Echos are a Japanese brand and Japan is know for high quality due to their perfectionist culture.

I in the past year, I converted from Stihl to Echo. Not picking a fight, just sharing my story. I had a old Stihl 036 pro and a ms310. Both were good saws, and never had a problem. Bought my dad a MS 250, and he had starting issues, and when I looked for smaller saw for me, I decided to try a Echo CS 400, and WOW! What a great 40cc saw, starts great, cuts through larger stuff than what I should have put it in, and I was so impressed, I bought the CS590 Echo Timberwolf...........and holy crap! It smoked my larger Stihl saws in power and speed of cut. That saw is a beast. Starts easy. I sold both of my Stihls and my dad sold his and bought both a 400 and a 590 too. End of story.

@wewouldneversellourclubfor3166

Жыл бұрын

The echo are more reliable than the stihl.

@jeffb4229

Жыл бұрын

I now have an Echo Cs400 and love it

As a Stijl tech, I can say from my experience most times a unit fails is because the owner doesn’t maintain the equipment.

@ChilleDxFighteR

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Donald I got a Stihl saw from my dad that he got from my great uncle they didnt maintain it much if at all i took it over and its great its its older than i am

@graycloud057

4 жыл бұрын

I also agree that it’s the way a machine is maintained. Stihl makes a superior product!

@gregy1570

4 жыл бұрын

Stihl tech you mean? can't even spell the name of your own brand??

@Bigmike3406E

4 жыл бұрын

I switched to Husqvarna Xp saws years ago and never looked back . I have 2 372xps 1 288xp a 390xp and a 395xp and never had a problem with any of them .

@tropicthunderbolt

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bigmike3406E xp's r the way to go. I'd buy a xp any day of the week over a free anything..even stihl... a little pricey. But they don't come with lots of or any for that matter, complaints...even over long periods of time...

I've had a Stihl chainsaw for about four years, and I've had to repair it several times, for the money I expected more from it, you're right about the quality these days.

@teardropp7471

2 жыл бұрын

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@CalebJesse2007

2 жыл бұрын

9 times out of 10 that a stihl saw diesnt work it is cause it is not taken care of

@harisyoung4110

Жыл бұрын

@@CalebJesse2007 Mine 661 experienced got a problem with ignition coil twice before with original parts bought from stihl dealer, broke a clutch spring once, and got a problem with idle timing which has been fixed by replacing m tronic solenoid.. so how this can be "taken care" to avoid this type of costly problem ? isn't that the quality of the parts issue ?

@CalebJesse2007

Жыл бұрын

@@harisyoung4110 What kind of work were you doing with the 661, and how long everyday were you doing it?

@harisyoung4110

Жыл бұрын

@@CalebJesse2007 i do arborist and logging.. 661 not too frequent being use, it has 32inch bar on it, so i only use it to cut big tree.. lot of the time the smaller ms250 are being use.

One thing that I have started doing is buying non-ethanol fuel. It helps a heap.

@EricRush

5 жыл бұрын

Non-ethanol is the key for smooth operation of all small engines. It got to where I could take apart the carbs on my saw, outboard motors, motor scooter, ATV, and generator and put them back together blindfolded. (Well, almost.) Switched to non-ethanol a few years ago and haven't touched a carb since, except to clear the high-speed jet on my Stihl exactly once.

@5_fun_facts123

5 жыл бұрын

You hit the nail on the head. That 10% ethanol in regular fuel is corrosive and ruins fuel systems if they sit for a long time.

@djangoapple8230

5 жыл бұрын

Your gonna find out soon enough that non ethanol ain't enough. It's bad engineering. Here's the first sign of good quality going to shit: Think back to when anything of good quality started going down hill and what was directly associated with it. It's the introduction of good machinery into "Big Box Stores". Ace Hardware has just recently started carrying Stihl. Gone to shit. Just be mindful of other things that have and will take that path.

@3basketliving

5 жыл бұрын

This is true for ALL small engines....no matter the equipment. That ethanol gums up everything.

@breeze787

5 жыл бұрын

That is so further from the truth you guys are all passing "bad" ethanol info. Gasoline all by itself can go bad. Gasoline doesn't need any help from ethanol to go bad because gasoline goes bad all by itself just by sitting there. I purchased my home in 2002 and everyone of my original small engines (Honda weed whacker, Honda riding lawn mowers, California trimmer, Ryobi blower, Troybilt shredder, Honda 20" lawn mower, Honda power washer, Ryobi rear tine tiller) carry left over gas through the winter period including the entire 15% of ethanol that supposedly wrecks your small engine equipment. In most cases I start all of the above with the 1st pull yeah including the Troybilt shredder with a Kohler engine. I stop using my lawn equipment for all of approximately 6 months from about November to and through to April or May and have not had any problems with any of my garden equipment where ethanol would be the culprit. You guys are getting your information anecdotally from other gasoline opinions here on youtube and none of them are true because they are like yours all made up. You guys don't know squat about ethanol and shame on your for blasting your mouth off and passing information not based on facts.

If you're in your 50s you been alive long enough to know quality. Today's products are junk.

@drummerboy6843

5 жыл бұрын

J F your right! I still use the same homelite XL my daddy used in the 70’s Lol it still gets the job done if you take care of your tools it will last!

@jameskelman9856

5 жыл бұрын

Best chainsaw of the 60's and 70's was pioneer!

