Bro, Henry wanted a marriage like that of his parents, I guess he forgot that his father was faithful 🤨

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Right? He just forgot that one tiny detail. 😂 The whole 'being nice to your wife' thing, too.

@beth7935

10 ай бұрын

Exactly! It's not only that Elizabeth was a good wife to Henry VII, but that he was a good husband in return. And if he could be kind & faithful to a wife he _didn't_ choose- he had possibly the least choice of any English king; he HAD to marry the eldest York daughter & literally nobody else was acceptable- it was a pretty poor effort on Henry VIII's part that he couldn't even stay faithful when he chose all his wives himself.

@charlottepeukert9095

10 ай бұрын

​@@beth7935 Yes, but I think he ( Henry VII) had a crush on Elisabeth of York as he swore in Reims on chrismas eve in the cathedral to marry her. That was before Bothworth and a bold statement at the time.He could simply have sworn to become King of England.

@beth7935

10 ай бұрын

@@charlottepeukert9095 That would be sweet, & they certainly did end up loving each other, but 1) Henry had been in exile since 1471, when Elizabeth was 6, & 2) agreeing to marry her was a key part of his bid for the throne, & the deal Margaret of Beaufort & Elizabeth Woodville had made: he'd get more support if people knew he was uniting York & Lancaster, so his vow was him publicly agreeing to it.

@canalesworks1247

9 ай бұрын

@@beth7935 It helped that she looked ike a cross between her very handsome father, Edward IV, and her gorgeous mother Elizabeth Woodville.

Ironically, his desire to get rid of his wives and have a son led to Elizabeth, longest reigning and most successful of his children, never wanting to get married.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

It's certainly karma having a good laugh at Henry VIII's expense! I think the scars from what he had done ran deep with both of his daughters.

@jawo8754

9 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeoplewhat’s funnier is that the current royal family are related to Henry’s sisters Mary and Margaret AND, through Queen Elizabeth II’s mother, Anne Boelyn’s sister Mary.

@birdsinparadise3113

8 ай бұрын

Yes exactly. The most consequential monarch of English history imo

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

@@jawo8754 It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

He didn’t marry his brother’s wife. He married his brother’s widow. Henry 8 was quite confused over these 3 simple words…childless, wife, & widow.🤷🏼‍♀️

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Yes, he married his brother's widow, but I assume most people will understand what it indicates when referring to Catherine of Aragon as 'his brother's wife'. In the religious sense, whether or not she was Arthur's widow, she had still been his wife, and in theory (although she maintained not) could have consummated that marriage with him. The fact she was a widow was not the issue.

@cplmpcocptcl6306

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Most people realize that childless, means just that, not no boys. Also most realize that “wife” means alive, (obviously if your husband is dead, you are no longer a wife) the Bible made that clear, in the event that your brother dies you are to take his widow as your wife. Henry8 tried to twist whatever he could to get out of his marriage. The last straw he was grasping at was her virginity. This is really a nonstarter. The dispensation covered it either way. I doubt she would have risked her immortal soul. Look how many were killed because they refused to swear to something they knew to be false.

@wednesdayschild3627

10 ай бұрын

​@@HistorysForgottenPeoplemarriage ends at death. That is why the pope allowed the marriage.

@clare5one

9 ай бұрын

Catherine birthed two sons who sadly died approx. in one month. That was not her personal fault!

@siaorihara

7 ай бұрын

And literally there was a part of the Bible that says if your brother’s wife has no children, you can take her as your wife to raise children in his stead.

I am surprised at no mention of the Empress Matilda debacle that would provide historical context for Henry's unwillingness to settle on having Mary as his heir. Even if this doesn't come up in records as being on the King's mind, he knew his history, and that was a big mess. So the sad case of a failed female rule and the vision of the fledgling Tudor dynasty dying with him, probably genuinely spurred him on towards obtaining a legitimate son by any means necessary.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

As I've already done an extensive series on Empress Matilda, I didn't want to go over too much of the same ground, but that's certainly the first example of an attempt by a woman to take on the throne. Plus, although it's likely it was part of Henry VIII's historical knowledge, it's not historical fact that he based any of his decisions on what happened with Empress Matilda, and far more likely recent events had more of a bearing - even Isabella of France would be more contemporary, and was the main example that made people nervous (such as not allowing Margaret of Anjou be regent). Empress Matilda was also the legitimate heir to the throne who was usurped by her cousin Stephen, so it's again not likely that Henry would want to use that as an example considering the tangled background to his own family's hold on the throne. Not to mention someone could point to the fact she was a successful regent while she was married to the Holy Roman Emperor when he was off fighting in Germany, so there was a far bigger case for 'she would have made a better ruler', considering Stephen ruled over 19 years of civil war, and was replaced by Henry II, the legitimate heir and arguably a better king. There were also, by Henry's time, plenty of successful female rulers on the continent, not least his own (first) wife's mother, Isabella of Castile. So while Empress Matilda is the first example of a woman attempting to hold the throne on her own, it's not necessarily the first place someone would have gone to for examples by the 16th century.

