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A walk through video would be awesome. I have an analog console and have been trying to figure out how I want to approach it. It would be a big help!!

I own an SSL 4048 E/G/G+ and it’s not nearly as expensive to run and maintain it as you’d think, especially if you get a newer power supply and a Tangerine. In my opinion, it sounds quite a bit better than the Origin, but I’m glad to see more people coming around to how superb consoles sound. It puts those goofy emulations to shame.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

So awesome! I wish I had one. Hard to find a tech etc where I live.

@DanyLeeRoth

10 ай бұрын

Thrue, i own a SSL 4040G fom 1991 with a new silent switching PSU mounted under the console and all VU lamp are replace by LED the power consumption are 100 % lower than the heavy original PSU and i turn of the console after work.

@mirkomarkovic3438

7 ай бұрын

Every analog emulation is goofy to me but you know how it is...

Amen Brother!!! I have Origin Serial Number 139.... Been living with it since 2020 and YES... You really can't tell what you have been missing till your sitting in front of one of these Consoles...We can talk about it but the DIMENSIONALITY just cant be explained till you hear it! Happy to Hear you are LOVING it! I am too... One thing I have learned... Is that If you have a UC-1 the plug in versions of the Console EQ and compression are VERY close to the Origin Sound... Yes The Console is better, But if you have the UC-1 and the plug in on your DAW track...The settings are EXACTLY the same as the Console EQ's would be... This makes a VERY quick way to recall the Console EQ's to your original Mix settings at a later time... You just disable the plug in from the audio in the DAW but the EQ settings you made remain there and can be quickly transferred back to the CONSILE... But ya know... A lot of the time just recalling the plug in in the DAW sounds pretty darn close... Cheers!

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

I’m 54 so grew in all analog and line through the transformation from analog mediums to digital and hybrid workflows…I know exactly what you are speaking to in reference to analog consoles adding a certain “musical” depth, separation & width; those attributes are even further exaggerated when you print to analog tape

My 90s vintage Allen & Heath GS3000 is getting delivered on Monday, to say I'm excited doesn't even come close. I still love the music I grew up listening to, it was recorded analogue. My first trip to the studio, was also analogue. At university, we had a 16 channel desk with two ADAT tape machines, which wasn't quite analogue but it wasn't far off. I want that experience again, and now it's achievable since 90s gear is still quite inexpensive. I'm going to still be using my computer as a tape machine, I'm not crazy, but the workflow will still be mostly analogue.

On an Amek console since I've started engineering 13 years ago here in London. I don't think I can be without one. Tracking through it every day and loving it.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Nice, which amek?

Joel, your enthusiasm is infectious! Please keep the vids coming.

That would be the mixing special, NTM course, that I would be interested in paying for. See how you go through a mix from start to finish, with the mixing console and how your recall process works out in practice... Is that something you would consider? Great idea, very inspiring. 🙏

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely. I’m gonna do some mixing on this channel with it eventually.

@dirti3_casa

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I'd love to see the difference in the workflows and the process, live mixing.

Mixlab walk through or it didn't happen.

@andygreen5565

Жыл бұрын

This

Of the many rigs I've had over the years, one of the most sonically memorable for me was mixing through an old 16 channel A&H Mix Wizard. Nowhere near top shelf gear but there was just a vibe and simplicity to it that worked no matter what I mixed on it. I don't currently have room for a desk but wish I did.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Very cool!

Congrats! I bought my 4K 5 years ago and never looked back. I love this desk

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

AMAZING! I've always wanted one. Finding one used in good working order and having someone who can keep it running is hard.

Hell yes brother. Great vid. I love feeling your excitement for this. I couldn't agree more with your points and great ideas for work around options too! Where theres a will there a way right!