@JF-fx2qv

5 жыл бұрын

@@jameskelman9856 Just think they are still out there and are still running.

@dr.thunder2632

5 жыл бұрын

I'm 16 and I can see what you mean. But I have a husky 141 and a 240, surprisingly both are fairly equal in build quality

@Quinncannon

5 жыл бұрын

@@JF-fx2qv We used them for logging, top of the line in their day!

I have an Echo cs500evl that I've had for 25 or so years. Before that it was my step dad's who bought it new in 1982. It's the only saw I've ever owned. I've cut all my heating wood with it for years and even logged with it for several years. I use both 16 and 20 inch bars.

He's right. Advoko Makes (Bushcraft KZreadr) was running two Stihl chainsaws and one broke, but the 20 year old one kept going. He contacted STIHL support and they said it was the gas/oil mixture to blame. When he told them he was using the same mixture on both his chainsaws and the 20 year old STIHL was working fine, they didn't have an answer. He took the newer, broken chainsaw apart and found the piece that was broken. It turns out that STIHL has outsourced some of their production to Qingdao, China. Yet another company takes the dive in quality by outsourcing to shoddy, slave-like labor in China to turn a quick buck. I'm done with STIHL.

@andybub45

2 жыл бұрын

Echo too has Chinese factories. Also, most Stihl saws are still made in the US or Germany, other than the cheap homeowner saws.

I've got an Echo 309 and 310 cutting wood way too big for the saws but just keep going , I will upgrade next year to a bigger Echo I'm completely sold on them

The chicken interruption was hilarious hehe

I've had my Stihl 041 for 38 years and still cut a couple of cords a year. Never a problem.

@111day1

5 жыл бұрын

I had one of those back in the day. Very fast.

@JourneyNorthAK

4 жыл бұрын

0 series were good... ms series is junk

@kevinkollman9162

4 жыл бұрын

@@JourneyNorthAK Nah' their all scream for me'026' ms201' ms261' ms390' ms362' ms461 // one coil went out of one' bout it //

@trumpjongun8831

4 жыл бұрын

@@JourneyNorthAK I've been using Stihl saw's almost 20 years, Ms250 and Ms251, never had any reliability issues, great saw's.

@usaisalwaysnumber1

3 жыл бұрын

STIHL is the saw!!!

Echo makes great chainsaws. Owned CS-440 for years and still in top shape

Ive had echo chainsaws for years for commercial use ,best saws I've ever had ,but there again it's what you expect with anything out of the land of the rising Sun.

I'd definitely get an Echo saw. I've had one of their straight shaft trimmers almost 18 years and it's been flawless!! Highly recommend!

*If you own any equipment no matter what brand and you don't know how to maintain and tune it it's not going to run perfect forever. Most sithl complaints are user error and ignorance.*

I used echo for 20 as a professional arborist and never had an issue with them ever. I tried the other so called best saws and always went back to echo. I loved them and they never seem to die. ever.

@jeffvw1994

5 жыл бұрын

I've got a couple of them, a 40 and a 60 and love them. Cut about 6 cords a year with them.

@oliverm5sc

4 жыл бұрын

@@sunnydays4966 Home Depot does sell Echo but there are a lot of Echo dealers who sell them for the same price. Way better to get them from a dealer

Echo's are very well made and I was happy on how it performed until it was stolen.

Owned Stihl saws all my life including new models (in last 2 years). Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you might want to learn how to tune up a saw. Just sayin.

@green-zone36

3 жыл бұрын

I use Sthil professional and Husqvarna professional. The ability to tune, unless you modify it, has been removed. With auto-tune

I bought my first stihl 4 years ago. It cuts great when it runs but it only runs when it wants to. Its a small MS211 and its in the shop right now. I just bought a small Echo and I love it.

@sirvozelo1

Жыл бұрын

I have the Stihl MSA 220 C and 161T for about 2.5 years so far I am 100% happy, 6 months ago I buy the MSA300 I can't complain except the batteries on this one don't last long.

I have several echo products and they work great with very little maintenance

I have been running a saw pretty regular for 27 years at work. We used to use husqvarna and they worked ok. We changed to Stihl for around 6 or 7 years and always had problems. The last few years we use echo and I love them.

For my 15th birthday my father bought me a brand-new Homelite chainsaw. 16” bar and this was before “safety chainbrake”! After a bit of instruction from him I worked unsupervised felling trees, cutting ,splitting, hauling, firewood... I have been doing this for over 4 decades. Now I .run a Stihl saw. There are a few good manufacturers out there.. Play safe!

@fanman8102

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I learned to cut wood on an old Homelite and it definitely was not lite. We would cut wood all day and thing would wear me out!

@donaldhofman296

5 жыл бұрын

Back in the 60s, my dad bought a c- 52 homelite my brother in law is still using it! It runs just like it did 50 some years ago! Also the engines weren't designed to run with alcohol in the gas and it destroys them!

@72timhall

5 жыл бұрын

How are you able to run a chain saw for over 40 years without hurting your hands?I'm having a hard time with half your experience

@donaldhofman296

5 жыл бұрын

@@72timhall I just retired last year but I still cut firewood for myself and a few widows so they can stay warm!

This happens in EVERY consumer product. Large companies like Stihl have people who find ways to cut costs in manufacturing and a newer company to the market (Echo) makes sales because they have reduced profit to take a share of the market.

