The real *Henry Rogers* were the friends we made along the way.

@logan9650

Жыл бұрын

In a way Henry Rogers was inside us all along .?

@mona-mo3sd

Жыл бұрын

@@logan9650 inside ur mom

@its_clean

Жыл бұрын

The real Henry Rogers were the Henri Rogers we Henry Rogersed along the Henri Rogers

@Plutoisonfire

Жыл бұрын

@@logan9650 I've heard that there is two Henrys inside of every person.

@brindlekintales

Жыл бұрын

@@logan9650 We are all Henry Rogers.

Has anyone ever seen Philip Lord and Henry Rogers in the same room at the same time? 🤔

@suicideistheanswer369

Жыл бұрын

That was my first thought, that Philip Lord *is* Henry Rogers.

@andrewdunbar828

Жыл бұрын

Yes, one person has. That person's name is... Henri Rogers.

Vox has just artificially inflated the value of a Henri Rogers (French accent please). I’d love one😉.

@Crafter_H

Жыл бұрын

Lol, on ebay listed now anywhere from $70 to $600 hahaha!

@justingabriel8932

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much! 😅

@johannafernandez6879

Жыл бұрын

@@Crafter_H thx for checking

@trstmeimadctr

Жыл бұрын

What we don't know is this has been their plan from day 1. They've been hoarding Henri Rogers paintings, preparing for today

@johannafernandez6879

Жыл бұрын

@@trstmeimadctr 🤣

Mexico was the major producer of readymade frames sold in the U.S. during the 60s and 70s, before China moved into that niche. Artwork from that period is easily dated by the Made in Mexico stamp on the frame. The Mexican frame points to Henry Rogers more likely being an American or the paintings having been distributed in the U.S. It's definitely "starving artist" quality motel art.

@thathobbitlife

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking

@Comrade_Jason

Жыл бұрын

Lol, thanks for insulting my favourite painting that I spent hours looking at as a kid.

My ex girlfriend used to do this while she was in art college. It's basically work exploitation if you ask me, they were paid dirt cheap like 2-3$ per painting and one person used to make 20-50 a day. Then later they were sold in Paris or other tourist place for few hundreds euros. I don't remember them singing anything tho, so that must have been done in last stage before selling. This was back in 2015.

@kelath5555

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if they had one person signing everything so that the signature would be consistent.

@kelsey6695

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, do you mean she did these paintings or a kind of thing that is suggested, that a group of people mass produced similar paintings that were then attributed to the same person?

@liandryss905

Жыл бұрын

@@kelsey6695 Initial comment meant the latter, their partner was tasked with cheaply mass producing art that other people sell to tourists for a much larger price claiming that the pieces are from an authentic parisian artist or something like that

@tallky

Жыл бұрын

There was a great documentary about an artist living in China painting Van Gogh's. His contact said his work was being exposed in The Netherlands, and he thought he was a 'real' artist. The documentary took him to Amsterdam to see his work being sold in a tourist stall next to the museum. He was pretty disillusioned and started making (beautiful) original paintings after that, inspired by Van Gogh. It's called China's Van Goghs and is watchable on youtube

My aunt used to do this sort of “stock photo” paintings when she was young and needed money. She would lay 10 canvas on the ground, paint the same roof in one go for 10 times than the same window etc. She used to sign different names on them.

There’s something very romantic about it being one person, but they definitely seem mass-produced. Even a single artist who sells to tourists directly would want to paint a different street. They’re probably all based on one photo of one street.

I am from México and this paintings are in almost every middle class house, at least in Mexico City. I will ask my grandpa where did he get them, I think he has more than one at this house.

@thathobbitlife

Жыл бұрын

Ha. That's interesting, an interesting piece to this.

@dumuzidtherisingphoenix

Жыл бұрын

❤️

@dumuzidtherisingphoenix

Жыл бұрын

Any update?

@terrynitka9218

8 ай бұрын

Update?

I’d be very interested in a video about an art factory.

@himaliamit8698

Жыл бұрын

There are video showing amazing artists from China recreate famous paintings and selling them in streets of Paris

@Bonyari_Boy

Жыл бұрын

99% Invisible did an excellent podcast episode about it. Episode 478 - Art Imitates Art.

