I attended a parochial school starting in 1931. At around 7 or 8 I began to doubt the bible stories.My parents took us kids to the Pittsburgh zoo. I could plainly see that the Ark story was just that, a story. Also I recall that the story of Abraham struck me as ridiculous. But I didn't really split from the church until my Navy days in the Pacific in WW 2. I'm a bookworm & our ship was low on books. So I read the bible. That cured me. Never did reunite with mother church. I'm at peace with my disbelief. Been 'ready to go' for over 5 years now. To rejoin the stardust from which all life forms emanate wherever life exists. How about you ?-

@wmthewyld

8 жыл бұрын

+Bill Walker I don't believe a single word you wrote. You are so full of crap, your eyes are brown.

@billwalkerable

8 жыл бұрын

+Idiot atheist You would be stunned if you could plumb the depths of the indifference with which I view your opinions.

@wmthewyld

8 жыл бұрын

Bill Walker Like I care! HA HA HA HA AH HA HA

@sagerider2

8 жыл бұрын

+Bill Walker I too lost faith after reading the bible.

@LMFAOdudeification

8 жыл бұрын

+Bill Walker Damn, you're old... Cool story, though.

When people are defending the supposed "historical" existence of jesus they are really only defending the brand name of jesus and the agenda that it represents.

@gregorykrajeski6255

5 жыл бұрын

I think the acceptance of the idea that Jesus never existed is relatively new. I remember atheist school teachers who didn't believe in Christianity at all claiming that it was irrefutable that Jesus existed or that the evidence for Jesus existing was as strong as for any other figure in history and far stronger than that for Homer or Socrates. At least I had atheist teachers.

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

people who say such things are what we call "fundy atheists." what "agenda"? So atheist scholars are trying to somehow prop up the theological concerns of the Catholic (or Protestant or Orthodox) churches? Look at someone like Bart Ehrman, how is he having best selling books where he denounces, rejects, and does his best to "debunk" all of the cherished traditional Christian beliefs... that somehow means by his saying Jesus at existed... that's because he's a dishonest plant bribed to lie for religion? That makes no sense. and he's not alone. there are legions of non-Christian scholars in academia. but because TWO guys (a retired comic book fan and a perpetually unemployed blogger) disagree, suddenly historical Jesus research is "in crises" and they're declaring victory? THAT my friend, is the fairy tale here. Besides, even if you somehow thought Jesus was the most evil man in history and everything he said and did has lead to misery and made the world worse off... would that mean we could declare he didn't exist? First off, doing so wouldn't make it so, second, that would be a lie. Look at someone like Karl Marx, or Muhammad... do we care so little about truth and are so driven by ideology that we would honestly consider erasing them from history to somehow make up for the harm that's been done in their name? so spare me this broken line of argument. facts don't care about your feelings, OR the political implications. historyforatheists.com

@gregorykrajeski6255

5 жыл бұрын

@@HeroQuestFans Actually, I think the evidence for the existence of Muhammad is even sketchier than the evidence for Jesus. Some Jesus Never Existed folks just say that Muhammad existed because they have never looked into it. As to Marx, that is different.

@gregorykrajeski6255

5 жыл бұрын

@@HeroQuestFans That's a cute website, bless it's heart. It would be great if it were written by someone who understood science.

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

@@gregorykrajeski6255 hey, we've got a live one here! So you are consistent in rejecting history when it comes to religious founders. so other than Robert Spencer (who is not a historical scholar), who says Muhammad wasn't historical? How is Marx "different"? The same arguments made to support Mythicism can be used to justify Marx Mythicism. communism needed a sagely founder to justify all of the evil things they did for a century and they all read him differently. oh but because he lived in the modern period, things like photographs and handwriting can't be faked... I see. but you forget.. he's a figure we don't like, he set things in motion we disagree with a century or more later... so why not declare him myth, legend? If I pick a figure from antiquity that was worshiped as a miraculous god and say "Caesar" you'll say he was real because of the buildings and coins and statues (as if mythical gods can't have these things).

He wasn’t born on 25 December and no date is given anywhere. It was impossible for the Magi and shepherds to have been there on the same night e.g. the Magi followed a star that only appeared upon his birth. The two gospel accounts of his birth conflict - how? The only witnesses were his parents. Who delivered him? The Basilica of the Nativity was apparently built on the site of the stable. How did they know over 35 years later, where he was born? It would have been developed. Downstairs you can kiss the exact spot where was born……how can they prove that?! The four Gospels were not written by the names given to them and written forty or fifty years after his supposed death. Why take so long to record such a famous person? Emperor Constantine created Christianity by issuing an Edict of Milan in 313 and proclaimed himself to be one. It was created to subdue great civil unrest to give the Jews somebody to believe in. There are other examples of the story we are given that just don’t make sense.

Protip for Window's 10 users: Hit the window key - type 'mono' click the result 'turn mono audio on or off' - the next window that pops up, tick the option to on under 'Mono audio'.

@cjj3229

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!

i was a christian, so i understand how it feels to be real passionate about jesus. but without proof you don't have a case, belief is not knowledge

@tochterzionjerusalem227

7 жыл бұрын

The One who get the Name of God are alought to Build him a HOUSE OF GOD IN JERUSALEM. "The Deadones should burry theey Deadones and the Livingones stay together with the The livingones so that all out of Israel get Salvation. " The LORD JESUS CHRIST, 2006. Words of Life and Peace. And the God who made HEAVEN and EARTH has given me HIS My Nw Name. Aiwa- Right and Justice in Heaven and on Earth. Chairs of Justize are STANDING in JERUSALEM. The TOWN of GOD wearing MY Name. The Town of the Chairs of King Davids House. ( Not the Chairs of the Son of God. Not the Chairs of God. ) Where is there a Town of God Jerusalem on Earth? "NOW i,ve seen it with my own Eys. You should not dring the Cup anymore. I gonna give it too YOUR ENEMIES. At the END Babylon. But Start with Jerusalem. ONE HOUSE OF GOD ON THE WHOLE EARTH. ONE TEMPLE TOO JERUSALEM. WHO ARE THE ENIMIES OF ZION- JERUSALEM. Its a false Worship of God to give your life into Dead for Someone else Sins. The Lord will let free the Capitivity of ZIon. ALL OUT OF ISRAEL. ALL who stay in the Commands of Zion. All Nations have too come too Zion too learn the Commands of Zion. Ten Commands. The Commands of Peace and Freedom. DONT LIE. Every Sunday a New Word of God. All we will see who has the Word of God and stay alive. Who ís the Wife of GOD. The Daughter Jerusalem-.The Daughter Zion. So, God have too deside ONES and for ever who is HIS Sons. Born by HIS Maid Maria? Or Born by One of His Wifes wearing his Name. All Eyes will see when The Lord return too Zion. I,m in Austria. Who is the Son of Abraham. The Slave Born one? Or the One Born by the Woman Sarah? Where is the Temple of God that Jesus Christ gonna build in 3 Days? This is the Word of GOD. I Promise you. You shall get your King David. Why? Where are the Apostel of Jesus Christ too say ONE SENTENCE TO HIS FOLLOWERS, ALL CHRISTS, ALL LAWLESS? Why he come too Me the MURDERING TOWN Jerusalem? Remember 2000 Years ago? Tell the Daughter Zion : YOUR KING COME TOO YOU. After that He was killed, cause he Didnt has SOMEONE STANDING BEHIND HIM. 2000 Years ago and NOW again. since 2006. Believe what you wanna believe. You can try it YOURSELF. 3. Buch Mose. The Law too call the God of Israel. The Law Mose always use. For the Ones who follow the Commands of Zion. All Blessings are Send too Zion. Anyway we are at Psalm 2 since 2006. In None of all Houses of God on the Whole Earth the HOLY SPIRIT HAS NOTHING TOO SAY. One Sentence of the Son of God. All Nation have too go back into they own Contries and prepare for WAR against Mount Zion. One Earth-One King -One God-My God. All Tribes of Israel are Save. All Tribes of Israel are blessed out of Zion in the Name of the Lord Lord Zebaoth, the God of Israel I,m wearing. I bounded the Satan 2005/2006 with the Strenght and Power of Zion for 1000 year. I hunt Nebukadfnezar, the King of babel with Peace into Hell. I fight against Hell and I win. Hell is on my Right Side. All enimies of Zion gonna die. And all killed by the Daughter Zion never get a live again. But go too the Pope, or the Chefapostel or whatever. God is SURELY SPEAKING TOO THEM. All men are Born in Zion the Mother of the Nations. No . All Men are Born By Abraham the Father of the Nations. The Son of God should Heritage His Fathers Throne King David. ? No cause ist a False Worship of God too give your Life into Dead for someone else Sin. Any way where are HIS FOLLOWERS. WHO Can say One Sentence of God? Nowhere too find. Revelation: Yes you have proof them all and find out that they are NOT APOSTEL .Mehr anzeigen (131 Zeilen)

@bingbong4019

7 жыл бұрын

+Bananamana For you Not believing in Jesus or a God is not "believing in nothing." Fool.

@romeofrazer4188

7 жыл бұрын

anyone who reads the bible and understands it cannot believe in the god it speaks about

@dozzio

7 жыл бұрын

+Tochter Zion Jerusalem you copy and paste too much.

@hephopa6573

7 жыл бұрын

Romeo. Indeed belief is belief, not knowledge :-) Religion is about belief and research of the question of "why". If you want to know "how" than it is science.

I got kicked out of Sunday school classes for asking questions that the instructor Sis. Gibson couldnt answer. "Go sit in the hall...youre disrupting the class."

@sammifruitbat

4 жыл бұрын

these teachers should be ready to ansewer tough questions, r u sure you weren't just being a smart ass? if not than sorry that happened to you trhat isn't fair.

@henrywallacesghost5883

4 жыл бұрын

Just be glad you didn't get beaten like I was😁

@jeffamburgey6999

3 жыл бұрын

@@comedicsketches 7

@mytwocents848

3 жыл бұрын

Me, too!

@jonathanclarke281

3 жыл бұрын

Was she cute? Probably not. Most sisters are butt ugly that's why they join the nunnery lol

I went to Catholic schools from first grade to Graduate School. I began to doubt the things that the nuns taught because I witnessed the exact opposite of what they were teaching by watching their behavior towards others. I sincerely felt sorry for Jesus having to be crucified for our sins by the will of his own father. I also felt incredibly sorry that he had so many nasty, arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious brides of Christ. 🤨🤦‍♀️😱😡

@boopbeepbop154

Жыл бұрын

While it is sad, Catholics, at least from my experience, don't teach that His execution was a bad thing. It was actually an amazing thing. We should rejoice. He sacrificed Himself for us.

@thegentlelivingchannel

8 ай бұрын

​@@boopbeepbop154no need for that as he didn't exist

@user-zy3zd3sx2d

6 ай бұрын

Dying an excruciating death on a crucifix is NOT reason to rejoice. Even Jesus asked God Why did you forsake me? Holocaust victims lost faith too. They were forsaken.

@michaelwhittierpearson

6 ай бұрын

Because, as Aztecs, we believe it's necessary?@@boopbeepbop154

@deocyasol9406

5 ай бұрын

Jesus existed and probably still existed on Earth as a "human in disguised". You these Atheists PHDs are looking for Jesus in history books. Of course he is not in those history books that chronicled about the activities of Empires and Kingdoms.How you come across in history books narrating the Kings and Queens, Emperors and Emperors going to their temple to pray? No! because those historians don't gave a hoot about religions activities specially those outside the realm of the Sovereigns. Why do you think there is a separate of State and Church (religion) today? But in the Bible, which is also a history Book, right? is full of Jesus telling the people what he did and did not do. @@thegentlelivingchannel

I was 10 when I was made to go into catechism. Despite the fact my grandfather and mother are atheists, my grandmother wasn’t and she forced me to go because it would be a shame if I didn’t go. I recall asking in classes to the priest if adam and eve had their bellybuttons, since they were made from clay and a rib, instead of being born. The priest was so angry he demanded to see my parents. Granny arrived and pleaded him for me to not be thrown out of catechism. Needless to say, once I was done with it, I decided to never go to church anymore. Shortly after I no longer believed any god and by 12 in school I became fascinated with science, then biology, I even wanted to become a scientist at some point, but life sometimes go in other pathways and thus I became an MD. Thanks1, Catholic Church, for not answering my doubts and just forcing me to swallow your truth. I’d never be who I am today if it wasn’t for the bigotry and lies of the church. Atheist, thanks God

@BradWatsonMiami

3 жыл бұрын

I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com .

@ericephemetherson3964

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradWatsonMiami Don't mix science with religion.

@ericephemetherson3964

2 жыл бұрын

I used ask: what language did god speak to Adam and Eve?

@BradWatsonMiami

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericephemetherson3964 Wrong, everything is connected. Einstein famously said, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." 2/18/22 is your Judgment Day: you FAIL.

@ericephemetherson3964

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradWatsonMiami Wrong? What did I state wrong? Can you reiterate my wrong statement because I don't know what you are referring to?

If Jesus didn't exist, then who's been mowing my lawn for the past 3 years? In your face, atheists!

@tonalnahual1

4 жыл бұрын

Holy Ghostbuster. Jajajajaja

@mindmesh7566

4 жыл бұрын

It was Man-Bear-Pig you oaf!!! I’m soooooooo cereal!!!!!