@BLAM777

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@hamedizzy5137

Жыл бұрын

Echo is very old

@hamedizzy5137

Жыл бұрын

They're actually making a come back

I love my Echo. Mine chainsaw is smaller than yours. It's a fickle to start if you don't know how to start it. It cuts like a beaver and I can cut whatever size tree I encounter.

my dad was a big echo fan. I love stihl but started running a husky 395xp last week and love it. great show

I have a 039 sthil it’s been a good one still using it my dad bought a new saw 3 years ago and nothing but problems we been sthil family for years I bought a echo just like yours for a pinch saw now I use the echo all the time I love it

All its about brother, is maintenance. keep you're coil clean, you're carb, air filter, fuel line, fuel filter, Good ethanol free fuel, spark plug etc., they will run forever. I'm a Stihl, Husqvarna, and an Echo man. Their all great and they all don't run at all if you don't take care of them. The word of the day is: MAINTENANCE.

@stillthepillar684

5 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you get machines with defective parts that wont all out fail but are a massive pain in the azz and very difficult for a novice to troubleshoot. And those scenarios exist with every single brand of anything under the sun. You'll hear the horror stories then be like, well I never went through that with mine. Just luck of the draw.

@rodwells15

5 жыл бұрын

It's not about maintenance Whit, as Briggsy said,Stihl are a piece of shit. I've had 4 of them and not one of them has been reliable. They won't run , won't start and when it does run it won't stay running. All of them were maintained meticulously to no avail. They are the most overrated heaps of junk ever made. Never again will I ever buy another or for that matter ever use one again. Absolute crap. To anyone looking to buy a chainsaw, steer clear of STIHL otherwise you'll continually regret it. Buy an Echo instead and you'll never regret it.

@mikeparker5008

5 жыл бұрын

@@rodwells15 You're fucking nuts, such a blanket statement. I guess you are buying consumer line products, not pro models. ECHO beats Stihl - LMFAO!!!!!! I take my MS290 out on our property, we have SO much fun! 10 cords per year, every year....for 5 years....NO work stops for saw problems. You almost sound like a racist, you're so "anti". Bet you did not maintain your equipment, buddy...that is usually what shuts you down. Sad sack.

@mikeparker5008

5 жыл бұрын

PS....I live in rural Maine. Shizz is for real, bub.

@rodwells15

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikeparker5008 Get a grip Mike, You'd be one of these fella's who bag G.M. or Ford products without ever owning one wouldn't you. So you've had a good run out of a Stihl have you, well aren't you fortunate. Most people don't . I have owned Husky's, Stihl's and Echo's and the Echo shits all over the other 2. Both were pro models and I still have them but i'll take one of them with me for a backup. I never need them fortunately. Do you always assume other people who you don't agree with must be doing something wrong. Keep your hand off your cock wanker . Not everyone has had your good fortune. I live in Australia where hardwood is hardwood not that softcock wood you have in America. The Echo eats the Hardwood eucalyptus and the stihl can't handle it....without protesting. By the way, dipstick, have you cut wood here in Australia as I have cut wood there in The US. Then you'd know the difference.

McCulloch Promac 610 w 28” bar run No ethanol fuel 50:1 ! Owned this saw since new in 87 and it still runs like a champ

I have used both stihl and Husqvarna saws but a few years ago I switched to Echo and I can’t see any reason to go back. The Echo feels better built, because there’s no auto tune they are more reliable and they have a better warranty than the others

@williamglenn7488

2 жыл бұрын

my echo is a piece of shit

I just bought an Echo CS590. I was torn between the big 3 brands. I like Stihl but they sure don’t have the greatest reviews as before. I liked the Echo because it is lighter had a bigger engine than the others at the price point, and a five year warranty. It runs and cuts great. No regrets here.

Subscribed. In the market for a new saw for the farm/ranch. I was aiming for a Stihl Farm Boss, but the one my friend let me borrow was a little slower cutting than I had hoped and he told me if I needed to take it into the shop while using it , he would pay for it. Any recommendations of the Echo 490 or 590?

For a professional timber saw, the Stihls are top of the line. Maintenance is key and using fresh gas properly mixed is a must. I've ran all the major brands since the '70's, for me, the Stihls are the best. My back up Stihl 66 is sixteen years old, the newer one, a 660 is just eight years old. Awesome saws. The little farm or home owner saws might be a different story.

@joshlower1

Жыл бұрын

Echos are far superior for less money. Keep getting price gouged I won't.

@Quinncannon

Жыл бұрын

@@joshlower1 No getting gouged, still running the same Stihl's, they've paid for themselves many times over. I'm talking about big timber saws. Just normal maintenance.

@joshlower1

Жыл бұрын

@@Quinncannon I run big timber saws for a living pal. Echos run just as good if not better for less money. Sorry I'm just not buying into the stihl cult/ religion/ wank off to your stihl like it's some kind of God bullshit.

@Quinncannon

Жыл бұрын

@@joshlower1 I'm speaking from experience too, I worked in the timber as a faller for many years. These are just machines, nothing to be angry about, if you don't like Stihl, fine with me. By the way, you do realize this video is four years old? Have a blessed day.