@erica22595

Жыл бұрын

I’d also recommend the 99% Invisible episode.

@HeyTylerAustin

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@AdamDrew

Жыл бұрын

I was also going to rec the 99pi episode.

We are all Henri Rogers.

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

😂💜

@YoungGandalf2325

Жыл бұрын

This is what I was just thinking. 🖌️

@bigblue6917

Жыл бұрын

The Spartacus of painting

@Blue69HD

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes Henry Rogers too. Depends on the day lmao

@TempleGuitars

Жыл бұрын

I am Groot.

I have a painting my mother bought at some thrift store that we suspect has a similar backstory. It's a painting by "Henri Dupré" with a gorgeous over the top frame. My mom said she figured it was made in China since it was pretty cheap but she liked the frame and the painting so much that it became our fireplace's focal point for most of my life. Googled Henri Dupré and he seems to have a few paintings for sale online but it's unclear if he was a real painter or not. Still, it's a lovely painting and now it's above my fireplace :)

Both my parents and my in- laws have these exact paintings. I always imagined these to be an I love Lucy situation, in the episode where she visits Paris and ends up with 3 of the same “original”painting.

I love that a complex scientific machine that analyzed multiple paintings came to the same conclusion that a French street painter came to by just looking at the paintings over a video call. It really shows that if you want to know something about art all you have to do is ask and listen to an artist.

@paulwomack5866

Жыл бұрын

The cool thing is that the machine used a completely different kind of evidence (brush work) to the street painter (scene selection), but still came to the same conclusion. This makes for better evidence that either conclusion on its own.

I have some paintings that I bought at a store once upon a time in a mall in New Hampshire. As I recall, several of the works were basically the same thing, with different dimensions. I asked where they got the paintings from; the answer was an art *school*. These could be *student* paintings, and Henry/i Rogers could be either the school name, or a code name (maybe the school is H. R. or something), or simply plucked out of thin air to pretend it's a single artist. I wouldn't put too much stock in the canvases being made in Mexico. Doesn't mean they were painted there.

@thathobbitlife

Жыл бұрын

It was the frames being made there- but that makes sense since Mexico did export a TON of redi-made or redi-use style frames for cheap before China took over the cheap market in the 80,90s, and on

I used to do professional framing. The shop I worked at carried these frames as ready-mades. They are super cheap and look great with "souvenir" art you bring in to get framed after you return from vacation. I could tell from the trees that there were 3 different artists, so I'm glad the computer confirmed it I guess? The slashy grid-like pallet knife markings are reminiscent of the technique used on those spray paint + plastic baggie street art pieces that I've seen done in SoCal & Mexico.

My wife and I purchased a very small canvas painting like this on the streets of Paris for like €5. I know that it’s not “good art” and is likely mass produced or not painted, but it’s a very sentimental souvenir and doesn’t look terrible

This was such a cool video! I'm happy to see Vox getting back up on its feet with the intriguing quality of videos from years past. This video made me interested in things I never would think to be interested in, which is always what Vox has done best.

@kevsfriendanh9377

Жыл бұрын

The Sahara circles took us on a ride, probably the best Vox production I've seen this year

Geowizard was trying to identify a painting of his too.

@cipherhex

Жыл бұрын

I knew I recognised the buildings

@cipherhex

Жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 What's that you say, bot? (Edit: the Slevin channel's comment is obviously deleted now but it was a direct reply to me with some sort of criticism of Vox for not being anti-racist enough, I think.. Something I may well agree with but suspicious given how unrelated it was)

@loturzelrestaurant

Жыл бұрын

@@cipherhex Judgemental, are we?

@cipherhex

Жыл бұрын

@@loturzelrestaurant What even is going on here? The original comment was about Geowizard... I'm definitely taking taking the bait because I'm curious

@hydrolifetech7911

Жыл бұрын

@@cipherhex that channel is probably a racist pretending to be a toxic, overzealous social justice crusader so as to make unsuspecting people view any fight for social justice as toxic. Or it's just a troll farming engagement online

I have a Henry Rogers painting, I just love it, hangs in my bedroom, its just beautiful

I thought the painting looked extremely similar to the one I have in my house, the one in my house is by Caroline Burnett, so I’m happy it got mentioned in the video.

