why i hate living in italy

#lifeinitaly #livinginitaly #internationalcouple
this week we bring to you a rather unreserved list of things we hate about living in Italy. we really held ourselves on a long leash here, we feel that we were speaking from the heart on some of the real issues we see in Rome.
ALSO we forgot to mention for anyone who might kindly suggest for us to simply leave rome (lol): daisy is in the final semester of her four year degree program here and we haven't always felt this way about rome but these are some opinions we've formed after living here for years! we feel that italy is a wonderful place to vacation, it's simply worth considering what your priorities are in terms of atmosphere if you're considering living here longterm. & obviously not everyone will have the same experience as we have had.
so curious to hear anyone’s thoughts in the comments below!
00:00 intro
01:15 public transport
03:11 italians are rude
06:27 food in italy
07:04 trash is everywhere
07:18 tourists are everywhere
07:50 italy is racist
09:51 misogyny in italy
11:12 cost of living
see you all next week and in the meantime:
siamogays
daisy & ??

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  • @francescolupi4691
    @francescolupi46918 ай бұрын

    Notice how people in bureaucratic positions in Italy act like they are doing you a favour and look genuinely bothered by your presence?

  • @user-eu2eh6et9s

    @user-eu2eh6et9s

    8 ай бұрын

    Is that any different to the US??

  • @francescolupi4691

    @francescolupi4691

    8 ай бұрын

    @@user-eu2eh6et9s I don't know, but, in the other countries I had the chance to live, receptionists, help desks and government employees were way more eager to help and do their job in an efficient and compassionate fashion

  • @TheIronweed-vx5lg

    @TheIronweed-vx5lg

    8 ай бұрын

    Cioe? (some Yankee)

  • @borysronkowski1698
    @borysronkowski16988 ай бұрын

    I started watching, thinking it'll be yet another American girl my age complaining about her soft and comfortable life. But no. _Ya'll_ made some solid points. You took the your topic seriously, recognised nuance and made an effort even for those whom might disagree. As someone of the same generation, I appreciate that.

  • @QEsposito510

    @QEsposito510

    8 ай бұрын

    I thought the same thing when I started watching, and that idea turned out to be true.

  • @sarahlang3438
    @sarahlang34388 ай бұрын

    Not mention the bureaucracy! As a foreigner, it’s sometimes so hard to navigate all the ups and downs of the dolce vita😓 Thanks for sharing!

  • @Auliv
    @Auliv8 ай бұрын

  • @franz9573

    @franz9573

    4 ай бұрын

    if the foreign cuisine is good it is also accepted in italy, japanese cuisine is very popular in italy, the rest has a really hard life, they usually close again because the italians are very traditional, i am one of them. Apart from Italian, I sometimes go out for mexican food. Thats it.

  • @innerglowhealing
    @innerglowhealing8 ай бұрын

    I appreciate you taking the risk of speaking your truth! And remember, anyone's response to your truth is their personal process and it is none of your business. The things that trigger us are speaking to something unresolved within us and each time we are triggered it is an opportunity to become more conscious of who we really are. I love the possibilities that open up when we speak up. I also can appreciate that you are trying to share perspective for others who may be interested in living abroad. Any way about it I enjoyed you sharing your perspective and as an American you have been raised with the freedom to do so (at least without imprisonment). Even if not one other person agrees with you, your experience is valid and should be heard if you choose to share.

  • @22kelseydillabaugh
    @22kelseydillabaugh15 күн бұрын

    Good to know! I’m moving to Milano next Wednesday so these things are good to think about beforehand. I mean my girlfriend lives in Italy already as an immigrant from a poor country and experiences racism and misogyny but I find it very helpful to hear from more people as well the things she’s said. I hope to find the best experiences of my life in this next chapter so I hope my exposure to this reality of Italy is not as prevalent as the problems I’m leaving behind in America. I know every place has it’s flaws, I just am like you said if I’m going to struggle, I would like to struggle where I can enjoy life more. Hopefully I find Italy to be more of an enjoyable place to live in comparison to America where I fear gun violence, the police, car accidents, bankruptcy, endless poverty, watching my life pass me working, working my body physically until I need medical attention, etc. I mean I’m privileged because I’m white and cis but being a gay woman in America is becoming more and more scary on top of the adversity every American already faces. Though I haven’t faced outward homophobia in some years, as laws change every year stripping us of protections in healthcare, education, and general legal protections I fear it empowers homophobic people to hate louder. I know that not everyone will understand why America for a gay white woman is scary or a threat to my success/fulfillment, but I hope if you do read this you can understand my moving to Italy is me trying to make a better life for myself. Anyways, that was truly long winded. Peace to you all ✨

  • @cathleensaage9043
    @cathleensaage90439 ай бұрын

    i love the guest appearance (hi kim!!!!)

