Let me know when dirt floors are coming back. Want my DIY projects to be as cheap as possible

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

LOL. Cheers!

@kelseycoca

Жыл бұрын

dirt cheap!

@solrosenberg9924

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahhahahah.

@customsolutions7167

Жыл бұрын

Best reply yet ! 👍

@crimsondraak3024

11 ай бұрын

Rammed earth floor

My right ear enjoyed this a lot more than my left.

@stephen7938

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I was looking if anyone else had this issue. Glad to know I'm not alone.

@deathsite95

Жыл бұрын

on god!

@harleirebelqwin

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 mine too. What’s that about!

@MyUnquenchableThirst

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for this comment. I only had my left in and was wondering why was going on

@MeeraRaju1111

8 ай бұрын

Same, I took my headphones off like🤨

Ye-olden hardwood floors are just about the only thing that has lasted the test of time.

@user-nh3gu1ge3d

2 жыл бұрын

Concrete, stone, brick, wood, etc. all last if you don't mess them up. Only reason laminate hasn't "lasted the test of time" is because it's a new product. It should last indefinitely if taken care of.

@HappyBeeHoney

2 жыл бұрын

Wood floors are great if you have $20000 to spend on flooring. And water can still ruin it.

@user-nh3gu1ge3d

2 жыл бұрын

@@HappyBeeHoney Sure, if your house is 8,000 square feet . Hardwood is barely more expensive (depending on what you get). I got Brazilian Teak for 2.5/sqft (at a builder auction a few months ago), and you can get oak for mid 2's as well. I mean, sure you can get an exotic $20+sqft wood, but most people just get oak. Laminate is usually around 2 so you spend, what, a dollar more per square foot? So a lot closer to $2,000 more than $20,000 (unless you live in an 8,000 sqft house of course).

@HappyBeeHoney

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-nh3gu1ge3d It's about $7/sqft for 3/4" red oak in CA, plus install is a bit more technical than snapping laminate together so you might be looking at install costs. And I prefer unfinished wood that is finished after install, so add finishing costs to that price.

@user-nh3gu1ge3d

2 жыл бұрын

@@HappyBeeHoney CA being overpriced is an issue with CA, not wood. But yeah, it's definitely more labor esp if you don't get prefinished. Like I said, I got my Brazilian Teak for 2.5/sqft which is about what laminate costs, but then install and finishing was def. more expensive than laminate (because there is none). It cost me about 3k more than laminate per thousand sqft. I think that's a relatively small price to pay for a vastly superior product but to each his own, I suppose. You're only going to spend 20k (total or extra) if you get gouged for living in cali, get gouged at the store for the product, have a ginormous house, and/or get gouged on install. I picked mine up myself from the auction so it's a lot less convenient, have to organize your own transport via truck/trailer, and wait for an auction to roll around. But for a once in 30-50 year event, a little extra leg work is well worth it. Again, just my opinion. YMMV.

I have completed several flooring projects using laminate floors, all labeled as “water resistant.” In a mudroom where we enter our house, we had to replace some boards because the constant dampness from wet boots, became damaged. The joints showed expansion and discoloration. We replaced the floor with a totally water proof vinyl and after two winters, no evidence of damage! The words “water resistant” do not mean water proof.

@erbrooks

4 ай бұрын

What about the ones that say waterproof

The original Pergo laminate floor glued together is the perfect laminate floor little harder to install but perfect. Kitchen 23 years and counting.

I used Mohawk Revwood plus a couple times. Still dusty to cut but super easy to install. Two and a half years, three young kids, and a 60lb dog later, and the only damage to the floor is the one or two spots where a knife was dropped point-down. The floor looks fantastic, always getting compliments on it. The buyers of that house were shocked when we told them the floor was over two years old. Some styles of revwood appear to be slightly more scratch and dent resistant, but we liked it enough to put it in the next house too.

@crystalline9098

Жыл бұрын

I just installed Revwood Premier some weeks ago. So far okay…. Hopefully 20 years from now still okay!!!

I work for a flooring distributor and you are 100% right. Our LVP sales have plummeted and with the new laminates that are coming out, we’re going through so much we can barely keep it in stock.

@bman041

2 жыл бұрын

Can you recommend a laminate?

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

I sell floors for a living and have moved into my second market. I am doing my best to turn people away from LVPs here too. To much hassle. We are about 4-5 years into the current LVP trend of thinning out those cores to 4-5mm thick and the claims are starting to roll in... especially on the DIYers. Similar to the 10 year mark when people started to realize their LVPs scratch alot easier than they were sold on and their floors don't look as good. With laminates basically solving their water issues in the last few years you have the advantage of a floor that doesn't really scratch easy and can handle moisture. People just have a bad taste in their mouths from the old Pergos from 30 years ago. They couldn't handle moisture and they installed them in wet areas. They see the bubbling and think its a terrible floor and conviniently forget that in their living room it usually still looks great because it wears like iron.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

@@bman041 RevWood from Mohawk. Their Premier line specifically. Looks amazing. Its functionally water proof. You can steam mop it and installed right can go in wet areas like bathrooms. Its about as close in appearance that you can get to actual hardwood without it being wood. It will make pretty much any LVP look like the hunk of plastic that it is.