I actually know Phil, he would love this, he is an archaeologist.

Rogers wouldn't have an "s" at the end of their name if they were actually French. This detail and the inconsistent spelling of Henri/Henry leads me to believe that the painters are not French at all

@AnyoneCanSee

Жыл бұрын

I just checked eBay and there isn't one painting by them for sale in Europe. I'm in Europe by the way. I then did a search worldwide and there are around 5 for sale in the USA. I think that, along with the frames, makes it clear they were made in Mexico for the American market.

@LF-hj8kk

Жыл бұрын

I thought the exact same thing, Rogers is not a french name at all and neither is Henry (which they might have corrected with Henri afterwards)

@nunya___

Жыл бұрын

@@LF-hj8kk Must you have a French name to be French? If I have a French name but never once visited France then am I French?

@LF-hj8kk

Жыл бұрын

@@nunya___ Because there is way less diversity in names in Europe than in the US. Most people emmigrated from europe to the US and not the other way round. I talk from experience, I am 22 yo and have never ever seen a Rogers in France.

@nunya___

Жыл бұрын

@@LF-hj8kk That's because he moved to Mexico in the 80's. :) The name goes back to the 14th century in England. That's part of Europe and nun to far from France I'm told.

When I saw this title card, my heart skipped a beat. My parents have had an impressionist painting of a Parisienne scene by an unknown artist hanging over their couch since the late 80s. It isn't in the classic Rogers style (the figures are even more abstract, the scene has much more knife work, etc) - but the signature appears to read "Roget". I'm sure it is the same sort of decorator art - and this video was a fascinating peek into that corner of history.

I collect these paintings for the mystery and grab them whenever I see them in thrift shops. I stumbled across Phillips site years ago and it further fed the intrigue. I never believed they were French, just mass produced paintings sold at mid range suburban furniture stores to people who, like me, dream of visiting Paris one day. It’s just so…human and I think that is part of the art of them.

I have a Caroline Burnett! I bought it at a garage sale for $14 when I was 11! It's been hanging above my bed for 12 years now

I remember seeing this painting inside the barber shop I used to go to when I was young to cut my hair, it was in a neighborhood outside Cairo, Egypt.

I have 4 Burnett paintings I inherited from my late grandmother. Thanks Vox for uncovering this rabbit hole I'll be going down now. 😮

@julienporisse9902

5 ай бұрын

You inherited 4 Hong Kongs… if they please you, that’s all that matters. They have no resale value AT ALL

I've seen so many videos since the day I discovered on KZread, but this is one of the most interesting ones I've come across.

Yeah, I'd say "Henry Rogers" is a workshop of Mexican artists. The way the streets are painted, there's just something Spanish colonial about the width and length of the streets. I grew up in Central America and went to small Spanish colonial towns all the time. And the dimensions of the streets in these paintings (though not the heights of the buildings) give me that vibe. That being said, even the height of the buildings could correspond to the giant colonial center of Mexico City around the Zocalo. It's a very "Frenchified" colonial center, but the dimensions of the streets were preserved from the Spanish colonial era. All a Mexican artist need do is get a nice, angular view of a street in Mexico City's colonial center, sketch out the landmarks in simple shapes, and then paint over these an imagined Parisian street-scape. And--voila!--instant, romantic Paris for sale to bamboozled tourists.

Now I want an original Henri Rogers, but how will I know if it's authentic? 😂

@vishwanathasharma1409

Жыл бұрын

Products on Ebay before this video was uploaded?

Can a scan of what’s under the paint layers be done of the similar paintings, or even scrape away some of the paint? I suspect that there may be the exact same, machine duplicated sketch or outline under each painting, basically turning it in to a coloring book.

I wish you'd gone to an expert, the AI thing seemed link bunk science, hight maps are a very easy to measure thing and impasto can be very distinctive, but it being the ONLY thing you're looking at just seems very iffy.

@ZoraTheberge

Жыл бұрын

I think they’re on to something about “invisible fingerprints”. Multiple works by a single person are going to share similarities at a base level.

@mf--

Жыл бұрын

@@ZoraTheberge i would like to see them seem try to test if Pablo Picasso's earlier work is identifiable to his later work.

