We already knew why you switched within the first 5 seconds of the video. The Denons are better but you switched because that's what is already in the club. So, this video was about 8 mins too long.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi JohnSmith-kn5wt (who is definitely not JohnSmith-vz4sk who commented on this same video 5 days ago saying something similar) - thanks for creating a dummy account and giving my video an extra view 😂 Every little helps ;)

@JohannesNielsen

18 күн бұрын

​@ebow707 wait until Rekord box crashes

@ebow707

18 күн бұрын

@@JohannesNielsen oh no. Not experienced that yet but guessing it’s prone to it?

@JohannesNielsen

18 күн бұрын

@@ebow707 Rekord box is so prone to freezing and crashing that two of my mentors from Metorick records have swapped all the DJ's they manage over to Virtual DJ and Mad Racket (Simon Caldwell) who is still on tour has done the same.

This is a really interesting video. I thank you so much for posting this. My friend and I were actually talking about this the other day and thinking of purchasing Denon gear as we are PioneerDJ users 😊

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

No way! I’m interested.. what were your thoughts? And why were you considering it?

I've always felt that a good dj is one that can play using almost anything and still deliver a dope set. I feel modern djs are too reliant on modern technology and not the exciting challenge of creating a beautiful set regardless of what you use.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi chief - I understand that point it’s a really fair opinion. I’ve def fallen into the trap of being a modern DJ, far cry from just turning up with my records. The one thing I love about where the tech has gone is I love live remixing/ creating an edit of a track. Not saying you couldn’t still learn do that regardless of tech, but you definitely become more dependent on the tech for sure as the path of least resistance. Def with you on the main aim should be creating a beautiful set regardless ❤️

@ArnoldChitambira-nm3fi

Ай бұрын

@@ebow707 Yes I agree with you on this. Tech is really good and exciting for sure. I also love where things are going with tech. I just feel we can also maintain the authentic feel of live mixing with almost any hardware. I've seen an increasing number of djs who refuse to play if certain tech isn't there. They forget that almost 100% of the audience know nothing about the tech how it works. They just wanna have a good time. I do feel you on your point. Big up brother. ⚡👊🏾⚡

@LATRONNIK

Ай бұрын

yea people like dubfire or richie hawtin just use some crappy allen&heath controller and do crazy sets with them

@spacecy

16 күн бұрын

exactly my thoughts. take away all the non-essential features like, screens, auto-loops, etc.. and see how many DJs fail to mix properly. I'm glad i was able to learn to mix on very old hardware, learned the core basics that will allow me to mix on any equipment.

@ebow707

15 күн бұрын

@@spacecy feel you on that comment mate. You need your ears even today. I’m constantly stretching samples and sounds on the MPC which rely on being able to hear whether the sound is in time, too fast or too slow.

Excellent video and definitely a tough decision to make. Making the swap levels the playing field for you and makes you more flexible... Keep pushin bro 💥😎

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Yeah was tough. Got a bit of work to do now to get myself back up to speed!!!

This is why I want the RX3 Standalone controller... as close to a club setup as possible. I can't afford CDJ's, but best to learn on the Pioneer club eco system

@ebow707

15 күн бұрын

That makes sense. I definitely should have thought more like this when I was thinking about my set up.

Hi, useful video! I’m interested to know more about the competitions. Do you win slots to perform at different events?

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi chief. Yeah there are several going about and they give me something else to focus on as well as contacting promoters and networking. I Google them or you often see them advertised by venues /festivals on Insta. Eg there is one on Insta right now under the account ESSNCE for a slot at their launch tunnel club Birmingham. It’s on the date I’m getting married 😂

@JasonTheCosta

Ай бұрын

Thanks I’m defo gonna check them out and work towards it. Haha decisions decisions ..🤣

Hey there, Great Video, I am myself beginning in the industry (tho still on a Pioneer DDJ-RB) and this Video really helps in deciding whether to go the Denon or Pioneer route for the next upgrade...(Probably is going to be a DDJ-1000 or DDJ-FLX10) One recommendation for future videos: try putting some kind of limiter and/or compressor on your lav-mic to reduce the occurring clipping. (If the audio is already clipped at the recorder/camera/preamp, then try reducing that pre-amplification-level and add a compressor on the channel in post-production to get the volume you want) If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask... I'm already stoked to see your future videos on discovering the CDJ World. Have fun and keep pushing ! 🔥🔥🔥

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi - that is insane timing. I was cruising through Amazon looking for better mics cos I had issues with this one. I rarely speak on my videos so this area and knowledge is lacking - thanks so much for the advice:)

Denon was industry standard in the day. If fanboys would get off alpha-theta ( it’s not pioneer), Denon would likely be back in most booths.. Why because they make more creative DJ gear..They need to work on the quality but at the current price point I can replace two Denon Decks to one Aloha Theta.

