i detransitioned in 2020 and was in a lot of the detrans groups and followed/participated in a lot of the twitter discussions, but in the past year or so getting out of that and focusing on my own life outside of transition/detransition has been so helpful. a lot of being trans was making that my whole identity and i saw i was doing that with “being detrans”. i still have my beliefs but i try to stay out of it (and occasionally will watch videos from detrans women whose opinions and viewpoints i respect like yours ;)). it gets so draining thinking about this all the time, and it’s not up to us to devote our lives to a social justice cause for detrans ppl much like we were encouraged to for the T

@CheeseLovingGuy

7 ай бұрын

Sometimes I think it can be therapeutic and important especially at first. But if that is all you are doing then there is IMO fresh dangers. I am pleased you are managing to move on. I think for some that can be hard and near impossible

Those of us who don’t believe in true trans or trans as an option are still in this fight. In the end, the truth will win. We have to keep speaking the truth in the face of those who claim to be on our side. Lesbians like you are some of the most important voices out there. Please continue to speak out.

"You don't get to falsify your documents! You don't get people to lie for you!" 100% agree

I appreciate your boundaries and your voice. Thanks for your clarity.

You make an excellent point. I think what ends up happening is that ppl peak in gradual stages, where they start with the "transition is ok for some ppl, but it has gone to far" and end up with "transition isn't a good idea for everyone" (I know that's what happened with me, in any case). Organizations that try to platform ppl on both sides of the spectrum are trying to be as much of a wide tent as possible, BUT it doesn't work --- one side or the other (or both!) will end up feeling betrayed. Maybe it is best to have different orgs that are open about their precise intentions rather than one great big org that tries to make everyone happy.

AMEN!!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts Carol! I was at the conference you mentioned and actually found most of it interesting and helpful. However, I’ve really been struggling lately with the idea that some “transitioned” people are taking a “do as I say but not as I do”approach when they condemn childhood “transitions,” but say that it was the right thing for them to do. I don’t want my trans identifying 19 year old daughter to have adults to look to and say “they are happy now, so that means that I’ll be happy when I finish transitioning too!” I will miss seeing your thoughts on Twitter but understand why you left.

@KH-aug

7 ай бұрын

💯

I'm really glad you made this. Thanks. Love your humor and your voice. Much needed.😊💜

I love hearing your thoughts, and support you wholeheartedly. please keep speaking your mind. You help all of us to be our most rational selves, and it's truly therapeutic. I don't think we're gender critical, just gender observant

Well, for what it's worth, I COMPLETELY agree with you! And I have also been frustrated about EXACTLY what you're describing! And I'm a non-detrans, (former TRA, but not detrans), GC. And also, leaning generally rad fem, these days. (Which has been a more recent, more gradual process of me researching and considering things, and coming out more and more on that side. And it's still ongoing.

@JoanneBartone

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for all of your insightful and relatable observations.

@zephsmith3499

Ай бұрын

I hear your "hardliner" perspective of not wanting to accept anything trans. I'm more moderate, largely because I've known adults who do seem to have been helped by transitioning, even after the honeymoon phase. I have not been convinced that it's always bad for everyone. I support your voice being out there, and able to persuade some people (or starfish). You might be right, I've given up assuming I already have the final and best answers. I am a bit dismayed at what sounds like you might be slipping into another bubble of certainty about having the full and final truth, and with it, the unquestionable moral high ground. That attitude is what I think corrupted too much of the LGBT movement (and progressivism in general). When one is certain they have the moral high ground, they stop thinking that treating others as they would like to be treated applies to themselves; it's OK to treat people who think differently badly, in way one would not wish to be treated, because they are morally or intellectually inferior. I'm not going down that path. On any side. Even if I am eventually persuaded by evidence and reason that all trans stuff is wrong and should be prohibited, I'm not going to take on the TRA personality just with a different superiority narrative. I strongly oppose the TRA attempt to hide and dismiss detransitioners, but I also don't want to do the same information control by trying to dismiss the successes. And that might not be where you are coming from; I don't know you. I may have misinterpreted a venting post as being your overall philosophy. If so, sorry, and I'll listen.

Please don't say it's never going to change. I can't give up on defending reality. There are orgs and groups who have been working on this for many years and formed their position while the climate was so hostile that they couldn't find allies. Maybe they took on a compromised position. There are plenty of us who are taking a firm stand. Stick with the people who defend Reality. Thank you for your clarity.

@samanthathompson9812

6 ай бұрын

I'm in despair.

@gryaznygreeb

Ай бұрын

The first sex change and research into trans people was done in the 20's and 30's in the Weimar Republic. The German fascists tried to destroy them (I'm not saying they were good for doing that), but several decades later they are back stronger than ever. The internet is such a strong tool to manipulate and control people. They set up their own spaces and refuse to hear any dissenting opinions. Every day they just get information that confirms what we already believe. We all do. The youtube algorithm tends to suggest videos it thinks you will agree with. People tend to follow people on social media that they agree with. It's a self feeding cycle that causes division and allows radical ideologies to flourish. Just look at all the communist or neo fascist groups online. I hope we can at least have some sensible legislature around it one day, but the movement as a whole will likely never change substantially.

It doesn't matter if people are afraid of being a transphobe and bigot. Confront the American Pediatric Association, American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, all of the NGO groups and political advocates injecting this ideology into every crevice of our society. You helped many just by telling your story.

@CheeseLovingGuy

7 ай бұрын

Transphobic to me is a compliment. No I don't think a person with a penis should be in women's spaces. Call that sensible or transphobic or any word you want - zingulungy It doesn't alter the belief and I own that belief with pride And science on my side

@samanthathompson9812

6 ай бұрын

I need my job..I'm single and have no other source of income. Feel like a coward but i would never work again.

@roleat

3 ай бұрын

​@@samanthathompson9812that does make you a coward. Many others are as well.

@samanthathompson9812

3 ай бұрын

@@roleat I know

@Ann-qe6py

2 ай бұрын

And I hope that we will see many lawsuits.