  • @zoilasfishcity
    @zoilasfishcity9 ай бұрын

    Speak your truth! 💖

  • @chadwickLB
    @chadwickLB8 ай бұрын

    Oh the d-ROME-a! Mama mia! 😉 Speaking truth around toughts, feelings, and opinion(s), this we are all entitled to of course, and none of it deters me from taking public transport to get there one day someday... As a fun tourist! Come on Italy, spread more amore like its jam on a cornetto! ❤🇮🇹 Looking forward to the next post!

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    this is the kind of positivity needed for mankind to persevere !!

  • @abigailmilovancevic926
    @abigailmilovancevic9268 ай бұрын

    Thank you for being real. You can live somewhere, and make life work, but there is nothing wrong with discussing your experiences

  • @beaturner
    @beaturner8 ай бұрын

    Loved your bluntness! I would have liked to hear more on the misogyny though. I've read a lot of comments about that, but I was hoping you could have given some examples to have a better idea. Regarding the trash I completely agree, but I think that one is more specific to Rome. On another note, I love the quality and editing of your vids! what kind of microphone do you use? Keep up the good work 🥰

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Regarding the misogyny, I feel like enough could be said to make an entire video about it but I am not ready for the heat 🥵 And yes, it’s a real shame with the trash because the city certainly has the resources to do better. We use a DJI wireless mic set so ?? and I can talk at the same time. 😊

  • @user-nb2em9wz2v

    @user-nb2em9wz2v

    4 ай бұрын

    @@siamogay I feel Italians are more arrogant than Greeks. Greeks are very sociable, personally I easily respond to a tourist, especially if he wants to hang out with, I am ok with that.

  • @GiulioTappino

    @GiulioTappino

    4 ай бұрын

    @@user-nb2em9wz2vsame here in Italy, it just depends who you meet. Plenty of famous youtubers that travelled through Italy say how welcoming we are, and same as you I would be very happy to hang out with tourists and I'm always happy to help them!

  • @DE-in3rn
    @DE-in3rn6 ай бұрын

    EVERYTHING is spot on.

  • @Freakybananayo
    @Freakybananayo8 ай бұрын

    I lived in Puglia which is pretty far from Rome and all the same problems are there too apart from maybe rent. I liked living there and I love returning for holidays but it’s hard to integrate with Italians if you’re not Italian… it’s just the way their culture is. By the way, how come you are still living in Rome if there’s all these negatives?

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    Puglia is even more beautiful than Rome, that must have been so nice. We agree completely that it is hard to integrate when you're not an Italian. In some ways it might be for the best... some seem to believe that this difficulty is one feature that keeps Italian culture thriving. We aren't sure how to feel about it exactly. We live in Rome because there are many things we do enjoy about living here (this video was focused on the negatives), and because Daisy is finishing her degree program here and ?? has a nice job. 😌

  • @franz9573
    @franz95734 ай бұрын

    Racism also exists in Italy, but it is different than in the USA, it is more of a cultural racism than one based on race. This is particularly the case of southern Italy. Another difference is between rural and urban areas, in the USA racism is stronger in rural areas, in Italy it is the opposite (southern Italy). In the small villages in Italy nobody cares whether someone is black, white, green or yellow, the important thing is to respect the traditions of the respective villages and to help shape them, then you are part of the family. Then you have to distinguish between northern and southern Italy. Even if the southern Italians are actually more conservative, they are more pragmatic towards foreigners than in the north. South of Rome, however, you will hardly find any restaurants that are not Italian. Tradition is a big thing in Italy, especially in the south.

  • @paulodacosta944

    @paulodacosta944

    3 ай бұрын

    La lega nord insegna....al nord Italia non sono così civilizzati come dici tu

  • @elsapennetti7773
    @elsapennetti777314 күн бұрын

    the public transport sucks in south and center italy, not everywhere...in Rome, yes, it sucks. total nightmare

  • @lauterunvollkommenheit4344
    @lauterunvollkommenheit43446 ай бұрын

    I think the ancient Roman legal maxim is still very useful: audiatur et altera pars.