@blackatheistmillionaire1636

4 жыл бұрын

Well played my friend,well played.🤔

@mindmesh7566

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Kennedy …I am so…soooo……SO CEREAL!!!…😂🤣🤣🔥🤘✌️😎

@cheezenip2737

4 жыл бұрын

Well if Jesus did exist he's probably dead by now so....

I am an historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history....H.G. Wells

@troy3456789

Жыл бұрын

H.G. Wells simply didn't or wasn't able to look deep enough beneath the vail of lies.

@user-uo7fw5bo1o

2 ай бұрын

H.G. Wells lived at a time when the lack of an historical Jesus was simply inconceivable. IIRC Jesus mythicism started in the early 20th Century.

@ashberka4226

16 күн бұрын

If you live in the bubble

@ernestschultz5065

2 күн бұрын

H.G. Wells should have used his time machine to find out.

"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.", Benjamin Franklin

By that logic Santa and the Easter Bunny don't really exist either! Nor leprechauns, fairies and unicorns.

Thanks Richard. Very informative.

Uploading a video with sound in only one channel should be illegal

@MarshallArtz007

3 ай бұрын

Much more bearable without headphones 🎧.

Why is the audio fucked?

KZread needs a "Mono/Stereo" audio switch... (EDIT: If on Windows, go to Sound Settings and switch to Mono audio)

Thanks for uploading, but the video is very poor quality. If you still have got the original, please re up in Mono because I'm getting deaf on one ear here.

what amazes me, is one thousand people dislike this video. that's one thousand people that watched this video. heard and seen the evidence and the resources. they heard and seen the facts that stand and the history of the facts and where they come from. and that one thousand people refuse it. and chose to continue on. WOW.

@faithfail7580

8 жыл бұрын

+jaimel hill I bet a lot didn't even watch the whole thing, and simply trolled youtube and give thumbs down based on video titles. But yeah, if a semi-intelligent person sat through this whole video and still disliked it, there's no hope for them.

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep

8 жыл бұрын

+Jaimel Hill The "facts" are comical.

@verstraetenandre

8 жыл бұрын

+Jaimel Hill indoctrination is powerful...........

@innerfire2179

5 жыл бұрын

There are literally millions of mindless of people that will not change their minds no matter how much evidence exists. They dislike anything that doesn't agree with the stories they've been clinging to since childhood.

@XwpisONOMA

5 жыл бұрын

These were not facts but the "expert" opinions of mostly Jewish"scholars" or their servants on a mission to destroy Christianity. I btw have no problem whether Jesus existed or not. But I take exception with the objectivity of such "facts".

Thank you for sharing this video!

Just curious...has Carrier ever written peer-reviewed articles on this subject? If so, citations?

@granthurlburt4062

6 ай бұрын

You can look this up, you know.

@tommcmahan

6 ай бұрын

@@granthurlburt4062 Sure, if Google Scholar references ALL professional journal articles everywhere, which I'm sure it probably doesn't. I didn't find any there, so I was wondering if anyone else knew of any?

@MarshallArtz007

3 ай бұрын

@@tommcmahan: Wikipedia has a long entry on Richard Carrier. It’s a good place to start.

@tommcmahan

3 ай бұрын

@@MarshallArtz007 Sure, and I did look there and...there's no reference to any peer-reviewed article on the topic of Jesus' existence.

@tommcmahan

3 ай бұрын

@@MarshallArtz007 And, just to be clear, I'm not saying he's not credentialed, I'm not saying he hasn't written anything that's peer reviewed...he is and he has. He's written blog posts, apparently one book, talks a lot about Bayes Theorem, which isn't how history works but ok...in short, he writes a lot of stuff, is always contrarian, but I haven't seen a reference to any of his works specifically on this topic being in a peer-reviewed journal of early Christian scholars.

It's important to distinguish between 'Jesus' as laid out in the biblical texts (a story that is obviously utter nonsense) and the idea of a man who existed around that time, with that name, who was crucified. I think Dr. Carrier raised some very excellent points there. The fact there was already a celestial figure named Jesus before Christianity is very interesting indeed.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

The fact there was already a celestial figure named Jesus before Christianity is not to the point if Jesus was a historical person or not, Jesus was a popular name at the time and surley Jesus was a historical figure.

@bladewed

10 жыл бұрын

Filip Weekx I think the point was that the celestial figure called Jesus was prophesied to come to earth and do lot of the things the bible tells us Jesus did. This makes the biblical account of his life (or his having lived at all) far less likely to true. The fact so many other prophet's/religious figures performed strikingly similar actions and led similar (and also prophesied) life's adds even more weight to that hypothesis. Regardless of all that, I remain unconvinced that the actual 'Jesus' was a complete invention, but I think the theory does have a lot of plausibility to it. What I've taken from all this is the following- If you want to be accepted as a prophesied figure you'd make certain you perform the actions expected of that figure. We know that most of the 'miracles' he performed are easily reproducible parlour tricks, so it wouldn't be hard. It never crossed my mind that he might have essentially been following a script; by doing what he was already predicted to do. The world's most successful actor/magician, playing to it's dumbest and most uneducated audience.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

The Christ myth theory (also known as the Jesus myth theory or Jesus mythicism) is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed but was invented by the Christian community.The idea was first put forward in the late 18th century and developed and popularised in the 19th by Bruno Bauer.So it were the Christians itself that came up with it. I think you 're right to say that Jesus is a historical person because also at the 19th century, at the start of the Industrial Revolution there was a big debate if Jesus was a historical person or not and the conclusion was in favor for the historical Jesus.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

bladewed The Christ myth theory (also known as the Jesus myth theory or Jesus mythicism) is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed but was invented by the Christian community.The idea was first put forward in the late 18th century and developed and popularised in the 19th by Bruno Bauer.So it were the Christians itself that came up with it. I think you 're right to say that Jesus is a historical person because also at the 19th century, at the start of the Industrial Revolution there was a big debate if Jesus was a historical person or not and the conclusion was in favor for the historical Jesus.

@IslandMystic111

10 жыл бұрын

+bladewed, "Very Interesting Indeed" is how these atheists train to take these positions just to Attempt to discredit Christ; Francesca is another one!. YESHUA is HIS name, it's HEBREW, as He was, It means Salvation, in the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC Text as well.His Name was CHANGED to the GREEK name "JESUS."

I went to Christian indoctrination schools from about 3 to about 6 years old. I did little Jesus projects and all. I think that I once believed in Jesus. But I was 100% atheist by the time I was 9 and I can't recall any time when I changed my mind.

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

Well that wasn't my experience When I was young my ss was very historical and practical it saved me later from getting into a lot of trouble and pain which I saw many I knew end up really messed up. Some even dead.

@VaticansHolocaust

4 жыл бұрын

Gregory Krajeski If haven’t changed your mind since you were nine years old, then you definitely still have the mind of a nine year old.

@wanderingandroid

4 жыл бұрын

Oh shut the fuck up nerd. You did no such thing at nine years old. You were probably more concerned where you lost your toy.

@lzl4226

6 ай бұрын

I went to a Christian school but I was atheist the whole time. I actually did really well in bible class, but that was probably because I could memorize stuff better than most other students. I don't think my bible teacher even realized I was atheist until one day I went into a debate with him over evolution. He tried very hard to convert me after that, but obviously he was way too optimistic. Nice guy though.

@samhavoc1066

6 ай бұрын

@@VaticansHolocaust Well aren't you just so clever...

Sent to Sunday school at 5 years old, no choice as none of us do at that age but by the time I was 9 I was getting frozen out by Sunday school teachers who wouldn’t or couldn’t answer my few simple questions. I went along with the stories as all children do until I was 12 and began with modern history at school and the subject was on Concentration camps and everything that had gone on in them and the millions of people who died. I continuously asked questions and looked for explanations on the horror but no one was prepared to listen to what a 12 year old brat needed to know. It was then I began to resist going to church, how could this God all knowing and loving allow that to happen whose son Jesus , we were told was King of the Jews.....still waiting for answers at 71. 😢

@Wolf-hh4rv

6 ай бұрын

Same experience with my parents. Why didJesus let this wonderful person get murdered? Why didn’t I get the fishing rod I prayed for? But hey we just don’t know, is existence an accident. Who created God? I listened to this guy who said some things are not created, they always existed and will always. Ok shut up now that’s enough from me.

@nexstory

6 ай бұрын

We are storytellers by nature. That is a function of the mind to use imagination as a means of making sense of the vast universe in which we live. Stories can serve as metaphors for understanding ourselves and world. Many of our stories have archetypal characters to represent the sum of who we imagine and/or desire ourselves to be. These archetypes as Sage, Scholar, Warrior, King, Lover, and so forth, are quintessential qualities that we seek to embody, and as such, we often travel far and wide to find a mentor who fits the description of what we are consciously or subconsciously looking to discover about ourselves. That is how the guru/disciple; teacher/student, coach/player, etc. relationships begin. Oftentimes, these relationships are based on fiction made to appear real through consensus and, over time, become our core beliefs. These core beliefs serve many functions, and not the least, to establish a moral basis for communities to prosper and to grow. At some point, it inevitably falls apart, and we make up stories about devils, and angles, good and evil, heaven and hell, and it is here where we either dive completely in or otherwise walk away as yet another set of measurable beliefs called science and technology take hold. Still, no matter the strength of our prayers, an asteroid or nuclear weapon will blow all our made-up stories to kingdom come. The narrative ends with, only those who share my core belief will be saved. When the here and now is not enough, the hereafter becomes the better game.

@johngodley256

6 ай бұрын

Church leaders do not have reasonable explanations, only diversions.

@hazelpearson7807

5 ай бұрын

@@nexstory still no answer ...a word salad of views expressed by others before

@nexstory

5 ай бұрын

Glad O could be of help.@@hazelpearson7807

Perception governs reality. Believers can not perceive the reality that exists for non-believers. They have a filter that inhibits it. Their faith based reality is as equally real to them as the rational world is to non-believers. My solution is to leave them alone if they leave me alone.

Thanks for uploading this! If Richard had a podcast or channel I would listen/watch daily!

@w.t.fpipedreamwithhopefull5538

4 жыл бұрын

He hardly ever posts on youtube kzread.info/dron/bAJho2pD8QcizpGq2wMijg.html

@Hoireabard

4 жыл бұрын

Please get to the point! My God. This guy just talks and never makes a point. He’s as bad as Peterson.

@w.t.fpipedreamwithhopefull5538

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hoireabard I think you will find it the most logical of all the Jesus never existed Scholars. One video I would semi-agree but that about Peter and Luke.

@davidjm3928

3 жыл бұрын

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@richardhowe5583

3 жыл бұрын

Why don't you do your own research and make your own podcast and be truthful..

I challenge any religious person to explain why the god you learned to believe in is any more real than all the other gods you never learned to believe in.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

Most of us "religious" people don't care if you believe or not.

@MrPatrickKelly

9 жыл бұрын

wmthewyld Of course you don't. And you also don't care if what you believe is true so long as it makes you feel good. That's the immorality and dishonesty that makes you who you are and makes you able to pretend that you are a special being among countless other not so special beings. How convenient for you. Well I say you are nothing more or less than a modern savage not unlike those who put plates in their lower lips and dance around sacrificial fires. You are the witch burners, the devil worshipers, and the mental zombies who are an embarrassment not only to yourself, but to the entire human race. Shame on you for being so weakminded and intentionally ignorant. Oh and buy the way... You obviously could not find a rational answer to my question that could in any way validate your delusional big daddy in the sky. I rest my case and what makes you think anyone cares whether you care?

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

Pat Kelly please have yourself checked, you seem to be a syphilitic idiot. Everyone one wants to feel good, that's why drugs are so popular. Your stupidity amazes me, here I say it's OK to believe in what you want or don't want to believe in and you say that's immoral and dishonest? If you believe Jesus is a myth, prove it. Show me the writings of 1 Roman historian that states Jesus is a myth.

@MrPatrickKelly

9 жыл бұрын

wmthewyld You my friend are the blithering idiot for suggesting that I should attempt to prove something or someone doesn't exist. If you had any brains you would know that you cannot prove a negative though I am sure you think this makes your position somehow more valid than mine. Dream on savage. You suggest that I should have myself checked out because I don't pray to imaginary spirits??? That's like being called crazy by someone behind the bars of a third story window as you drive out the gate of an insane asylum. You're the delusional one my friend not me. If you can look yourself in the mirror with a straight face while you tell yourself that someone is listening to all your prayers, then we need to have a serious talk about a bridge that just went on sale. Is Jesus a myth? Who knows and who cares. Is Jesus the son of god? Sure if you can only figure out which god or gods ranging from Zeus to Allah. If you can't answer the simple question I posed then stop wasting both our times with your poor attempts to defend something that is indefensible. Prove your god is real or stop being so incensed when others point out your stupidity and ignorance.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

Pat Kelly 1. "If you can't answer the simple question I posed " what question was that? 2. If Jesus is a myth, prove it. Show me the writings of a Roman historian that states Jesus is a myth. Here is proof from a Roman historian that Jesus did exist: And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus... Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned. 3. "You suggest that I should have myself checked out because I don't pray to imaginary spirits" you should have yourself checked out because of inane babbling. 4 I don't care if you don't believe. Why should I prove any god is real to you?

Dr Carrier is much more polished in his presentation 10 years later. I lean toward mythicism based on the Gospels having a political agenda from beginning to end. The texts we have that mention James the Brother of the Lord are the only evidence I see for a possible historical Jesus. There doesn't seem to be any way to prove either possibility.