This was a pretty interesting video to me. I have seen people say "transition may be right for some," but in the spaces I occupy now I've noticed this is almost always said by someone who is newly detrans. It's always made me think it's just someone still grappling with trying to decide which concepts to keep and which to throw away after they completely upended their personal worldview. I have never taken it seriously, because as you said it really doesn't make any sense and it just reads as an acquiescence so I never thought about it much. Even if I thought there's a brain sex and it can mismatch the body sex, I still would never think that medical intervention can produce an improvement in QOL for those patients, because your body still has a given sex and trying to coerce it into another sex isn't going to make it another sex, it's just going to make you sick. The treatment for reconciling a different between reality and perception is never to try to change reality, because that's not possible. My personal frustration with the GC space on Twitter is that a lot of them aren't really gender critical. It's like a lot of them got confused and thought gender critical means transgender critical. There's also a ton of wonderfully smart people there who are truly gender critical but I'd had enough of the trans criticals that I drifted away from it a while ago, before Musk took over. (I popped in a couple times after the Musk takeover and the entire site was such a cesspit I clicked off within minutes.) My thought is that once enough data about long term transition and detransition outcomes has been published, that data will eventually overturn a lot of the accepted practices of today and many parts of medical transition will be banned for causing harm (or in the best of cases, for not having the promised outcome). The remaining treatments that don't get banned will no longer be approved for use as treatment for mental distress.

@CheeseLovingGuy

7 ай бұрын

Follow the money. And it ain't looking good. When the bills come in the nonsense will stop

The terms 'gender', 'feminine' and 'masculine' have no place outside a book of grammar. Biological entities do not have a gender. They have a sex - female or male. This is determined at conception, and cannot be changed. I have no idea what 'gender-fluid' or 'non-binary' are supposed to mean. In the nineteenth century, some Victorians asserted that girls who read 'difficult' books would render themselves sterile. It was 'unfeminine'. I really thought we had moved on from this. Why are children not being taught that it is OK to be a butch girl or a camp boy? That it is OK to be gay or Lesbian or bisexual? I thought we had reached that point. 'Trans' Ideology/Religion has its roots in applied post-modernism, and its methods in Maoism. It is a concerted attempt ti destroy Western Society, by way of misogyny, sexism, homophobia, destruction of the Education System, denial of science, the manufacture of thousands of lifelong patients and cash-cows for the enrichment of the 'Trans'-Industrial Complex. The collateral damage - ill and suicidal people - don't matter. Don't worry, we will beat it.🙂

@ericman4023

3 ай бұрын

People forget that the country who perfected surgery was/is Iran where gay and lesbian people face the death penalty

@cryptameria666

2 ай бұрын

Well said

The issue I have, and admittedly I'm new to this, is that the Jordan Peterson's of the world that dominate this discourse, also hold the same gender-based, traditional ideologies that CAUSE people confusion around their own sex/gender. Are they that dumb that they feel they can be so self-righteous? It was my being told that I was not like other females because I deviated from stereotypes that heavily contributed to my confusion and self-rejection, from such a young age.

@SourPatches2077

2 ай бұрын

I agree, that’s my frustration as well.

There should be an organization just for detrans people who have outgrown true trans nonsense. Part support network, part slick media production group. It could make a big impact with the right people and promotion.

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

Detrans probably shouldn’t speak publicly at all.

@Marymackthequeenofwack

3 ай бұрын

​@SourPatches2077 why? Why shouldn't they speak publicly?

From one Carol to another-thank you. This vid is very honest, and forthright. And you’re correct in saying that it is black, and white. It’s wrong for EVERY age, and making allowances for adults is patently dishonest, and uncaring. I’m a 74 year old lesbian who remembers when WBW was a common acronym in our ‘community’. Any hedging, and caveats, signal approval. Kellie-Jay has it right; you have to be unequivocal. There is no leeway on wrong.

As long as you have the wish and energy for it I think your voice is important, no matter who you chose to work with and not. Only because people have different views it doesn't mean that some need to shut up or step out. Trust that you are wiser than many and that they need to here your perspective. Just try to take of yourself too.

I have so much respect for your experience and for your speaking up and out about this misogynistic and homophobic trans / gender ideology. I often feel spurred on to speak out against it, but no one listens. The world is caught up in a "be kind" movement that is actually a self-harm movement with tentacles of far-reaching mental health issues that no one is getting help for. I appreciate your point of view and will continue to support you on your channel. Thank you for all you’ve done and your continued efforts to halt this madness. Xx ❤

@KH-aug

7 ай бұрын

And there's *nothing" kind about it, just essentially weak and self-interested, doing what's easiest by not drawing lines, letting those with especially gnarly personality disorders set the agenda -- at least where those with power are concerned, like major media orgs.

Well, that's understandable - plus, you need to keep yourself happy & engaged with what you're engaging with - so I'll look forward to what your new content brings.

One of the big issues I find is the Jello block mentality, that all members of a group are homogeneous. However, trans is not a monolith. Lisa Littman's research on ROGD does a good job of beginning to address the nuances and differences between individual trans people. Childhood onset is different than adolescent onset is different than adult onset. There's dysphorias, both body and gender, comorbidities like depression and anxiety, and kink/fetish like autogynophilia. Very different, but gender affirming care treats them all the same, setting people on the most extreme path regardless of potential harm or long-term detriment or even accuracy of diagnosis.

Hi Carol, I agree that people are playing into "low-bar" discussions and actually there is a new wave of GC and "conservative" grifters who are getting a ton of press for their soft stance, barely pushing the envelope and missing the point entirely. I am going to publish a blog post on that very soon. I'm so glad to hear you speaking up. I was a bit sad when I saw the title of your video but honestly I get it, and I see that for you it's not about being silent and losing steam altogether, but more about distancing yourself from toxic spaces within the movement. I can relate because I distance myself and center my voice on my own platform too, but I do so for different reasons, as a black woman and also because I witness other forms of toxicity within radical feminist spaces.

I used to toy with the "true trans" belief but something always felt off about it. Like I kind of believed some people to be genuinely happy about transition but when I saw their mastectomy scars I felt nothing but immense grief. You said it perfectly Carol, this is a black and white matter. We can't object to the harm that is done to these people and then turn around and make exceptions.

@JJ-dg6lf

Ай бұрын

,,harm,, for you, is just a not so positive side effect for some, it's like a chemo therapy, yes this is harmful but it helps and maybe after chemo you will have so issues but these issues after treatment are nothing in comparisson to the actual disease, sorry my english is horrible. I'am also really gender crytical, a trans woman, and will have srs, and i know what you think, in the end i harm myself a bit, but in the end it will help my dysphoria to dissapear, the way isn't that great but the end result matters, and i would say that trans men can live more with scars than with boobs

@AlwaysCM47

Ай бұрын

@@JJ-dg6lf please don't go through with it, it will ruin your life in ways you can't yet imagine. I'm sorry you feel this immense distress over your body but destroying it will only create new kinds of pain, resentment and regret. You will always feel like an imposter, getting SRS will not change that, instead it marks you for life. Get actual help instead of medicalised self-harm.