@backofthehouse

10 күн бұрын

real quick... no one is going to be calling it AlphaTheta. it is and will always be Pioneer. kinda like when they tried to change the name of The Sears Tower

It's understandable. I made a partial swap to Pioneer, but it was adding an S11 and a CRSS12, for different reasons obviously. The quirks of each toolset are sort of beside the point. It will always be about the music and vibe.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Thanks chief. Especially your last comment. It’s my same music collection, same style etc so the vibe will remain the same…just a new tool :)

I went from CDJ 2000 Nexus 2 to Dennon with a SC5000 and. Master Sounds Rotary Mixer. I love my set up.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Ahh you've gone the other way. And that's a strong set up. How long did it take you to re-learn what you knew?

@sharrief36

Ай бұрын

@@ebow707 It took about a week figuring out all the features on the Denon SC5000. For me it was an easy transition. I learned to mix on Thorens TD 125 and if you can mix on those everything else is pretty easy. I like my pioneer set up, but pioneer needs to step it up on the CDJ’s. But the new rotary mixer that they have is nice and may get it in the future. I really wish Traktor Native instruments, would come out with a four channel mixer.

Best luck t you. More importantly and recognisably is your undeniable commitment to pursue a dream.... theres a lot who wouldnt. Kudos for that.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Thanks mate :)

Hey bro. Totally understand where your coming from. I'm currently on denon and have been considering changing only because of the fact that I get the opportunity I want to be ready also

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

You sound like me chief. I know I need to feel comfortable with something to take away that added pressure

@DJ.V.

Ай бұрын

@ebow707 totally get you bro. Love the technology of denon but if I get asked to play somewhere big then..... the fear is real 😊😉😉

@RichardFaulhaber

Ай бұрын

I rented some pioneer players after a few hours I had them figured out.

@DJ.V.

Ай бұрын

@@RichardFaulhaber I have had Pioneer in the past, just not CDJ's

finding myself in a similar situation, getting some CDJ’s but i don’t know if i can commit to the mixer

@ebow707

15 күн бұрын

That’s awesome! I’m loving them now I’m over the worst of it. Good luck chief!

All the very best in your decision and new tech. Pioneer gear more expensive, less feature rich on cdj’s but pioneer mixer way better. End of the day it’s down to the end user. You’ve chosen a new path, all the very best to you.

@ebow707

13 күн бұрын

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Everything you’ve said is spot on.

Same problem for me this weekend moving from prime 4 - to Pioneer 3000's I am petrified. and it's my first gig

@ebow707

4 күн бұрын

Oh really! Good luck, I hope it goes well and great work on getting the gig too! They can be hard to come by

How is Engine 'limiting' for you? I have at home Engine OS related gear, and in gigs of course the setup is always cdj2000/3000 and djm900nxs up. I play dnb and I have not encountered a single issue in years of having my setup like this... I don't know if it's because I come from vinyl but tbh I don't get why people make this subject their mártir, deep down is all the same... plus you listen with your ears, not your eyes

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi mate - thanks for the comment. I came from 1210s and before that belt drive Gemini PT2000 so only learned on vinyl. Two and a half years ago I changed to digital and a started a new journey so I understand your point and I think it’s important to have that foundation even if you are starting to learn today on digital only. Engine itself is not limiting - the choice is more of a comfort factor, and maybe I’m being a big baby about it 😂 I want to know that what I have practiced across the three decks and the MPC, is the same as in the club. There may be a point in the fact that I’m not as versatile as other DJs, so increasing familiarity with the tech made more sense for me, but get it’s drastic and there were other options.

Real djs can play on anything 😃best compliment I ever got was someone told me they thought i could play a pile of rocks #jussayin

@ebow707

4 күн бұрын

Haha - fair play and can’t argue with that. Different strokes for different folks :) #whatyoutalkinboutwillis

I respect your choice but I think THAT is the problem. We know which is better or like you said, "better for how you play" but if everyone keeps falling back to the so called "industry standard" how will we ever get Pioneer to raise the bar when its come to them putting out new gear??