We own a business installing LVP and other hard surface flooring. Ive seen many different brands. 24-hour water resistance is very misleading... thats just for on the SURFACE. It'll still seep between, getting underneath, causing issues if it's repeatedly happening.

My experience is get the thickest laminate you can. 15mm and a good underlayment. Don’t skip the underlayment even when going over wood subfloor. The thin vinyl seems to flex more when walking on it. Just my opinion.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

Floor Prep is a must. Thinner LVPs are failing at an alarming rate because floors aren't being prepped correctly, or the house is shifting and pushing them out of the floor's tolerances for height variations. Laminates have more meat behind them, gives them more to work with when it comes to that variation. Floors still need to be prepped/leveled, but the tolerance for failure is far far better on a product that has some thickness to it. They make LVPs that do the same (7mm or more), but you start seeing the price point start to increase drastically. There is nothing a vinyl does that a good laminate can also do, often times better.

@ryans413

10 ай бұрын

Some have underpayment on the planks some don’t. Also factor in the locking style tung and groves the best because you can slide the planks to fit them in place

I put some 1/2 laminate from the big blue store in my grandpa's a few years ago. I've installed over 10k sq ft of different vinyls and so far that laminate was my favorite!

Finished a good week and a half prep on floors for 3 bedrooms in my house. The floor I’m replacing is a pergo laminate from 10-11 years ago. I was dead set on getting vinyl flooring but ended up going for the Allen & Roth laminate. It was just better at every test I threw at it. Looked better, thicker, heavyier, but the locking system is what ultimately swayed me. It took pliers to break it when I tested the strength. And definitely not cutting through it with a box cutter. Oh yeah it was cheaper as well for the Cherry on top. I recommend it 100%.

As a flooring installer I always recommend that my customers do not skimp on the price of materials on their flooring.

@El_Prophet11

11 ай бұрын

Which is a good flooring material brand anti water anti moist that would last forever ?

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

@@El_Prophet11 Pretty much any quality floor (LVP or Laminate) will serve those purposes... at least for what it actually matters. Nothing really lasts forever though. Water resistant Laminates have the edge up on durability though. Waterproof is a loaded term for flooring. It doesn't really mean what most people think it means. A piece of LVP is waterproof. You can throw it in a pool for a week, take it out, dry it and install it.... but if your dishwasher explodes you are going to lose it anyway, because they are going to tear it out to get to your subfloor or slab to repair damage/remediate.

@El_Prophet11

11 ай бұрын

@@daleludtke7803 thank you brother

@coolhluke8089

10 ай бұрын

@@El_Prophet11out of all the flooring that I've installed I personally like the smartcore ultra the best from Lowes.

@retroplank

4 ай бұрын

Any thoughts on bamboo flooring?

I found out recently that vinyl off gases for the life of the product it used to be in paint , wallpaper etc and laminate is glued sawdust which formaldehyde is the main component, off gases used to be in scotch guard in carpets and many more products whi h no longer are on the market . Just passing on information ,we are all grown up , free to make own decision . 👍

I've installed both laminate and lvp. Only lvp for builders I've worked for, and I prefer the way laminate feels. My boss always recommended lvp but it seems cheaper than good quality laminate. The way pergo snaps together, is bulletproof and has a more robust texture makes it feel like real wood

I used laminate flooring when I recently renovated a bathroom in my home. I had to take out the dry rotted subflooring, which I replaced with pressure treated plywood, and sister one of the joists. Two years later I don’t see any water leaks, and the flooring still looks pristine. When I get around to renovating my other bathroom I will use laminate in that one too. The real tile floor looks great, but the grout gets stained and gross and makes the bathroom stinky.

I just put laminate floors in really nice thick waterproof sounds great to walk on and looks extremely close to real wood definitely recommend

I'm a huge fan of the laminate from Sam's Club. Good quality, built in padding, and a very good price. Vinyl scratches to easily. The only place I'll use it is in a bathroom.

Light wood laminate! Light wood laminate!

I got the vinyl floor from Costco, took a couple days, installed it just to rip it out and buy laminate from Costco and install it. Vinyl is cheap. A lot of waste because of the broken locking grooves. Also gave a really cold floor and hard surface to walk on. Laminate is complete opposite. It's very nice. I really like the laminate.

As a pet owner i decided to only go with full water proof, its expensive but less than changing the whole floor

Thank you for this information, I watching your videos help me prepare to do my flooring 🙌

We just installed LVT and are so in love with it. We are only mad it took us this long!!

laminate is warmer, water resistant now. the edges have wax on it now so it creates a water seal.

@AhilenBernal

10 ай бұрын

I just bought laminate and I started getting soooo worried after so many cons. The one I got is water resistance.

If you're a landlord you can't really trust that spills will be cleaned up in 24 hrs. Carpet is also a no-go.

@amberslilrose3954

7 ай бұрын

Laminate sheeting 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Matt90541

4 ай бұрын

I'm a landlord and have had carpet for the past 15 years renting. No problems.