@JJ-dg6lf

Ай бұрын

@@AlwaysCM47 thanks for your help, but for me it is like a sound of a whistle that comes over and over, i like carols channel but have to say that also transition is maybe not for everyone, a fact we have more to admit. Furthermore is it like she said a really invasive treatment, yes but vaginoplasty is crazy buut have better outcomes as the surgery for a trans man, which is really sad. I think some ppl have to think a lot more about there decisions, but i have to say since i have started my transition i really believed i could help myself without any surgeries etc.. But my dysphoria becomes more in more harder to bear, i'am 25 years now and after the start of HRT my life started to feel good and hopefull for the first time and yes maybe, maybe i have to have the POSSIBLE negative long term side effects more in my mind but for real, i feel alive for the first time. I have a partner now and having a d. was always shitty but now it's extremely hard to ignore the thing between my leg, i'am a woman and yes i don't want this thing down there, i will suffer from this my whole life if i don't do the surgery, maybe it's invasive but this is the life i want i wand a vagina because i'am a woman.

@AlwaysCM47

Ай бұрын

@@JJ-dg6lf you are not a woman and cutting yourself up won't change that. I'm not going to sugarcoat the truth for you or anyone else. You have a partner that loves you for who you are and yet you yourself can't see it. You are trapped in the downward spiral of "If I do this, things will get better" and it goes on and on, but it's never enough. You are looking for a kind of peace that mutilation cannot provide. You WANT srs to be the solution to all your problems. You are fixated on this plan and you don't WANT to think of other possibilities to ease your pain.

When I got my first pair of glasses I was amazed at all I could now see! And what all I never knew was there! That's comparable to how I think about this channel. After listening to your video, I see it now.

i completely agree with you that just limiting the age of when ppl can transition doesn’t completely get rid of the desire to transition, and it’s a much larger social issue of homophobia and misogyny. also the focus should be on actual therapy and counseling to deal with the mental distress ppl feel. we don’t give liposuction to anorexics, so i don’t know why we treat something that’s an issue of the mind with physical surgeries and body modifications. current mainstream gender critical activism still pushes the idea of true trans being a thing meanwhile these same ppl that are “happy” transitioners talk about the severe negative health effects they got from transition. we are so disconnected from our bodies nowadays that almost dying from synthetic hormone use is better than not being able to control how ppl see you

@JJ-dg6lf

Ай бұрын

Good point but, anorexia is a condition which results out of extrensic factors like the media and a lot of young women believe they are to fat for the world and that they never will find love, but this is a believe from outside, the inside get affected too. But transexuality is a intrinsic condition.

You make so much sense.

Black and white absolutist thinking is not realistic when dealing with humans. Drawing the line with minors is protecting children. For adults, actual and varied medical and psychological information is the most helpful. Each adult gets to choose in a self reflective and informed manner, where neither choice is shunned or vilified. Each person is unique as much as we are all the same. We benefit from hearing multiple opinions and perspectives/ lived experiences.

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

So transition as a treatment is ethical?

Thank you for that. It makes me sick when I hear people say: "adults should be able to do what they want with there bodies". My best friend, who is an adult, is planning to do a double mastectomy. She has some serious mental health issue, anyone who knows her can tell, and I am the only one telling her that going through that surgery to get rid of her breast is a bad idea. Even her mother is going along with it. The surgeon who is going to operate her didn't even ask for a gender dysphoria diagnosis. He is basically mutilating women on demand. He should be in prison. But I can't do anything because... "freedom to make bad decisions" I guess.

@SourPatches2077

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, it’s a medical ethics issue. In any other situation adults are not allowed to tell the doctors what to do.

@elissill1000

3 ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 She compares it to plastic surgery to justify it. But it's like compary having a nose job to having your nose cut off of your face because you hate it. It's mad and everyone knows that. But when it comes to "gender", people suddenly can't percieve the insanity. (Sorry if my sentences are weird or if I make mistakes, I'm not a native english speaker.)

Ended my transition of 13 yrs just months ago and was online looking for local support, and found things like “detrans or retrans” (no thanks). All the groups are on Facebook, too, which I ejected myself from, in an effort to cultivate real life relationships and experiences. 🤔 Anyway, thanks, Carol, for giving me the heads up on the detrans activist groups. You saved me some heartache and wasted time!

Thanks for your honesty and courage. I have a transgender nephew and godson and trying to understand and be present for them is hard but worth it as they are both amazing Human Beings.

I'm with you on this. The idea that physical changes should be done as a treatment for mental/emotional distress is nonsensical. That the treatment is iatrogenic, affects sex life and fertility, can be debilitating and lifelimiting, and potentially carcinogenic, only adds to the evidence against it. Moreover, research shows that it doesn't actually lead to better outcomes long-term than psychotherapy. 😫

You are a voice of reason!

I came to the same conclusion. That all medical transition is harmful. I want to leave room to think it’s ok for someone to transition but under extreme scrutiny by doctors. Like, I think you must be at least 25 years old, had three years of therapy or 150 hrs, and be able to understand that putting cross sex hormones into your body will only do harm. Then I always come back to the medical doctors should know that cross sex hormones will only do harm so how is that even medically ethically to allow someone to medically transition. I also found it best to walk away from the trans and detrans community for my mental health. Always like to hear what other people think and where the communities general stand.

I also said before that surgery should be 25+ only. I didn't think about the self harm theory🤔, I was thinking they're an adult proper now, they can do what they're doing. I looked at it that way because of all the kids and teens rushing into transhood and the sadistic enablers. I was about informed choice more than stopping it completely.

So many thumbs up. It was not rambling. I appreciate you making this statement SO much!

Very important video, thank you for putting your thoughts out there.

this is kinda where i’m at. it hurts me because my two older siblings are trans. (ftm AND mtf. adult transitioners.) watching them mutilate their bodies and not be allowed to say anything about it because otherwise i’m a “terf” (the mtf actually did end up calling me one) was the hardest thing anyone i have ever loved has asked me to do. the hormones completely changed them as people. and im told its ok. it’s ok that they are still lost and confused and getting fed lies because supposedly adults can’t be vulnerable. there’s a sick pit in the middle of my stomach that someday they’ll wake up and realize that their “dream” is a nightmare and always was. that the things that were broken before are still broken. only now its not just on the inside, its on the outside too. some things are black and white. i have no hate in my heart for anyone still lost. i just hurt for them

preach. I'm trying to stay positive but today i'm falling down the hole. the point about 'drawing lines' is precisely the issue isnt it. i'd say sure people have any right to treat their body however but why do surgeons? Same reason i'm against cosmetic surgery lol. I value your videos so much. I'm a just barely desisted (in that my identification never went too far) bisexual woman and 'hardline' (i don't think its hardline at al its perfectly reasonable!) lesbian destrans women are the women i most agree with / relate to on all this. i see so much excusing homophobia, so much refusal to introspect on their engagement in gender/ gender roles and so little curiosity to imagine a different world.