Does anyone have an online link to quotations of where Philo of Alexandria talks about a pre-existing Judaic deity named Jesus? This was the most explosive claim to me, and I wanted to look it up. Perhaps my googling skills are failing me, but I can't find a solid source on this. Quoting another skeptical book as he does isn't super-impressive. I don't want to start repeating this fact until I can source it better.

@patbickmonty6900

3 ай бұрын

You will not find any quote from Philo using the name Jesus. However there is a possible allusion to him. Here is the explanation: In Philo's work 'On The Confusion of Tongues' he quotes a text that says "Behold, A man who's name is ‘Rises’." Philo is clearly referencing Zechariah 6:12. The name ‘Rises’ is written in Hebrew as ‘Semah’, meaning ‘growth’ or ‘shoot’ on the risen part of the tree, although usually translated into English as ‘Branch.’ Philo was using a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures called the Septuagint, which translated ‘Semah’ as ‘Anatole’ (Aνατολὴ), which was very commonly used by Greek-speakers to mean ‘rise,’ ‘sunrise’ or ‘the East.’ The surrounding verses in Zechariah 6 are about Joshua ben Jehozadak, whose name is transliterated from the Hebrew 'Yeshua" into the Septuagint as 'Iesous' (the Greek name for Jesus as written in the New Testament); and of this Jesus guy the verses say "...make a crown, and set it on the head of Jesus, the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. And say to him: 'Behold, a man whose name is Rises: for he shall branch out from this place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord. It is he who shall build the temple of the Lord and shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the council of peace shall be between them...'" This Jesus guy sounds quite messianic. He will rebuild the house of God, be the king and priest of the jews in the messianic age, and oversee peace. Philo gives further commentary on this figure: "A very novel appellation indeed, if you consider it as spoken of a man who is compounded of body and soul; but if you look upon it as applied to that incorporeal being who in no respect differs from the divine image, you will then agree that the name of ‘Rise’ has been given to him with great felicity. For the Father of the universe has caused him to spring up as the eldest son, whom, in another passage, he calls the firstborn; and he who is thus born, imitating the ways of his father, has formed such and such species, looking to his archetypal patterns." In the same book, Philo says even if no one is “worthy to be called a Son of God,” we should still “labor earnestly to be adorned according to his firstborn Logos, the eldest of his angels, the ruling archangel of many names;” and notably Jesus is also called the firstborn Logos, and Christians were also called upon to try and emulate him and adorn themselves like him. Elsewhere Philo adds “there are two Temples of God, and one is this cosmos, wherein the High Priest is the Firstborn Son, the Divine Logos.” Compare these remarks with Colossians 1:12-20, Hebrews 1:1-14 and Hebrews 4:14, and the connections are obvious. Likewise with Zechariah 6:11-13, which not only says Jesus will “build the temple of the Lord,” but “he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne, and he shall be a priest upon his throne.” So in summary, Philo, the philosopher who is notable for combing the Greek Logos (the premise of "The Word" in the Gospel of John) with the Jewish Theological tradition, hears about this messianic king/high priest Jesus in Zechariah 6:12, finds the idea novel and felicitous, associates him with the Father of the universe whom he imitates, calls him the firstborn son and eldest angel, describes him an incorporeal being who is born, says that we should strive to be like this firstborn Logos who is the son of God, and then publishes these thoughts in his works some time around 10-40 CE, shortly before or during the period when Christian oral tradition began.

Ancient religions, including Judaism and Christianity can be said to have been partially derived from astrology. Celestial bodies and their effects translated into stories. It makes for an interesting study. Some think Satan is Saturn. The son of god, the sun represented by Leo. The virgin mary, Virgo. The age of Pisces, the fish, the age of Christainity. Learning with no agenda opens us up to new ideas. Love the thinking person. xoxo

@COGmercy

5 жыл бұрын

Because Judaism uses a lunar calendar yes many think so. Those who assume Satan is Saturn or Santa forget the Bible was not written in English but in a hieroglyphic (similar to ancient Chinese in whose hieroglyphs were found the story of the God of the judeo Christian faith....now is that not an interesting topic) and numeric language. Intellectual idolatry make many think up these stories instead of checking the historiscity....so, real historical accounts become allegories and referred to as the story of King David". The supernatural, the existence of paranormal whatever cannot fully be explained by a man who wants to be famous with a book or who wants to be called an expert is seen as fact. I would recommend what Dr. Peale author and father of the book of Positive thinking did for most of his clients send these men or women to remote cabins and give them nothing but the bible and the instructions to study it 3 times in between chopping their own fire wood etc. The Greeks and Romans had their gods as the bible refers to the the men who were the heroes of old the legends and yet, when one wanted his son healed he did not pray to one of his Roman gods he went to Jesus to heal his son (which Jesus did from afar). The Greeks had their temple to apollo but when the apostles went to preach to them they accepted the new found Christian faith based on the teachings of Christ and what was that teaching.....Repentance FOR the forgiveness of sin...Luke 24 start from Jerusalem he told them! If the Judeo Christian faith, was derived from the Greek or Roman or even eygyptian gods Judaism and Christianity would have more accounts similar to theirs but, in Egypt one form of medicine was the use of ass' milk and in the judeo Christian religion circumcision is done on the 8th day. Precisely the 8th day, when the young child has all the right conditions according to the wonderful gift of scientific study for the blood to clot. It is interesting to study instead of seeing all these other religions as separate from christianity and christianity as "new" maybe the study should be how do these other religions from the hindu gods, to the Roman gods to the Greek gods, science including quantum physics paranormal science all somehow relate to the the Judeo Christian statements of a young earth, a creator, Angels who contaminated the gene pool, a savior for the human race different planes of existence, different dimensions, the digital simulation that may be our life within a greater reality.....not myths and legends

@daragildea7434

5 жыл бұрын

Satan comes from the hebrew "shaitan", hebrew is a semitic language. Saturn is the latin name for a planet, latin is an indo-european language. When words in different language groups sound similar, but have completely different meanings, then it is just co-incidence that they sound similar, nothing more.

@josephking1947

5 жыл бұрын

@@daragildea7434 Satan means adversary only Christian's believe he's a individual.

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

Acharya S didn't know what she was talking about, being neither an expert in ancient history, ancient scriptures or even in ancient astrology. The ravings of that conman Jordan Maxwell seem to have done more to form her "education" than anything else, and that's sad. RIP Dorothy Murdock. but your ideas were bunk. historyforatheists.com

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

there is no correspondence here, and no hint that this was ever intended. this is simply modern people applying their modern ideas of the zodiac (there was not one uniform understanding of astrology at any point in ancient history). The word "son" and "sun" sounding the same in english has no bearing because english didn't even exist as a language when the bible was completed. "saturn" has nothing to do with "satan" and the words aren't even related (except in video games). tell me what the other signs of the zodiac signify if you know so much... and how many are there? oh that's right, it keeps changing depending upon which system you use. there's no evidence Jesus had anything to do with astrology, except that mention of the Magi seeking him (which skeptics will dismiss as legend anyway) and they all try to make so much hay out of that they can build an entire castle out of it. it's stupid.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between fantasy and fairy tales, between myths and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his ignorance. This is the dimension of imagination, gullibility and delusion. It is an area which we call the RELIGIOUS ZONE

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

You're a fool.

@chcikety

9 жыл бұрын

IdiotAtheist BrainlessAtheist You're a fool.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

Dylan Ellis it took you a month to respond? You're a fool.

@chcikety

9 жыл бұрын

IdiotAtheist BrainlessAtheist I just saw the comment now, you're a fool.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

Dylan Ellis so it took you a month to reply, you're still a fool.

If you start from the premise that all claimed religious revelations are "hallucinations" (or "lies"), as this fellow does, it doesn't say much for your objectivity as a scholar.

Like the topic and delivery. Killing me with the loud drinking though.

there is tons of Jesus in Mexico and Mexican north america

@YY4Me133

5 жыл бұрын

@Fire Smollett *Mexico* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico "Mexico...is a country in the southern portion of North America." *List of countries in North America* www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-north-america.html "In total, in North America, there are 23 officially recognized independent states. The largest of them is Canada, followed by also rather big the United States. These two giants together occupy more than 79% of the whole continent area. The smallest country in this part of the world is Saint Kitts and Nevis, it is only two small islands in the Caribbean." *How Many Countries Are In North America?* sciencetrends.com/heres-many-countries-north-america/ "There are 23 countries in North America and 9 dependent territories with the United States of America being the largest and Saint Kitts and Nevis being the smallest by population."

@steviangarcia1583

5 жыл бұрын

There is no America just land that was indiginous to a people that had their own names fer the land mass they occupied

@steviangarcia1583

5 жыл бұрын

Amerigo Vespucci is the name Europeans used in the naming of the land mases that make up the western hemisphere

@daragildea7434

5 жыл бұрын

@Andro mache No, you're wrong, Mexico is part of north America. Central America is just the narrow strip of land between north and south Americas.

@daragildea7434

5 жыл бұрын

@@steviangarcia1583 Land cannot be "indigenous to a people", that doesn't make sense. Plants and animals are indigenous TO lands.

I preferred Bible stories when I considered them to be teaching myths. But by 11, I was getting more crazy moral hypocrisy than I could stand. The whole deal became a source of much discomfort for all but my mother, who demanded we all(6) sit in the second pew from the front so all could take note. What a charade.

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

ah yes, if only we all were so brilliant in our tween years, eh? seriously though, the whole "I left the Church because of sin" is stupid, when you realize you're a sinner just like the rest of us (if you say no, I question your sanity). Carrier isn't on to something, he's just trying to milk you fundy atheists by filling your ears with what they are itching to hear. historyforatheists.com

@christopheraaron1255

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeroQuestFans I don't admit to sin, nor am I insane. Question that all you like, you'll never question your own and there in lies your dishonesty.

@BradWatsonMiami

3 жыл бұрын

I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com .

@BradWatsonMiami

3 жыл бұрын

@@christopheraaron1255 I was Jesus son of Joseph. I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com ​ . You are being Judged.

@christopheraaron1255

3 жыл бұрын

@@BradWatsonMiami see, now there's the thing, the Christ a) wasn't the son of Joseph, he's quite specifically the son of Yaweh and b) wasn't called Jesus. Jesus is a corruption of the hebrew Yeshua; commonly translated to be be Joshua. Not only that, but according to scriptural prophecy, the Christ was supposed to be named Emanuel. Quite frankly, you can judge as much as you like, you delusional little sausage. I don't believe you, and I don't care.

Dr. Carrier is fantastic and I eagerly look forward to reading his recommendations.

@johnnycanupp2123

2 жыл бұрын

2 Corinthians 2:14 national man receiving not the fans of God sir you can't be helpful you believe the Bible the Bible changed my life and thousands of others you must believe Jesus who he said he was until it comes of a reality it's my face if you don't believe the gospel you will burn in hell

@logiclogic6703

2 жыл бұрын

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@Kennylou29

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnycanupp2123 your life being changed by the Bible gives no credence whatsoever to whether or not those scriptures have any truth to them

@jszlauko

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnycanupp2123 - Uh yeah, what a loving, kind, compassionate god you have there that would send a soul to burn in hell for eternity because the person chose to not believe in a nonsense story of Jesus dying for our sins! What if Allah is the real god? Guess where you're going!

@troy3456789

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnycanupp2123 You should listen to the presentation, then go from there.

Finally, some actual sanity on this subject. Thank you!

Let's say you have the most important news ever, the story of Jesus. In uncertain times when you could die early in any number of ways like disease, war and such, would you write it down then and there or leave it till you will, if you survive, be a doddery old man with a poor memory, and no eye witnesses to back up your story? That is the story of the gospels, written 50-90 years after Jesus. Illiteracy is not an excuse since a scribe could have written something down for you for a pittance.

@LightningSonic

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Hill Why should they write everything down right after Jesus' ascension? I don't think you understand much of what Jesus' disciples actually believed. They probably thought Jesus' return was going to be in their lifetime. Besides, what's up your dating the gospels 50-90 years after Jesus' death? That's ridiculous. Bart Ehrman has stated before that he believed them to be 35-60 years after Jesus. And it goes without saying that he's extremely liberal. Many scholars date them much earlier.

@michaelhill5272

8 жыл бұрын

+M. Aaron . Did Jesus ascend? We know the last 12 verses of Mark, on which Matthew and Luke (and Acts) are based are known fakes. Google it. The last verse of John says Jesus lived a long life, before presumably dying a human death, which some believe was in India (read Jesus in India). John was written late enough that it could have been after such a death. This was a time when the average age before death was 30 so best to write things down quickly. Why would anyone delay since such writings could be used for the early church rather than hearsay which quickly becomes distorted. If you have read Ehrman, you know that even gospel writings were distorted by people with agendas. We have no evidence when the gospels were written down. We have a few verses from 125 AD, which could have even been in a letter and later put into John. There are a few other verses in the second century and suddenly come the third century, we have whole books turn up, as if this was when they were written. Bart Ehrman BELIEVES is not evidence. Many scholars? Names and their evidence? Jesus came to Earth with a message, was said to be literate at the age of 12, but left nothing behind. Why is that? Where is the evidence that he even existed? Jesus and his disciples expected his return to be imminent according to the bible but nearly 2,000 years later we know that was all lies.

