Really enjoyed this breakdown and review. Great work, Jesse!

@JesseTate

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks @Jim Woods! Sorry about the delayed response! I really do appreciate the support. Had a hectic couple months but hope to get back on the train soon here.

Also check and see if you have any videos set to “unlisted or private” some of your videos in some of the playlists aren’t watchable and I wasn’t sure if that was a mistake or not.

And I thought it was just me... thanks for the video!

@JesseTate

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yes! Gladly. Definitely not just you. Still, a bit surprising to me to see how many people did like it. About a third of the people I know liked it, a third were mixed but generally unfavorable, and a third outright disliked it. I suppose I can understand those who liked it; but I definitely don't resonate with them. Just different priorities, I guess. More spectacle and fast-paced blokes

I completely agree. I wanted my money back.

The physics plot holes aside, I didn't really buy the villain's rationale for wanting to annihilate everything. Maybe I don't remember but it just seemed like "I'm dying of cancer, I think I'll destroy the world with this McGuffin"

Tenet universe is film reel universe as you said, not an interactive game universe. If you wanted to burn toothpick which you used to stab watermelon in past, there would be an event which would have prevented you from doing so, maybe your time machine broke down, or matches got wet, end result whatever happens happened, events will play out as they always have. By your logic Arrival, Donnie Darko, Looper, Predestination, Knowing all are shit movies because they don't many worlds interpretation (which not the only interpretation of wave function collapse, there's stochastic interpretation) and live in a film reel world where there's only one way things can play out. Ofcourse there's bootstrap paradox, and holes in glasses as they are manufactured paradox which I don't know how to resolve.

@NzeRekoRec

9 ай бұрын

I know this comment is 2 years old but I still had to ask what makes you think Arrivals world is deterministic? Aliens experience time differently and that's why she can see the future..but the whole point of the ending is that she CHOOSES to have a child even though she knows that the child will die at young age. Maybe you can interpret it differently but I don't see anything stopping her to change her future.

Nolan already proved he can make a great movie with great character development in inception and interstellar(dont forget the batman series atleast the first one). I think its okay he can make a fun movie with little plot, just concepts and ideas designed to loggically explain a paradox. Im fine he sacrificed plot for ideas, atleast its not leon the professional and it felt like a fun movie to watch like the transformer movie or fast and the furious movies but with a beautiful nolan style

A friend and I drove all the way to Reno to watch Tenet on its opening night. I left the theater feeling tired, frustrated, confused, and apathetic toward the spectacle I just watched. Overall, I felt very similar to the way you appear to feel about the movie, only I did a much poorer job at articulating why. I agree with you whole heartedly. Tenet was "more recycled time travel ideas, only shot in a crazier way and at a more break neck pace, and with more loquacious exposition thrown in which, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure was intended to help us actually follow the complexity of the concepts, or to simply hide that they were, in the end, the same time travel impossibilities" (6:25). As someone who had trouble following the movie, I can confirm that the wordy and tangled dialogue did little to help me understand the concepts. Rather, it seemed as if Nolan was intentionally trying to pound the audience into submission with jargon so that they would shut up, accept what he was trying to show, and enjoy the spectacle. It felt like I was a kid trying to put together two mismatched puzzle pieces, and Nolan slapped the pieces out of my hands and said, "You're too stupid to figure it out anyway. Trust me. I know what I'm doing." Maybe I would have enjoyed this movie more if I had turned my brain off and didn't try so hard to make sense of it. I don't think that's a compliment, seeing as the best films are often those that not only make the audience think, but benefit from doing so. Tenet is a basic time travel movie that is trying really hard to convince the audience that it isn't a basic time travel movie, and it did so by being overly complicated and convoluted. All flash and no substance. As you mentioned, most time travel films succeed when they showcase one simple, albeit paradoxical, concept, with the primary focus still directed toward the characters and story. That way, the audience can follow along with the plot and not get a migraine. I have seen seven Nolan films, and this is so far my least favorite. I would give it a 2/5. I don't have a very good understanding of physics or time travel, so many of the terms you used in the first half of the video (relativistic models of space time, quantum physics, superposition, many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, quantum randomness, laws of classical physics, causal time loop, block universe, etc.) fell on deaf ears. While you did try to explain them, I still wasn't fully able to grasp the concepts you aimed to analyze. For laymen like me, maybe try using more visual and allegorical means of analysis in future videos. The chopstick and the watermelon, while a strange choice of visual, really did help me understand the idea you were trying to get across. You seem very well read on physics, which is great. However, the most commercially successful physicists (Stephen Hawking, Brian Greene, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson, etc.) are able to share their knowledge in a very user friendly way. Also, what books would you recommend to someone like me who doesn't understand theoretical physics all too well, but would like to learn? I would love it if you reviewed other Nolan films, especially ones that deal with time and reality like Inception, Memento, The Prestige, and Interstellar. You definitely have the vocabulary necessary to discuss such things at length. Maybe the beginning of your movie review series can be the Nolan filmography, although I know the KZread algorithm would favor you more if your reviews focused on contemporary movies. I agree with Eric Sanden that you should give The Lighthouse a watch. While you're at it, maybe watch The Witch as well (Eggers' first feature film). Both have lots to dissect. Have you seen Arrival? What did you think?