I am not sure which GC feminists you're talking about, those around me don't believe in true trans. I find your voice very important and I am glad you will keep on speaking on the way you are.

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

Not feminist

@steph744

7 ай бұрын

yes I thought about it after gender critical people like markus. @@SourPatches2077

I can relate to your perspective, but know that there needs to be room for the multiple perspectives that actually exist. The more actual info ( as opposed to rhetoric) the better.

Thank you for your honesty and your clarity of thought. Agree totally.

11:46 You've got it, yeah baby you've got it! ❤

I agree with you Carol. I don't buy the idea of being born in the wrong body. I've thought a bit about the inter sex group, perhaps there are some people there who might need some help to look a bit more like they feel idk. But I would so wish the doctors and surgeons to tread lightly. Be gentle. I never really understood why we shifted from rebelling against stereotypes to butchering ourselves to fit them? Each and everyone have the right to authenticity, health and dignity. Thank you for another great vid.

I think that being an adult is enough reason to leave twitter.

It's truly soul crushing how they demand you accept their choice, but they cannot accept yours. Acceptance in this matter is a two way door. You can't expect someone else to hold the door open and ensure it won't hit your ass as you pass, if you don't do that for them. It's also very strange how they think it's the "intolerant bigots" that are the problem/danger, yet it's themselves doing their own damage to their own credibility and their own "people".

You are not wrong, 'gender' ideology must go. It's an all or nothing issue. Re the Genspect debacle, have you seen the recent conversation on Benjamin Boyce's KZread between Stella O'Malley and Kelly J Keen discussing just that?

Carol, you totally read my mind! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I appreciate your perspective and it definitely made me think about where the line is to be drawn, what makes transition ok and what doesn't. I do see your point, absolutely but for me, this is rather a philosophical question than one that is rooted in reality, the reason being that we could have this discussion about lots of things (like is drinking alcohol ok when it's extremely harmful on so many levels, just to give a simple example). And having these discussions is good and important, don't get me wrong! But bringing it back to reality, I think I still stand by the point that I don't like the thought of other people deciding for me what makes me happy. I transitioned in my late 20s and I've never been happier in my entire life. Could there have been another way to reach this happiness? I don't know, maybe. I'm not ruling that possibility out entirely but who could really know? If I regret things at the end of my life I want to regret my own decisions, not things I couldn't do because someone else decided that they weren't ok (I'm obviously talking about things that don't involve harming other people). Would love to hear your thoughts on this! I'm always open for deep conversations :)

activism is a hobby meant to fill a void in meaningless lives to live your life & not stare into the digital abyss of trans, detrans, LGBT ect - thats how you get out. thats how you win.

@sheenahill4193

Ай бұрын

Win what ? They still follow and be a sheep just like looking at a screen

Adults can have bad mental health and delusions. It's like people forget this or don't care.

One can't be a serious trans activist and simply disregard the diverse positions and realities of DTers. Your work in this space has value because it's putting on the record all the victims of the movement itself that they would rather ignore. GC thought is diverse. DTers are diverse. There are moderates, left-wing and right-wingers who oppose the ideology in some form. Keeping the pressure up from all different corners is crucial. What unites us is that we're all opposed and demonized by the same singular set of activists and their hapless allies. When an out-group is created by exclusion and purity tests, it will eventually become bigger than the in-group.

Your voice will help people who are just now waking up to understand this terrain.

I totally agree with you. GC people need to stop saying this is ok. Anyway, I think it is important to hear "detrans" voices since you have the knowledge about how this brainwash works.

carol!!!!!! sad to hear this , please stay well !!!!!!!

I have great respect for you Carol! But I do want to mention if persons like yourself do not keep crying in the wilderness we are going to stay in the wilderness. You are able to speak to these things with a quite a bit of authority the rest of us don’t have. Yes, I agree we are going to end up with weird compromises if no one stands up to say the emperor has no cloths!

@SourPatches2077

3 ай бұрын

Well that’s why I have my channel.

You are smart to get away from Twitter. Good luck, because it does get better. ;)

Thankyou for speaking out very powerful

When we say that "trans ideology is not going anywhere," we're assuming that the GC's in the professional world are "missing the big picture," and "missing the root cause," as stated. However, if any of these GC's grasp the root causes, or understand the big picture, then what that would look like under the specter of institutional politics needs to be contemplated. If it has not been contemplated, then all of the above is open for scrutiny. For instance, it is not reasonable to assert that allowing transition for only those who are 18 and over is a capitulation, any more than keeping transition accessible for those under 18 right now is an enduring defeat. An alternative view is that if one domain is conquered, another may follow, especially if we're considering the medical profession. And especially where certain priorities are more urgent than others. Although incremental progress is a philosophical point of disagreement, the "support of the industry" claim, and "category of treatment" claim is also something that becomes less powerful the more that barriers are erected, which barriers include disallowing the under-18. What you are proposing, instead, is an "all-or-nothing" approach. I understand the desire to cut off the snake at its head. However, the rivals to the gender-ideology groups, as they struggle to establish themselves in the professional realm, have to contend with the fact that an access to evidence-based services (as opposed to affirmation-only based services) is at this point going to depend on their image as non-transphobes, and as accepting to those caught up in the ideology, while they seek to reform the indoctrinated out of that indoctrination. I have a personal example in my own life where accusations of transphobia against these alternative psychology groups prevented a close family member from accessing their services, because perception is not on our side here. Let me give an example: Suppose you want to bring cult members out of a cult. Is your best way to do that going to have any chance of success by demonizing a cult member the second he arrives in your office? No. What needs to be understood is that some organizations are playing the long game, and as much as it can be perceived from the outside as some sort of surrender, it may just be akin to what a seasoned detective does when they spend all day in the room of a suspect bringing him cheeseburgers and cigarettes, in order to arrive at a confession at the end of the day (it's called meeting a patient where they are at). It is a matter of persuasion. You may think that this only figures once a client gets into the office, but there is a political game here as well, where the optics are crucial; where parents who are sucked into the bad ideology will only be won by the good practitioners if a friendly pretense to their world-view is woven into the approach. If Genspect had the same goals as KJK, they would enact it. But they don't. And so they have different strategies. This needs to be understood for winning the much more circuitous game that occupies itself with reform of the professions, because for that game it's not as easy as getting a bunch of therapists on some rooftop with a megaphone shouting, "down with trans-ideology,"... that isn't a game-plan at all, it is a death-sentence. If it were the game, they would be a bunch of independent KJK's instead of an association trying to reform things. And to the extent an alternative approach to what KJK does is a necessity in that domain, then all of these complaints feel a bit to me like - as someone whose' family has been impacted by this - I'm trying to rob a store by sneaking in quietly, and you all are smashing a brick through the glass front door, setting off the alarm, and screwing it up for those who see the nuance. Yes, how exactly to mind the public perception while also staying true to the cause can be challenging, and some mistakes can be made, and sometimes those mistakes are going to be perceived by you as a violation of principle. But that is easy for you to say, when you're not dealing with a younger sibling who you need to show some understanding towards instead of demonizing them from the outset (or, by extension, demonizing the cult they are wrapped up in, which can equally lead to them rejecting you, as I've already experienced). But the fact is, it's a dilemma that only those groups who are trying to change the professions face, and that from your angle don't have to consider at all. To be absolutist about it, as if every front-line is the same, is foolish. And to assume that missteps are just unforgivable, when the terrain of practice-based advocacy is far more complicated than political-base advocacy, is short-sighted, and ultimately, detrimental to the wider cause.