@karenhenderson2615

8 жыл бұрын

+M. Aaron Many scholars date them much later but that is irrelevant. Mans memory is notoriously fallible so even something written down 35 to 60 years (your timelines) after his death and the death of the disciples cannot be used as a true story as so open to the authors writing what they want as no one to correct them. There were i believe 16 well known scribes who we have copies of their works. They operated in Jesus` time and area but never mention him. Thats a deal breaker for me. Nothing was written down by anyone about Jesus whilst he lived or indeed immediately afterwards.

@michaelhill5272

8 жыл бұрын

+Karen henderson . Ignoring the known christian forgeries like Josephus, Pliny, etc, no one of the time wrote about this amazing man who could do the impossible: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2776194/Jesus-never-existed-Writer-finds-no-mention-Christ-126-historical-texts-says-mythical-character.html If you had the most important news ever, about Jesus, in uncertain times where a common disease could kill you, a criminal or war could kill you, where in old age you could have dementia, would you not get the message down straight away rather than wait half a century? Even if you could not write, a scribe could do it for you for a pittance. More importantly, you could get witnesses to what you write too, to write their backup accounts. But the gospels were written long after witnesses could corroborate or deny them, and Matthew and Luke were heavily based on Mark with the phoney early life story to make them look different. John was written maybe 90 years later so was wholesale fake. Jesus came to Earth with a message but left nothing behind. What if he was no more than the imaginary angels in the cave of Mohammad and Joseph Smith?

@LightningSonic

8 жыл бұрын

Karen henderson Wow. You're dumb. But that's okay, sort of. How the hell would you know if scribes did or did not write about Jesus during his lifetime? Were you there? Don't you know about the burning in Rome? Don't you know most documents get lost in antiquity? Grow some brain cells.

Yeah, you're right. It's ridiculous how folklore formed the belief system for the world. It seems to be in decline here in the U.S.. Europe has put it behind them much more than we have. I first noticed this over 40 years ago on trips to Denmark & Sweden. It was a pleasant surprise.

@r.girolamoj.r.6022

2 жыл бұрын

Are you still alive ?

@Coryiodine

Жыл бұрын

im happy to read your comment. ive wondered about how other countries have been working to purge themselves

@karencarney7595

Жыл бұрын

@@Coryiodine we are all waking up. As a post-christian I can confirm it's a toxic, man made religion. Mostly doesn't make people's lives better, rather divides and uses judgement instead.

@TheGuitarReb

7 ай бұрын

Yea, I know, right? Thor rules!

@wozo9210

6 ай бұрын

You still alive? If your comments are true youd be 98 now

I picked up some good info from this. I still think there are a few more possibilities other than the three you named, but that is really only because the possibilities of how a myth can evolve into an organization with a cohesive story are many and probably impossible to pin down. I wish I had the time to learn the info to reach the level you have, but alas, learning history does take a village. I'm glad to find someone to listen to who can raise some good points and pull out info that can be digested in a single sitting. It is a rare thing, but you have managed. Thanks! Greatly appreciated.

@sgloobal2025

6 ай бұрын

Are you serious? You really believe jesus didn't exist? Have you read bart erhmans book

@gapete361

6 ай бұрын

@@sgloobal2025 oh yeah just read one book and make up your mind. That is incredibly ridiculous. In fact, that's exactly how we get these myths to begin with, and that is all they are. I think there is more than sufficient evidence to point towards the Christian savior as nothing more than one myth of many that were all very similar and this one happened to survive. I think that if there was any real man he wasn't even close to what the Christian myth claims. Most likely he was an amalgamation of stories about several different Jewish rebel leaders from the 1st century. That is the picture you get after having examined many books, and not just one.

@harryhanz1690

6 ай бұрын

There is absolutely no evidence that Jesus existed.

@user-ff4lr2jj5r

6 ай бұрын

@@sgloobal2025 The man you reference is even now shifting towards accepting that Jesus never existed.

@sgloobal2025

6 ай бұрын

@@user-ff4lr2jj5r since when because he just made a recent video responding to people who don't believe jesus existed and he still thinks they don't know history

Sūrat Maryam is the 19th sura of the Qur'an and is a Makkan sura with 98 ayat. It is named after Maryam, Mother of Isa, who appears in verses 16-34.

LOL. it's not the existence of geesus that I am concerned about, but rather his modern day lunatic followers....

@11aah

10 жыл бұрын

Be thankful we're not lunatics. We wouldn't let you get away with that statement if we were. In contrast, the true lunatics are people like nazi-like Sam Harris, anti-theist high priest Richard Dawkins, and anyone who takes what they say seriously.

@perfectbark

10 жыл бұрын

Darwins Myth Religion, in any incarnation, is evil, greedy, and divisive. Only religion will strap on a concealed bomb and walk into a crowded market, or murder a vital contributors of society in the name of its deity. Believe what ever you wish, as long as you keep your filthy gutter religion out of public policy and my secular government. A secular world is a sane world.

@RFCanalysist

10 жыл бұрын

perfectbark Yes I suppose "loving your enemies" and "praying for those who persecute you," is indeed evil and greedy. Horrible in fact. Just because some may hide behind religion and use it to gain control over people and for abuse, doesn't mean it's the religion itself that's at fault. People that actually have love for their fellow man (as religions some command) would never commit such atrocities. But I guess you have to leave all that out right, if you want to incriminate religion from a narrow-minded perspective? Guns don't kill people, neither do bombs. People kill people. By the same logic, we could say science is evil, because it allows people to invent nuclear weapons, which can be used for terrorism. But that would be wrong. Those abuse and misuse religion and science for their own selfish purposes are at fault, rather than the field of religion and science themselves.

@perfectbark

10 жыл бұрын

***** all of the worlds religions are a contrivance of man. Historically, all religions come, and go. Guns, are an invention of man, a tool that can be both useful and serve man, and abused. Science revealed the atom, technology, a contrivance of man, applied the knowledge secured through science and used it to make a weapon, again, an invention, or contrivance, of man. It's when one man believes that his religion or his ideology is superior to another man's ......well, therein lies the problem. If I had the opportunity right now to go to Sochi for a once in a lifetime chance to see the winter Olympics I'm afraid that I would have to decline, Why? Because man hates man, historically this hatred is revealed through the dogma of religion, and one man's ideology and religion, he believes, is superior to another resulting in one religious looney trying to eliminate another.

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

How about the lunatic skeptics

What an interesting analysis. I'm an atheist for obvious reasons and I'm surprised I haven't heard about this historian sooner. Smart fellow.

@troy3456789

Жыл бұрын

Richard Carrier's books dig even deeper, and dispell the errors (on both sides of the question). He does an excellent job of digging as deep as can be done. I do not believe anyone has busted him successfully.

@spidaman0112

Жыл бұрын

What's obvious

@freddyfurrah3789

Жыл бұрын

OBVIOUS??,????

@NightShade671

6 ай бұрын

Carrier is not a New Testament scholar, and he gives bad arguments and contradicts mainstream scholarship. Read "The Historical Jesus," by Habermas; and "Jesus Outside the New Testament," by Vanvoorst

Is there a second part to this lecture? It seems to cut off abruptly.

@kalinwang1

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, "dates hundreds of years before Christianity lol." He does not know that Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of a Jewish prophecy that dates back thousands of years? I can't see how the fulfilment of a 5000 year old prophecy can be delegitimised by a false religion that existed hundreds of years before the prophecy has been fulfilled. There's been a lot of false messiahs that's why there were specific things that had to be fulfilled to let you know what is the real Christ. Only Christ Jesus has fulfilled that prophecy and that's how we know he is God. This guy really needs to get some understanding. Christianity is older than that. Christianity is the result of a fulfilled 5000 year old Prophesy. He thinks this faith just started then lol. It is the fulfilment of. His Before Christianity points really fall flat and make no sense and expose as him as an idiot. Just look at your Bible you'll see "old" Testament "new" Testament. hes pointing out trends that Christianity predates and is trying to say those trends predate Christianity. This is either him trying to mislead people purposely or he really lacks a fundamental understanding of the faith hes trying to disprove.

@mythbuster1483

2 жыл бұрын

@@kalinwang1 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source, right?

If Santa did not exist why did children who saw him conversed with him and were even willing to vouch for him and his reindeers? This is the biggest proof that Santa really existed.

@Poptartsthatareplain101

7 ай бұрын

That awkward moment when you realize Santa did actually exist👀😂

@jetsunthinley936

7 ай бұрын

@@Poptartsthatareplain101 He really did. The reindeers told me.

@beachcomber1able

6 ай бұрын

It was a department store Santa the children saw. It's usually closet pedos who get that kind of seasonal work. 😟

@Frst2nxt

6 ай бұрын

The strength of the original legacy of the real man Saint Nikolaos makes the resultant fantasy possible. The modern view of him is two dimensional. Anyone saying JESUS didn't at least exist as a MAN is fantastically stupid. There are descendants of HIS brothers to this day.

@Bat_Boy

6 ай бұрын

Presents under the Christmas tree is proof Santa exists. Duh. 😅

Someone once created a compilation of traits that were shared among mythical heroes like Zeus, Apollo, King Arthur, ect. When applied to Jesus he scored higher than any other mythical hero. According to this study Jesus was shown to be less likely to have existed than King Arthur.

@knowone11111

3 жыл бұрын

& yet we named our age after this Jesus that never existed & we're still talking about this imaginary Jesus 2000 years later cause He never existed.

@Mr.Witness

3 жыл бұрын

Name or link?

@captaincaveman2550

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Witness Rank-Raglan mythotype

@mushypeasplease8872

3 жыл бұрын

@@knowone11111 - who was it who said a lie can travel the whole world before breakfast while the truth is still getting it's pants on.

@knowone11111

3 жыл бұрын

@@mushypeasplease8872 it didn't just "travel the globe". Ppl lived & died, (sometimes died in the most horrific of ways) for the Gospel over the last 2000 years from different cultures spanning the whole world. The Gospel has toppled entire kingdoms & continues to do so.

My father was a Presbyterian minister.. I had to go yo Sunday school every Sunday. I,never believed a word of any of it. Even at 5 or 6 I could ask questions that nobody could answer and the questions erased whatever bible story was in play that Sunday. How anybody can believe any of this or any religion is completely beyond me.

@thegentlelivingchannel

8 ай бұрын

Brainwashing and desire.

@Woodman-Spare-that-tree

6 ай бұрын

How they expect kids to believe that Santa is make believe, but walking on water, virgin births and rising from the dead after 3 days is real ….. Crazy stuff. Some people are so gullible.

Where does Philo equate his Logos with the name “Jesus”? I’ve heard him say this a few times, but I can’t find anything to back it up. Anyone?

@aFoxyFox.

4 жыл бұрын

Probably baseless and made up or a slight mistake in wording. I'd like a source for such a claim too. People associated Jesus with the Logos (of God), which was being used as a term by Stoics, Christians, and others, but the name Jesus itself never seems to have meant to anyone anything to do with Logos, its just that Christians would say "Jesus is The Logos". That is as far as I've ever seen, I've never seen anyone etymologically try to make the term or name Jesus mean Logos or anything, especially not an Alexandrian Jew or Non-Christian. Logos was the idea of God's Command, the power to speak things into existence, which Jesus was considered by Christians to be the incarnate manifestation of that attribute and power of God. So then it is said "Through Him (The Command Power) All things were brought into existence".

@richardhowe5583

3 жыл бұрын

@@aFoxyFox. sounds like a crock of s*** to me

@patbickmonty6900

3 ай бұрын

You will not find any quote from Philo using the name Jesus. However there is a possible allusion to him. Here is the explanation: In Philo's work 'On The Confusion of Tongues' he quotes a text that says "Behold, A man who's name is ‘Rises’." Philo is clearly referencing Zechariah 6:12. The name ‘Rises’ is written in Hebrew as ‘Semah’, meaning ‘growth’ or ‘shoot’ on the risen part of the tree, although usually translated into English as ‘Branch.’ Philo was using a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures called the Septuagint, which translated ‘Semah’ as ‘Anatole’ (Aνατολὴ), which was very commonly used by Greek-speakers to mean ‘rise,’ ‘sunrise’ or ‘the East.’ The surrounding verses in Zechariah 6 are about Joshua ben Jehozadak, whose name is transliterated from the Hebrew 'Yeshua" into the Septuagint as 'Iesous' (the Greek name for Jesus as written in the New Testament); and of this Jesus guy the verses say "...make a crown, and set it on the head of Jesus, the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. And say to him: 'Behold, a man whose name is Rises: for he shall branch out from this place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord. It is he who shall build the temple of the Lord and shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the council of peace shall be between them...'" This Jesus guy sounds quite messianic. He will rebuild the house of God, be the king and priest of the jews in the messianic age, and oversee peace. Philo gives further commentary on this figure: "A very novel appellation indeed, if you consider it as spoken of a man who is compounded of body and soul; but if you look upon it as applied to that incorporeal being who in no respect differs from the divine image, you will then agree that the name of ‘Rise’ has been given to him with great felicity. For the Father of the universe has caused him to spring up as the eldest son, whom, in another passage, he calls the firstborn; and he who is thus born, imitating the ways of his father, has formed such and such species, looking to his archetypal patterns." In the same book, Philo says even if no one is “worthy to be called a Son of God,” we should still “labor earnestly to be adorned according to his firstborn Logos, the eldest of his angels, the ruling archangel of many names;” and notably Jesus is also called the firstborn Logos, and Christians were also called upon to try and emulate him and adorn themselves like him. Elsewhere Philo adds “there are two Temples of God, and one is this cosmos, wherein the High Priest is the Firstborn Son, the Divine Logos.” Compare these remarks with Colossians 1:12-20, Hebrews 1:1-14 and Hebrews 4:14, and the connections are obvious. Likewise with Zechariah 6:11-13, which not only says Jesus will “build the temple of the Lord,” but “he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne, and he shall be a priest upon his throne.” So in summary, Philo, the philosopher who is notable for combing the Greek Logos (the premise of "The Word" in the Gospel of John) with the Jewish Theological tradition, hears about this messianic king/high priest Jesus in Zechariah 6:12, finds the idea novel and felicitous, associates him with the Father of the universe whom he imitates, calls him the firstborn son and eldest angel, describes him an incorporeal being who is born, says that we should strive to be like this firstborn Logos who is the son of God, and then publishes these thoughts in his works some time around 10-40 CE, shortly before or during the period when Christian oral tradition began.