I have to say. This is a well thought out video. I totalled feel what you mean

Thank you! You just concisely described exactly what I have heard and felt I have been missing.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Great video! Very inspiring! I had learned audio engineering on a "real mixing console" back in the days. But never had the chance to get one on my own. I worked for years in making commercials and just as you said: "in the box" (I guess you talk about a computer, if I got you right?) Few weeks ago I bought a SSL UC1, and that changed my workflow massively. I don`t use many plugins anymore. I do all eq and compression now on the "hardware" so to say ;-) I can just imagine how you must feel when you come in the room and start to mix. Must be awesome. I wish you all the best for your mixing!! Thx for sharing your insights!

We just got one of these installed at my school and love it!

Hell yeah Joel! 🤘I was thinking about using the boards processing as a hardware insert instead of just letting it be the last stop of the chain from pro tools out the board and I’m glad to hear you mention that 🙏

Nice insights Joel... as usual... btw, guessing those resonances in the low mids I hear on your voice are reflections from the console hahaha... I wish I had one of these marvelous consoles to play with. Keep up the good work man!

Dude congrats on the console. Life goals! I'd love to hear what this thing can do!

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

My first mix from this drops friday. Versus Me "Blackout"

@jasonsneed3731

Жыл бұрын

@@joelwanasekurm Hell yeah!

I would love to own the Origin 32 but know I'd have to spend a lot more money on AD/DA into the "box". and then patchbays with the cables, ain't cheap. Oh and then external compressors. Unless you use comps in the box only, I feel like if you are in it to make money it's certainly an impressive thing to see as a client. But damn. I cant see the sound being worth it. I think using the SSL9000 plugin and a few UF8s and a UC1 is the way to go

Very cool to see and great to hear about how your doing mix recall !

I went to a Soundcraft 24channel British made, then to an A&H 32 channel, and can't wait to get at SSL Origin. Out of my price range, but on the horizon. You are spot on, the analog gear instantly sounds better.

Joel, back when you were considering buying the API box, I remember you said the API sounded way better than the other consoles you tired. What made you decide the SSL was the better choice? Was an SSL console just out of your price range at the time until you really started considering the Origin?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I wrote off the origin (thanks gearspace). I wanted more channels and eq in front. I love how the origin sounds. It’s a bit wider tighter and punchier than api. That api does sound insane though!

i got an old Midas old 32 but i work it in my Daw wow i love it.

Fascinating discussion Joel. Thank you!

Right on the money!!! I have a Mackie32x4 board with a NI Audio 2 interface but it was lifeless. A simple thing I did was switch to an SSL 2+, a very simple thing and when I powered it up for the first time my daughter sitting off angle on the floor immediately heard on the dialog the amazing clarity it provided. Over time I was able to delve deeper in my mix and really zero in on problems. Now this is just an interface I can only imagine what this console can do. Am saving my money for this console and deleting the car!!!!

Hi, I agree 100% i miss my analogue gear so much!. One question: when you say "print the stems" do you mean "bounce"?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

It means I print each channel through the direct out.

Hi Joel. Can you do two mixes, without matching the parameters, and do a blind test? To see whether u can figure out which is which, and which is better? You have to do each mix in a different day, and then listen to the comparisons in a different studio. I believe this is the most objective test you can make. Iv actually done this my self, and got interesting results. I had my assistant test me. I hope to see your results as well. Congrats on the purchase Nontheless.

Very cool. I bought an X-Desk a a couple years ago before they were discontinued. It’s the baby brother of the XL-Desk. No eq’s or preamps but you can add your own. I don’t think it’s based off the 4000 I think it based on the 9000 but nonetheless I think it sounds amazing. I know what you mean it ups the game from an in the box mix.

I’m not a professional mix/recording engineer by any stretch, but my rig consists of Neve 8424 and 16 channels of 1073 OPX. After 20 years of fiddle fkn around in the box, I have died and gone to heaven. Everyone that listens to the rough mixes from their live recording, are left speechless. A best buddy keyboard/sax player commented that it’s such an “analog” sound. No automation, the board has total recall. Mixer, OPXs, ATC 25 monitors and cables set me back 45k. I considered the ORIGIN, but decided on the NEVE. Congrats on leap into a analog board, I enjoyed your video, cheers

@joelwanasekurm

7 ай бұрын

Awesome! I almost bought a 8424. It’s an amazing board and sounds great!