I actually used to do flooring and I really hated working with vinyl, most the stuff today is brittle and chips really easily if you’re not very careful. Once it’s installed it’s great, but my biggest problem isn’t even so much the vinyl, it’s the false sense of security the “waterproofing” gives people. Vinyl itself won’t get damaged by water, but it is NOT water tight. So if you spill a lot of water on your vinyl it’s going to get through the cracks, which is why I think it’s absolutely insane that im seeing people put that in their bathrooms and kitchens.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with putting LVPs in bathrooms, but you are 100% right about the false sense of security that people think it gives them. The floor covering is waterproof, not surface it is installed on. You are also right about the brittleness. The current trend for budget saving with LVPs is to make them thinner and thinner. Much of the stuff I sell now in the sub 3-4 dollar range can have the locking mechanism snapped with your thumb. Installers aren't a fan of them, as they break alot of those edges trying to install them. Thicker LVPs (6mms or more) don't really have this issue, but at that point you could have gotten a laminate that would have done the same work for less.

I'd love to see a video about VCT, Jeff. Seems perfect for a church basement lol...!

Vinyl, especially if it's getting thinner, mean you need a PERFECT subfloor or you will see every seam in underlayment or trowel marks. Laminate floats over everything and is far more resilient to scratches and punctures.

@andreyangere3076

2 жыл бұрын

You've got those backwards

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

@@andreyangere3076 No he doesn't. I wear keys out on laminate at my job while I shred the wear layers on vinyls. Laminate are more prone to chipping when you hit them with weight as they are harder though. We are seeing waaaay to many claims on 4-5mm vinyls due to installs where the floors are properly leveled. Almost always due to self installs. Tons of board separations and broken joints.

@andreyangere3076

Жыл бұрын

@@daleludtke7803 installation error. Broken locks on install or flooring wasn't acclimated and isn't kept within acceptable temp range

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

@@andreyangere3076 not all laminates require acclimation, just like not all vinyls (SPC core). They all have a temperature range to follow. Not sure what an install has to do with the difference between a wear layer made of urethane plastic, and one of melamime.

Here in Australia it's came back everyone is going for laminate for about 4 years . If they could find a way to put it into wet areas they would and ill be out of a job as a tiler.

@nae_to_cleasadair

Жыл бұрын

I'm building in NSW at the moment and I think I saw options for wet areas while looking at my choices. (I went for tiles in my laundry, bath and WC anyway)

The vinyl I’ve installed wears my blades out faster and is also so flimsy and easy to break and crack. I have to be so gentle with it to avoid chipping.

@johncharbonneau8108

2 жыл бұрын

Need to use higher quality and buy the cutting tool off Amazon that Jeff recommends for $80, well worth it.

I Have kiddos and I made the mistake of putting laminate flooring 😞 We have recently purchased a house with Vinyl flooring and I will forever be a fan of vinyl flooring…. If you have young kiddos who play sports ⚽️ 🏈 🏀 I highly recommend Vinyl flooring…

I found it strange that vinyl so much popular, in fact it feels cold and rigid for a feet. All my family just loves 15mm laminate compared to 4mm vinyl

@tylere.8436

Жыл бұрын

Imagine walking in your house on plastic.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

Its the waterproof part of it that tricks them And Sales people basically lying to them about how tough they are. I also sell floors, and I come across it all the time. I have worn keys out on samples proving just how different the products are on wear.

@humz403

8 ай бұрын

The New laminate is pretty amazing as long as you're paying for a quality product.

@JakePlisskin12

7 ай бұрын

i install flooring and everytime i install vinyl the eintire time im thinking that theres no way i would ever want to talk on this all the time. i would rather put elestimer in my house before that stuff. (its a indoor running track product)

I hate laminate flooring with a passion! We have a solid timber floor downstairs, beautiful mahogany wood. Beautiful to look at, nice to walk on and not noisy. My son and daughter each have laminate floors - cheap looking, slippery and bouncy to walk on and the NOISE is horrible.

@kottyking

4 ай бұрын

10$ a square for $2.15 yeah I’d hope so

@luvlyval587

4 ай бұрын

Give your kids money to upgrade to hardwood.

@user-ze6do7kf4e

4 ай бұрын

Laminate flooring from when? I’m currently redoing the laminate flooring in my house from 11-12 years ago to new laminate. The difference is comical actually.

@republitarian484

Ай бұрын

Not sure what Laminate flooring they have but we put in Pergo Timbercraft from Lowe's about 4 years ago and aside from some chips from Knives falling in the kitchen it looks almost as good as the day it was installed. If we had real wood floors with as many kids we have and a large dog there would be dents, scratches, nicks, etc. I'll take Laminate over wood or LVP.

My right ear enjoyed this video.

i have had a 12mm laminate floor in my kitchen for 13 years. No scratches, warping, water damage, chipping, nothing. Still looks brand new. I was looking into vinyl lately but has heard alot of people having problem with the vinyl planks separating in tje joins and getting all wavy after just 2 years.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Seperation in joints is often from a improperly leveled floor, combined with LVPs getting thinner and thinner to keep costs down. Makes the locking mechanisms pretty brittle. One of my top sellers I can snap with my thumb. If I can't convince them to make the switch to laminate (which nine times out of tens happens with a key test), I take them to a thick LVP that has some meat on its bones.