  • @emanuele.gualandri
    @emanuele.gualandri8 ай бұрын

    I am italian, the algorithm recommended this video to me. I haven't watched it yet but straight up I am gonna say it, this video will blow up ahahahahah and you will receive many angry italian comments ps. if you live in Rome my God I completely understand the struggle ahahahah nothing works in that freaking city. It's literally the most beautiful woman you have ever met but it's just a walking red flag

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    yes we did not see this coming 😅 ... thank you for being nice and understanding the struggle 🙏 (consider yourself exempt from the rude italians mentioned in this video lmao)

  • @costa97vm
    @costa97vm8 ай бұрын

    A couple of this ones apply mostly to rome, but many others are true as well. lot of reason why there is so many italians living abroad

  • @cathleensaage9043
    @cathleensaage90439 ай бұрын

    what do you think about germany???

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    9 ай бұрын

    i can also make a video about why i sometimes hated living in Germany 😍😍

  • @alexander.pocock
    @alexander.pocock7 ай бұрын

    I understand and sympathise completely - I do really understand - London is better than Milan, Rome, etc.

  • @alexander.pocock

    @alexander.pocock

    7 ай бұрын

    Londoners are more polite - bureaucratically, the UK functions far better

  • @paulodacosta944

    @paulodacosta944

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@alexander.pocock😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @zoilasfishcity
    @zoilasfishcity9 ай бұрын

    Aunt Kimma cameo 😍

  • @Brazzoification
    @BrazzoificationАй бұрын

    i think the probls you’re pointing out are real but much more specific to rome and don’t represent the rest of italy

  • @GiulioTappino
    @GiulioTappino4 ай бұрын

    Hoping my comment will age well, you can see from the comments that Italians are not rude and actually agree with you on many of your points :) I would like to say a few things in our defence: sometimes you may think someone is being rude while it's just a matter of language barrier. Italy is not just Rome, each city and region is going to be different, so maybe this video should be about Romans you've met ahah! Rude Italians are as rude with other Italians as well, it's not because of racism. Yes, some Italians are racist but most are not: consider how many are not, how many left Italy, how many resources and people we employ to literally save the lives of a continuous stream of migrants coming our way (more than any other country probably), and this is also why some Italians are racist, they are mostly angry and ignorant. While America built a wall, I wouldn't say America as a society is racist, and by the way I believe there are countries in Europe that are far more racist than Italy. Also, during the 90's and early 2000's we had people coming from the balkans and most of them are living and working in Italy. Today we have lots of problems ourselves with the quality of life and job situation, and that's obviously going to be the same for migrants coming here, so it's pretty much impossible to help them more than we are already doing. Regarding food, Rome is full of other types of cuisines so I'm not sure why you felt like that, but certainly is not as full as other countries (which is both good and bad), and outside of the main cities it's sooo much worse! I struggle so much with that, in my region it's impossible to find Indian and Vietnamese food, which is totally normal in other countries. Regarding misogyny, our current president is a woman and I wouldn't say we are more misogynistic than others, but I can definitely see that at times, in the end I think it also depends, and our MAMMA's are our whole world! :D Cost of living and low salaries, that's true everywhere in Italy. Public transportation? We hate it! In conclusion, I'm sorry for your experience and I hope you will also visit the rest of Italy! I always say, if you know a couple of Italian words and come here for vacation, amazing! Living here is a totally different story and I can definitely see myself living elsewhere. Regarding your video, thank you and I appreciate your respect and everyone should be free to talk politely and objectively of their own experiences! Edit: it didn't age well, I'm reading some ignorant Italian comments. Sad.

  • @danielaalba5064
    @danielaalba50649 ай бұрын

    It’s the outfit for me…

  • @ava_lavidaloca3408
    @ava_lavidaloca34086 ай бұрын

    🙏 I couldn’t agree more ! I have been living in Italy for 2 years (for work) and I haven t experienced so much discrimination in my entire life. One of the worst countries of the world on this point .

  • @paulodacosta944

    @paulodacosta944

    3 ай бұрын

    Stati uniti d'America fa molto di peggio ...