Own a little MS181 16" for home use myself and its been fine for what i personally need but can rate the echo brand pretty good, we run five of the 620xp 20" in the business 5/7 and they're pretty solid saws. Had one dropped out of a 60 footer and not a mark on it. Wouldn't recommend ever trying it but hey, saw survived. Bigger saws are stihl, 66 n 88 for bigger trees. Have a couple of echo top handles which are OK but a bit underpowered, the climbers prefer the stihls although the echos are lighter. Never tried a husky but thinking about it. Thanks for the vid and keep on cutting, buddy!

@slimjim7411

4 жыл бұрын

I would avoid Husqvarna's if they say "X-torque" on them. It's a bad design to attempt to get around the EPA, and there is a reason you can pick them up cheap, and refurbished any day of the week. Older Husqvarna's are great saws.

LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! My little Stihl 12” electric chain saw. Husband has dementia and unable to operate a gas saw any longer so it’s up to my 74 year old bones to keep up our supply of wood for the wood stove. I mark the dead trees with an orange ribbon in the summer and weather permitting, over the river and thru the woods I go and cut for just a couple of hours if I want to walk upright the next morning.

@daleval2182

2 жыл бұрын

Good woman be safe, take yer time, maybe time just get a young fella sell you few cords

@travischaddock4826

2 жыл бұрын

Stihl just release a little electric pruning saw. 8" bar, handheld. I think its a gt 36 is the model I could be wrong. I'm a dealer in oregon and I literally cannot keep them on the shelf

@erikkrushelnytskyy6124

2 жыл бұрын

Is that your fucking life

@davidwillard7334

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikkrushelnytskyy6124 WHAT ! Age ! Are ! You ! Then !!??

What model were u having problems with.

I have three Stihl consumer grade chainsaws - one of them melted down after 12 years of use. The other two still going strong. Never used Echo but I'm glad to hear it works for you.

I was all set on getting a Stihl for my first chainsaw, the Husqarvana swayed me their way with their reputation, but ECHO just nailed it for me. I just ordered one tonight catching a good Columbus Day Sale. I got about $100 off their already low price and free shipping. ECHO just earned it's place among the top 3 manufacturers.

Always run premium non ethanol gas. Saws always run awesome with premium oil too

My dad always ran echos since I was a kid. He had a landscaping/general contracting business. We’ve been running our cs300 top handle for years w no problems and I’m very impressed w it. Also have a cs400 that’s at least 5 years old if not 10 and it’s great, has never let us down. Then we have an OLD 660elv echo. It’s a 1987 model or older. It’s got a 64cc on it w a 27in bar and it’s an animal. Runs like a champ after all these years and hogs through everything.

I have an echo 620PW and it's great. My next saw purchase will either be a 361P or a 355T for something lighter when I'm cutting up small stuff.

@patrickd4699

3 жыл бұрын

I have the CS620P, an older model cs500P, and the cs2511. They are all great saws. Check out the cs2511, it is an amazing little saw.

Small two strokes are the simplest things to keep running. Maintain you shit it will work when you need it.

@ardianblakaj

3 жыл бұрын

Hes not satisfied with stihl but with an cheap echo witch tells you much

@ronbrown2770

3 жыл бұрын

@@ardianblakaj I'm a Husky man, Stihl is overpriced for what you get. Most saws are built in China nowadays anyway.

@ardianblakaj

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronbrown2770 i have both stihl for small work and the husky's for bigger wood and i love the husky more but even if they are made in china there are made some parts not the full chainsaw wich breaks after 5 chords

@ronbrown2770

3 жыл бұрын

@@ardianblakaj My brother and I as an experiment bought a couple of china saws a few years back. My brother bought the 52cc 20inch bar saw he paid 90 bucks new I picked up the 80cc 28-inch bar saw, I paid 185.00 plus shipping. we both ran these saws hard the 80cc was the first one to fail The piston retainer clip was not properly installed, it tore up the cylinder FUBARed. The 52cc saw is still running strong but the plastics are falling off cracking, but, for a 90 dollar saw it's impressive. For a home saw they are just fine, but as an Arborist, I have to trust my saws.

@ardianblakaj

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronbrown2770 maybe few years back they were better i have two stihl 260 and a 450 Chinese they both failed on me after 4 or 5 chords of wood maybe its a luck thing but i dont trust them anymore

Love my Echo. The dealership I bought it from also sells dollar and husky, and I chose echo after talking to the repair guys. From what they said, dollars run a little higher RPMS but don't last as long. They said echo's run a little slower than some saws and they seemed to think that was a big reason they run forever. I've cut 4-5 cords yr for 6 years on my Echo 450 and it starts on the second pull every time. I did replace some tensioner parts 2 years ago, but that was no big deal. Love my Echo

Is it user friendly? Easy to maintain and service at the user level ? I know they are also quieter than stihl which I like ?

I’m a woman and I bought my first chainsaw in 2012. I did a lot of research and I chose a Poulan Pro 16” 35cc with low vibration. I clean her after almost every use, and effectively can use the files and such. I’ve had her serviced once and even now, 8 years later, she’s a good saw. I’ve heard people put down PP as a crap brand. Maybe Stihl isn’t what it once was. Sad, I was hoping to one day have one.

I switched from Stihl to Echo and absolutely love it! 👍

Echo. Nuff said.

My dad has had an Echo saw for close to 4 years. Very much like yours, and I like it alot. I have a friend who has a tree removal business and all he uses are Stihl saws. However, his are the commercial grade, and ive used them quite a bit. I like both brands, but like you said, it just depends on you prefer

What model did you have?