@cyndij8312

9 ай бұрын

​@daleludtke7803 I've been reading your responses to other commentors and feel like you know what you're talking about. My house is 1,000 sq ft on slab in Florida. For years I've been convinced that I wanted to use LVP throughout the entire house including kitchen and bathrooms. Now I'm wondering if I need to rethink that. What's a brand of laminate in a mid-range price that you recommend? Thanks in advance.

@republitarian484

Ай бұрын

@@cyndij8312 . . Pergo Timbercraft (Lowe's) Pergo Outlast (Home Depot). Same stuff.

The aquaguard laminate from Floor and Decor is way more substantial and looks much better than any of their vinyl floors. It's almost like having second subfloor. Cost is a little less also.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

Its a good floor. Though I am having a hard time seeing who makes it for them. Floor and Decor is basically the costco of the flooring world. Its great for DIYers.

My parents have had laminate for about 20 years and it's only now just showing the wear. It was on clearance at Value City way back when. Laminate is good, just take decent care of it. Hardwood will last much longer, but we don't all have that budget.

Yup. Laminate flooring is here to stay. We just has some put in two rooms. Also discovered by accidental spillage (on an old laminate floor thank God!), that hair dye stains it a treat - should anyone want to change their light laminate flooring to dark. And it’s probably safer than the stains made especially for it.

@drewdoumit1223

Жыл бұрын

Eh idk lol i wouldnt say its too much safer. And just cause it colors it dont mean its good or that itll weather the same as stain made for it ya know? You can color your walls with sharpie sure lmao but it wont stay

@Sufficient4UsIsAllah

Жыл бұрын

@@drewdoumit1223 lol, still safer. I think the permanent dye would last though. Ever tried getting that stuff out of your hair? It kills your hair before it goes. Even with products made to remove it :/

We've had 1st generation glue together Pergo laminate in the dry rooms of of our home for almost 30 years. Its held up against wear and tear and spills and we're only replacing it because of remodeling. I'm skeptical of the durabilty claims of LVP so we're leaning toward laminate again which has a proven track record. We're be searching for a brand that is also bathroom and kitchen friendly..

How about sheet linoleum? I'm seriously considering it!

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

You don't normally see actual linoleum anymore. But Forbo does Marmoleum, which is the same natural products. What most people today think is linoleum is actually sheet vinyl. Prices can range from dirt cheap to more than most LVPs/Laminates. The install is more complicated than most people realize, with more embossing and prep required than floating floors.

@CriticalTechReviews

6 ай бұрын

Okay so here's the deal with sheet vinyl (what you're probably talking about): It is AMAZING to walk on, if you get good quality thick kind. Sort of between carpet and hardwood, where sturdy glasses won't break and it's comfortable to kneel on. And if you have pets that like to piss all the time, you wipe it up and you're done. No gaps, no cracks, no grout, and if you put a 1/4 inch ridge below the edge of it at the walls, piss won't go under it. it's effortless. BUT IT RIPS IF YOU LOOK AT IT. Every single item you own will need to be put on furniture sliders, or their feet will rip it. And you will need to glue it down if you don't want to go insane with how loud claws are while pets walk on it. But none of that is super hard, and the benefits for pet owners and for general livability (again, it feels much more like carpet than laminate or hardwood or LVP) make it worth the hassle imo.

Just got same for almost $2/sq ft. Installing this week hopefully it lasts us!

I just placed an order to do my entire home with laminate. I was shocked when sales guy started talking about it. This stuff is amazing and nearly half inch thick!!

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Your salesperson was smart. I am a project manager who sets up home installs, helps pick and sell floors, and organizes the jobs for labor or sundry. You buy a good laminate, install it correctly and it will do anything an LVP can do, and in many cases better.

@luccib7225

Жыл бұрын

​@@daleludtke7803 finding a good laminate is the hard part it's so many out there

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

@@luccib7225 there are alot of good laminates out there too. Just avoid the crap they sell at the big box stores. Go find yourself some Revvood Select/Plus/Premium (the premium is gorgeous). Karastan has just released a set of Laminate that is 9.5 wide, and 80 inches long that is steam moppable. Just be sure to ask your sales person who is selling it to you "what makes it water proof/resistant." You want one that adds water resistant materials into the core construction as well.

Your tutorials are really helpful thanks

Got solid 3/4 in 5 inch wide white oak for $2.50 a square the other day! 1000+ sqft godsend on this house restoration!

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Was it stolen? That is a crazy low price.

Very useful explanation 👍🏽thank you!

Hey I'll take either if it's the right price, a jigsaw with a good blade helps the dust on laminate if you cut it over plastic not dust free but not nearly as dusty as circular saw and blades are cheaper if that's a concern

Great vid

A huge problem with the drop in LVP popularity is due to its long period of off gassing and the chemicals used during production. A lot of homeowners are researching vinyl flooring and are choosing healthier more sustainable options for their homes.