A misogynist like Henry VIII got one hell of a slap when the heir who would secure and enrich England after he died was not the son he had longed for but the strong red-haired girl he once discarded. Long live Elizabeth I Gloriana!

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Elizabeth I becoming queen was definite proof of karma.

@irawilliams343

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Anne Boleyn had the last laugh

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

According to history Henry 8 was very fond of his mother, it's a pity he wasn't as fond of his wives who didn't deserve the treatment he dished out to them. If Jane Seymour didn't die after the birth of Prince Edward I'm sure he'd have found a way to dispose of her too, the man was a womaniser . Imo

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

That's true - and that's an interesting point about Jane Seymour! He placed her on a pedestal, same as his mother, and who knows what would have happened had she lived, as you say.

@sallyreno6296

9 ай бұрын

In theory he placed Jane on a pedestal. In practice, he walked away and let her die.@@HistorysForgottenPeople

@wardarcade7452

4 ай бұрын

I think he'd have kept Jane Seymour as his legal wife the rest of his own life as long as Edward, Prince of Wales himself lived. However, Henry wouldn't have been above fooling around even on Jane -especially since as king he could have any woman he wanted [!]! Of course, it's interesting that after Edward's birth, not only did none of his stepmothers bear any offspring for Henry but there were no claims of any nonmarital babies born via any extramarital trysts so it's likely that his health had been compromised enough to render sterile thereafter!

I actually felt a tiny bit sorry for Henry....just a little. Every man in that period wanted sons to carry on the family names and titles if they had it. So of course, so would a king. Of course they didn’t know that they were responsible for the sex of the baby then either. I felt bad for him because he was surrounded by people who only wanted to further their place at court and increase their fortunes. So many people whispering in his ears, which trickled down to the women in his life. The whole thing was just a tragedy for all concerned. His personality change was quite drastic. I wonder, if he hadn’t been surrounded by such greedy men and had he not listened to them and had advisors who also weren’t just looking out for themselves, what kind of king and father he could have been.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

You're right, and I'm a bit like you - researching a little more behind the reasons Henry might have made the decisions he did revealed a little bit more than the usual 'well, he was a male who wanted a male because he was in a male-dominated world' (which is valid, but simple and not the whole truth) made me feel a little sorry for him, too. Which is amazing, because I think he's pretty awful! 😅 It's an interesting thing to think about what Henry VIII might have been like as a father if he had simply been born an ordinary man, as you say.

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

We will never know, but someone had to know at the time of the wedding night with Arthur. The young princess had ladies in waiting with her. A servant would have straighten and cleaned the bed and room in general. So it would have been noticed. Since Arthur was young and naive, he probably never did consummate his marriage. We can only guess even though Henry would have done what he wanted regardless.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I agree that if anything had really happened between Catherine and Arthur, someone definitely would have noticed something. I personally don't think the marriage was consummated myself, but of course, that's just my opinion! And you're right as well in that Henry probably would have ignored any evidence corroborating that even if it had existed.

@wardarcade7452

4 ай бұрын

Curiously, even though Henry disputed Catherine's claim that her union with the doomed Arthur had been unconsummated, he didn't dispute Catherine having been a virgin bride when HE married her!

Great insightful video with stunning visuals and engaging storytelling, you're a wonderful narrator. Excellent work throughly well researched. Thank you so much 🙏

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

You're very kind! Thank you so much. I'm really glad you enjoyed it. 😊

Henry VIII’s upbringing that was coupled by the Tudor’s dynastic insecurities and uncertainties of remaining on the throne of England, seemed to have perpetuated the actions Henry VIII took in trying to secure a male heir. I am very happy that you took the time to explain the multifaceted dilemmas of his surrounding environment that creates a much needed depth to Henry’s personality rather than a one dimensional caricature of a head chopping monarch. Thank you. 👍🏻😌

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I've got to admit, I always try to see two sides to most people, but this was a tough one! Even with the possible reasons behind what he did, Henry was still a horrible guy. But at least there's some sense made of his seemingly irrational decisions.