I think those chickens are Husqvarna fans LOL LOL

@danfoley4928

5 жыл бұрын

Isaac Reichard n

@rubentrujillo5619

5 жыл бұрын

Chickens are smart because husky r bad ass kicking stilth saws ass

@Archangel73146

5 жыл бұрын

Lol. Those chickens voicing their opinion.

@jamieedwards799

5 жыл бұрын

Those chickens/Rooster strongly voiced there opinion after he said husqvarna...They must be stihl fans

I run the echo 440 and just picked up lightly used 590 for 250.00 😀 echo is a good saw

@patrickd4699

3 жыл бұрын

The 590 is a great saw.

I was firefighter for about 10 years. We used Husqvarna saws on our trucks, and they were very dependable. I was so impressed with their quality, and the fact I was used to that saw. I bought one for myself.

@Chris_at_Home

2 жыл бұрын

I have 3 of them a 141,55 and 465. I carry the 55 on our Ranger or behind the snowmobile on a sled going to our cabin. It starts and runs in pouring rain and covered in snow. We carry the 141 on raft trips for campfire wood. The big one is for the big old birch trees at our cabin.

@jonerrek7806

2 жыл бұрын

Here in the Sierras, my understanding is the loggers prefer Husqvarna.

Bought a 029 farm boss in 1998. Not a world beater, but one fuel line, and one lube pump, 21 years and 65 cords of oak, still fires on the second pull. Hope I never have to replace it.

@JourneyNorthAK

4 жыл бұрын

0 series were great saws.... ms series are junk

I'm still a fan of stheil, however, recently I've had experience with Echo and I was pleasantly surprised over and over with it's performance. I now tell people, "Echo makes a nice little saw" whereas before I just lumped them in with all other consumer brands.

The heart of any chainsaw is the engine. The foundation that every chain saw engine is based on was developed by Sachs-Dolmar. Makita later bought out Dolmar. They made the best, using very high quality parts made to consistent tolerances. A good Sachs engine will last over 1200 hours and be brought back to life by just changing the piston ring and rebuilding the carb. Companies that have followed the Sachs engine design are Echo, Husky, Shindawa, and previously Stihl. Chinese chain saws often use engines of dubious to poor quality due to metallurgical and design alterations made to cut production costs. With regards to Stihl, I agree they are not making products as good as they used to be. I recently worked with a homeowner that got rid of his fairly new 20"Stihl because a 30 year old Echo 16" I brought back to life for him significantly out performed his Stihl.

@litewatefitr

3 жыл бұрын

This is VERY interesting! Thanks for sharing that! Anywhere you can send me to learn more about chainsaw design lineages??

@georgedavall9449

2 жыл бұрын

‘ Dol-Kita s ‘ are the best, or they were. Makita killed off the saws, as well as the other gas OPE. BOOoo to Makita! R.I.P. Dolmar

I have a Husqvarna 460 and a smaller one with a 16 inch bar. I leave them sitting for long periods of time with ethanol gas and they always start. I’m taking about years. But what I really wanted to talk about is my Echo CS400 I bought about 4 years ago. I wanted a smaller saw to go up in trees with and just use for smaller jobs. Turns out the echo out cuts my 350 Rancher. I was shocked. Buy a chain like the tree guys use and man, that is a little beast. I Love it. It’s a lightweight Brute. Thanks for the video.

Great, introspective video. I was feeling overwhelmed buying a saw. Ended up getting a Craftsman 46cc 20” to do some work on my friend’s farm. They have a Husqvarna Rancher I was using, but it’s too big for limbing. I ALMOST got an Echo, but just wasn’t familiar with the brand. Thoughts on bar length? Didn’t see any with longer bars. Thought this might be an issue on a larger homestead where larger tree removal/plunge cutting might be necessary. Thank you for the great content

Japanese still take pride in manufacturing! That's an Echo

@rodx5571

5 жыл бұрын

Echo and Shindaiwa are the same company, That Shindaiwa DNA is what is taking Echo from a Good quality saw to a world class saw. Echo has always been good, But the latest iterations of Echo are so much better than they have ever been, and thats saying something.

@flash1034

4 жыл бұрын

So do the Germans.

Husqvarna 357xp is my main saw. Always starts and idles perfectly between cuts...monster power.

Bought a little Echo last year and it does good work. Loved you yelling at your chickens. :D

What do you think of Husqvarna chain saws

This video is hilarious. He starts by recommending a broken saw.....but says it is good.

@petermahoney636

4 жыл бұрын

This is a American Hillbilly film I can hear the wife in back ground. In Australia I use stilh ms66 for spitting iron bark gum tree's almost 7days a week for 38 months and husqarna 395 last 30 months with the some work load .so your bloody dreamen mate. Just listen to your wife. Onya mate

@marymarysmarket3508

3 жыл бұрын

@@petermahoney636 Stroppy..aren’t you?

@petermahoney636

3 жыл бұрын

@@marymarysmarket3508 only when I'm PISSED MATE

@petermahoney636

3 жыл бұрын

You yanks are a very strange breed of people. Only in America

Everyone complaining about maintenance if that is the issue the echo would be having all the same issues wouldnt it or does it just require less maintenance to run as good cause its the same guy maintaining both saws one is performing while the other did not.btw not a fan boy so give that up im just looking for info on my first real saw purchase above home owner grade

@davidwillard7334

2 жыл бұрын

You can only go with a Saw ! That's Right ! For ! You !! Regardless ! Of ! BRANDS !!