@Aeroliten

Жыл бұрын

I got my LVP from the orange box place and it hasn't had any issues with off-gassing

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the LVP. Most SPC core materials have no PVC in them so they don't really outgas. WPC vinyls do however, but those are not as popular as they were. Laminates on the other hand, will outgas more. Which is why you have the two rating systems. Floor Score safe, which tests like 28 different chemicals that make people sick, and is a government rating system. Then Greenguard, which is more of a independent testing system, that tests for more. Greenguard is technically a higher rating, and is usually only found with SPC cored LVPs.

@Roughneck-mm2df

Жыл бұрын

😂 ok

I just installed 12mm lam and the 60 pound dogs cant scratch it so much more durable then real wood or vinyl

@adamradley4407

2 жыл бұрын

We used the 12mm also. It's throughout our basement and second floor. It doesn't dent, ding or scratch. It looks good and is easy to clean and was easy to install with a block and mallet. I personally have no complaints.

@chriscorey3926

8 ай бұрын

Is there a brand you can recommend?

After remodeling a severely water damaged home I made the choice to go with the more expensive vinyl flooring. I could have gotten some great laminate flooring for almost half the cost but I just didn't want to take the risk of moisture getting somewhere it shouldn't be and doing damage.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

If it was a good laminate it wouldn't have caused any issues. When you have floods, it usually your walls that fall you, not the flooring. Water finds the easiest way to go down, which normally means rushing to the walls and then under.

Keep up good work

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

I got a really really good deal on laminated mdf, homedepot had a dark oak life proof laminate on sale i ended up buying 17 24 sqft cases of 8mm for 150 bucks out the door lol, did my whole basement for 300 bucks with underlayment and leveling cement and Jeff's vids

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

nice job!

When you have a house full of unlevel floors vinyl doesn't work very well. Laminate is probably much more sturdy.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

It has more "meat" so it can handle deflection better. You still should be leveling that floor though. The locking mechanism can still fail if there is to much unevenness. Laminates can just handle it better.

Karndean looselay is the best LVP in my experience. Super thick and quiet.

@maryschatz8406

Жыл бұрын

I have a karndean click, select? Drives me crazy, places that sink underfoot, noisy as he'll. Beautiful color but hate walking on it

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Karndean better have the best looselay product. They invented it. The owner is also a massive Star Wars fan, and use the looselay and some nifty bladework to make scribe in mosaics of Darth Vader and Boba Fett in his house. There are a number of great products though, Drop n Done and Flexiplank from XL-Flooring are also great options.

@flickboogers9325

Жыл бұрын

@@maryschatz8406 you have improper subflooring not level... otherwise you shouldn't hear any clicking noise.

Yes but what are some good brands , so many at the big box stores have have a inferior product who's joints that are paper thin and break or don't lock in to said joints or both , same thing goes for vinyl plank flooring. Had to replace some procore brand vinyl plank with ceramic tile flooring because the joints were fragile and wouldn't lock in.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

I will be doing a video soon. Cheers!

Laminate edges absorb water when faucets - drains - sinks - toilets - clothes washers - water heaters leak. It's only a matter of time when it happens. The edges swells and becomes unsightly. A 24 hour protection against spills is unacceptable for a floor which should always be durable above all features.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

If you have a leak like that, eventually you will lose all your floor.

I had laminate that fell apart after 5 years. Floor completely destroyed in the kitchen. Laid down Vinyl 10 years ago. Not one single problem. I will never, ever use laminate again. Vinyl or hardwood. No in-between. LoL

@andreyangere3076

2 жыл бұрын

Laminate in the kitchen? Makes sense why it fell apart lol

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

That is surprising. A good laminate can handle more traffic than a good vinyl, and can take the moisture unless you are dropping buckets of water on it every day.

My flooring that we installed has started to buckle up sort of, where the edges touch. I’m not sure if we hammered them too tightly or if weight distribution is off with the fridge/sofa areas, we even thought we had leveled a crucial part of hallway with self leveling cement but we still have this issue. I’ve been thinking during the warm summer days if they’ll flatten out relatively normal. If not then chip away the risen edges and fill it with epoxy and then color match it to our flooring.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

You probably have some pinch points that are causing the material to bind up. Even with floors that can be run for 40-50ft we sometimes see this near door ways, or if the area has a bunch of walls and is a bit twisty. I won't accuse of a bad install, but most of the time, this is caused by expansion gaps not being protected around doors and corner.

Absolutely agree!!

Vinyl is the best. I laid my basement with it

Can you make a video on replacing a waterproof vinyl that has been damaged Because of water ?

@Aeroliten

Жыл бұрын

Didn't even know vinyl could be damaged by water, can you explain?

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

@@Aeroliten in certain situations, like on a slab the hydrostatic pressure can cause the boards to peak. I work in restoration and see it all the time from fly by night builders who are like, "its water proof, I don't need to spend the 20 cents a square foot for a vapor barrier.: Water proof itself is an incredibly loaded term. Most modern floors (vinyl and laminates) that are quality are functionally waterproof.. once you get to this area, it normally becomes a insurance claim.