I appreciate the "we still don't know" ending, rather than the possibility of this ending up on the cutting room floor

Omg!! I've followed the Burnett paintings for a couple years now, but never came across Henry Rogers. Same style, same Parisian streets, and no origin. It's just a wild goose chase.

My parents had paintings similar to this style. They were bought in the 80s. They were bought cheap. I can’t remember who painted them. All I know is that it’s probably mass produced. The made in Mexico stamp, may not have been where the painting was made but where the frame was made. I think they were mass produced in Italy by Art students who all learned the same knife painting style from an Art college. They were likely sold to and and framed by importers who used frames made from Mexico. China wasn’t the manufacturing giant we know today back in the 70s and 80s so I don’t think it was made in a factory in China.

@julienporisse9902

5 ай бұрын

It’s 100% made in China. These paintings are called “Hong Kongs”… I should know, 😂 …

It seems to me that there could be a big pseudoreplication issue with the MORE center's technique, at least as far as I understand with the information you've given. The AI is guessing which painting a sample originated from, not which painter a sample belongs to. Any number of variables might influence heightmap differences between individual paintings apart from just the technique of the painter(s); temperature/humidity on the day the piece was painted, the quality of the paint, at what point in the artists development/career the piece was painted, etc. These are variables that are likely to remain consistent within a single painting and differ between others regardless of artist, so an AI matching samples from one painting against samples from another (whether or not the artist is the same) is meaningless as far as differentiating the artist from the work goes. The AI would need to match samples from multiple paintings originating from any single one of these supposed Henri's against those of another Henri to be statistically and methodologically sound, much less convincing.

@Camaika1997

Жыл бұрын

Have been looking for this comment

This is a wonderful deep-dive. Thank you.

if i had to make that many versions of the same work i'd simply die of boredom. there's no way it's not" factory" produced. which.. is awesome! factory art is fascinating to me. and still requires skill.

I thought this was going to be a video on a specific art style, and got a whole Internet mystery. Great vid.

These kinds of rainy French street scene paintings were enormously popular in the seventies. My mother had a pair of them hanging in her formal living room in fancy gilded frames. I spent a lot of time looking at them, because I was interested in art. My mother has never been to Paris, nor has she ever purchased anything from an art gallery. The art she hangs on her walls has always either been purchased in a furniture/decor store or sourced by a local interior decorator. The ones I remember had a signature starting with E, not Henry Rogers (I am bad at remembering names, sorry). I believe these types of paintings were meant to imitate the style of Edouard Cortes, an actual French painter. Mom is now 85, and that pair of paintings was long ago donated to a thrift store since they had next to no value. She moved on to her next decorative cheap paintings, which are in a more Tuscan style (purchased in the 90s). I am from the Midwest in the US.

Did you send the Internet guy the updated information? I’m curious if he added the scans to the site. Haha

ha. this is so cool. I bought a stack of paintings on the cheap (like 20 a piece) simply for the frames from a company that was responsible for clearing out an art collection and I got three Henry Rogers painting in the lot and was wondering about them. Not enough to not pull 2 out of their frames but the fact that it was 3 near identical paintings was curious. glad i found this video

I have one of the paintings with, of course, a unique signature that matches no other Henry Rodgers. It's funny that Vox finally uploads this. I've had this painting for years and know nothing about it, and have always wondered.

As soon as I saw the first painting I thought "That looks like something someone's grandma got at an Ashley Home Furnishings store in 1983."

I have two of these on my wall and I'm so happy yall covered this

I received 4 of these types of paintings (household decor style) as a gift from my Uncle in Puerto Rico in the late 1970s. They depict Old San Juan streets with the Colonial Spanish harbor forts in the background of a couple. Painted with a knife/spatula and a larger brush for flora, trees etc. Sure they are tourist tchotchkes but they are actually quite nice in color and composition..... visually interesting while unobtrusive ......Still have a couple.

...I favor the notion that these are "factory paintings" -paintings that are mass produced as decor for hotels... ...when I was a kid, we had a couple of paintings that were very similar to the examples shown in the video...