Travis is that saw still a go now four years later?

Your chickens are your studio audience to give the real feel and sound of farm life, just love it Bro!!!

i still have 3 Homelite XL 12's and they still run good

Twenty years ago Echo went through the same thing Stihl is going through now. They lost their quality and reliability. Now they are back in the game and making a good product. We used to look for Echos from the 70's and early 80's and they are still in use today. I also have an older Stihl that runs like a champ, not like these new ones.

Ive had MS 290 Farm boss, GREAT saw, non ethanol works great or and the 50:1 stuff that you can buy in a can. Whatever saw or tool you may have, schedule a reminder on your smart phone to remind you to START at least ONCE a month during off season, tbey WILL ALWAYS START and work GREAT.

My dad had a old sthil farm boss. Served us well for many years with no problem. I bought 2 stihl chainsaws and a weedeater 5 years ago. Nothing but trouble. Sthil quality has definitely gone down hill. Sold the weedeater. I now have a milwaukee battery weedeater. Same power and always ready. In the process of selling my chainsaws and getting echo.

I run a sthil Ms 260 same saw for the last 10 years I'm on my second plug and bar always starts my advice pay the extra get forestry line

@kohliaten2298

4 жыл бұрын

One of the best chainsaws ever

@ivanfitch9158

4 жыл бұрын

I like mine so much I just picked up a new 462 what a saw!!

I have stihl saws that I have used almost every day Monday through Friday for years. I only use stihl oil and premium fuel. No complaint as for last ability

@panchovilla3493

3 жыл бұрын

U dont buy pre mix?

@eyeswideopenz

3 жыл бұрын

pancho villa I have found pre mix to be convenient but costly. So mixing fuel is really no problem, I would mix 20 litre’s each time. That would last about 2 weeks. I have a 460 made in Germany that l have been using for about 5 years with no issues. It’s a little heavy but it’s really a great workhorse

Same thing with snapper lawnmowers. My neighbor had one for 10 years and no real issues so I bought one. Mine lasted 10 months be for it started falling apart. I sold it and paid a high-school kid to mow my yard. Same thing with Volvo cars, bought my wife a used one and no real issues for years. Then years later bought another, POS.

Echo products always 'START' ! No problems ! Very reliable !

I don't care what brand saw you use, if you run fuel with ethanol you'll have trouble. Echo is a good saw but it's heavier than a Stihl pro saw. Stihl, like all companies has fallen into the trap of trying to sell to the entire market. Their cheaper saws carry the Stihl reputation and name recognition but they are ruining the brand rep by selling saws to meet price.

@sawsurgeon

5 жыл бұрын

pyromedichd1 :: Great comment you’ve made here. This is effecting the Big Two manufacturers the most. With nearly 30 years under my belt with several major brands, I’ve seen every brand succeed and every one fail at some point. Echo, Husqvarna, STIHL and Dolmar. Dolmar is the only brand I never gave a second chance to. Everything else has served us well. It’s likely Dolmar would have as well, just poor dealer support in our vicinity. Thanks for sensible input! Be Blessed!

@halshaw3919

5 жыл бұрын

I have run regular gas mix (ethanol included) in all of my saws and other 2 stroke engines for over 30 years with no problem. I have never had to rebuild a carb due to problems with gaskets or seals. I do use Sta-bil in all of my gas but nothing else. If anyone is making equipment today that can not tolerate ethanol, it is probably junk anyway.

@pyromedichd1

5 жыл бұрын

@@halshaw3919 IF you run your saws often and use up the ethanol fuel in them so it doesn't sit for months in disuse you are far less likely to encounter the common problems with ethanol in fuel. Most problems come when ethanol fuels undergo phase separation which incorporates water in the fuel with the result of corrosion. Newer saws and equipment are made with rubber parts that better tolerate ethanol, but almost all rubber will eventually be affected by ethanol at some point in time. You may be fortunate to own newer equipment with parts that are more ethanol tolerant, however, may people own equipment that is still in good working order that is 30 years or more old. That equipment will be affected far more by ethanol in fuel. One argument that cannot be disputed, ethanol in fuel will undergo phase separation if left it sit long enough, with resulting associated problems to follow.

The 562 husquvera XP is what I run 8 1/2 hour away five days a week it reliable fast worth the investment

@jimhofoss9982

3 жыл бұрын

bought another husqvarna after last one stolen from pickup. now run a 555 autotune xp. put a 24” bar on it. for the weight power ratio, it is great for a firewood saw. can run it all day without wearing ones self out. Have run jonsenreds, pioneer, homelites, stihls while falling and bucking for a living....but always come back to husqvarna. had a 288 husky for bucking, that thing cut like a hot knife thru butter with a 404 skiptooth and rakers filed down low...talk about bite. cheers!

@keepingthefaith9041

2 жыл бұрын

Same for our family. Husqvarna. Has never let us down.