Unlike SPC, laminates will still expand and contract causing issues if you don’t use transitions to accommodate those fluctuations.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

Depends on the laminate. Most of the good ones I sell can handle about 40-45 linear feet for runs. Which is fine for about 90% of homes. Just be wary of the pinch points in doors and protect your expansion gaps and you will be fine. SPCs can do better at this. Most still recommend about the same length, but there are some that are almost silly. One of my major suppliers has one that can be ran for 150 feet without transitions.

@msp9810

11 ай бұрын

​@daleludtke7803 i have a hall that is about 55' long that runs right into the den 20x20. I planned to run laminate down the hall and into the den without any transitions. Are you saying i have to have a transitions somewhere?

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

@@msp9810 Depends on the floor. 55' is a pretty long way. My favorite Laminate requires it for anything over 50ft. Karndean and Sono have some LVPs that can be run for like 100ft without a transition. You may not have any issues if you run it another 5ft past its tolerance, but you could also have issues with gaping over time between the boards. But you are installing it outside of warranty. If you are a trade professional you are setting yourself up to being on the hook if a claim is made.

24 hr spill protection? Maybe 24 hrs after it's delivered to your house 🤣 that particle board is gonna drink whatever falls on it and swell up just like the old stuff. The durability and wear coat just dont hold up either, it's worth the small premium for not having to worry about swelling and chipping. 👍

@falsealarmno

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't buy it either.

@rickybobby7276

Жыл бұрын

Not the pergo stuff. Trust me I have 7 pets. It's waterproof.

@nanettegarrett8248

10 ай бұрын

Durability and wear? How does it hold up? I speak from literal experience. Quickstep 10mm laminate in my home for 17+ years and it is bulletproof having suffered the abuse of 6 kids growing up, 2 adults, and 3 cats. Everything happened to these floors including water spills. It’s in the kitchen, dining room, living room, and hallway. It looks like hardwood. That style isn’t manufactured anymore and I want to remove the carpet from other rooms. Since I can’t match our current flooring which still has nothing wrong with it, I will look for new laminate flooring to go through the entire area for cohesion. Oh, there was no advertising back in 2005-6 for “wet protect” and the floors got plenty of that kind of exposure living here in the PNW, and having less than careful kids, not to mention steam mopping it.

@geodesical

10 ай бұрын

@nanettegarrett8248 While the performance of your flooring so far has been above the average for HDF flooring, I am surprised steam mopping hasnt caused any issues. We have had few, but more than one client who ruined a brand new laminate floor by steam mopping it, so we generally recommend against that, as does the manufacturer. I cant argue with personal experience though, I am glad it is working in your situation 👍

Top-down water resistance is only good in a small portion of the country. In places where you have flooding, it is still useless.

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

If you have flooding, its all useless. They will tear the water proof flooring out to get to your subfloor to repair or remediate. Flooding isn't a warranty issue, its an insurance one.

I had Home Depot measure my townhouse for new laminate flooring and I got a call saying I had crowns on my floor - and that my only option was vinyl sheeting or carpet. Anyway around this without ripping up the previous floor and dealing with releveling the floors. It’s not even noticeable.

@chite3111

2 жыл бұрын

I ripped up my old floor and after screwing down the subflooring to remove squeaks, I didn’t have more than an 1/8” dip anywhere. But you might not have the same luck, so I’d have leveling compound on standby if you go that route

@kuehlpho

2 жыл бұрын

@@chite3111 thank you so much, Chad! I’ll look into it

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

crowns mean you have joist with a hump. remove subfloor and plane the joist. laminate with a 2x4 and then close. Cheers no leveler needed. we have a video on this!

The problem currently is all you see in stores (and houses for sale) is that cold, sterile, medicinal gray💀which is a trend that already looks dated. After the past 3 yrs I would think most people want their home to feel “cozy & alive”. Apparently manufacturers & stores have a ton of that gray they are trying to unload. Bring on the warmth or at the least, neutral🙏🏼

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Those stores need to update. Grey started to die out last year hard. Right now the trend is for bright, almost unfinished woods. Norwegian or Swedish style finishes. With a hint of some warmer brown styles creeping around.

@Catlady8

Жыл бұрын

@@daleludtke7803 Exactly, pale blonde tones & midtone browns are what’s in. But the problem is they are trying to unload all those gray floors so people (homeowners & flippers) are still buying the gray & putting it in homes they are listing for sale😳😫

Depends on the application. In a basement, you would want to put vinyl planks because of humidity and possibility of water. I never understood why vinyl was expensive since its practically a plastic material.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

It has to do with the shipping costs coming from the pacific rim.

@optimusprime1634

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I'm getting pergo vinyl in my basement and by the way, I framed my whole basement (window and all) with your help and forever grateful. Can you do a video on retreading old stairs? Im still a bit shy about touching tiles. I wanted to put a backsplash in my kitchen.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

looking for the right location to film this!