  • @Nadaaaa92
    @Nadaaaa928 ай бұрын

    There has to be one of these for Germany or Germany vs Italy 👌

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    so we can get cancelled by the Germans too? 😩 (jk coming soon we got u)

  • @Nadaaaa92

    @Nadaaaa92

    8 ай бұрын

    @@siamogay worst thing that could happen they would tell you to leave which you already did lol Yoooolooo

  • @user-nb2em9wz2v

    @user-nb2em9wz2v

    4 ай бұрын

    @@siamogay Greece, France, Uk, USA are Allies. Just take a look at WW2.

  • @tropicalermine
    @tropicalermine8 ай бұрын

    You and ?? make a great duo

  • @Darv-jy1fu
    @Darv-jy1fu8 ай бұрын

    Great that you spoke the truth.

  • @danielaalba5064
    @danielaalba50649 ай бұрын

    😮😮😮

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    9 ай бұрын

    i hope this face doesn’t mean ur mortified 😳 i had to call em like i see them 😔

  • @KicoWolf
    @KicoWolf8 ай бұрын

    Pretty bold to live in one of Italy's most touristic, cosmopolitan cities as an American expat and complain about tourists and cost of living. Italians aren't rude, they just have a different conception of what rudeness is. People don't feel forced to be overly nice and bubbly all the time, to me that feels icky and fake. Rolling your eyes at someone is just not considered as rude. Food isn't bad, complaining about lack of diversity is missing the point - the food scene is less about breadth (eating cuisines from around the world, an extremely recent luxury and requirement) but rather depth (appreciating how different restaurants or recipes engender subtly different flavors). Sadly, racism and misogyny are real problems. I'm not so sure that racism is so hidden in the US though, depends on where you are - in more rural areas things get really weird, and are not so hidden. And yes, trash is terrible in Rome. I will say, it would have been nice to hear more about root causes: - cost of living is propelled by bad economic management and excess tourism - trash issues are caused by crime - public transit problems are caused by incompetence, bureaucracy, and corruption

  • @Nadaaaa92

    @Nadaaaa92

    8 ай бұрын

    I mostly agree except the point on the food scene. Diversity in cuisines in metropolitan areas is not always about luxury but also about migration. As an example, Mexican cuisine in the US or Indian food in England. Maybe in Italy that hasn’t gained momentum because of the competition or the local population isn’t open to it? I don’t know but it is a fair point

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your comment, I also mostly agree. I would first note that my partner, ??, isn't American but an economic migrant who has lived and worked in Italy for almost a decade. In terms of the cost of living, I think the issue with excess tourism and digital nomad expats is true, especially in terms of gentrification of certain areas of the city that were once inhabited primarily by working-class Italians that are now almost exclusively populated by tourists staying in converted BnBs that have rendered these areas unaffordable. I think that our concern with the cost of living remains valid: my partner makes an Italian salary and can barely afford the rent nonetheless, regardless of the very critical reasons why. I would also add that trash issues are caused by crimes condoned by the state. It is indeed frustrating to consider that this is a fixable issue -- the same can be said for public transport. There is no question as to whether or not Rome specifically profits enough from tourism (considering the exploitation of historical landmarks to the point of rapid degradation) to target these problems. I think I would have elaborated a bit more on the specifics of my complaints had I'd known that this video would be viewed by so many.

  • @franz9573

    @franz9573

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Nadaaaa92 Italy also has very few Mac Donalds or Burger Kings and if so then only in tourist areas where mainly tourists go to eat. There is only 1 Starbucks in Italy (Milan) why should we drink such an overpriced coffee when we have more than 100 different types of coffee in Italy? Italians make no compromises when it comes to fashion and food and that is unlikely to change, that is our lifestyle. Germans also drink 99% German beer, why should they drink other beers from other countries when there is very good German beer? The girl in the video expect that people become more open but she is also in a bubble, buying food that doesn't allow for compromise. Where is the difference? In italy is important "fare bella figura" and "l'aspetto del cibo influenza il fatto che ci piaccia o che abbiamo voglia di mangiarlo". We have one of the highest life expectancy in the world and our lifestyle and our food is one of the reasons for that, why should we change? Maybe others should eat differently and put family and friends first and not focus on the individual.

  • @user-nb2em9wz2v

    @user-nb2em9wz2v

    4 ай бұрын

    @@siamogay Italians were forced to change their names and Italianize it during Mousolini times. So some of them you won't know where they come from.