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi mate - thanks for the balanced response. I honestly can’t argue with that. The challenge is in the grand scheme of things I am a no one, trying to get some gigs, which is tough enough as it is to try and stand out from the crowd. I fought the good fight years ago on a different scale when everyone was playing FIFA and we few chose PES. Similar thing - some things may be better than others but swimming against the current when almost everyone else is doing the other thing makes it tough. In that case I stuck to my guns because it didn’t matter - for this though, for any change to matter it needs to come from the top down, ie promoters, venues, big DJs. Having said all that…. yep I definitely feel like a sell out still 😂

@soundinsurgent712

Ай бұрын

@@ebow707 Naw you didnt sell out and I totally get it, keep rocking the tables/parties no matter the brand!! Respect from IOWA!!

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Respect back to you chief!

@personal-development-strategy

8 күн бұрын

@@ebow707Not to worry, when your bigger and more famous, you can insist that you want Denton gear in your setups otherwise your not playing haha. But for now we do what’s best for us, there’s nothing wrong with that. All the best bro

I would of gone to pirate studios for couple of hours with a usb pre exported from rekordbox see how they felt for you first , Im still on my turntables for now hopefully get some players in the very near future although ive ordered some control vinyl so might stick with the turntables and take my own advice 🤣🤣🤣

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Haha fair. Love that you are on turntables! I used Serato with time code vinyl for a while too. It’s a great half way house to keep that vinyl feel while freeing up the opportunity to download tracks from Beatport!

@Waxleyuk

Ай бұрын

@@ebow707 Ive got a ton of digital too as i have an sb controller so its all good never used dvs looking forward to it

I'm genuinely a Denon fanboy and still think it's the future. That said, for what it's worth, I respect his choices. Best of luck!

@ebow707

14 күн бұрын

Hey @saxyrep1 - thanks for the balanced view - appreciate it.

I come across you on a Denon fb group.I love and use Denon but have no aspirations to play in clubs…No hard feelings from me bro👊 …mans gotta do what a man’s gotta do…keep smashing the sets out 💪

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Cheers Chris. Yeah I remember seeing you on the Denon official group. Good to see you chief and thanks for the kind words :)

I mixed with my pioneer djm 600 for years paired with 1210’s and loved it. Never cared for cd’j or any digital. I still love and will always love vinyl Going to shop to buy Getting in post Opening for first time Placing that special vinyl on deck Artwork etc But I’ve unfortunately had a long break from dj’ing and now I’m looking to get back into it and I decided to go digital. I’m still keeping my turntables but as I really can’t play loud music, I’ve opted to buy the Denon sc live 4 standalone controller with built in speakers (don’t laugh) but they may be quiet enough for me to get back to the thing I love. I don’t need laptop, extra speakers and I can even use a power bank and mix in my garden kitchen or even go over the park. I almost bought pioneer standalone controller or cd’j 3000 but as I can’t play loud music and the Amazon music unlimited really appeals to me and sc live 4 only cost me £900 Cd’j are £2000 plus each Denon prime 4 plus is £2000 Pioneer standalone from £1500- around £2,800 Considering I can’t play loud, I think I made right choice. I just stumbled across these 2 incredible U.K. garage compilation cds on Amazon and they have so many songs from my teens and both cds have 60 odd tracks. Can’t wait to mix em. Oh and I hope you enjoy your pioneer setup. If you was getting rid and had the Denon lc6000? The player without the screen, I would have offered to buy them from you. If anyone sees this, is it worth buying the Denon LC6000 to go with Denon sc live 4? I understand they don’t have all the bells like the bigger brother with screen but I have amazon streaming with sc live 4 so I think it may be decent enough. I don’t really need them but I do like making my setup nicer and they may come in handy.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi mate - love this response. It’s hard isn’t it - I was a vinyl only purist and eventually got myself the Prime 2 - that was also after a bit of a break so maybe that made it easier. Mate - I’m not laughing at the Live, good choice and understand the chance it gives you to not have to play loud. I had the Prime 4 at one stage and hooked up the LC to that and it just made it easier to move around so I would recommend it. If you go back to some of my first videos on here you’ll see the set up (both with and without the LC) - maybe that’ll give you some ideas of looks and ease of use :)