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

You can stick with the stance that we need evidence based care for all with regard to this treatment and stop there. There are ways of doing this that don’t still allow an in for trans ideology like platforming trans identified people does. Or saying this is just a youth issue.

@EvanWells1

7 ай бұрын

That point entirely depends on what "platforming" means, and what could be perceived as "platforming." But there are things to consider. For instance how awareness can be raised/education can be done/discussions can be had when accusations of "platforming" can be made by anyone. I get that many might have a problem with "A Wider Lens" podcast having certain people on who have transitioned but who are against child transition, or James Cantor because of his views on pedophilia. I happen to welcome these kinds of discussions. One will see that these interviews are often not an endorsement of the guests views. And I also think it is a part of Sasha and Stella's own effort to educate themselves by having these discussions. While these researchers influence the profession with their papers and studies, it is more advantageous to scrutinize them instead of letting their work go on without a spotlight at all. Is this "platforming?" I've learned from trans-individuals how much the landscape has changed from when they transitioned to how ROGD kids are getting into it now. It is helpful for my education. Is this "platforming?" What about those who have transitioned who have altered themselves so profoundly that they cannot detransition, or even discontinue their HRT because no one knows how it will impact their health, like Corrina Cohn? I find their insight valuable as well. Is interviewing them "platforming?" I do not believe that Illy's book should have been put on Genspect's reading list, and it is clear from statements made that this was an oversight because the organization has not drafted policies that need to be drafted. While it is incredibly unfortunate, and while they do need to be held accountable for this, it is the sort of thing that every fledgling organization experiences. Things are not ironed out the second an organization is created. As for who is allowed in, I think that this also depends on the strategy, but one must admit that it just isn't simple. How does one draft a policy that forbids cross-dressing for males, but allows a lesbian who may be wearing a suit? If one gets on that page, it may slide to a point where many LGB would no longer feel welcome. I'm not saying nothing can be done to address this. Maybe conferences aren't the sort of thing this group can do at all because the tent will just be too big to fit purposes. What I'm saying is: it's complicated. But in the meantime, the organization has helped a lot of people by referring them to professionals who are not captured by gender-ideology, and if one thinks this is crucial, as I do, I'm not willing to throw them under the bus wholesale. That's all I'm saying. @@SourPatches2077

I don't particularly follow the anti-trans GC drama, with groups like Genspect and whatever AGP-gate is, but in the circles I do move in there's certainly awareness that youth transition is the chosen battleground because it's an easier battle, with stronger legal protections and (in theory) more stringent academic requirements. Political maneuvering is not pretty, but it seems to be paying off in various places. Obviously what feels right is to start yelling "what's wrong with you?" in the face of tons of people. That's not really how you dismantle a religion, though.

@SourPatches2077

6 ай бұрын

Yep, well that’s why I won’t be a part of that conversation anymore.

Your thoughts and input are always very valuable, so I'm sorry you're leaving. But it's your right and choice. I can understand that you feel betrayed by people and organisations that aren't holding the line about AGPs. Paraphilias are by definition harmful and abusive, they usually target women and children, and they escalate. So to validate any paraphilia is to validate abuse of women and children and its escalation. I do know there are feminist groups and individuals who are holding boundaries against paraphilias, by centring women and children. I completely agree that 'trans' ideology is homophobic and misogynistic, and I think we can only understand and fight it effectively using that perspective. Huge numbers of 'trans' AGPs target women and lesbians in particular and have destroyed lesbian communities. Thank you so much for what you've done to help and educate. Now in this video you're warning people and holding a line. Thank you for that too! I've recommended your videos to lots of people. You've given a lot, so I hope you will enjoy some rest and respite. ♀️♀️

another great video. i would like to add on top of trans adults not truly making these decisions on their own, i personally believe wanting surgery that unneccessarily mutilates your genitals, and ability to engage in sxual activity and even urinating, is an adult that is not of sound mind. wanting bottom surgery is a litmus test of whether or not a person can really consent to such "treatments" and i use that term loosely

"Adults can do whatever they want." Can they really? And if they could, should they? "Adults don't typically do their own cosmetic surgery or any other kind of surgery. They have to pay somebody else to do it. Unless they've gone so bonkers as to start hacking away at their own body parts. Which is rare and lands them first in the emergency room and then mental health inpatient. Adults can do whatever they are capable of doing themselves if nobody is able to stop them. But doctors and all of the medical, mental and pharmaceutical industries are supposed to be regulated. If people have qualms about regulating adult behavior, we can and should still regulate what the medical industry is allowed too do to a person. And we do have all kinds of laws regulating individual behavior already anyway. It's called a cohesive society. I don't think cosmetic surgery/plastic surgery should be allowed as an elective procedure anyway. Those surgeries were created as corrective surgeries for people who have been disfigured in an accident, or born with a disfigurement. Treating it like a bottle of make up or a day at the spa for depressed people that spend too much time thinking about their nose or their butt should never have been allowed to begin with. Don't even get me going on the thing people try to have done to their house or car or other property and find out they can not because of zoning, building codes, safety codes, environmental codes, etc. No. Adults can't just do whatever we want.