Carrier missed the main point: Paul was one of the greatest religion seller ever. He retold an made up different stories according to the church which he addressed to.

Enlightening!....Makes so much sense coming from a guy who's got a doctorate degree. Buying this guy's books is in my bucket list along with some books from my favorite scientists.

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he wants you to buy his book SUCKERS!!!! No Jesus, but buy my book. LOL

@Yamyatos

4 жыл бұрын

@ If you put an age restriction on the bible and all its content, Christianity would vanish in a single generation. Same with all other religions.

@LuffyuzumakiPotter

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yamyatos siad that to mexicans who where forbiden to go to church by the atheist governement and in a few years the people in the streets started to join a catacombs and hidden catholic cult and an open war against the sacking and theft of the government made of the schools and churches and religious people like the rape of nuns and the hungs of priests after torture.

@Yamyatos

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuffyuzumakiPotter Some punctuation would probably help me understanding that. Anyways, my point was that if we suddenly "forgot and burned everything", modern religions would be lost. We would sooner or later reach the exact same scientific knowledge again, but religions and other stories like harry potter would be lost forever. We would create similar good stories, and new religions would be emerge, but there would simply be no way to reconstruct the old ones, because all their "evidence" is contained in that one book.

Terrific recording!

A superb scholar. Thank you for uploading.

@mattgilbert7347

8 ай бұрын

@@Q2WE45TY62 lern too spel

...For every story of a believer turning into a skeptic/agnostic/non-believer you'll find a story of a skeptic/agnostic/non-believer turning into a believer. FAITH is a state/choice of HEART rather than a state/choice of MIND...

@war6nheaven

Күн бұрын

faith is the art of lying to one's self.

My definition : " Religion is the exploitation of superstition, at its best for social reasons, and at its worst for political ones."

@darvad77frimml69

3 жыл бұрын

My hunch is, even if irrefutable evidence of Yeshua presented itself, then you still would reject the truth! And there is evidence that he was here, and that he was resurrected too!

@mushypeasplease8872

3 жыл бұрын

@@darvad77frimml69 - con artists love you

@darvad77frimml69

3 жыл бұрын

And what of the origin of man? And have you studied ALL possibility and even, possibly evidence of creation and against creation in an unbiased manner? And by humbling yourself to recognize that, when looking for facts, opinions MUST BE EXCLUDED and emotions, MUST BE IGNORED, in order to reveal the truth? And I mean a diligent study that doesn't bow down at the 1st notion of opposition, either for, or against God's existence? Meaning, when archaeologists discover some biblical artifact that potentially proves the Bible to be a good historical document that is valid and trustworthy, are you going to accept that right away, without looking into it yourself? Or when they discover a Holy location that they claim, God left his signature at, but the secularists offer a possible alternative, will you diligently study, ALL, available information to help you in your pursuit of the truth? Because until then, and for the common good, you shouldn't offer an opinion unless, misinforming people isn't a big deal to you anyway! You should know that, according to the Holy Scriptures, we are held accountable for our actions! And if our actions influence or guide people away from the truth of God, and it turns out that the evidence that is for God is greater, then you might want to take my words seriously! Cause that is not a situation ANYBODY wants to face! Just saying. But for your son good, be wise enough to realize that our opinions do not determine reality! And that the trust would remain weather or not we ever lived! In wisdom, the truth is acknowledged, not decided! It is sovereign and absolute! Good luck!

@darvad77frimml69

3 жыл бұрын

@@mushypeasplease8872 spare me of your foolish and senseless exuberation Pride! Until you can present a logical debate that doesn't include the action of blurting senseless recognition on the matter, for your own sake, don't embarrass yourself!

@AmitKumar-qz2us

3 жыл бұрын

All abrahamic religion are same....evil cult....

As a moral Atheist; I've questioned for many years all religious claims. I've known hundreds of Atheists and skeptics all over the world and they only request one thing: verifiable, concrete evidence of these claims; from Jesus and God to the Bible as well as countless other mythical concepts based on ancient religious dogma.

@dionsanchez6097

10 жыл бұрын

1. The change of the disciples. 2. The fact that a large number of Gentiles follow a Jewish teacher who was born while the 2nd temple still stood...more later.

@wmthewyld

10 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of verifiable truth, please show me observable evidence for evolution and I will do the same for the Bible, Jesus and/or GOD.

@stormyshadowy6598

10 жыл бұрын

Oh go fuck yourself. "Prove science to me and I will give you evidence of my "beliefs" is not an argument, is proof positive that IQ is lacking. Nothing more.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

Stormy Shadowy Stupid, it's show me "observable evidence" not prove science. Learn to read. Evidence is all you bozos ask for, I'm just doing the same.

@Doriesep6622

9 ай бұрын

I'm an atheist, but even if there were evidence, it is an immoral religion, a religion with a God who makes someone pay for others' sins. the fact that is acceptable to so many people is just abhorrent

That's sober and methodologically sound. People forget how, in the past, people had different worldviews... like the heavens, revelation, mysticism... And that is compelling evidence that Jesus never existed

CHRISTIANS- REMEMBER, "WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT"

@coyotecody132

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not even a Christian and i know hell is real.

@coyotecody132

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have to go to hell.

@coyotecody132

4 жыл бұрын

But i love the world.

@coyotecody132

4 жыл бұрын

Atheists should repent.

@mythbuster1483

4 жыл бұрын

@@coyotecody132 "The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof So where's your proof that an *INVISIBLE MAGIC SKY GENIE* exists and created the universe, or that Jesus was a *VIRGIN-BORN DEMIGOD WITH SUPERPOWERS* and that his *ROTTING CORPSE MAGICALLY RETURNED FROM THE DEAD* before levitating bodily into outer space? Where's your proof for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, etc?

Seems some of you have God mixed up with Jesus. You know they are supposed to be two different individuals. Now, if you learn theology like priests do then you would understand that religion is based on ancient teachings which are based on Astrology. Furthermore there is no evidence that Bible is based on real events nor that Jesus existed.

@dinagolden4546

5 жыл бұрын

Great👍👍👍👍 comment

@faithrada

4 жыл бұрын

Just for the record... and nothing really to do with religion... "God" is THAT formless Infinite, All Inclusive Consciousness /Awareness which is the underlying Essence ... of all that IS and IS NOT. This formless Consciousness / Awareness is that underlying Essence .... which both supports and permeates all experiential realities of the non-local / non-physical mind. We are ALL the *THAT* of 'I AM THAT'... because THAT is ALL that exists. The only 'difference' between Jesus and MOST human BEings is that He actually KNEW who He was... Infinite Consciousness IN A MANIFEST FORM... while most have no idea who/what they TRULY ARE. In a very real sense 'we' are ALL the "Dream of God"... and of course Dream and Dreamer are ONE and the same. Most are still caught up in the divine dream of "NOT God"... however... SOME ARE Awake, while fewer yet are fully Enlightened. The KEY is Grace... the Revealing power of "God" / Consciousness. One uch as Jesus was not only fully Enlightened .. but as a Grace Bestower in His own right, had the ability to Awaken (those who were ready) to their own Divinity. So... Jesus was "God", YOU ARE " God"... Everyone and everything IS " God"... at their core essence. The key to SELF REALIZATION is Grace alone. Grace rips away the veil of ignorance which hides our True SELF from us. Nothing 'here' is as it appears to be. This is all a Divine Play of Consciousness and YOU.. to say, your TRUE SELF, not who you THINK you are, are the ONLY ONE HERE. .. Playing ALL these roles... all for the sake of the experience. Religions are clueless when it comes to "God"... what they call God is nothing more than a flawed mind construct which they model after their own judgemental, ego veiled minds. .. thus they end up with this Judgemental Deity God which, sadly, looks a lot like their own distorting ego. They even go as far as to hijack and distort Jesus.. to fit their own dogmatic narrative. Fact: Those Grace Awakened BEings who actually KNOW "God" .... KNOW better than to bother with any religion. They KNOW that "God" / Infinite Consciousness is the actual ESSENCE of all that IS ... that Jesus is "God'.. and that they too ARE "God". ... Dream and Dreamer are ONE, and eventually the Dreamer Awakens... when the time is right. Point to something which is NOT "God" in essence... it is impossible. What we THINK we are does die.. however.. THAT which we Truly are, which is currently hidden from the mind, has Never been Born and Never Dies. That all pervasive Consciousness is our True SELF. There is nothing to be saved from except the ignorance of our own veiled mind.. that THINKS that something other than "God" could actually exist. That which is NOT "God" is not ultimately real, but only a temporary construct of the mind... the mind being The Creative TOOL of " God". All just meaningless words here UNTIL Grace strikes, destroying our false ego, and Revealing our True SELF to us. One such as Jesus is far FAR Greater than ANY religion can comprehend. Jesus IS "God" and REALIZES THAT.... while YOU are "God" .. who has YET to Realize this Ultimate Truth. Grace alone Awakens and Grace is a FREE AGENT, owned by no religion, individual or group. Whatever the veiled, finite mind THINKS "God" is will always fall short of THAT Absolute Reality. So.. SEEK WITHIN...Be still and KNOW what the thinking mind can never Know ... that "God" alone exists. Peace

I've just been watching a programme about the history of Jerusalem on the BBC by Simon Montefiore - he is a Jewish historian (+author and TV presenter). He seemed quite content to talk about Jesus having existed and been in Jerusalem.

@RonSafreed

2 жыл бұрын

Even the early enemies of early Christianity gave acknowledgement to Jesus Christ as the founder of Christianity, including the apostle Paul who started out trying his best to wipe out Christianity in the first century A.D. Then he becomes Christianity's biggest supporter & goes on to write over half of the New Tesstement. This is like Adolf Hitler repenting & becoming an ultra-orthodox rabbi & founder of Isreal & Isreal's first prime-minister!!!!!

@ASD128London

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSafreed I agree Ron. There is no sensible attempt by Carrier to explain how Paul and others came to believe in Jesus, if (as Carrier says) he didn't exist in the first place.

@Doriesep6622

9 ай бұрын

@@RonSafreedwhat you wrote is ignorant. after Paul's tall tale he went to either Egypt or back to his home town for 9 years depending on the passage you read. the jews were busy fighting the Romans. they had bigger fish to fry than a few Jesus people. And only seven of his books are considered authentic. He made up a religion. A blood cult religion shot with pagan influences. Do some research on Marcion. Atwill. It's fiction.

@thegentlelivingchannel

8 ай бұрын

​@@ASD128Londonnow look into Caesar's Messiah. 😊

@ASD128London

8 ай бұрын

@@thegentlelivingchannel are you one of those fans of R.Carrier? (I'm not) but he stated that all of Atwill's alleged parallels can be explained as either coincidences, mistranslations or references to OT.

Thank you for this.

@kalinwang1

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, "dates hundreds of years before Christianity lol." He does not know that Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of a Jewish prophecy that dates back thousands of years? I can't see how the fulfilment of a 5000 year old prophecy can be delegitimised by a false religion that existed hundreds of years before the prophecy has been fulfilled. There's been a lot of false messiahs that's why there were specific things that had to be fulfilled to let you know what is the real Christ. Only Christ Jesus has fulfilled that prophecy and that's how we know he is God. This guy really needs to get some understanding. Christianity is older than that. Christianity is the result of a fulfilled 5000 year old Prophesy. He thinks this faith just started then lol. It is the fulfilment of. His Before Christianity points really fall flat and make no sense and expose as him as an idiot. Just look at your Bible you'll see "old" Testament "new" Testament. hes pointing out trends that Christianity predates and is trying to say those trends predate Christianity. This is either him trying to mislead people purposely or he really lacks a fundamental understanding of the faith hes trying to disprove.

@lucylucifer7282

3 жыл бұрын

Don't shot yourself at these levels of truth there are more layers to cover up they are so damn scary as fucking hell

@kalinwang1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucylucifer7282 what are you talking about?

Like Richard Carrier, The Jesus Puzzle, by Earl Doherty was the book that finally convinced me that a historical Jesus never existed.

@gabepearson6104

2 жыл бұрын

And why is that?

If the claims of any religion are true, if they give a true picture of reality; then we should expect that objective scientific inquiry into the nature of reality aught be able to converge, independently, on the same conclusions as that religion; that is, without reference to any of the texts of the religion. If science cannot independently reach the same conclusions then why should the religion be given any credence, the only reason to believe the religion is that the religion proclaims itself to be true. The personal experiences of individual believers are not admissible as evidence because every religion has people who attest to its truth from personal experience or revelation.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

this is the best circular argument I've seen.