Congrats, welcome to the club.

Seriously we need a mixlab walk through!!!!

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Maybe I'll do something on this channel.

@riptideL

Жыл бұрын

@@joelwanasekurm comparing one of your ITB mixes with your new console would be amazing (same song) . Please consider.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your workflow. Right now i have a BOX2 and an SSL X Desk, and 16 premium channel EQs. I could do the same system you're doing with the direct outs on the X Desk and 1-8 on the BOX and use the summing side of the BOX the way you're using the small faders. The only problem is it's only 16 channels. IDK, I really love the freedom of being able to choose my own equalizers. I have a mix of all three APIs, a bunch of BAE 73's and a pair of Helios. and I do love API 20:21 sound. i'm not sure if I need more than what I have right now at all, but it would be a tough decision for me between an Origin or a 24 or 32 channel API. I haven't done that much work on 4000 consoles. It's interesting that you were satisfied going to that from the API. Thanks again for sharing

If you print all you’re channels and then use the console to recall and print a mix. I wonder if you’re on a budget and run all you’re channels through an outboard ssl channel strip. And then mix all of them channels down in a cheaper ( like soundcraft ) mixer. Would that make a huge difference?

I don't have a console, but I did buy a Great River MP-2NV years ago to track a sampler's outputs into my DAW and it seemed like I instantly stopped fighting with mixes. It's like saturation does something to dynamics (I guess) which you only notice when you try to put one sound on top of another. If I don't send something out into the Great River, it seems like I'll get frequency masking and I'm stuck trying to make tiny cuts and boosts or throwing multiband compressors on everything. It's like I can't get the sounds to separate properly. They're smeared or something. That's the only way I can describe it. Trying to fix it is a lot of work and it never actually fixes the problem entirely. Maybe somebody who is really skilled can get a similar result with plugin saturation, I have no idea, but I've never been able to recreate with plugins what the Great River does. I've seen beat makers debate this and some people claim that throwing a good preamp in the chain is a waste of time and money, which to me is absurd. The only thing I can think is that those are people who are newer to this and haven't developed their ear and don't know what they're talking about.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Digital saturation is not the same as analog. Take it from someone who owns a plugin company. You are correct!

You can add automation to this console by using the SSL Sigma or the Wes Audio NG Leveler.

@ramorales90

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain this in more detail?? 👀

@FrancisJoa

Жыл бұрын

@@ramorales90 Google them and you can get the information you need there.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking of getting a ng leveler. Looks awesome. Used to have a sigma.

Hahaha thats exactly how it happened to me!! Every single thing analog added im like... Yep thats it...much better Its great. Never got to a console point but im still happy with my dangerous 2bus for summing lol! Congrats on the sick ass console!!!

Joel Wanasek How do you feel about mixing without the dynamics of a 4000E series? These console manufacturers always cheap out, why not go all the way? Am I missing something is there channel dynamics not listed in their description?

Thanks for that Video! Thats what i needed to hear!

Hi Thank you for this video! May I ask what audio interface you are using with this console! Thanks you!

I remember when Joel was the fastest sweep picker alive! Where all the videos went?

Cool. Glad to hear how much you are enjoying it. I also bought a dumb console this year, but in my case I went with a vintage Sony/MCI MXP-3036 that I picked up for cheap and am currently refurbishing. This is a quiet console and power supply for it's age. I've been wondering if I'm really going to move this beast into my studio, but your thoughts are another pro for going for it. When it's all said and done, this console will have cost around $6-7K CAD and it's supposedly one of the most amazing sounding boards ever made (similar to an SSL sound, which makes me happy). I'll be using it for tracking and mixing. I'm documenting the process on my KZread channel.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations and enjoy!