@optimusprime1634

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Long story short, the stairs leading to my basement are just the stock tread and thinner. I was debating between getting a skirt board and carpet the stairs or still getting the stair skirt (which I need to learn how to even make), putting some screws to tighten the treads, and then retreading the stairs. This is among the 5 projects lined up this year. I see you are in Ottawa. Do you travel to the states? IF interested let me know. We can exchange information.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Put a vapor barrier down with a quality laminate and you shouldn't have any issues. An LVP can fail in basements too without one.

Yes it has.. I’ve laid a couple of those.. not easier to lay them lvp but very good grade of flooring

You forgot to mention: dust is not an issue with the new guillotine cutters. 😊

Yes, laminate flooring has its advantages. But now more people choose SPC/WPC flooring. Because of the market choice, orders for our laminate flooring factory have shrunk. If the market is willing to reconsider laminate flooring, welcome to Changzhou, Jiangsu, China. Of course, in order to meet the market demand, we also produce vinyl flooring.

If you know how to make your floor super smooth there is still good thin vinyl that will stay together well.

Yup. Just went house shopping and EVERY SINGLE HOUSE that got some sort of remodel had that exact same flooring in it

Recently installed LVP from Home Depot’s line. It’s good enough and it’s way cheaper than anything else on the market (even for DIY) but I don’t see it lasting for more than 5 years. The boxes also only had 4 patterns, with 2 of those 4 being much more common in each box, so it doesn’t even look “natural.” Yeah it has a “lifetime warranty” but that means tearing up your floor and going to HD to get a new box. If I knew then what I know now I would’ve absolutely bought waterproof laminate and called it a day.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

I tell people all the time that the wear layer on a vinyl is not as important as you think. I sell flooring for a very large company in my area of the US. 12 or 20 mils doesn't matter that much. Its the same material. It all scratches the same. The 20 mil will "last longer" because it is thicker, but by then people will have long replaced it for looking terrible. The primary drivers for cost are shipping (since most of this is made in china, vietnam or korea), how thick the material is (the core), and the fix and finish. The Fix and Finish is how many scans (images) there are, and embossing. Which is further broken down by if its embossed or not, or if the embossing is registered. 4-5 is usually what you would find for bottom barrel value floors. 8-12 would be considered "standard". My favorite has 23, with large planks... means you are running like 80 square feet without a repeat. To one that I sell that has no pattern repeat. They run the images through a photoshop scrambler. The images of the knots and stuff may be the same, but they won't appear on the same place on a different plank. Embossing is the textured feel. Registered embossing is when that textured feel actually matches the image underneath it. This goes for LVP and Laminate.

Sound doesn’t sound right on videos. 2nd short I stumbled across. It has a maxed-out-yet-muffled tone to it - like I’m covering my speaker. Just FYI

Great tips but I do demolition for a restoration company There's nothing water can't get into and destroy it

@dwaynemartin8256

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely true. I believe he said it was resistant to spills, not waterproof.

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

I sell products to like four or five different restoration companies, and help their clients make selections. They will come in and ask for vinyl because they need something waterproof, and I will ask them what they had in before. "Ma'am, that tile you had before was 'waterproof'... they still had to tear it out to get to the subfloor." I tell them waterproof is a loaded term, and what you need is something that is functionally waterproof. Which means good for "living on." Stuff like spills, tracked water, etc.

As a person that has sold flooring for 36yrs laminate will never be water or pet proof! Its still a pretty picture printed on cardboard! You get what you pay for. Luxury vinyl is truly waterproof. Just don't buy the 1.99sf crap.. Note 99% of the laminate is also made over seas!

laminates making a comeback? here in the UK its been the go to choice for flooring in kitchens for over 10 years, vinyl is lesser desired floor

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Robbie. Appreciate that!

I've even considered doing vinyl/laminate sheet (roll?) in my basement bathroom. It's cheap, easy, and seems to be one of the best when it comes to water protection. Vinyl plank is just so expensive right now and imo, doesn't really look any better

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

I am still a big fan of vinyl sheet loose lay in a bathroom. Best performing floor ever!

@daleludtke7803

11 ай бұрын

That very much depends on the sheet Vinyl you are purchasing. Stuff like Mannington Platinum, or Airstep from Congoleum can cost 3+ bucks a square foot. Your biggest advantage with these is that they are considered loose lay Sheet Vinyl's and you can get away with perimeter gluing with a pressure sensitive adhesive. They are heavy enough, and fiberglass backed so they would bunch up or lift.

@NathanMichalik

11 ай бұрын

@@daleludtke7803 I ended up using "scrap" from home depot. It was like $20 for a 6x8 sheet. I did have to glue it all down which was harder than I expected but results were great for under $50.

Great video. Do you have a brand recommendation for laminate ?

@daleludtke7803

Жыл бұрын

Mohawk Revwood. Its my go-to for Laminate. Their plus and premier (which is gorgeous), are functionally waterproof, you can steam mop them and if installed right can do anything that an LVP can do... while offering superior scratch and wear protection.

Things are crazy I have a dirt floor now

I recommend to use the proper dustless cutting saw I use it on most of everything vinyl. Laminate and real hardwood.

We opted for laminate in our living room, the price difference was very noticeable. It's had spills, heavy objects dropped on it and two cats scarpering around like maniacs and you wouldn't know it. Definitely worth a look. It was a 6th of the price of engineered hardwood as well.