@fiveredpears

9 жыл бұрын

wmthewyld A circular argument is one in which the conclusion is used as a premise; or, to put it another way, an argument that assumes what it's conclusion is. In what way have I done that? If the truth claims of a religion are true then they should be independently verifiable. For example, if there were a group of scientists working in insolation we should expect them to make at least some of the same discoveries as other scientists.

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

fiveredpears this is absurd, science deals with the physical. Ask your question when spiritual science is developed.

@fiveredpears

9 жыл бұрын

wmthewyld Science is a systematic investigation into the way things are, it deals with what is; if there is the "spiritual" then it should be possible to investigate it in a meticulous way. That wouldn't be "spiritual science ", it would just be science. You are effectively admitting that there is no way that the claims of a religion can be discovered through investigation in an independent way. In the case of Christianity, all you have to go on are the writings of people who lived in the Iron age. Without those writings there is no way that a person making an independent study of reality could reach those conclusions. Christianity is making truth claims, truth claims aught to be verifiable. For example, if the human race was tricked into sin and was condemned to spend eternity in hell; there should be some way of establishing the truth of that in the world. If there isn't, then what is the status of a claim like that?

@wmthewyld

9 жыл бұрын

fiveredpears science is nothing more than "best guessing" with a degree. Here is just one item of proof. A notable case of a scientists using fraudulent material to promote Darwinism was the work of German scientist and atheist Ernst Haeckel. Noted evolutionist Stephen Gould wrote the following regarding Ernst Haeckel's work in a March 2000 issue of Natural History: “ "Haeckel’s forceful, eminently comprehensible, if not always accurate, books appeared in all major languages and surely exerted more influence than the works of any other scientist, including Darwin…in convincing people throughout the world about the validity of evolution... Haeckel had exaggerated the similarities [between embryos of different species] by idealizations and omissions. He also, in some cases - in a procedure that can only be called fraudulent - simply copied the same figure over and over again.…Haeckel’s drawings never fooled expert embryologists, who recognized his fudgings right from the start. Haeckel’s drawings, despite their noted inaccuracies, entered into the most impenetrable and permanent of all quasi-scientific literatures: standard student textbooks of biology... Once ensconced in textbooks, misinformation becomes cocooned and effectively permanent, because…textbooks copy from previous texts.... [W]e do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks!" So much for accuracy in science.

Wow ! Still alive ! He must have more aches & pains than me, & I'm only 90.

@kingsaintides7227

5 жыл бұрын

Still alive Bill?

@electrichanoi7244

4 жыл бұрын

Antuan Grantham No he’s probably dead, probably a Christian who forgot to take the correct medication because he thought God would heal

@hehotbros01

4 жыл бұрын

Bill, still alive homie?

@drrydog

4 жыл бұрын

check back in Bill :D lol we need to know if you have become one with the stardust yet !

@seanzibonanzi64

3 жыл бұрын

The locale of all consciousness awaits your arrival. May it be blissful

Finally found an educated explanation. This is wonderful. Throughout my life my paradigms have shifted. Doing the research necessary to prove my beliefs and understandings has been taxing. So I applaud this man for his research. Thanks so much.

@NICKYSYMONEE

4 жыл бұрын

That's the thing Jesus is not knowledge or science , He's an encounter. An experience that is supernatural, so i encourage you not to stop trying to find answers .

@scottlouissmith2382

4 жыл бұрын

@@NICKYSYMONEE Then tell me why only a small population have this "supernatural" experience?

@NICKYSYMONEE

4 жыл бұрын

@@scottlouissmith2382 From a natural perspective ;you will have encounters/understanding/revelation or experience in things you seek answers for , likewise your mind and reasoning rejects truth you're not open to , much like what your're doing now. Strangely enough the bible highlights this human way of thinking and gives a combative solution.off " you will seek me and find me when you search for me with your whole heart . Jerimiah 29:13. this is saying is that if you would let go of your own understanding and genuinely ask God for a supernatural encounter that proves his existence then, that's what you you get. It was not the dictation from a man on a pulpit that showed me God but God himself who comes to enlighten ALL men. John 1: 9,10.

@ashley_brown6106

2 жыл бұрын

he's wrong tho lol

@scouttalent7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottlouissmith2382 narrow is the gateway that leads to eternal life and very few find it. I could debate richard carrier as why he is wrong. He is using other reglions to assume jesus is added into it. Jesus is mentioned in the talmud. and the jews hated him. if he didnt exist they wouldn't mention him.

"People always expect more of you when you have naturally curly hair." -- Frieda, red-haired character in "Peanuts." Dr Carrier certainly doesn't disappoint on that score.

@quentinquaidkate8982

5 ай бұрын

🤪

The Jesus myth story was stolen from the story of Horus in Kemmet aka Egypt!

@jackwilson3867

5 жыл бұрын

there's no way to respond to this incredible stupidity... in fact my response here is just random from dinking around on the net

@TheJokesterSCR

5 жыл бұрын

@@jackwilson3867 Yes, the stories are very different. The attributes of each character, though... are pretty spot on between the two. But, I digress.

The tremendous conflict is thus: Most theologians today (people who have actually done the research) will readily admit that Jesus probably never existed. However, the church makes sure the the person in the pew is never ever told this. A disconnect...on purpose.

@tredzwater

8 жыл бұрын

+blob darkass - I have more neutral, scholarly, concrete evidence for the reality of Santa Claus than ever existed for "Jesus". Given the season, I'd be happy to post it for you. You might find it amusing.

@tredzwater

8 жыл бұрын

blob darkass - As you please, but it does give the Jesus-believers something to think about. If there is more real evidence for the reality of a fairy tale about a jolly elf than there is for a claimed son of a god, what does that say about the supposed son?

@tredzwater

8 жыл бұрын

***** - Your education in your own religion is beyond deficient. There is not a scrap of evidence that the man whose name is transliterated as "Jesus" ever set a sandalled foot on Planet Earth. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nil. NOTHING. Outside of the pages of the New Testament, "Jesus" doesn't exist. Both the Jesus Project and the Jesus Seminar failed to find any historical evidence of such a man, at all. Both groups were composed of leading biblical scholars, men of impeccable reputation and believers all. The Jesus Project began in 2007 and suspended deliberation in 2009, despite it having a stated 5-year goal. The Jesus Seminar tried, for nearly 20 years in the '80s and '90s, to find evidence of the historicity of "Jesus" and found nothing. In 2006 it gave up and turned it's attention to finding the historical roots of the Christian MOVEMENT, which is simply a study of how the religion grew. Unless and until you can provide neutral, scholarly, concrete evidence for this person, you may make no claims about what he might have done...including resurrection. Without evidence, saying what "Jesus" did is exactly like saying what Spiderman did.

@tredzwater

8 жыл бұрын

***** - There isn't a scrap of neutral, scholarly, concrete evidence of such a man. Zero, zip, zilch, nil, nada, nothing. I see no reason to concern myself with a myth.

@Faeriedarke

8 жыл бұрын

+punish3r But did they really? Many scholars seem to think that both Josephus and Tacitus mentions are forgeries or interpolations.

thanks for this lecture

As a theologian and historian myself, I see a lot of holes in the research, poorly substantiated parallels and just downright misinformation. Just because someone appears to know some things and seems convincing doesn't mean you should change your worldview after hearing one person speak for one hour. You should hear the information, weigh it against other bodies of information and draw a well informed conclusion. Responsible speakers usually lead with this type of advice.

as i read through all the replies I cannot help but wonder , in a world so screwed up socially, morally and ethically, what is so bad about following the teachings of Jesus who walked this earth and taught us to LOVE one another and be GOOD to one another, help each other be better people, not to judge, be humble and kind... Yeah I can see how people would want to knock that lifestyle and belief structure.

@MrNoname7296

10 жыл бұрын

Because that whole Jesus thing is tagged on with all of the horrible things of the old testament, all of which Jesus continued and in some places made stricter. And in the end it didn't matter anyways, you could be a torture murder serial killer, but if you did it with Jesus in your heart you'd get into heaven. These beliefs are antiquated and don't have any proof in the first place, why take a bunch of weird bullshit as truth especially if it's not even attached to good beliefs. Trying to ignore the bad parts is carving out your own faith and has little to do with the Biblical Christianity that people uphold. You don't need some insane antiquated religion that prevents scientific progress and social progress to get people to love each other, in reality it just leads to hatred of other religions, gays, witches and others who don't fit into their structure. It's nice to say how good it is, but it's followers and not even the book itself meet the expectations that people push on it.

@Surfxeo

10 жыл бұрын

MrNoname7296/* Because that whole Jesus thing is tagged on with all of the horrible things of the old testament */ What are you on about??? Everything you just wrote has absolutely nothing to do with whether Jesus or anyone else existed. Are you an Anti-Semite? The Old Testament is a very fine and moral account of the history of the Jews. There are many things in their law if it was implemented would drop the crime rate in the West down substantially. /* These beliefs are antiquated */ No such thing as "antiquated". You're beliefs are antiquated by the same standards. The OT has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs. They are recorded historical accounts. /* You don't need some insane antiquated religion that prevents scientific progress and social progress */ Tell that to the Nazis and Communists who abandoned religion for "Science". You are probably completely ignorant of the fact that Science is born out of Christianity by Christians. You cannot have Science without Christianity. That is why the Communist atheistic states never developed Science. Christian scientists: Galileo, Keplar, Newton, Farraday, Maxwell etc Deist scientist: Einstein (Jew). Have you ever heard of them? There is no dichotomy between Religion and Science. Its like trying to create a dichotomy between Law and Medicine. That's an absurd statement you made. Religion guides social progress. You have no moral society without Religion. You would not even have Democracy without Christianity. Its funny how Atheism also goes towards National Socialism as witnessed by the 20th century "The Bible is the Government of the People, by the People, and for the People" - John Wycliffe (1382 )

@MrNoname7296

10 жыл бұрын

Surfxeo I'm literally laughing at you because you think that the old testament is a respectable moral guide for anyone. Let's start, he's Jesus himself saying that every law from the old testament still applies completely so you can rule that out of your agenda. “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) You think that stoning disobedient teenagers is completely moral? You think that stoning women who get raped unless they marry they rapist moral? You believe that people wearing mixed fabrics being stoned is moral? You believe that killing your son because some cosmic psychopath told you to is moral? You think that stoning anyone who goes nearly as far to pick up sticks on the sabbath is moral? I fucking hope you don't, and the fact that others don't need this shit to make their own moral compass proves that people can be moral without the awful book that is the bible or it's reprehensible creator Yahweh.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

MrNoname7296 First thing i wanna say is : the old tetament is not a moral book, nobody said this, it is a mixed history and stories of the Jews in relation with their God, not much morality there. Don't forget the old testament is a mix of many books. What Jesus was about are the commandments, specially the first 3 in the Torah, and these are moral codes !! the moral codes are ; be fruitful and multiply, love God as your neighbour, etc...It was this that Jesus refered to. Second : the kingdom of heaven is not place somewhere in heaven or somewhere els, it is a state of being which is difficult too reach, that's what Jesus ment.

@Surfxeo

10 жыл бұрын

Filip Weekx Actually, if you had ever read through the entire Old Testament and into the New, you will realise it is a moral book on the good and evil of mankind. The only good throughout originates with God who is supremely merciful to those who repent and yet just in demonstrating his wrath against all ungodliness. Second. The Kingdom of Heaven is not a state of being. If you read Jesus words you would know that Jesus is the King of Heaven and brought the Kingdom of God to earth. He began His work in bring the people to His Father and then time has been fulfilled the Kingdom will be brought together into the New Creation. The LORD Jesus Christ is the King of the Kingdom of Heaven.

I'd like to see Dr. Carrier's review of the Joseph Attwell's Caesar's Messiah. It does a great job of mirroring the story of the Titus Flavian Caesar's battles in Galilee and the gospels. They appear to be verbatim in all accounts and both were written by Josephus.

@ASD128London

8 ай бұрын

"Atwill's Cranked-up Jesus" by R.Carrier: Joseph Atwill is one of those crank mothers I often get conflated with. Mythicists like him make the job of serious scholars like me so much harder, because people see, hear or read them and think their nonsense is what mythicists is...

@ASD128London

8 ай бұрын

PS you're welcome!

@ASD128London

8 ай бұрын

PPS ..crank mythers.. (blame the spell checker!

Can you discuss the historicity of Genesis and especially Exodus and the prevalence of "origin myths" in ancient peoples?

@neilsonlee7610

3 жыл бұрын

Ancient Sumer Mesopotamia

Great information, great delivery! Can t wait 4 your next video on: Why I Think Abraham Lincoln Did Not Exist!

@Tonytone992000

10 жыл бұрын

Do you have a PHD,george beotes? Don't be so sarcastic,show a little respect,moron.

@Tonytone992000

10 жыл бұрын

Actually,Abraham Lincoln didn't perform an miracles,which is more evidence that he's real. Atheist study history in a different then idiotic christians.

@hal8383

10 жыл бұрын

In a way he did, but he paid a price.

@comanche66100

10 жыл бұрын

This guy is a TWINKIE without the filling!

@hal8383

10 жыл бұрын

I'm not a TWINKIE. I'm a TWINKLE. ;`)

Masterly lecture! Thanks so much for sharing it!

@wmthewyld

8 жыл бұрын

+mybled drykids Please keep drinking the Kool-aid.

@teebrinner5939

2 жыл бұрын

This guy is a fool. Like many others creating a theory to suit his agender

Jesus is real ...he plays for Manchester City

@avartan5843

4 жыл бұрын

Navas

@j-subscribw

4 жыл бұрын

Lol nobody watches soccer lol

@pompei1968

4 жыл бұрын

@@j-subscribw it's football not soccer

@BradWatsonMiami

3 жыл бұрын

I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com .