@tinahochstetler2189

2 ай бұрын

Sorry. That got long. And to clarify - I'm agreeing with you.

The focus on stopping kids from accessing 'medical transition' is mostly legal. The big problem is in the arbitrary demarcation of the age of 18 being legally defined as being an 'adult' which confers all 'rights' afforded to that legal status such as the right to make personal medical decisions for oneself regardless of any developmental delays or mental illnesses. The only way to stop people from pursuing such 'medical treatments' is to make those procedures illegal. Then that opens up a whole 'nother can of worms like the @bortion issue in that some procedures are medically necessary under certain circumstances such as breast or testicular cancer. Practitioners will just circumvent 'medical necessity' for certain 'transition' procedures by submitting to insurance under a different code. Until the Obamacare and military and Medicaid mandates to cover such procedures is permanently repealed there is money to be made. The financial incentive is what is fueling the 'trans' industry. Focusing on preventing the 'gender' mutilation of children is merely a step in a long road.

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I’ve heard this said again and again. And I don’t believe it. I think as soon as it’s outlawed for kids everyone is going to move on and say “adults can do what they want”, because that’s what most are saying now.

@awakened3651

7 ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 I don't disagree. That road is gonna be a very long one because there is no definition of what an 'adult', or Woman or Man even is. 'Adult' at 18 is a totally random demarcation line. The 'law' is nebulous and problematic. It will require a societal shift to end the 'gender' debacle. Lobotomies were never outlawed, the procedure just faded away over decades as practitioners, patients and families realized their harms. The 'inventor' of the procedure still possesses a Nobel Prize for his 'great contribution to medicine'.

I just found your channel. Yes, it's most important to stop minors from any step towards transitioning because they don't have the mental capacity yet to understand. An adult you have to let take their own decisions. Like, if someone would want to tattoo their eyeballs I would probably say that I don't think that it's a good idea and that blindness is probably the result. But I would not physically stop them from doing it. At some age you have to assume the adult person did their research, looked at pro and con and longterm consequences and made a decision right for them. And honestly, it's impossible to save adult people from themselves. Minors are another thing altogether. And vulnerable impaired adults with mental health issues are a difficult question. Where and how should one establish if they are capable to take such a decision for themselves? I don't know. Also... I think I prefer that there is an official way to get your parts chopped off rather than shady backyard practices. I don't think the mental illness of thinking that you have the right brain in the wrong body will go anywhere and if you close the official health care way backyards may happen. That being said... There must be a proper standard of care and legal liability for surgeons and as far as I understand that isn't the case today. And so backyard quality happens under the name of official health care with insurance. And that has to stop.

Praying for you you are so cool and important

Carol, well done for leaving the Transhumanist's private abuse club (Twatter). I hope to see you on spinster some day.

I would disagree with your POV because i don't like extremes(all or none).I am for nuance.What makes it ok for some? I would say it's ok for someone who is an adult first and then has really questioned their dysphoria: Do i feel like this because i'm depressed/autistic/homophobic/other traumas or disorders? Do i do this because i want to feel special and i need attention?Someone who knows the risks and the fact that turning back to current version might not be possible after transition.Blaire White for example is happy with her transition.Could she had transitioned because of trauma or internalized homophobia? Probably,i don't know.But traumas take a very long time to heal( if they ever heal) and internalized homophobia also takes a lot to deconstruct. Maybe transitioning was not the ideal approach but it worked and continues to work for her. Ppl must also understand that this path is for life.They constantly need to maintain their changes via hormones.Another example of a trans who is happy is Marcus Dib( FTM).He knows he's biologically a woman who is suffering of gender dysphoria and knows that he will never be a man.All he can be is a trans man and he's content with it.

@SourPatches2077

3 ай бұрын

That’s all well and good but it’s an unethical treatment.Mental health and medical care should not be engaged with transition as treatment. It’s not a treatment. It makes no difference if someone wants it or not. It’s also unethical to allow people to falsify their legal documents and mislead people. It is also unethical for people to lie and gain access to sex segregated spaces they don’t belong in.

@criticalthinking9924

3 ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 Thinking about your POV yes maybe we should try for a period of time to do the reverse of what is happening now:meaning no transitioning and just trying psychotherapy and the deconstruction of the reasons for dysphoria. It was probably never actually tried even with the older generations of trans.But realistically speaking i don't see this ever happening simply because the interest is never to cure anything but to have cashcows for life.

So logical! The I don’t care answer is just laziness!

I 100% think you are right that harming yourself and changing your healthy body to look like something its not is wrong for everyone…but I think you missed the mark on plastic surgery. many many people start out with just 1 little procedure but those doctor and plastic surgery professionals prey on vulnerable people and point out their flaws and other issues convincing them (even if they say no thank you) that there is something wrong with them and this new procedure can fix it. I watch a video of this woman who kept getting things done because the doctor would point out… "oh on side of our mouth is more droopy…your eyes are uneven…you should really get that fixed” she would say no thats ok I am happy with how I look. but then 10 days later….” well I really think you should consider this procedure..its so small and harmless and your blemish is so bad. Lets just fix it up real quick” this happens all the time to people. We need to start promoting, in our own families, friend groups and circles radical acceptance of ourselves..including all of our flaws and blemishes. I think the trans stuff is just a continuation of this industry that preys on people hating their bodies and having dysmorphia. body dysmorphia is not just about gender….its about looks too.

I am only partly through your video about the trans ok for adults and I agree 100% they are going after autistic adults I have a friend who transed due to a joke... This movement is evil !!!!

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

So is the mental health community and medical community. With out their approval this wouldn’t happen.

@weouryourthem

7 ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 true without doctors none of this could happen I can't believe the doctors are not speaking out for the children, pediatricians are in on it, all of them is terrible.

What are your thoughts on Blaire White? I also asked Blaire her thoughts about your channel. You are a great mind.

@SourPatches2077

Ай бұрын

I don’t put him in any other place other than firmly in trans ideology. GC transsexual is nonsense and they are no different then any other trans identified person.

@sarahmercury2541

Ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 you really make me think.. thank you

I've been saying 'Don't change your body around your mental struggles'. Change your clothes, your pronouns and whatever if you want to get into the weeds of it all, but to cut and alter your body irreparably? Come on now...

