are using. Look at the chinese, and japanese. They had their civilization and culture intact and they only copied west in developing their infrastructure and science and manufacturing. The Ottomans during tanzimat reforms copied western ideas but did not try to improve economy and infrastructure that much.

@trzy7265

2 ай бұрын

Wow brother you've asked great questions and provided a compelling arguement, im not well versed on the main topic of your discussion. But i can tell that its definetly allowed for you to associate with middle eastern civilization of you're a muslim and or as i noticed you indicated that you are guatemalan, for which the spanish crown forcibly settled andalusian moriscos, whos ancestry was a mixture of peninsular arab and berber. It is highly likely as you can have arab ancestry, many latin people do. And hopefully someone answers your main questions and discussian in detail ;)

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

We need to eliminate poverty and ignorance first, and a long peace, then thinking will begin to devise the appropriate governance systems for us.

Nin waalan oo waliba beenale dhiigya caba ayuu ahaa maxamed c/wahaab

Mohammed like Moses not only preached but rule the nation territories, levied taxes and commanded the Army unlike Jesus who taught “ Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto my father what is his “ “My kingdom is not of this world” “ do unto others as you have them do unto you” “ Those who live by the sword would die by the sword” Again Mohammed did not suffer Martyrdom like Jesus nor did Muslims suffer like the early Christians suffered 300 years of persecution under Roman rule. Nor did Muslims have to choose between faith and secular authority like the Christians Haf to. Church attendance is seen as a civil action , totally voluntary. Westerners may freely joke about their faith but this is blasphemy to the Muslims So the idea of separation of mosque and state is indigestible to Muslims. Jesus “ my Kingdom is not of this world”

the rest?

My brother, these topics are not the best time to focus on the issue that concerns Muslims now, such as the issue of Palestine from a historical, political, and military perspective, because it is the central issue for Muslims at this critical time, such as: 1. The story of the dialogue between King Abdulaziz and Roosevelt in the American President’s attempt to convince King Abdulaziz of the Jews’ coming to Palestine? And the battle of the Saudi army in the 1948 war. There are two books about it with the same title. 2. Political journalist Muhammad Hassanein Heikal wrote about the Palestine issue. He has a number of books chronicling the conflict with the Israeli occupation from the beginning. 3. Memoirs of the military commander, such as the memoirs of Lieutenant General Saad Al-Shazly in the October War 4. Dr. Abdel-Wahhab Al-Mesiri’s book, entitled Encyclopedia of Jews, Judaism and Zio*nism 5. We want books that explain in depth the relationship of Zion*ism with the American, British, German and French leaders.

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

History channel, not political or social commentary news feed channel.

@user-kj8yl6sn2z

2 ай бұрын

@@Historyun What is happening in politics now is modern history, which will be in history books in the future, and talking about the present history that concerns Muslims is better than talking about the past.

@khairt1731

2 ай бұрын

​​@@user-kj8yl6sn2z First of all create your own channel and talk about anything you want. Where do you get this nerve and audacity to tell someone what to do on a channel that you did not create?

@saeedamaan

2 ай бұрын

Talking about the past will make you understand the current situation the Muslims are in. Also, this is knowledge base. Take it for what it is. There are many other people covering these things you talked about. Go to them for that and come here for beneficial historic knowledge. Simple as that!

@Resilient786

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you...... Past is past...... Concentrate on the crisis of the present.​@@user-kj8yl6sn2z

The British did not intervene in this battle or any other. Who said this? All the akhwan were with Ibn Saud. Those who rebelled against him were Alawa from the Mutair tribe, led by Ad-Dawish. Barqa from the Utaiba tribe led by Ibn Bijad, and a section of the Ajman tribe led by Ibn Hathlin. The battle took place in Al-Sablah and they were defeated in a short time, as you said. My father's father attended this battle on the side of Ibn Saud, and my mother's grandfather's father attended this battle on the side of the akhwan. رحمهم الله جميعهم

@khairt1731

2 ай бұрын

Do you support normalization with Israel?

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

@@khairt1731 Tell me first, why are you asking this question that has nothing to do with my comment?

@randomlygeneratedname7171

2 ай бұрын

@@alal039 It doesn’t matter just tell us.