I still have my Denon pioneer for the studio and Denon is my on to go gigs

I understand your thinking. I had to convert denon to pioneer to play on cdj 3000s a few weeks ago. I borrowed a cdj 3000 for a few days to run through its paces. Here’s my thought. The only thing on the cdj 3000 that is better is the platter. Everything else is out of date. The processing power can’t keep up with the software. The setup functions don’t make sense compared to some of the options in recordbox and you are extremely limited in terms of performance features compared to the denons. The performance features wouldnt be handled by the current processing power if they were added and in my opinion the device is outdated. There is latency when selecting cues and loops. This was on the most current firmware. I hope they give you what you are looking for. I would personally not make that change and just convert denon data to recordbox when you need to. If you are mostly using the players for simply playing music… then it’s fine. But for performance features.. the denons are light years ahead.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

That’s a well thought out response, which I can tell has come from a lot of experience mate, thanks for sharing.

It's such a shame that this company (Alpha Theta/Pioneer) have such a hold over our industry. DJ's feel backed into a corner to buy thier bland products for fear of not getting gigs if they don't. You used to see all sorts of mixers in booths. Lets just hope they don't get hold of Serato as well. To be honest we should really be making a stand rather than switching to thier platform out of pressure, but it's easier said than done.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Mate… you are right - I can’t argue with a single word you’ve said. I’ve even been calling myself a sell out the past few days 😂 I have started filming my journey on the Pioneers and there are enough differences, both in layout and in quality of features, that Im having to get used to. Genuinely feel like Denon did such a great job with their kit but the pressure of fitting in to get gigs easier has made me another sheep.

@NueNueKiro

Ай бұрын

Personally for 12 years and counting i haven’t switched full time to Pioneer kit and I’m still sticking to Traktor. For the money they are asking, Pioneer just doesn’t make sense and I’m not about to drop a used car price for gear that’s inferior to a 800 dolar console. My strategy has always been to just ask what kind of space they have in the booth and decide if it’s worth it to bring my s4 mk3 + x1 mk2 combo. If it’s a short set with limited space, I’ll stick to my x1 with CDJs in HID, if the space allows and/or is a longer set, it’s my full rig. I also have a Rekordboxed SD card for backups and impromptu play, but everytime i play with them i get a reminder of how tragic the looping system is and how idiotic they behave in some ways

Before, I was all about pioneer and when I discovered denon I was in wow mode, they found the Samsung of the DJ set a serious competitor to pioneer which can be assimilated to Apple by its popularity and its more acceptable social side mixed with pioneer Denon has a bright future ahead of him

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

That is a really good way to explain the differences - Samsung vs Apple. I also think Denon will do really well - I think they are finding the right market to position themselves in, which doesn’t necessarily always have to compete with Pioneer, and are getting lots of people, including myself, back into DJing :)

The Denons are a much better product, pioneer are going downhill so I wonder how long it will be before Denon (or someone) takes over the market share. All that subscription stuff is the last nail in the coffin I think.

@ebow707

15 күн бұрын

I just watched a really good video on here by @deejayplaza with a similar outlook as you mentioned. He gave some good insight and also mentioned the subscriptions being the death of their reign.

Why not just use rekordbox prepped library with your denons at home and have them ready when you play on cdjs.... thats what I do and ive never had issues moving between my sc6000s and cdj3000s

@LATRONNIK

Ай бұрын

people are just trying to cope in these vids grasping for any reasons to justify paying 3k for ONE media player lmao

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

@@LATRONNIK not sure about making a video to cope buddy. I don’t mind investing in myself if I’m serious about my goal but understand it’s easier to make a flippant comment rather than watch the video and understand my reasoning why…

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hi chief - sorry been ill a few days so slow on replying . It’s a fair question which I considered. I didn’t trust myself to be good enough when just stepping up to them. The mechanics although similar are different enough for me that since I got them, I have now been getting up to speed, but initially I was all over the place, slow to make things work, things behave slightly differently etc.. There’s a good chance you’re more versatile than me too… im not great at change and prefer to be overly prepared, but you’re right rekordbox was another legitimate route.