Hey, I have a lot of relatives in Mexico who do woodworking at both an artisan and mass produced scale! I will ask them about these frames MADE IN MEXICO FRAME 8 X 10 MADE IN MEXICO AE-01 8 X 10 edit: UNCLE SAYS “wait I think we still have one similar frame with the address or at least the home city on it, it’s a common thing” YOOOO

@violetlatner6366

Жыл бұрын

please come thru

@wchristian2000

Жыл бұрын

Thats awesome

@GenDrag1

Жыл бұрын

@@violetlatner6366 uncle did not post picture, but said in text “FRANLOZ SIMES. S.A. MEXICO” no idea and no clues on Google. AT ALL.

@GenDrag1

Жыл бұрын

@@wchristian2000 there is another, “HECHO EN MEXICO, NUEVO LEON. [UNREADABLE], S.A.”

@GenDrag1

Жыл бұрын

@@violetlatner6366 I have the address but KZread won’t let me post it :( apparently I looked it up and it is a kids preschool now The receipt my uncle tried to describe said something along the lines of “MANDEN SIN FALTA A *address i can’t put because KZread* - 50 PIEZAS - AE OCHO POR DIEZ - $52 C.U. - J MEZ 22 DIA DE 1970”

Respect the curiosity!

Great stuff! I have a small "Burnett" in a frame made in Mexico, and a much larger unsigned painting on in an unlabeled frame. Both are on canvas, not board. The frames are multi-part, very respectable, and seem to my eye from the late 50s to mid 70s. The Burnett is better rendered, fairly vivid with a very large signature. It has red rooves in the foreground fading to a light blue dome in the back left. The larger painting is a somber rendering of a stone foot bridge over a canal. These paintings were thrift store finds for a few bucks. They are not great art but they are great fun. I suspect these were originally sold in "art liquidation sales" that would pop up in empty store fronts for a few days and then move on to the next town. Given the era, I would not be surprised if these were painted in the USA, and were painted to fit the inexpensive but decent frames. Paintings on canvas are probably older than those on a board.

@brindlekintales

Жыл бұрын

Well I know for a fact those Carol Burnett paintings are fakes. She's still around, and a famous comedian. Contact her, she'll set you straight!

A friend back in the 80's was thinking of selling oil paintings in the UK. He was in contact with a Chinese company that would provide paintings - price varied with technique, size and "artistry". You could ask for pretty much much any subject, style, or provide photographic references. It was evident that lots of (quite skilled) painters in the China were on a piece work scheme. He was asked what signature he wanted put on the paintings...

I think I have a Henry Rogers. It belonged to my grandparents. Very chic in its day. But they would have bought it in the 60s.

Beyond excellent and fascinating too, ty Vox!

Wow ! I thought I was obsessed with researching Artists and Art Etc.... ! Kudos !

Here is a fact check : Bob Ross didn't "invent" that technique, he used it

Another thing I’ve seen in my various travels is that street painters can often start with a pre coloured/or printed image on canvas which they then paint over to simulate a real painting. I live in Italy and I’ve seen it in Florence but I’ve also seen it in Thailand. It’s a fairly common practice nowadays I think. It’s another way of creating a sort of mass produced image. I’ve seen it both for acrylic paintings and watercolours.

The entire layout of that website tho

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

Right 😂💜

@Game_Hero

Жыл бұрын

Golden Age Internet layout

@brmbkl

Жыл бұрын

‘Lay-out’

@christopherhitchens163

Жыл бұрын

@@brmbkl ooo sorry

Great video, thrilling until the very end. Well done!

Coleman ur amazing. Thank u for this

Random group of Mexican artists are super happy right now

Wow I loved waking up to a Vox video. I'm going to make sure to make a contribution to you all today! Keep up the great work!

That is so awesome.... I loved this video...

imagine being this passionate about anything

I bought 3 of these on a bare canvas when I was trying to be classy after college.... bought from a wholesale popup with hundreds of these things lol would have been around 2006, Indianapolis

I found a cup from the 1890s which says it's A Gift From my town in Wales, but the cups were actually made in Germany and imported here to be sold (maybe even back to a German tourist). I'm facinated with this kind of souvenir mass-manufactoring for tourism.