@sucrecalderon

2 ай бұрын

3 tribes like you mention ,,3 tribes out of 24 joined british empire against ottoman empire and spreaded their bid'at way ,,but only one could get main position,,21 groups stayed out of the whole conflict,,,would they join too than there would be today no saudi arabia,,,it goes all by plan of English empire colony ministry started 1710

@trzy7265

2 ай бұрын

@@khairt1731 Irrelevant comment to the thread, and normalizing relations zionist diaper babies is equal to poisoning yourself

It's wobblers

@Kay-sd1fw

2 ай бұрын

Why do people call them wobblers?

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

You mean like sofia thikr wobbling.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

@@Kay-sd1fw Usually due to hypocrisy of actions

@shaky..

2 ай бұрын

@@Kay-sd1fw because they wobble 🤣

0:30 sounds like a cult

Man does who wants to be king does whatever necessary to astain power including collaborating with non believers.

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

Mention one respected historian who says that Ibn Saud cooperated with the infidels against the Muslims. Only one historian. You are repeating Shiite lies.

Pure fitna

Shout out to mohammed ibn abd al wahhab

@khairt1731

2 ай бұрын

Khawarij talking

@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim

2 ай бұрын

@@khairt1731rahimahuAllah sheikhul islam Muhammad ibn Abdel wahhab ibn Suleyman al tamimi raghma uloof al sufiya wal rafeeda

@khairt1731

2 ай бұрын

​@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim"shaykh ul-islam" only in your very small sect. No one respects him in the Ummah. His father and his family rejected him because he was a murderer.

@rehanpathan7094

2 ай бұрын

His own brother was against him.

@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273

2 ай бұрын

Any one against mohammed ibn al wahhab is Grave worshipers Fix your aqeeda first

Please improve voiceover, it was bad in the last channel, same in now, it's not clear at all. It will be better if you use some text to speech tech from ElevenLabs for example.

@khairt1731

2 ай бұрын

Nonsense. Clean your ears

@qvxactgcw

2 ай бұрын

@@khairt1731 It is what it is, the quality improved these days, but is/was much worse back then

Al-Wahhab is the name of Allah.

Please stop using the term wahaabi it was colonial derogatory term for anybody who followed the prophet (saas)

@mz8452

2 ай бұрын

No it was used by Muslims first. The mufti of Mecca Ahmad zaini dahlan used it and sulayman ibn Andik wahab also

@warababeser1

2 ай бұрын

No u were misinformed, it was used by the Ahlul Sunnah to refer to the new sect at the time of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab. They refrained from using his first name as it would coincide with the Prophet's name, so rather they used his father's.

@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl

2 ай бұрын

@@mz8452 😂

@sucrecalderon

2 ай бұрын

​@@warababeser1exactly,,1735 english empire colony ministry and his agent hempher and Abu saud and abu wahab builded wahabi group,,,1830 they builded salafi group in sudan,,,same year in france begun propaganda against islam and turk and Arab,,to divide the ummah,,,we see today that their plans still work and some people not want to accept the truth ,instead they follow still propaganda knowledge,,,even in their university they teach wrong and people go out as bid'at and spread it ,,,in past the agents lost every debate against scholars,,1710 than agent hempher send agents to hambeli university's and years later they begun to print fake hadith and not authentic ones like from ibn taymiyyah or 90% faked al taberi and at their end time manifested it with al albani 1913

@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl

2 ай бұрын

@@warababeser1 nope the British imperialist use there the term wahaabi against ahli hadees who they termed wahaabi and since Ahmad raza barelawi the British took that and told his followers to use that term

saudi long time sell muslim...

Salam, I advise you to not describe yourself as a stoic as your behaviour should aspire to be as a Muslim. Philosophy is inherently rooted in paganism. Its theological and natural studies contradict the sharee'ah and Islam. Dont take from men who follow their desires. Take from the prophet and his companions. Allah knows best

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

It's a colloquialism, I'm not made out of iron either. Barakallahu Feekum for the advice though

@user-fm4db6cq7g

2 ай бұрын

Wa feekum barak Allah akhi. In your position of influence its important that the common man is not influenced toward grave ideologies. The only religion that Allah accepts from us is Islam. May Allah make us all firm in the deen. Ameen

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

@@user-fm4db6cq7g that is a valid point. JazakallAhu Khayran

@user-fm4db6cq7g

2 ай бұрын

Wa iyyakum akhi

First we should not call it Saudia. Abdelwahab or kaab ahbar formerly are the same.Ikhwan or Saud or the british are the same.Abdelwahab can find a good reason of tawheed but he is a jewish originally like The Saudi and most of their imams are jewish originally not Arabs at all.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

He is Banu Tamim of ismail and his tribe is hard on dujaal in bukhari hadith 4366, do you just make up Iies?