Had a bad experience buying a new Stihl, wouldn't start and idle correctly from day I purchased it. Returned it 3x before selling it cause the dealership couldn't get it right and last time they wanted to charge me a shop charge on a new saw that I hadn't used yet. Sold it and bought a Timnerwolf and no troubles yet. Sent it to Iowa Performance Saw's for a muffler mod and tune it's a torque monster, cuts anything. I'm loving it so far

Great saw have the same one been cutting around 6 to 8 cords for 9 years with it never failed or been in the shop just works

All my chainsaws are Echoes and I really do like them, I have a Stihl brushcutter and leaf blower and theyre decent quality BUT after a few years, I am not able to get spare parts and it's a Damm shame!! Have been able to get parts for the 30+ year old Saw but not for the 8 year old Stihl products!

@frankrosenberg8277

5 жыл бұрын

Stihl have chain saw and back leaf blower nothing but trouble had back for repairs multible times. When got them home same o prob cant start. Maybe once apon a time they were good but now garbage.

EPA have changed the game so don't expect any saw to last the 25 to 40 years that they used to, every major manufacturer has been forced to re design their products thus leading to out sourcing components most of which are made in China even if they are assembled in Switzerland or Germany. Sadly it is all part of the throw away society we live in... One only has to look in the catalouges of the major manufacturers to see the fancy new names they give to dulled down versions of inadequate equipment... Like X TORQUE for example.. Which means highly restricted and regulated chainsaw. It is a sad day when to get the best you have to go with a clone made in China of an older model.........

Thanks for your review and you are right these are good little saws I bought a CS410 at an estate sale for $15.00 bucks what a steal and I love it starts every time and runs strong too.

I currently own an ECHO chainsaw and it's working fantastic. It's been 5 years and never had a hiccup with it yet.

My old man was complaining about the drop in quality of StIhl saws 20 years ago, loved his sachs-dolmar.

@oliverm5sc

5 жыл бұрын

He's right, somewhere around 20 years ago is when Stihl started making low quality saws and getting worse every year

Thank you for making the video - most enlightening. I've got 5 Stihl chainsaws - from my experience the Stihl chainsaws that are "Made in Germany" are the problem free, good quality ones that go on & on.....(unfortunately they tend to be the higher end, more expensive models). Of course these days it goes without saying that using pre-mixed, ethanol free fuel, like Stihl MotoMix is essential. Cuts out a whole lot of trouble. Many thanks......all the way from London !

@trumpjongun8831

4 жыл бұрын

I've had 2 Stihl chainsaws in last 20 years, Ms250 and Ms251, great saws and never had any reliability issues. Both made in Germany.

@davidb9323

2 жыл бұрын

261CM and enjoy it. Had to pay the money for the features I wanted. The smaller homeowner saws were kind of gimmicky

Was it new when it was acting up? I've had an 095 Farm Boss for over 25 years with no problems! I've also left it with fuel in it for over a year without use and it cranked after three pulls, which surprised me!

Owned my Jonsered 680 for 30 years now, always starts on the first pull, nothing we've had compares to the power, reliability and performance.

Both of my pro Stihls work great never had to bring them in at all. You do every day work you need a pro line saw.

@turtlezed

5 жыл бұрын

ditto...i only use the 'pro' range i have 4 Stihl's and they are great....My Husky is a beauty too.....i think you're using the 'home user' versions lower down the price range, more plastic, cheaper made....why they even make them is beyond me....if its destroying their rep like this.....proper chainsaw maintenance and knowing your saw is key.

@timberlinetactical

4 жыл бұрын

I can’t stand my husky and I ended up trading it for some engine work on a power washer. Granted i think it was the model and the previous owners maintenance that had more to do with it. My Stihl pro is the best saw I’ve ever had. I even love the micro processor controlled carb which I thought would be a nightmare.

Guys who generally use them professionally run the professional grade saws. Big difference between your pro grade models of stihl. My buddies who work at wright tree service in Minnesota and asphland also company in run nothing but stihl saws and would run nothing else. I like stihl saws, work great, easy to Maintain, but I also like echos a bunch, and huskies I own and use. My dad cuts wood during the week, alot, runs stihls but recently got a new 3cho 620p and it's a damn nice saw. Used it for a bit the other weekend, reminded me in feel to my husky, but longevity is yet to be seen. Maintenace is easy, decent design felt great worked great. You can dislike stihl for your needs, but consider your not using them daily all day long every day, topping trees, felling big trees, day in day out booms, power lines buildings, 110f in the summer to 20belownin the winter and they trust and run stihls. There's a reason bud. We don't have to get it, but there's a reason

@sawsurgeon

5 жыл бұрын

jcoopdo :: Finally a sensible comment... This video has brought out some crazy, rude and downright foolish comments and interactions. Yours is respectful and makes a great point. Be Blessed!

@danwolf307

5 жыл бұрын

You said it! I work for a tree service and we run stihl only. Personally i have used everything from a poulan "wild thing" to a husky 450 to an antique jonsered, echo, homelite and on and on. The absolute best saw you can buy is the one that works for you! As long as its a stihl..... jk

I have had trouble with Stihl chainsaw and weed eater..I wouldn't buy another Stihl

Agreed...My Dads 4yr old MS261 has been in twice. I've been running a 036 for 20yrs and only lately have had to tend it a bit more.

Have a Stihl 660 that I love but was to big for most things (in all fairness it works perfect). I bought an Echo 490 then a 310. Not sure I'd buy anything but an echo anymore. They both work flawlessly.

I've owned them all(almost). ALL the brands have their good models and their cheap models.