@rodgerq

Жыл бұрын

And if you have a laminate cutter, no dust. Much quicker and more accurate.

@curlygurlxo

Жыл бұрын

What brand?

They still need some sort of cushion underneath though , they are easy to work but they ain’t the best

I installed laminate and have a huge dog (100lbs) who laps water all over the floor and drools and is a mess generally. He's also got long nails and runs around. No damage yet, 6 months in. Seems like a good product.

Thank you for texting me something new!!

Much cleaner job for the worker... here in France also pvc flooring already has underlay attached to the bottom ... french do know how to make life easy 😅

i didn't know it went away. i still want it, but i think i can stain concrete for less. if it looks like crap, i can always put laminate over it later. anything but carpet

The key here is for small spills... People think it is water proof but the way it's installed water can get out and around thru gaps at the walls and cabinets and toilets ... Etc ... If you flood it with a gallon or more ...like a pipe leak. .. your just as screwed cause you will have liquid going into the subfloor or through to the ceiling drywall below ... It's still crap ....

Yeah I did my vinyl floor 1 year ago and almost every end joint moves a little when you step on the joint. You can not put any sort of sound proofing under it because it is to much movement for the skinny connections

The “laminate” or hybrid flooring you recommended doesn’t hold up well. They pull apart at the tongues all the time. Plastic all the way through is the move and only buy 7mm or thicker. Spend the money or replace your cheaper version in 2 years.

A friend of mine has laminate in an office he's renting out, says it would expand and contract a ton with the humidity

Anyone else getting mono-speaker on mobile (only for Home RenoVision) as of this short? All previous ones are fine

@andrewd5482

Жыл бұрын

Same issue for me. I've had the same issues with shorts from other channels too. Not sure why this is the case.

I got two boxes. 😐🙄 Each box has six or eight in one. I have to go check. I opened it and realized we had a problem. Lol The boxes are so heavy that I would've thought it was fine. Heavy doesn't mean quantity. I like them though. I thought the flooring was pretty. I bought both boxes off a someone who didn't need them. They gave me a chance to check them out first. I didn't pay attention to number of them. I remember hearing something about "being able to buy more at ......." 😂 My husband stared at me real funny. Then he said, "I will use them in my travel trailer if you can't get more. That was the first of many mistakes.

24 hour coverage is pretty useless. Where you find laminate failures are typically at noticed leak points ie refrigerator, freezer, water heater, etc. so unless you notice the leak in 24 hours. You are still screwed.

I'm looking for flooring now! What laminate floor is that? It is even the color I am looking for!

Shipping costs have come WAY down since this video was made.

There are more waterproof laminate products now. Even the locking joints have waterproof coating unlike before. Now you get a much thicker waterproof product than thin vinyl. Main problem with LVP is that your subfloor must be perfect or you will feel the unevenness of the floor.

With Both products not all of them are created equal. The 2 more important aspects for vinyl is the locking mechanism and wear layer but people focus on the overall thickness which not that relevant, get a version that locks on long and short end. If a sales person can’t tell you the wear layer RUN. I don’t use any vinyl that is less than 20MIL (0.508m) wear layer. Don’t buy at box stores or discount flooring stores. Torly’s is my go to and I’ve seen Jeff use it 😃👍

@HomeRenoVisionDIY

2 жыл бұрын

Torley's is a very impressive flooring. a little out of many folks budget unfortunately!

The good news channel.

Yep one of my joints have broke because i have terrible floor boards and a bouncy floor

Been an installer for quite some time now and I have to say I trust this flooring the least when it comes to lifespan and reliability when your foundation shifts. Have had to replace wayy to many boards of this stuff to trust it or love it unfortunately. Vinyl is the way to go in my opinion and people can argue the scratches are harder to hide but that’s why you should lean towards more of a busy looking pattern in the flooring print. But you do have the “it’s a budget option” correct completely. Unless you love redoing your flooring every few years I would definitely lean towards vinyl from my experience. You will also get a wayyy better warranty with it.

@nanettegarrett8248

10 ай бұрын

Interesting. I’ve had a Quickstep 10mm laminate in my home for the last 17+ years and the stuff is bulletproof. It was abused by 6 kids, 2 adults, and 3 cats. People think it’s hardwood. It is in the living room, dining room, hallway, and kitchen. And when I say abused, it’s seriously taken a beating and still looks great! I don’t know why a foundation would shift as I live in an older, normal SFR on a flat lot. I suppose there are homes that are prone to that type of issue and that should be a consideration for flooring type. I did a ton of research all those years ago when looking for the perfect laminate flooring and I’ve never regretted my choice. Truly amazing stuff. I’m ready to change the look of my floors (and get rid of the carpeted areas) and I’m researching again. Yes, LVP does scratch more easily and it seems to be more expensive than laminate when you step up in quality. I can’t afford hardwood floors. I know it’s not popular, but I’m a fan of sheet vinyl in bathrooms which is warm underfoot and nearly worry free where water is concerned - think toilet overflow, etc!