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your video on this subject !!! You went back to old school like Al Schmitt and Bruce Swedien , etc . Doing it the way most of the greatest songs EVER recorded were done . So what ride the faders a little and if you have to you print it . That Origin is a dream board , and yes I don't want to even think about all those ridiculous unnecessary plugins i hear people waste time with

@joelwanasekurm

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Well said, thanks

thanks for the video! i have been mixing hybrid (with a summing box) for years), would be awesome if you can make a walk through video of your workflow with the console. keep going brotha!

I've been producing since approx 1990. Never been without a mixing console. Makes creating music so much simpler and more pleasurable and sonics matter.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Very cool! A console is a must.

That was inspiring. Thank you.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Automation is really just a bandaid fix they came up with to help the lack of channels. Now that we have basically infinite tracks in the DAW, we can just put sections on different tracks, set gain and run them to the same output in to the same channel on the console ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

True!

@donniecatalano

Жыл бұрын

I've been doing that for years, but simply out of pure laziness 🤣

@MikaelNitscheDrums

Жыл бұрын

@@donniecatalano I feel you! Editing automation is such a hassle

@OGSiX33

Жыл бұрын

lol "Automation is really just a bandaid fix they came up with to help the lack of channels" - that's the silliest thing I've heard today

Joel, youre killing my G.A.S. ma dude! 🤣Ive been eye humping this console since it came out, must be a total blast!

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Sorry! Get one! lol

@Stargazerz

Жыл бұрын

@@joelwanasekurm only 55 grand lol

Hey Joel, I'm curious, do you print a pre automation version of your mix that you keep on an alternate playlist in case the client doesn't like the automation you did?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I've never had to actually do that. I only send clients completed mixes and I always mix remote. Most of my automating is done ITB going into the console. I am considering getting a NG Leveler for post comp automation on a few channels (mostly fx returns). But one work flow is you could always mix your song, get your returns figured out, print those. Then automate itb and send to a pair of large faders on the mix.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! Literally SAME. I was watching a behind the scenes on Thriller, and the first clap is when I finally heard that analog depth and juice. That's so wild hahahahaha

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Right?!

I dream of having a console. I have some analog and plugins and I often reach for the gear.

Fascinating read on this console. Joel. I messed around with one @ Namm in '22, they sound great. I suppose the only routing approach I'm not sure I grasp is TLA's explanation: (loosely quoted) "I just set the faders to unity gain/turn off the EQ's if I'm doing a recall' ... if that's the case then I'd surmise he's using his Origin as a massive summing unit + a few pieces of OB for inserts/sends + returns. Using the LF's as channel inserts and then SM's for the summing, post-line out from DAW, seems to make the most sense and similar to your approach. Are you shutting off the Stereo Bus Comp when printing any of those stems ?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

He mixes the song w eq and inserts etc. prints stems. Keeps the same routing and hits it at 0db back in w everything bypassed so it then behaves as a summing mixer. Any level automation is done in the daw on the stems.

I been considering this workflow for a long time. One of the things I don’t know how to solve is aux sends/returns and buses. How do you handle that? External reverb for example. Or parallel compression. Does the origin have direct outs for those?

Dude you are so right about the sound or whatever it is that a console does. It just sounds better. like harmonically balanced

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. There is a certain thing a console does that makes you go "wow."

Ypu said it yourself... you are happy... nothing more important 👍

I’ve been trying to figure out this issue of recalls for years. I’m going to try this workflow. I expect some issue to arise (like with shared effects, or with delay compensation of something… there’s always something)

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

You can always print your fx at the beginning of a mix on direct outs and then balance them itb and bring them back on a pair on the desk.