Vox takes rabbit holes to a whole new level

Hey so I found your video and I think I know who your looking for I saw some of these guys in Mexico City they are seemingly shipping out paintings some police saw them and thought they were criminals as it turns out they were henri rogers painting and I do remember they said they make them. But i forgot which street they operated in its been a 3 years since that trip but I do remember it in some kind of house more of the rural old looking house maybe a family group idk point is they were in Mexico

@vacafuega

Жыл бұрын

Interesting!

@AnyoneCanSee

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure you are right. I just searched eBay Europe and not a single painting for sale but there are 50 of them for sale in the USA. They are clearly made in Mexico for the American market. One person is asking over $800 for one on eBay. So funny.

yep, the paintings hanging on my parents wall as a souvenir from the 90s. Finally the answer revealed.

My family have had one of these paintings on our wall since the late 90's I think and the one at 4:57 looks very similar but obviously they are all quite similar.

This reminds me of the greyscale + colorful trees souvenir paintings that get sold all over Paris. The trees are usually pink or autumnal colors while the rest of the painting has little to no other colors or is greyscale. They’ve been sold as souvenirs in Paris since at least 2014 which is when I first visited. I now work as a framer and had two people bring in these paintings to be stretched this summer. I always wanted to know who made them! I’m sure they’re mass produced but I have no idea how or where or by whom

Never would I have thought that my alma mater would show up in this context!

My grandmother was a painter in the 80s and 90s in México, some of her paintings have almost identical frames.

this was great!

We should start a petition for CIA to investigate this.....

@madat5843

Жыл бұрын

Only if the painter was from Middle East lol

@gotnthinonmeh644

Жыл бұрын

@@madat5843 well aint that racist

@FIVEBASKET

Жыл бұрын

Yea

@arv7539

Жыл бұрын

Only if the painter wasn't jewish

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Great episode!

Great video. I just found and ordered one from eBay. Thanks for the information.

A forth theory as I have a few of these, there are a number Mexican street painters. I have a few that are Parisian in style and are signed in a similar way.

Yeah they're lovely paintings

Now patiently waiting for the next installment when you discover the art factory that created these paintings.

😲 My parents owned one of Rogers's painting (15.5"x12"). Sadly they cannot recollect how much they paid for and where.

An interesting story!

as a Mexican I can confirm that I have seen this particular art style -Parisian romantic resemblance- at least 25+ times. Next time I see one I will look at the signature, because I'm pretty sure of the many I have seen, not all are signed under "henry rogers". Maybe they are just being sold randomly in "artistic zones" I think I have seen it.

Intresting, very interesting.

@slevinchannel7589

Жыл бұрын

VOX once said "CRT Hysteria overshadows the important of teaching kids about r-cism." Ifyou agree, watch 'Some More News'!

because of this video i now want to make art. ive never painted in my life the only thing i did is maps sketches of characters ect but not often but now I WANT TO PAINT. good that my mom had this obbsesion over painting a year ago and i still have some tools. THANKS

@DetectiveTrupo203

Жыл бұрын

Good luck

@nunya___

Жыл бұрын

Paint things old ladies like. They have money.

"Caroline Burnett" sounds suspicious because there's a famous American comedian and actress named "Carol Burnett."

this is the best use of the internet

Very cool

An inspiring adventure

Really interesting!

I think the paintings are beautiful

I've seen these around in New Mexico, early 2000's.

Henry's ray tracing is fire😂😂

Really interesting video!

I love these nerd digging vids!

Huh. This was surprisingly interesting

I have a 12X16 with the same basic street scene that leads to the Arc de Triomphe. But, mine is signed 'Lentini'. Ohh la la!

My mother was an artist in the 1970s and she had to frame a lot of her paintings. Frames from Mexico were common in the USA at that time because they were cheaper than frames made in the US and were of acceptable quality. Many artists used them ( In other words, I would not assume the artists were from Mexico merely because that is where they got their frames. That would be like assuming that someone in 2024 is from China because that is where their clothes are from).

awesome

They seem like paintings by Antonio DeVity, who painted many a similar scene in his long career. Some of the places of Paris landmarks were not accurate.

@SovietVenturesInc

Жыл бұрын

Maybe from afar but in every technical aspect they play in totally different leagues.

I have one of those paintings also!!