  • @naymyomaung6440
    @naymyomaung64408 ай бұрын

    “But people post things like this about the US all the time” the whole personality of Americans. Italians are different to Americans; everyone’s different to Americans and for the better.

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    Strongly agree. 👍

  • @leonardovaccaro2038
    @leonardovaccaro20388 ай бұрын

    0:05 Bruh..

  • @sbjncn
    @sbjncn8 ай бұрын

    then move out , why make a whole video?

  • @Nadaaaa92

    @Nadaaaa92

    8 ай бұрын

    Why not express one‘s opinion about things? Might help others gain insight

  • @cookiemonster2630

    @cookiemonster2630

    8 ай бұрын

    So that anyone who is considering moving to Italy/Rome knows what it's like..

  • @GiulioTappino

    @GiulioTappino

    4 ай бұрын

    Are you Italian? In that case I don't want to be associated with you.

  • @millllbs
    @millllbs8 ай бұрын

    Algorithm brought me here hahah

  • @siamogay

    @siamogay

    8 ай бұрын

    I think the algorithm wanted you to subscribe 🤗😂

  • @zoilasfishcity
    @zoilasfishcity8 ай бұрын

    De de de de

  • @lucavuola3538
    @lucavuola35388 ай бұрын

    There is no misoginy and racism in Rome.....rudeness? You are living in a big city and people is generally stressed, what do you expect?

  • @Supika893
    @Supika8938 ай бұрын

    JUST LEAVE THEN. Go to Lampedusa and take your thousands of immigrant to your home..."racist", just leave.

  • @gggmmmxspace
    @gggmmmxspace4 ай бұрын

    So, The Italy is Worst Place in the World… for you… That’s a Superficial opinion… È irrispettoso parlare di Italia e Italiani in questo modo. Non hai sufficiente esperienza per definire il popolo Italiano. Lo stai descrivendo con pregiudizio e stereotipi… premettendo: “No, ma non vorrei che vi offendiate! È la mia opinione…” e poi… sei tu che diventi rude… Eterno o non eterno che tu sia…. Non concordo… su tutta la linea… e intendo anche sugli altri argomenti… Gli Stati Uniti, sono casa tua… ci sono dei posti con dei bei paesaggi… no? Ci sono anche altri Paesi Europei… escludi l’Italia che non ti piace, e divertiti…

  • @jumpzj
    @jumpzj4 ай бұрын

    The racism you speak of is mostly anger from Italians toward their government for not taking control of illegal migration from n. africa... i'd say the Italians have a good reason to be pissed and that is regardless of what skin color the illegal migranst are.

  • @jackhakken
    @jackhakken8 ай бұрын

    Go back.

  • @ravikiran4495

    @ravikiran4495

    2 ай бұрын

    Nah Imma go front

  • @mewes7
    @mewes78 ай бұрын

    public transport sucks? stop lying.

  • @Auliv

    @Auliv

    8 ай бұрын

    Have you ever lived in Rome? I mezzi fanno cagare.

  • @chadwickLB

    @chadwickLB

    8 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @Lokichangchang1
    @Lokichangchang13 ай бұрын

    Why do u talk like ur on anesthesia and dress like my grandma 😂

  • @janeyre82
    @janeyre824 ай бұрын

    Qualcuno aveva voglia di qualche like... Non mi vergogno assolutamente di dire che questo video è pieno di cagate formidabili. E me ne strasbatto completamente di chi verrà a dirmi che sono solo il classico italiano risentito. Io in un posto che non mi piace NON CI VIVO, meno che mai se non è nemmeno il posto in cui sono nato. It's just as simple as that.

  • @GiulioTappino

    @GiulioTappino

    4 ай бұрын

    Lei ha elencato molto educatamente le cose che non apprezza dell'Italia e quella che è la sua esperienza, non che non ci siano invece tantissime altre cose che ami dell'Italia. E' totalmente normale e corretto che parli delle proprie esperienze. Se i punti che elenca non rispecchiano in gran parte la nostra Italia, vivi in un'Italia immaginaria! E soprattutto questo è il suo punto di vista, di lei che viene da fuori, ovvio che certe cose le vivi diversamente da lei essendo italiano, ma per una persona che non parla italiano magari è tutto diverso!

  • @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505
    @tic-tacdrin-drinn15058 ай бұрын

    You smile the whole time you speak. Do you think it’s “rude” to talk without smiling?