@stevedoesnt

Жыл бұрын

Update: I spent the good majority of the day with this, and the unforeseen issue was console/converter alignment. My board is from the mid 80s, and I run both motu and apogee converters. The motu is adjustable, the apogee isn’t. The motu is now nicely set at 1:1 recall-ability, and the apogee just needs a 2.15 db bump in post. Other than that, I’m super excited to work this way long term! I never really thought recalls like this would be possible, thanks for the great video inspiration! Ps the delay compensation for the apogee was different than w the motu as well, which only really made phase cancellation in the checking of this method difficult. Shouldn’t be a problem day to day, I think.

@stevedoesnt

11 ай бұрын

I cannot thank you enough for this. No other single video has made such a difference to my whole life than this. Digital automation post-fader, perfect recalls. I can make a clients tweak from home. I can do more than one mix at once. Make more money. I can go home earlier, spend more time with my family. It’s not an understatement when I say that this was a game changer. Thank you. ❤

@stevedoesnt

11 ай бұрын

@@joelwanasekurm I cannot thank you enough for this. No other single video has made such a difference to my whole life than this. Digital automation post-fader, perfect recalls. I can make a clients tweak from home. I can do more than one mix at once. Make more money. I can go home earlier, spend more time with my family. It’s not an understatement when I say that this was a game changer. Thank you. ❤

Im hoping to get a Neve Genesys Black 24 input console. Ive always loved the sound of a Neve.

@mixc8

4 ай бұрын

I love both Neve & SSL. I come from the school of recording on a Neve and mixing on SSL :) Old school

Went on to a mixer myself last week (Toft Audio). That sound ❤

LOL - missed this video although I already followed the whole process on IG. Time to watch it now I guess :D

Being decent at mixing in the box and feeing like ive got real drums down, I was surprised when i got an old 1/4” reel to reel to play with, just running drums w gates through it sounded 80% done.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I want a tape machine. Sounds like a lot of fun to play with!

Thanks Ryan Reynolds...

Cheers man. Can you do a video where you put all this into practice?

An eye opening video. Tank you.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

happy to hear!

Harrison teamed up with ssl ,going to see the Harrison 32c at aes nyc

Perfect board for a hybrid studio

Right so this video in a nutshell. Buy analogue gear, get an audio interface then go hybrid. Buy lots of plugins, then go in the box, then get rid of in the box and buy a big mixing desk. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum. So people like this video basically advise people to buy buy buy buy buy. So you own a plugin company and get people to buy your plugins on the basis that plugins are as good as hardware then once you bought it all, go back to analogue until better plugins come out then go back to in the box etc. This is why I really hate audio KZread.

It's funny how things come full circle in time.

Because you have a lot of stock in your local electricity utility?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

the secret is out now, don't tell. Power consumption on this is really low actually. You put it to sleep when you aren't using it.

Is crosstalk what you mean at 5:00? Genuinely curious since I never saw anyone using the option on Softube tape but I sometimes like it.

dream desk. Im recently trying to move out of the box. thinking midas venice for start as Im low on budget atm.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Great start!

Yeah I feel you. Do you print all channels or only the bus outputs as backup?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

All of the above

“Hey I’m Joel Wanasek I’m a pro mixer and amateur Ryan Reynolds lookalike.”

Hi Joel, could one with with the Neve BCM Mkii? (Some people say they are for tracking only)

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Never tried one

Congrats on your new investment! Very Cool!

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I've been studying at URM for a few months now, I love analog for sure. What would you recommend at a very, VERY budget level to experiment with an analog console? Just for fun. Thank you!

@GTORT

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a Mackie? Or SSL has a six channel

@KevinMarquezRocks78

Жыл бұрын

@@GTORT thank you! After I posted my question, I started to think something like that maybe. I'm not there yet to do this for a living, but the idea of working with an analog console intrigues me for sure.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

SSL Big 6 gives a lot of amazing features for the price!

Very cool video I enjoyed this

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching !

For me lack of automated faders and compressors in ssl origin is no go zone.

Did you sell your API already? I’m interested in buying it.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I sold it to the kid upstairs in my building. But I 11/10 recommend that api it’s amazing!