Movie should have kept inversion to objects ONLY. Once applied to people it breaks the writing as everything becomes contrived in order to make the time loops work.

Make more of these! Have you ever seen Robert Eggers “The Lighthouse”? It came out last year I think and it’s like a psychological thriller. Super strange movie. I bet you’d find it interesting.

your voice sounds similar to design theory guy

I loved most of the action set pieces, the music and the general concept of travelling back in time in real time and existing at the same time as your forward self. But I've reached a point where I think I actually understand most of it, and recognize that there are so many things that don't make as much sense as I wish it did.

@JesseTate

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah . . . . this was a pretty harsh review all things considered, because at the end of the day there WAS some very quality cinematography, very quality music, very neat concepts. I guess (personally) I'm finding myself much more critical these days of bad story, shallow characters, and inconsistency. If you are going to go for a neat concept, I can definitely forgive some flaws. . . . but if you are going to go for a neat concept AND no characters? It gets tough for me to enjoy. To be honest I only watched it the one time so you probably understand more than I do about it. Good to hear I came to the same conclusion as you

I don't like time travel in tenet because they could've just digged the algorithm out after the explosion. They had all the time of the world, knowing the location in the future doesn't mean crap if you have like 200 years to put it in a different place.

tenet is unbelievably bad

They can't breathe without their own oxigen when they go reverse but when plot need them to be fit in past, they don't need oxigen. This ruined me whole movie

Causal loops and fated entropy states are easy enough abstracts to wrap your head around. This video doesn’t need to exist. Tenet exists as a portrayal of paradox in a widely-consumable media form. The whole point is the decisions made by the protagonist are always made, the movie ends and its only half-way done. The action exists as a vector to portray and enhance narrative shifts and progressions in subliteral viewer understandings. This is not a equitable film; you will not find accurate numeric analysis; that’s literally the point; decisions and abstract experience ultimately guide the end-state, not some solveable paradox. Any person can come through and say; “umm actually the fuggin math doesn’t add up and determinism is boring” Breaking news; fictional narrative exploring the implications of causal decisions implanted in inherently quantum-fueled story-lines is found boring by man who associated it all with Dr. Manhattan. You seriously got way too stuck on worlds theories like we’re giving a shit about action taken before knowledge. Its legitimately only ONE of the priorities to understand causal functionality; theres a completely abstract and secondary parallel directive encompassing strength in character in the face of overbearing impossibilities.

Bro you seem to go too far in your videos and build an argument on false assumption if you did a bit a research you will that the time travel in TENET is one timeline exactly the way it was addressed in Avengers end game, so going back in time and killing your grandfather is just a new reality and would not affect your “future” self as you say

@bigdopamine9343

3 жыл бұрын

That’s not what the movie says. He addressed that.

This movie makes me so mad.

I really disliked Tenet. It began with the initial exposition of the reverse time concept. The protagonist was like "yeah, cool". No discussion of why or how. It was just accepted. Compare that to Dr. Strange, where Strange was asked to believe something supernatural and he pushed back against it. Add to that the lack of charisma among the characters, the volume of the music, etc, and I found it to be an incredibly poorly made film.