I think this is super interesting and it’s not a take I’ve heard before - that any transition should be banned. It’s a point I’m just mulling over now, bear with me please. Do you think assisted suicide is a good idea, a good idea for some (maybe those facing an imminent painful end), should there be a line in that sand? Different countries have different laws on assisted suicide, from completely illegal, illegal but rarely enforced in end of life care, to those countries where persistent depression can be grounds for AS. I think the idea that the medical community would engage in self harm to the ultimate end is on one hand counter intuitive to the extreme, but if you know much about MND or other such terrible diseases, I can well understand someone’s desire to take back just a little control. I know that’s a sketchy comparison in some ways, but a lot of the community considers it a death of the old self, so maybe not (would that make you resurrected?!) So I’m wondering if it is a cultural decision; if a culture has gone fully down the rabbit hole, does it have to put in more stringent restrictions than were there before? I live in a world of nuance and I see the cultural shift towards an anything goes, burn it all down, including language, our basic understanding of who we are etc to be far greater than the spear end of the trans rights that we are currently being assaulted with.

@SourPatches2077

2 ай бұрын

To clarify, I don’t believe transition should be outlawed by the state or government. It should not be a treatment provided by the medical and mental health field. It’s a cosmetic surgery, if adults want cosmetic surgery that can do that.

@BottlegardenUK

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the reply, good to get the clarification. Do you think if doctors were allowed to offer the gamut of treatments that have been banned in some countries, leaving only gender affirming options, that would be better? I think resisting the idea that I have to lie to myself (and others) about what I see in front of me , with regards pronouns is a no-brainer. I won’t lie.

check out Mia Hughes talking with Benjamin Boyce about the WPATH Files. She would agree with you that none of these "treatments" should be available to anyone and makes the comparison with amputee fetishists who want to become amputees - if that's unethical then surely amputating breasts and genitals is also unethical

@SourPatches2077

3 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it. Although I can’t stand Boyce so I won’t be watching that. 😂

@nastja33

3 ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 i feelz ya lol. he annoys the shit out of me but unfortunately he gets some important guests

"Ain't that some shit!" .....It certainly is.

Carol... Didn't you write a book? I'm sure it was you. Am I wrong? Would you give me the name of the book. To review.

@SourPatches2077

4 ай бұрын

I did not write a book.

Wow that was not a video I expected from you my favourite thoughtful butch lesbian Black and white thinking I didn't have you down for that ever. I think you are right in a few ways but wrong in others. If it is doing you harm get out. But in terms of comments depending where you are hanging out makes a difference. To much that I see is panto - a UK thing - she has got a penis - no he has got a penis round and round and round All pointless except while learning about the evil nonsense. I am UK based but I see things changing and at an increasing pace. TRAs pushed at an open door and kept on pushing but now they are starting to lose because once the debate starts the nonsense stands clear and very much most people do not like what they see. There was a Reason for no debate and fear and intimidation. And it worked but that is changing. Personally I think sports is a big one. Look willy man you ain't playing female/women's sports. Easily won and with it the whole nonsense starts falling over. And that nonsense is now deep. One of the best things I happened upon - after coming into the area with an open but puzzled mind - was the Caitlin Jenner documentary on Netflix. I didn't feel it had an agenda but just showed how affected someone could be and how it affected those around them and for a lifetime. And before it became the trendy fashion thing it is now. It doesn't mean you can change sex though. You can want to be the opposite sex but that is different. And sad for those that are like that. In the past "real" trans people wanted to quietly fit in and for some that is still the case. Now they are .. well... a bit different. Lovely to have you come across my feed again x

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

Some things in this world are black and White / right and wrong. I’ve never subscribed to the idea that there aren’t truths.

The problem is that this issue is not actually disconnected from the freedom/self harm issue. “Transition” if taken out of the “treatment” space will return to the space before activism kicked off where it was done but classed “cosmetically”. So your 18 year old could still have it done. In fact many things exist in this space since we tossed the concept of sane limits in the trash. Personally, I think we have taken the personal freedom issue too far. Eugenia Cooney is publicly dying in front of everyone’s eyes as an example to this. There should be a limit to personal choices and what that line is needs to be discussed so we can better redraw it as a society. I would rather Eugenia was alive institutionalized and getting therapy. Perhaps some people disagree, but we need to have this conversation. To draw an old world example…. What societally have we put into place to stop modern day foot binding? Currently? Practically nothing. A huge tilt towards transhumanism and freedom have created this dynamic and it not a healthy one. All medicines are poisons at the wrong dose. Freedom is not an exception.

@KH-aug

7 ай бұрын

But if it's all classed as cosmetic body mod in the BDSM mindset given the actual harm it creates, insurance won't pay and only a fraction of those now being damaged will be in future. It'd be a start anyway.

I realy don't get the idea of "black and white" here... I 'm under the impression that because it was harmfull to you (and i can totaly hear that. I empathise with that, even if of course i would totaly understand that you don't give a shit about it) , and that it should not have been prescribed to you, then it has to be harmfull for everyone... (maybee that is not what you're saying then you can ignore everything after that) I've been diagnostiqued depression (my psychiatrist diagnostiqued a lack of serotonin to be precise... but it's the same treatment as depression... so....) and i was prescribed seroplex for 4 years... It didn't realy help much, it hurted me sometime, especialy if i forgot one day or two to take it as the withdrawal is not realy good... And now i'm pretty confident that it was not a good solution for me. I was also prescribed anxiolitique and it didn't help and sometime hurted me as well ( couldn't go near any windows and couldn't go closer to 3 meter of any public transport that was not stoped because of the fear of killing myself it for two weeks at some point) And i don't think those product should be ban, just that the medical environment would work better at finding thing that work and don't hurt me, and who would hear more how i feel about everything, and a society that help people listening to what make them feel better in the long run more efficiently, with less pressure to conform. That, yes. but banning seroplex? if studie doesn't show that it generaly do more harm than good, no. and my bad experience doesn't change much that. And arround me, as somoene who is not part of any "trans activist" group, what i see of the people arround me who transitionned, is that some of them seem to go far better now, even if they still have some problem, other still have a fucking lot of thing to work out... but doesn't seem to be worth now than before. and none say crazy thing about chirurgy of minor, etc. as a cis heterosuxual (not exactly heteronormed, but not far either) , their point of view on it, the way they live it, etc. Every thing seem not more fucked up than most shit i see everywhere else. (and i've seen or heard of quite a few in every social group/ organisation i've been in or heard of from relative who where there.) "[adult] do fucking stupid shit and ruin their body's, but they are not doint it with the support of an industri/community".... Hmm. I definitly don't agree with that. Smoking/hard drugs/alcool/ risquy behavior/ etc... Most thing that definitly ruined the body at a young age of people arround me by their "own" decision (with mose of the time far less visible benefice than the people arround me who decided to transition after a long reflexion) ... have been encouraged in different way by the people arround them (weed ,cocain, heroine, violence ) by industrie (smoking...), by their community (violence again and high risk behavior) or people who pretend to have healing capability (charlatan with or withouth cultish behavior). I realy don't see something that much more different here even when studying the worst case scenario of transition. i have friend who killed himself just from weed and badly treaded schyzophrenia and relative being clueless about what to do... it was quite gruesom. and it has a touch of everything you talk about: friend validating him taking weed or not finding a way to discourage him and going away( me), support of his dealer and the industri behind it, the impression it would resolve his problem (relation with womens...), etc. and i could continue with other story as well. anyway, i wich you goodluck in the thing you will do for yourself in the future. hope thing get better in the way that work for you.