@tahaahmed-wl9rs

2 ай бұрын

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 l'm not making lies and I'm not chiite.

@alal039

2 ай бұрын

@@tahaahmed-wl9rs I know you, you are that Hindu who incites the killing of Muslims, I saw. Lots of your comments. You racist, fanatical, pagan! Why do you pretend to be a Muslim?!

As a Saudi, I must say most of the points you mentioned are false. Lemme correct you below: 1. The Ikhwan were an effective battalion not the army of king Abdulaziz. 2. They pledged allegiance and fought for the king from 1913-1929 not for 30 years as you claimed. 3. The British did not give him the title “king.” The King signed numerous treaties with the British (territorial sovereignty was one of them) ultimately seeking for international recognition as the sole ruler of the region. 4. If the British paid off the King not take Mecca, then how did the King eventually took Mecca and the Hijaz province? 5. To say King Abdulaziz wouldn’t have succeeded without the Ikhwan is just absurd because as I said above they were nothing more than a powerful battalion. 6. The King had at least 25,000 soldiers in his army in the battle of Sabilla while the Ikhwan did not exceed 6,000. 7. The British army did not participate in the battle whatsoever. In fact, never in history did the British army entered any land ruled by BinSaud. Only one individual was allowed to enter by the King and his name was William Shakespeare who died in the battle of Kanzan with king Abdulaziz. 8. The king for the first time used machine guns he purchased from the British against the Ikhwan and that’s why the battle ended very fast.

@Historyun

2 ай бұрын

Wa Aleikum Salam Firstly, your comment is well structured, coherent and mature. JazakallAhu Khayran for engaging with maturity and intelligence. In terms of the points outlined in the video, they are all correct and I was very precise with the choice of words at each point 1. The Ikhwan were his helpers for "the most part of 30 years" this is true given the fact that they appeared c1902 and were annihilated in 1929. 2. He certainly needed them to succeed in his campaigns as they provided the ideological and political clout necessary to sustain such an influential campaign in the region. The Ikhwan also had their own tribal chiefs whose endorsement of Ibn Saud's mission made it even more potent. 3. I did clearly mention the "British Artillery" used on the battlefield, the British bombs were also used to wipe out Ikhwan factions near the borders of Jordan and Kuwait 4. The focus of this video is the Ikhwan, nowhere does it claim that Ibn Saud was totally reliant on this unit/force because he wouldn't have been able to fight them without an army (which he later used to absorb the remaining Ikhwan figthers, as mentioned in the video). 5. The British had already endorsed Shariff Hussein's position in Makkah while also working with Ibn Saud. They kept him at bay until the time was right and he entered Makkah without any resistance from Ali Ibn Hussain (who fled to Iraq under his brother Faisal). He declared the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932 with British approval and endorsement and had been working towards this several years prior, as evidenced by the British military advisor who accompanied him on several campaigns (Captain William Shakespeare). To claim that he didn't need British endorsement and assistance is far from reality.

@nobloodyusername

2 ай бұрын

British slave

Dear All, I don’t agree with the term Wahabi as being an appropriate term for Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab’s followers. I also don’t agree with people disrespecting our brother who’s running this channel. He does put out great content from time to time. We can agree to disagree but please don’t disrespect our brother and fear Allah as you will be questioned on The Day of Judgement regarding your tongue.

Call us Muhammadi because our Imam is Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhaab (Muhammad the son of Wahhab). We have nothing to do with his father, Abdul Wahhaab. Imam Muhammad started the Dawah. Call us Muhammadhi. You won't because it is a praise. Even if you think that "Wahhabi" is a slander, then go read the Book of Allaah (عَزَّ وَجَلَّ). "Wahhaab" is the name of Allaah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ). Thanks for Calling us Wahhaabi. We are the Slave of Allaah (عَزَّ وَجَلَّ), Al-Wahhaab. Either Call us Muhammadhi or Wahhaabi, it's a praise.

Ottomans will return !

The grave worshippers and Saint worshippers love anything against Sheikh abdul wahab

@multanprarie2600

2 ай бұрын

abdul wahab najdi was a khabees

@khairt1731

2 ай бұрын

No one believes your lies anymore. "Grave worshippers" without any evidence whatsoever. Allah will deal with you slanderers on Judgement Day.