@Urbicide

4 жыл бұрын

That's correct. You can't honestly compare a professional grade chain saw to a homeowner grade, although both will cut wood. The pro saw will last longer & by design, is much easier to service than a homeowner type.0

i have an Echo that is 35 years old and it still runs like a champ! I am going to purchase a Stihl 661 today or tomorrow for my Alaskan Mill though...wish me luck!

@countryfriedent

2 жыл бұрын

How is that stihl doing? Just bought a echo timberwolf today.

Forty years ago Shaws Dolmar, now Dolmar, was one of the best I have used. I took one the the Alaska Bush when I moved there. Now I use Stihl mostly because at my age I have great luck starting the ones I own and they are dependable.

Echo saws are made by Yamabiko in Japan, the old Shidaiwa co. The're great saws but the parts are crazy expensive. The old timer down the road runs a cs 590 daily and loves it. It's powerful and its light.

@oliverm5sc

5 жыл бұрын

Oem parts for Echo saws cost less than Stihl and Husky oem parts. Its hard to find cheap aftermarket parts for Echo saws.

@michaelwolfordr1

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't know this I have owned a couple shidaiwa trimmer never has failed me, that's in 25 years. I used to pray it would quit, used to use it from sun up till dark. Best trimmer ever used and I have Stilh, echo husky, and a few other brands.

@Tonnsfabrication

5 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwolfordr1 Ya they made really excellent products. I misspoke a tad about Echo parts prices, I should have said they seem expensive compared to the initial cost of the saw. I helped the neighbor replace his 590 clutch drum and it seemed expensive to me @ $50.00 IMHO. He paid $380.00 for the saw new.

@scottmugford1123

5 жыл бұрын

Southeastern Ohio Honey Bees & BBQ yea that’s the saw I’m running right now to the echo cs 590 is a great saw no problem with it had it almost a year now

@Tonnsfabrication

5 жыл бұрын

@@scottmugford1123 It's a good saw.They make an after market clutch for it that uses a rim sprocket.

I agree 100%! I had a Stihl and an Echo at same time. Had to carry a screw driver in pocket when using the Stihl. Carburetor always needed adjustments every 5 minutes or so. Always cursing that saw! I sold it last Summer. Good riddance! I don’t think I’ve ever had to adjust the Echo. Never dies on me! I’m not sure how to shut off the Stihl. Never had to. Just set it down and in about 10 seconds or less, it would turn off all by itself. Lol!

@mikeparker5008

5 жыл бұрын

Guess you bought on the home owner end of the line. My contractor grade Stihl has far surpassed my expectations, as well as what I paid for it....it has repaid me a dozen times over.

@danielking3235

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao you don't know how to turn off the stihl . not site what still your talking about. There professional grade saws are junk. Especially the new climbing saw the t201. Freaking junk. I will go up against anyone with my echoo 355 -tand there stihl .a saw that is half the price and way stronger and faster cutting than a stihl .

8:20 peanut gallery in the background sounding off... too funny LOL!

Have you or any one you know have had any experience with Jonsereds chainsaws?

U would love the echo cs590

I own a tree service business and use Stihl only. Maintenance and upkeep is a major part of the upkeep of a saw. Every manufacturer has design flaws here and there. I started with Stihl in 2001 and continue. Some saws are easier to maintain not everyone is capable of doing work on stihls just like diesels. I would love to know what model you has as well as see your maintenance records on your stihls. I also would like to see what fuel you used.

@jerrybrandt9377

5 жыл бұрын

Then you know about the clogged filter . Get a husky or Dolmar and be done.I also have a tree service and use whatever starts and the stihl gets completely clogged with chips and doesen t like to start easy when climbing this can be an issue . All the power in the world but can't get the chips out like a husky

@farmall1farmall132

5 жыл бұрын

@@jerrybrandt9377 oh sure do know about them but require my guys every 2 weeks generally rainy days to clean up the saws and go over them not because they need it but because I'm anal about maintenance. As far as chips go if you consider that what makes husky best so be it. I look for longevity and reliability. Stihls been putting food on my table and keeping my bills paid that's all I can say. You keep your huskys I'll keep my Stihl we can't convince each other otherwise but if Stihl screws me and I convert I will be the first to admit it. I hope you have a prosperous New year.

@jerrybrandt9377

5 жыл бұрын

I have both names in the truck and I spend allot on filters for the stihls and the husky Wil go a season on same filter. I always wondered why stihl can't incorporate a similar design? Cause I run dolmar husky and stihl and love them all but I avoid that eco

@jerrybrandt9377

5 жыл бұрын

Where are you out of?

@farmall1farmall132

5 жыл бұрын

@@jerrybrandt9377 I'm in Virginia you?

I have cut firewood for myself for just over 40 years now, and I've only had two saws in that time. I bought a Jonsered 49SP in 1978, 20inch bar and three eighths chain. I still have it and use it on the bigger logs, have never done anything enginewise other than carb tuning and spark plugs. It's a real go-getter. In 2003 I bought a smaller, lighter Stihl MS250, 16inch bar and three sixteenths chain. Periodic tuning and spark plugs, and new gas filter and line in the tank, twice I think. So I've been pretty happy with my two saws.

I've got a Stihl I bought brand new in 2000. I've replaced the gas line once. Still runs great. Not giving it up. I also have a Jonsered. Same story, great saw.