5:35 genuine question: how does detrans activism survive if they condemn transition as a whole? Trans support groups will go out of their way to destroy even slightly trans-doubtful therapists. At what point does saying "transition is ok for *some people*" become a defense mechanism?

@SourPatches2077

2 ай бұрын

Not sure what you’re asking.

I don't know why you don't get more views.

@SourPatches2077

13 күн бұрын

Shadow banning and I don’t do click bait.

I don’t think they support ANY medicalisation of what is a psychological issue, but there is little scope to change that as opposed to changing treatments for children

I literally dont know why this popped up on my home page as I am an intersectional feminist cis lesbian who supports all trans people and gender non conforming people and completely disagree with your takes. I also support all people who choose to detransition if they choose to, but I mean slay queen speak your truth on here if you want since it's your space, it was at least interesting listening to you speak about it even though I hard disagree.

I feel sad for you. 😥☮️🖖

Phil illy looked amazing in a blue dress.

@miroirs-jumeaux

4 ай бұрын

I respect your opinion, and disagree entirely.

I think Genspect is upfront about their purpose

They’re not saying it’s okay FFS! It’s more that we have no way to stop them

Good you stopped being a sheep

Black and white thinking

Sad to see smart people go from on cult to another. Carol is prime example of this. Very heart breaking to see lesbian woman first fall victim to internalized homophobia then internalized transphobia

@Lizzie2745

6 ай бұрын

This person is anything but intelligent, denying the science behind transsexuality to push an agenda is stupid and even some GC's know this

Transition was not harmful to me but I'm trans-feminine. Estrogen lowered my triglycerides, cholesterol, and blood pressure. I transitioned to hold onto my male youth and I still present as male despite having to lie and say that I want to be a woman. I want to be a twink that looks like he is in his early teens. I have perfect health and look great. Quite honestly I don't care how many have to go the the meat grinder questioning their trauma or reliving their rape or trying to fit into society. You made the choice to take T and it's tough on the body; I know because I'm male and thankfully got rid of it. I didn't become or try to become something I wasn't. I just wanted to stay the same as a beautiful "adult boy." We have everything to lose and we will defend gender transition and cross hormones prescriptions. We may be forced into buying them off the street like a junkie which is insane considering none of this "detransitioner rights crap and testimonals" was a thing 15 years ago when I went through this. I saw one video on youtube in 2008 and that person detransition and then retransitioned. Get a grip!

@priestjinx

3 күн бұрын

being an adult who wants to look like a child is unhealthy for a multitude of reasons

@DorianPaige00

3 күн бұрын

@@priestjinx If a woman wanted to stay thin and get breast reduction, you'd essentially have the same child-like body but on the female side and every man would praise her. My identity is for me and my adult-boy partner who is similar. I realized before I was in my tweens if a had such inclinations to live my adult life in a boy's frame that I should preserve, restrict, stunt, and use gender medicine. It's an alternative to something quite nasty of which there isn't much of a way out of. However, I'm in perfect health and exercise several hours a day and I'm almost 50. Everybody in my family had poor health starting at 35 yet I retired last year and am worth quite a bit and have people still ask me where I intend to go to college. It's a nice life. Other men in my family have heart attacks in their 40's and are morbidly obese yet they scorn and ridicule me. They have no problem telling me that my destiny is to be a man and then when one dies and it's like the worst tragedy. Supposedly the man in the sky is watching over and everything is predetermined and we'll all one day be reunited for a kumbaya. That is if we believe and keep praying. They guilt trip me by telling me how often they pray and how much time they devote to my case. Go ahead and age yourself and you might as well ask all the men in our family to use their muscles and make war. They destroy everything they touch and men can't even have sex with their wives without mutilating her. I'd like to ask one of the them how they have the balls to keep going. This isn't some form of random abuse; this is what bodies are designed for and the design is so bad that I don't know how somebody could not know that they are freaks of nature. They further distance themselves from their earthly relations by a pregnancy is God's blessing and he is the creator of the new life. It just shows me they can't really deal to well with marital relations but see no problem restricting mine.

Trans people are not going away. We just need to figure out how to keep people safe. Transition is not easy. You seem very upset. 😥☮️🖖

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

No such thing as trans people.

@miriamlana833

7 ай бұрын

@@SourPatches2077 you are the one who decides that by saying so?

@michrae_j

7 ай бұрын

​@@SourPatches2077so you are saying I don't exist? 🤔🙃☮️🖖

@michrae_j

7 ай бұрын

​@@SourPatches2077Transgender people were here long before you were born. They will be here long after you or I are gone. Denying the existence of people is wrong and you know it. 🤷🙃☮️🖖

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

@@michrae_j define what a trans person is.

Phil Illy isnt a creep. He's brilliant and everyone should read his book.

@SourPatches2077

7 ай бұрын

Lol! Right

@neildunford241

7 ай бұрын

Phil is trying to intellectualise his paraphilia, in an attempt to make it more palatable for him to engage in his paraphilia - in public. Knowing that others are witnessing what arouses him sexually. There's 3 key elements when it comes to healthy sexuality & sex. Intent, consent & respect. His intentions are obvious. And consent & respect, do not play a part in that.

@Mudskippered

7 ай бұрын

no - - he is a child abusing predator and your comment is a giant red flag

@weecharlie01

7 ай бұрын

He is a big bit creepy 👀

@impossibleagent3663

7 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