You're def better of having those if you're gonna play in clubs or whatever. It's like having Technics1210s back in the 90's. Standard kit you'll find everywhere.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Was easier when it was the old 1210s lol - worst thing you had to worry about was leaving your vinyl cooking behind a window on a sunny day and warping it 😂

That loop thing would be cool... 🤔 But indeed. Path of least resistance. Back in the day I used to DJ with timecode CD's with my laptop. And I had a gig. That was in 2010. The swapping cables while my intro track on CD was playing was nerve wracking. And then swapping back over to the next DJ... Horrible. Pioneer DJ / Alpha Tetha's eco system has the market cornered. It's kinda sad. I'm a DDJ-FLX10 user with Rekordbox and I like using it instead of Serato which I hate. But it kinda stings that I'm basically locked in while they're chilling on their ass because they have a monopoly regardless of how good or bad their products are.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Mate - you said it! It stings and I don't think its going to change. I love tech (I work in the tech sector) so I love all the development we have in this area, but there is also something to be said for keeping it simple. Ahh you've had the swapping cables while everything is going on experience too !!! Was all I could think about, instead of getting my head ready for my set.

and thats how the monopoly is feed !

Good content mate and smart decision. You say Denon suits your DJ style, that's purely because you've learnt your craft on them. Pioneer are industry leaders for a reason and you'll no doubt get up to the same comfortable standard you're used to. You also don't want to become a nuisance for venues, like you say, the pleasure of being able to plug and play will make everyone's life easier.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Thanks mate. That nuisance bit def hits home. Hate to say it but back in the day whether the club had 1210s, Numark’s, Gemini’s or Vestax…it really didn’t matter as long as you had your vinyl. I love today’s tech but it’s also a headache at times 😂

I like Denon and I like Engine DJ but... I don't want to manage multiple libraries and we all know what you're going to find in clubs. I know Denon works with rekordbox but it works better, natively with Engine.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hey chief, yeah I chose Engine for those reasons although I actually couldn’t pinpoint, because I didn’t so as much research into that side of it, what you gained by using the native tooling, it just seemed to make more sense. However, in hindsight even choosing Rekordbox with Denon might be a good angle for those looking for flexibility- like you say fewer libraries to manage and if you make the change - at least from a software perspective you are already there.

@angusgibbins4954

Ай бұрын

@@ebow707 But again, Denon works better with Engine than it does rerkordbox. How I play at home is with my CDJs linked to my home network and rekordbox running in Export Mode on my desktop, having to export to USB when I'm doing stuff at home is a dealbreaker for me. I know you can import your rekordbox library into Engine and I know there's third party tools available, but I basically want to live and die in one app.

are you sureyou can't set up an active loop, i rekordbox on my ddj-1000 and i can on that so i would assume you can on the 3000's kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWWaj8uwirO_ntY.htmlsi=yqy2CKaFQ-_Z-YBY

@ebow707

30 минут бұрын

Hi Sara - yes you absolutely can on both Denon and Pioneer. There’s a third type of loop you can set up on Denon which is what I meant which behaves like an active loop but you engage it yourself once you enter the loop zone. I have got used to not having it now. Thanks for watching and commenting :)

When the music is boring as nowadays , is more important creating loops .

Ahhh I know you will always going to move onto Pioneer was not a question of if but when. Looking forward seeing how you do.

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Hahahahah.

So basically pioneer paid you money.

@ebow707

26 күн бұрын

Hi chief. I am unfortunately at this moment just a man on KZread with a small channel doing what I love. I hope to be big enough one day that companies pay me to do what I do. Until then, it’s just me, myself and I.

Denon’s are far more superior than Pioneer. Don’t care what the clubs have… don’t mind bringing mine.5:29 Someone can easily ask the same in reverse. Using CDJs doesn’t make you any more of a DJ than walking into a McDonalds makes you a Big Mac.

Pioneer DJ is dead bro. They're not even made by Pioneer any more. They haven't put out anything "pioneering" since 2014, since then they have been playing catchup with other brands. Now it's just a subscription based bullshit box. Can't even turn the thing on without being forced to sign up for a trial.

@ebow707

14 күн бұрын

Hey - yeah that’s a fair statement and I only just heard about being forced to sign up for a trial last weekend on another KZreadr’s video, which doesn’t sound particularly legal. I’m not sure why but I haven’t had to since I had them but I’m not going to complain as it would def annoy me.

you obviously thin denon gear "is no good as I am limiting myself" lmao you dont need to justify your decisions to randoms ! 🤣

@ebow707

Ай бұрын

Fair comment. Sharing with people was less about justification and more about sharing my experience….like other people do every day on KZread. What’s wrong with sharing 😂