@jonathanclarke281

3 жыл бұрын

You mean Jesús

The writings of Hyam Maccoby, particularly his Revolution in Judaea and his The Mythmaker, provide useful comprehension of the creation of Christianity as largely motivated by Roman anger at Jews for their revolt led by Simon bar Kokhba.

@MrSparkums

3 жыл бұрын

Tell you what, find me contemporary evidence for Alexander the Great(whom no one doubts existed) and I'll send a bunch more, none of which are from Christian sources.. “Jesus practiced magic and led Israel astray” (b. Sanhedrin 43a; cf. t. Shabbat 11.15; b. Shabbat 104b) “Rabbi Hisda (d. 309) said that Rabbi Jeremiah bar Abba said, ‘What is that which is written, ‘No evil will befall you, nor shall any plague come near your house’? (Psalm 91:10)… ‘No evil will befall you’ (means) that evil dreams and evil thoughts will not tempt you; ‘nor shall any plague come near your house’ (means) that you will not have a son or a disciple who burns his food like Jesus of Nazareth.” (b. Sanhedrin 103a; cf. b. Berakhot 17b) “Our rabbis have taught that Jesus had five disciples: Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni and Todah. They brought Matthai to (to trial). He said, ‘Must Matthai be killed? For it is written, ‘When (mathai) shall I come and appear before God?’” (Psalm 92:2) They said to him, “Yes Matthai must be killed, for it is written, ‘When (mathai) he dies his name will perish’” (Psalm 41:5). They brought Nakai. He said to them, “Must Nakai be killed? For it is written, “The innocent (naqi) and the righteous will not slay’” (Exodus 23:7). They said to him, “Yes, Nakai must be kille, for it is written, ‘In secret places he slays the innocent (naqi)’” (Psalm 10:8). (b. Sanhedrin 43a; the passage continues in a similar way for Nezer, Buni and Todah) And this, perhaps the most famous of Talmudic passages about Jesus: “It was taught: On the day before the Passover they hanged Jesus. A herald went before him for forty days (proclaiming), “He will be stoned, because he practiced magic and enticed Israel to go astray. Let anyone who knows anything in his favor come forward and plead for him.” But nothing was found in his favor, and they hanged him on the day before the Passover. (b. Sanhedrin 43a)

@georgeangus4965

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSparkums rg.ancients.info/alexander/tets.html

@georgeangus4965

3 жыл бұрын

YAWN

@MrSparkums

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgeangus4965 Come on George, that's just laziness..lol The ridiculous criteria set for proving Jesus wasn't a myth, is direct personal account, only original documents are acceptable.. Prove Alexander existed!!! My point is that Mythmaticians are retarded.. X D

@zapkvr

3 жыл бұрын

Crap

it used to be if you got read a book by a guy in a dress on sunday, damn right its true. now that you can read the same book and wear a dress any day of the week damn right its true !

I have recently encountered this man... I'm very impressed. He's an excellent iconoclast. It's so very seldom that one finds a "fringe" theorist who so staunchly believes in and upholds the scholarly method. I'll be watching his career with great interest as the years go by with hope that he will eventually be vindicated in the eyes of mainstream scholarship; he's got a very good shot at it.

@Godslayer1975

5 жыл бұрын

he is conspiracy theorist no better he has evidence its just this is what i think and what i got from looking at this stuff its insane any one who thinks the nob is anything but joke its useless until he has any evidence he is as bad rebellious

@Thagomizer

6 ай бұрын

No he doesn't.

@anthonyantoine669

6 ай бұрын

​@@Godslayer1975the thing none of you have any evidence outside the bible and your so called faith

@anthonyantoine669

6 ай бұрын

Correction: not even in the bible do you have evidence😂😂

@anthonyantoine669

6 ай бұрын

@daniele.3361 about what? A book of anansy stories compiled by a group of misogynistic racist men about another group of misogynistic racist war mongering tribe and their god that tells them to do the most vile and evil things and it's ok because he's god then he sent his son who is really him as a blood sacrifice to save the Jews but it's somehow turned around to make it look like he came to save all of us from him not sending us to hell because we don't believe the bs and then proceed to do the same thing all over the earth and call it religion? (yes read in one breath😁)

Without establishing the father there is absolutely no need to address a supposed son.

As an atheist that was not exposed to organized religion during childhood, I think it's fascinating to watch how people have to deprogram themselves from religious brainwash, and even after they do, the memory / wound is so fresh that they can relate and remember the mindset and behaviour at large. As if someone put an alien mind-controling brain parasite, that hijacked you for its own collective purpose, and people got aware of it and then rid of it by accident. Good for you people.

@RyanSymons

6 ай бұрын

People just like putting blame elsewhere rather than being responsible for themselves. Jesus is often that scapegoat.

@apophenic_

6 ай бұрын

I'm right in the midst of exactly this. 6th generation pastors kid, and was a pastor myself for many years. Finally feeling somewhat stable again after a couple years of deep introspection and deconstruction. Been difficult but rewarding.

@patrickian8843

4 ай бұрын

Personally, I believe the deeper wounds occur through denial and hatred of a being that you couldn’t possibly wrap your head around. I strayed away from the faith for several years and, the further I got away from God, the worse I felt. It became an overwhelming feeling of emptiness that no amount of reading books by or listening to atheists could fill. There was no deprogramming from being a Christian so, I’ll call you out on that one but, there was most definitely deprogramming the empty headed ideas of my atheism. As an atheist , I had an intense dislike for Christianity and the people who practiced it but, that disappeared as I started discovering faith in the God of the Bible. Historically, Yeshua (Jesus) most certainly existed and, there is a plethora of information that proves he did. The problem with atheists is that they already have their minds made about it and, no amount of evidence to the contrary is acceptable. It’s as though critical thinking and reasoning are thrown out and replaced with nothing.

@apophenic_

4 ай бұрын

@patrickian8843 pathetic drivel. Provide one shred of evidence of the supernatural, or preferably your specific brand of supernatural at the very least. Your anecdote is garbage. I'm disappointed that you'd even try and write this irrelevant crap as a point in your favor. Your inability to survive in a world without a god is not your fault. You were indoctrinated, and all the tools you'd otherwise gain from growing up were taken from you. Of course it'll be harder. But it's truth. And you ought not misconstrued your own internal failings as evidence of any supernatural work. Do and be better

*I saw Jesus face this morning* in a huge pile of gassy feces I dumped with a grunt whilst reading my Scientific Amercan Magazine on the throne. The resemblance was uncanny except for the color being more similar to an Indian then a white. (Perhaps it was Jesus after a week in the desert sun--baked.) So I'm a believer!

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

I saw a big face of an Atheist this evening, it was not just in my mind, i really saw his ugly face and than suddenly it talked, he told me that he named himself Bo and was a big joker of ridicule, than suddenly he vanished, i was not sad, he had nothing interesting to say anyway.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

Beastt17 I'm going to have to make an argument why you're incorrect about your assumption. Except fromp Spinoza and Freud i don't know any Atheist that ment something for our world while in all other category's you have plenty, than who is it that is right ? Also Atheism is a relgion and i'm against religions or ism's at whole. But this doesn't mean that people must have their freedom to believe what they want and surely i don't accept ridicule from people that don't understand this and make fun of everything which is out of their comprehension like with Bo (if they have something interesting to say than i don't care)!!

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

Beastt17 About your tests ; in the tests done between religious people and Atheists than we are likely talking about small differences here (very small differences become statistically significant when the sample size gets large, this is important because these some differences, while statistically significant, are too small to have much practical importance). Finding a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity is certainly interesting, but is a far cry from indicating that religious belief somehow causes people to be less intelligent or Atheists for that matter.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

Beastt17 Well, i didn't see any Atheists of big importance there, can you tell me who they are than, except from Spinoza and Freud ? And please don't get personal like "the one who doesn't understand (much of anything, it appears), is YOU,and all the other stupid things you told". Well, English is not my first language but i do know 5, and i don't know about you, maybe 1 !! Talking about intellect, you didn't show any, not at least on what you are saying, to insult people of an other belief is intelligent ? Wow, not many smart people here, and you can sit in the front row. Please don't think that you are one of those intelligent Atheists in these tests, i hope you don't.

@drphil36

10 жыл бұрын

Beastt17 Stultus es !!

The sound track is hilariously out of synch with the video. More than once we hear him speaking while drinking from that bottle. Not a biggie. But it is kind of funny.

I enjoy this topic but I don’t understand why historians continue to say that Osiris resurrected. He is killed. He stays dead and becomes lord of the dead. He didn’t come back to life.

1) He forgot to mention that Ishtar was dead for exactly 3 days and then ressurected, and that she was worshipped as part of a trinity consisting out of herself, Nanaya (as a love goddess) and Ninsianna (as an astral goddess). Also she was the "enforcer of divine justice" and her title was "the queen of heaven" similar to how Jezuz is called the king of heaven 2) I would also like to mention how Izlam plagiarized the story of Ascension of Isaiah which is interesting. But instead of Isaiah, muhammd gets the tour of heaven and he also says devils are fighting angels in outerspace by throwing stars at each other.

When you think about what he is saying it makes complete sense. I noticed something was weird with Paul continuously saying it was a revelation. it bothered me that no disciples had told him anything and why couldn't we find anything on them and their churches since they supposedly walked with Jesus and was there. it made no sense

@chuckschwartz1661

5 жыл бұрын

Sure you can. Google "Ebionites" Those were the Israelite-Christians; followers of the preaching of the apostles to the Jewish community in Jerusalem. [of course, the community then was expecting the messiah to bring the end of Roman rule so . . . that didn't happen. No wonder Christianity had to happen somewhere other than Israel. The Israelites knew better.

@bichepo

5 жыл бұрын

well, they were illiterate, so....

@paulpetrovich8779

5 жыл бұрын

Brandy Mundy I have heard that the Gospels were written about 40-70 years after the accepted death of Jesus. The people who wrote the New Testament probably never met him.

@dr.reaganboonephd9562

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulpetrovich8779 no one ever met geezuz! He is a foist, Period!

@paulpetrovich8779

5 жыл бұрын

Dr. Reagan Boone, PhD well, I believe they established there was a Pontius Pilate. They found a funeral ossuary with the name Kiafus Engraved on it from the 1st century. You could be absolutely correct about that. There are many holes in the story, I agree. The thing I can not understand is why the belief in Jesus is still so pervasive today if it is all myth.

*Humans created gods on their own image.* They worship it through idols and are driven by fear, they also perform rituals. Those humans now are mostly religionists. If you want the truth of life then seek it within the life itself, you can google *THE TRUTH CONTEST* for some guidelines.

@thinkforyourself7889

8 жыл бұрын

Perfectly explained!

@lordcole5138

8 жыл бұрын

where is your proof on that I don't know anyone that humans created Gods lol

@jamesmohr9168

8 жыл бұрын

+Colton Godin read "Religion Explained" by Pascal Boyer.

@NotoTruth

8 жыл бұрын

+Truth Spreader Your a sorry SOB

@dah8914

8 жыл бұрын

+Truth Spreader considering the universe revolves around all self centered non-believers.good luck with your personal analogies.

Im with ya up to the Roswell bit lol i think more recent evidence, whistleblowers, etc., have pushed the skeptics a bit.

@gravelpit5680

6 ай бұрын

Nope. ufology is still pure bullcrap. It's just evolving more and more just like other psychotic beliefs with zero facts. there are no whistle blowrrs... just whacked out people claiming stuff with no evidence as usual

@paulhammer1363

6 ай бұрын

I agree, it's an excellent lecure up till then. UFO's are gaining credibility in the U.S Government, just check out those recent Congressional hearings.

I think maybe there was a number of "jesus's" back then. At a time when people didn't have much science. With a lot of superstition, a jesus could fit right in.

@menace2societies

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah until logic and reasoning came it contradicts these beliefs

@chrispbacon3042

3 жыл бұрын

Every body needs a pet Jesus.

@leonfulcher8548

3 жыл бұрын

Today, there are the“flat earther’s”. People that are sure that if a black cat crosses your path, it will give you bad luck, or that the coronavirus is just going to magically disappear (they never explain what century it will disappear). So, is it hard to understand that a few thousand years ago, there were story tellers that could peace together elaborate fiction that would be eventually written into book form that still exists and that it still has devotees as dedicated as the Area 51 conspiracies theorists? Remember last year when a Facebook post went viral after it was put up by Matty Roberts on June 27, 2019? There’s a lot of crazy people out there.

ITS FAR EASIER TO THINK THAT JESUS NEVER EXISTED THAN TO PROVE THAT HE DID. YOU DONT HAVE TO / CANT PROVE A NEGATIVE , BUT YOU DO HAVE TO PROVE A POSITIVE CLAIM - THAT JESUS DID INDEED EXIST . AND EVEN IF YOU PROVE THAT JESUS EXISTED IT IN NO WAY PROVES THAT JESUS WAS DIVINE .