SSL 4000 has no bottom end. 5534 IC's

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

Origin has massive low end. I was surprised.

really liked your video and appreciate you sharing this but man.. that sibilance was hurting my ears 😂

Where can we listen to your mixes?

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

open.spotify.com/playlist/70nIfkK6IMeVuRNkGNNvr4?si=af18d0c59c094806 the only 2 on there so far that I've done on this board are Versus me Blackout / Lilly Hammer Throne. Everything else hasn't be released yet.

big like from ISRAEL !!

Subbed.

Welcome to high end audio!

Would you add a ng leveler?

@joelwanasekurm

7 ай бұрын

I’m considering adding one

@zonarecordingstudio

7 ай бұрын

nice@@joelwanasekurm

We are gen X and baby blumers!!!! Analog living in a digital world!!! Some things just can’t be replaced!!!

As long as you don’t mix from audience perspective, I think you’ll be fine

Hi Joel, thank you very much for this video. I need to watch this video 20 times to get it completely, you talk so much and fast (English is not my native language ). I started mixing in 1972 on a souncraft 400B (I think it was called) and till today always liked the hands on fader and knobs. Since about 4 years I am running Hybrid with proTools / Studio One and the SSL UF8 and UC1 on a Mac mini. My mixing board for about 10 years is a Mackie 24-8 with a 24E extension. A few months ago, getting my grip on the SSL Channel strip & the SSL 4K plugins, I decided doing A/B between all digital and the same tracks via the desk / with Protools as a tape machine basically, I was really surprised. They don't sound the same although I like both mixes. The Mackie mix, being a VERY cheap alternative mixing desk, sounds warm and very open. I don't know how to describe it, but it is more forgiving and musical. Back to your recall point, I think I get how you do it. - Are you willing to make a video on this setup??? - IS your print of each channel the recall " tool" to go back to a previous mix?? My Mackie IS an inline console, has direct outs (pre and post fader) per channel, on / off on the EQ, Selectable EQ on big fader and smal fader (it's a knob, but hey..) so I could do what you are describing. I am also running 5.1.2 surround on the Mackie desk in combination with ProTools as a test at this moment, using the 8-bus & Master L & R out as surround channels. I can route each channel to any of the 8-bus channels so I can put each channel anywhere I like in the surround mix. NOT 100% automated surround, but I don't miss that much.

blesseds !!!!

I mixed for over 2 decades in my studio with zero automation on my 32 channel.console. No big deal because it's how I learned.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

That’s great and I so wish I would have come up that way and not itb.

that Yamaha pm3000 42 chn I have sitting around may mean something to somebody after all . #analogrules

Did you try any of the console emulations on the tracks? I use Slate Digital on every channel for that transformer saturation style glue.

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I've tried all of them. The Slate one is personally not something I like. It adds a mushy low mid congestion to everything and softens it up. Sounds nothing like a real board.

As a recording engineer with over 40 years experience, I find the term “dumb console“ offensive. from a purist sound perspective, I will take a vintage trident B-range console over a Neve 88R or SSL 4000 any day. in the old days, complicated fader moves during mix was a coordinated dance between three or four sets of hands on the console . Sometimes, there were happy accidents that actually enhanced the production. That can’t happen with flying faders .

You’re quote on 6 percent interest rates is completely out of the ballpark and wrong. So wrong it makes me question everything else you say in your SSL infomercial. You should really take a look at what interest rates are before you speak about them to support a purchase as this. The price is dropping on consoles and will continue to do so to the point that your purchase will keep you under water just like buying real estate at the wrong time.

Automate it in protocols

A lotta talk about the board. But we never got to see it 😢

A 24 channel analog console was the FIRST THING I BOUGHT 30 years ago. Congrats I guess 😂

@joelwanasekurm

Жыл бұрын

I wish I would have bought one much earlier.

Absolutely a no brainier unfortunately most audio engineers don't grasp how powerful analog mixers and what they are missing