@metodinedialkov9211

4 жыл бұрын

IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT JESUS EXISTED!!!! IN FACT, IS THE MOST PROVEN FACT IN ANCIENT HISTORY!!! Google it! EVEN THE ROMAN EMPERORS DONT HAVE AS MUCH PROOFS THAT THEY EXISTED AS JESUS HAS!! AND THE PROOFS DONT COME ONLY FROM CRISTIAN SORSES, BUT FROM ROMAN, GREEK, AND SECULAR JEWISH. NO RESPECTFUL HISTORIAN, INCLUDING MANY AGNOSTIC HISTORIANS COULD DENAY THE CHRIST EXISTENCE NEITHER HIS LIFE! MORE OVER, JESUS CHRIST FULFILLED OVER 300 PROPHECIES, NO PERSON ON THIS EARTH CAME EVEN CLOSO TO ONLY FIVE FULFILLED PROPHECIES! THERE NO PERSON ON EARTH THAT CURED EVERY KIND OF ILLNESS AND DISEASE, JUST BY SPEAKING TO IT! AND FINALLY THERE IS NO PERSON ON EARTH WHO CONQUERED DEATH! WHAT BETTER EXPRESSION OF LOVE AND HUMILITY FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE TOWARDS YOU, TO COME ON THIS EARTH TO BE HUMILIATED, BEATEN AND KILLED, SO YOU AND I CAN HAVE A FREE REDEMPTION! ITS THE ULTIMATE LOVE LETTER FROM OUR CREATOR TOWARDS YOU AND ME!PlEASE, DONT LET YOUR IGNORANCE DESTROY IT! YOU WILL END UP IN PLACE WHERE THERE IS NO GOD FOR AN ETERNITY!!!

It is because the light of Christ has never entered your heart that you have no idea of his love, holiness, truth and selfishness. The world has nothing to compare to his pure, sacrificial love of Jesus who is ready to come into the lives of those who are willing to folow him

@eugenekoshanof7328

10 жыл бұрын

Spontaneous Feet Becausepeople follow their own selfish pleasures. In order to be holy, you have to deny your ungodlu and flewshly lusts, and live descreetly, righteously and godly in Jesus

@eugenekoshanof7328

10 жыл бұрын

Morgan Hastings Sexual relationships within a goldy, commited marriage can be beautiful and meaningful. The world need people that only Christians can make - people who walk in love, purity and honour. The world has seen enough carnality and godless sinfulness, Sir

@eugenekoshanof7328

10 жыл бұрын

Morgan Hastings Today, Millions of people have experienced the love and power of Christ just as well. You are missing out :)

@eugenekoshanof7328

10 жыл бұрын

Morgan Hastings Yes, I do believe in logic. And my logic clearly tells me that if only I listened to Jesus and the Holy Spirit instead of following my own selfish desires, I would save myself so many problems, because the spirit is TRUTH

@eugenekoshanof7328

10 жыл бұрын

Johnnie Blotus Jesus says : " LOVE your enemies, and do good to those wo hate you" who is Johnny B. Lotus ? who evern cares what he says? Good day

Have you ever done a 1 on 1 debate with a Christian apologist? I'd like to watch that if you have. If you haven't my vote is for you and someone like David Lane Craig to do a prepared debate. I think it'd offer a lot more dynamic to thre arguments being made and the claims and assertions.

@whiteninjaplus5

3 жыл бұрын

Google

Interesting presentation. It would be better if he did not expect the audience to accept his assertion that multiple letters attributed to Paul in the NT are forgeries. He should present the reasons why he believes they are forgeries.

Richard carrier reminds me of Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG1 😂

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

It a book sale thing mostly No honest research or anything like that..

@KizzMyAbs

4 жыл бұрын

Ah that's fucking awesome!!!

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

@@KizzMyAbs What carriers flunky research?

@leinadtresmegisto8516

4 жыл бұрын

He reminds me of Will Graham in the netflix series "Hannibal"

@minagica

4 жыл бұрын

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!! 😍

If we are all god's children, what makes Jesus so special?.

@marysuebeth3996

10 жыл бұрын

We are all God's creation only those who He adopts become His children. Jesus is so special because He is the first born of God. Because He was born into a man and lived a perfect life and then was sacrificed and died to pay for the sins of the entire world. Because He rose again and lives forevermore to show us that eternal life is real. So special because He was obedient and did the will of the Father and gave Him the glory, honor and praise. So special because He single handedly restored our ability to go directly before God and communicate with him directly. Other than that He's just a regular guy. It's all in the Bible. You know the B.asic I.nstructions B.efore L.eaving E.arth book that God co authored will fallible man to show He is NOT fallible. 66 Books and 44 Authors Check it out sometime if you care to it's one heck of a book most widely distributed and translated book than any other in the history of the world.

@fredforty4864

10 жыл бұрын

Mary Sue Beth We are not god's creation, it's the other way round. Mankind created gods thousands of years ago as a way of trying to understand the world. There is no god, and Jesus (if he existed)was not his son and neither was he the son of a virgin because basic biology shows that it's impossible for a virgin to get pregnant. The bible is nonsense.

@loufaggiano5809

10 жыл бұрын

Mary Sue Beth What do you mean Jesus paid for the sins of the world?

@marysuebeth3996

10 жыл бұрын

Sammy Skeptic Jesus paid the penalty for all of fallen man's sins once and for all. That's why He said on the cross just before He gave up His spirit. "It is finished". However God does require we except His free gift willingly. That is why we are told, "Whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved but whosoever believeth not is condemned already". That is also why we are not our own to do our own we have been bought and paid with by the blood of Jesus. It's kinda like say I gave you a million dollars but I didn't hand it to you directly I deposited it in a bank for you. Then I told you what bank and all you had to do was go there and give your name to get your money but you chose not to believe me. All you had to do is go to the bank and ask them for the money but instead chose not to. Does that mean you are not a millionaire? Well, yes and no. You are but if you don't access the money then your are not rich. I hope this analogy helps, by the way I didn't really give you any money it was just for an example that God has provided for everyone but not everyone knows thats what I'm doing here writing to you. You see my job is easy God aid go tell the the good news. It's not my job to make you believe in fact I can't and I don't have to. No one can come to God accept the Spirit of God draws Him. Is He drawing you? He doesn't take pleasure in the wicked perishing but we are made in His own image and so one of our traits is to be self sufficient. You see we don't want God but we need Him, He on the other hand does not need us but wants us. Born once die twice, born twice die once. It's not just a clever saying...

@marysuebeth3996

10 жыл бұрын

fred forty With man it is impossible but with God all things are possible. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. However this is what God has to say... "Only a fool says in his heart there is no God" I often am amazed remembering what God said to Job, "where were you when I created the foundation of the earth?" I would pose the same question to you but I know better. I just want you to think about it though. Are you by any chance one of those people that blame everything on somebody else? That hates their own life or circumstances? Did someone mistreat you that you now have a forgiveness problem? What has hardened your heart? No matter God is ready to give you a new heart if you only ask and believe. One more thought, I wonder since God is love how can those that do not know Him the author of love know how to love themselves or others?

trust me, i didnt believe until i seen him after a bad event, my brother was dying so i started to pray. that day i saw a star coming down from the sky & gave my brother life again & he told me revenge will come & this was in 2015. i forgot about that day but it was the most beautiful thing ive seen.

@jmdavison62

5 ай бұрын

Sorry, but wishful thinking is no basis for belief.

There are similar problems with the ostensible historicity of Socrates. He seems more like a rhetorical tool for Plato, Aristophanes, and Xenophon, than a real person. There are no contemporary sources affirming his existence, just these guys using him as a sort of appeal to authority, long after he supposedly died.

J.C. was 1 of the better known Saviors of the Middle4 East & part of India 20 - 25 centuries ago. He announced his return within the normal life span of those in his presence when he said it. However, here we are almost 2,000 years later & apparently something 'held up' his return.

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

and people continue to predict his return every year. what's your point? Jesus didn't' actually promise he would return in the lifetime of his first followers to end the world. I know, you have heard the opposite many times. but please, your excuse will be "well they changed it in the text to something else... but they also kept the old part and thought nobody would notice and put it back in there next to the changed part... but nobody noticed until atheists came along because we're the only smart people" right? some Christians back then thought he would return right away, just like there are guys on youtube right now saying he's coming back XXX day. do they speak for all of us? Jesus said we would not know his return, but you think that means he did know, because it would be within a few years and by the time they wrote it down the time was already up? give me a break. I know, you think Christians are that dumb. get over yourself...

@HeroQuestFans

5 жыл бұрын

the reason you guys don't believe in Jesus Christ is simple... you reject the entire concept of God and the supernatural. if you didn't, you admit these things are just as possible as any other mystical claim. so it really doesn't matter if this or that excuse comes to pass (bad effects of Christianity in history, whether this or that miracle was a historical event, whether all the Gospels attest equally to this particular detail, whether Jesus was supposed to return at a certain date, the genealogies, etc). I mean, who are you trying to convince? the fundies will just ignore you anyway, and those more learned already know the answers to these questions. so who is your target? the person who puts "Christian" on a census form but hasn't been to church (other than weddings and funerals) or cracked a bible (to actually read it) for years? the Jesus Mythicism stuff is really the worst part. it doesn't make one look rational or inquisitive, it just makes a person look insane, like a flat earther.

@karunanithin.ramachandran6482

5 жыл бұрын

You obviously don't know the Bible at all or haven't read it from the beginning to the end. If you had done literature in college or university you would have read and reread what exactly Shakespeare was trying to imply. And yet you discard the Bible without even trying trying to understand what it says. God is eternal and his words are eternal. If you study the Bible carefully you will realize that the Words he has spoken are for eternity, " In the beginning was the word, and the word......"

@valerieangell7588

4 жыл бұрын

I think the whole business is ridiculous.

@Doriesep6622

9 ай бұрын

@@HeroQuestFans A god that would create hell in the first place, make someone else be tortured for others' sins, and get his rocks off on that, and send people to hell for eternity for not believing in something invisible, is petty and monstrous.

Carrier has completed the works mentioned at the start of this video. On the Historicity of Jesus and Proving History go together. The weakest link in OHJ is how to understand "brother" of Jesus. But he generally does thorough work. I would say that his work on the epistles, including Clement 1, is his strongest point. (I quite literally own all but one of his books currently and have read all but the latest.) This video is a good summary of his work. Audio is on the left though and that should be corrected if re-uploaded. EDIT 5 Years later: I have completely grown to disagree with Carrier. The evidence for the historicity of Jesus is quite strong and I still agree that the weakest link is what is above. Most of what Carrier argues could possibly be true of any person who actually did exist. It's an interesting argument, but so are conspiracy theories.

@DavidWilsonJr

6 ай бұрын

Yep. I have addended this old note. I completely disagree with Carrier now, as I think it is ridiculous to argue against the evidence for the historicity of Jesus. @daniele.3361

@eccentricaste3232

6 ай бұрын

Appeal to authority.

@granthurlburt4062

6 ай бұрын

What matters is the facts. Criticizing what is believed using what we can can learn. it's only the last decades that people have been actively investigating Jesus in particular. A lot of those scholars and historans have been following the msinstream. Carrier's investigations are breaking new ground. H discusses what he is finding in this video. @@oscarleijontoft

@granthurlburt4062

6 ай бұрын

If you give close attn to what they actually write, in most cases, historians such as Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, wrote that Christians believe in a man called Jesus. They themselves never saw Jesus or even news about him, unless th eXtians provided news. Josephus never saw him Jesus's lifetime and one of the two entries abuot Jesus were inserted in Josephus after his death. @daniele.3361

@binomesprite7829

5 ай бұрын

@daniele.3361 Name them

I think its very telling the pains the gospels went through trying to get a peasant preacher from Nazereth to fit into the Messianic expectations of 1st centry Jews. If Jesus was pure invention, why not just have him born and raised in Bethleham with a clear lineage to King David? Why have him baptized like a normal sinning mortal? There's other examples, but this messiness directly in the early Christian writings strongly suggests there was a real preacher and his followers were having to do hard work to explain away the parts of his life which clearly didn't fit with what the Messiah was supposed to be.

“Everyone agrees” so you are everyone then?

@Irishmule169

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone he’s stating are certified historians... not delusional bias christians...

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@Dreammaster695

4 жыл бұрын

Do you both fancy him or something lol

@cv9624

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dreammaster695 Hahaha, that's your comeback? you didn't like the answers and you came back with, "do you fancy him?"

@Dreammaster695

4 жыл бұрын

C V what answers? A comeback to what exactly will I make a debate about how I don’t believe in Santa Claus? The person in this video is a fool I am studying Jesus Christ so I think I should why if it’s some make up character he isn’t thanos or iron man he’s as real as you and me!

Hi Scott. (0 years ago, I was born a cradle Catholic. I was schooled Catholic, but began doubting bible stories at around 8 years of age. Didn't put it all behind me until age 20. Too bad we have 1 dumped on as as small defenseless children. Have often wondered how many adults would 'take to it' if they weren't subjected to it til adulthood.

@parktop

8 жыл бұрын

This is a sort of brainwashing. If almost everyone around you seems to believe in a certain something, as a child, you will assume it is true. If you were raised in the U.S., you are probably christian. If you were raised in Iran, you're probably muslim, etc etc.

@MrQuantumBob

7 жыл бұрын

Well, let's face it. If the bible had been unknown, and someone would have first found a bible years ago, it would probably have been dismissed as a quaint, ancient relic. It lives on, because people have been teaching it to their children for thousands of years. The same for all the other religions.

@peezyworld420

7 жыл бұрын

+Dennis Glodzik yeah except Jesus did exist so now you can do what you want with that.

@detroitboy65

7 жыл бұрын

Prove it.

@billwalkerable

7 жыл бұрын

Lol. I wish you good luck in getting that proof you're awaiting.