@OfficeSpace2909

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I concur with you that he would be a very difficult subject to cover, especially when one observes the way he treated his daughters Mary and Elizabeth. Also he was the worst friend one could have especially, when considering the way many of those who would be considered his friends and intimates, ended up on the literal chopping block. His wives definitely deserved better men than what they received from him as their husband. Thank you once again and have a splendid week. :)

@renshiwu305

9 ай бұрын

But Henry was also a narcissist. A lack of male heirs would reflect poorly on his manhood - especially for a tall, athletic, hale man like Henry. We have a public example of Henry's insecurities: when the Imperial ambassador Eustace Chapuys goaded him, Henry said, in open court, "Am I not a man like other men?! Am I not? Am I not?"

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

@@renshiwu305 It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

I have noticed that when the husband is faithful, the children are more likely to live to adulthood (Prince Albert, the mad king, Henry VII and Maximilian Duke of Burgundy and Holy Roman Emperor) because venereal diseases can cause fertility problems in women.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

That's an interesting point, actually! I'm sure that certainly was one of the factors in whether children were healthy and lived a long time or not.

Funny thing, Catherine had a claim over Henrys throne as her grandmother was Philippa while Henry was royal due to conquest and desent from a barred line

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

You're right! It's a good thing for Henry VIII that at the time, no one considered a queen regnant with any seriousness. But I wonder what might have happened had Henry VIII died before Catherine, without divorcing her, with Mary as his only heir? I feel as though Catherine would definitely have brought her claim to the table while she was regent for her daughter.

@wednesdayschild3627

10 ай бұрын

Even more ironic Bishop Fisher was instrumental in legitimizing Henry Tudor. Margaret Beaufort appreciated bishop Fisher. Henry viii had bishop fisher executed. So it was the pope who legitimized but then discarded.

@ruthbeamish8849

10 ай бұрын

I have always felt that the Tudors had a very spurious claim to the throne. A nasty dynasty!!!

@renshiwu305

9 ай бұрын

Elizabeth of York was also Edward IV's eldest surviving legitimate child, though, so while the Beaufort line (Henry VII's mother's family) may have been illegitimate and explicitly barred from inheriting the throne by Henry IV, Elizabeth of York's family (ergo Henry VIII's family) wasn't.

@raquelrodriguez1575

9 ай бұрын

Imagine if they had all the scientific knowledge and innovation that we have today back then. They probably would have had henry put aside much like he did to her, have her being the reigning monarch and appoint a new husband for her. But seeing how much she loved him, I don't think she would have done that. She wasn't evil like him.

I do think Henry's fears make sense. That doesn't make his actions acceptable, yet it was clearly more complex than it looks at first sight.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, that's how I feel about it. Henry still made some horrible decisions, but at least they weren't random in some fashion. For him, at least, I think Henry justified it to himself as doing the best thing for his family and his country. Although it's clear in later years, he certainly regretted a lot of his actions.

@ashleighlancaster1683

9 ай бұрын

No but I do honestly think there is more than simply fear that might explain Henry's actions. He did take a very severe blow to the head which resulted in an extended period of unconciousness while he was married to Anne Boleyn. Contemporary sources seem to indicate his behaviour changed after that incident, and it's well documented even now that a severe blow to the head can causes changes to people's personalities. It is possible he did have some kind of brain damage after that incident, especially given that he was plagued with frequent severe headaches for the rest of his life after that blow to his head.

I found his (HViii’s) Biblical claim to be confused since under the Law of the Old Testament a man was encouraged to take his brother’s widow for the very purpose of continuing the family line (e.g. Tamar)… funny how he is focusing on that, and disobeying his father, while ignoring the clear instruction “do not commit adultry”. I have watch a a lot of Tudor related history content and I have never heard of the evidence of repentance near the end of his life. Such a great video essay. Thanks for the content!

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

You're right, but I think Henry chose to ignore anything that went against what he wanted! He definitely had a good understanding of scripture, and I think it was a bit like the law, where he (his advisors) picked out something to help him, ignoring the parts going against that.

@jocelynmartin1572

10 ай бұрын

​@@HistorysForgottenPeopleHenry could not accept the alternate interpretation because that would make the firstborn son the heir of ARTHUR. Which would disinterest Henry! So that particular rule could mess up royal dynasties for decades. A country needed to resolve the dynastic question right away.

@gemmalynn536

10 ай бұрын

henry didn't want the throne in the beginning,if the tudors were anything they were revolutionairies, since henry's reign the throne has always been filled with no nonsense women (except for eddie the 6th) henry did women a favor, gave them their pride & pretty much minds of their own, he was one of the most 2 faced rulers ever, if it suited him,great, if it didn't who could tell him no?

@jandrews6254

10 ай бұрын

Charrypicking

Mere days ago, I read that at the later parts of his life Henry had depression and anxiety, and he was afraid what will happen to his soul after his death.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

It definitely looks that way! The book 'Psalms and Prayers' that I mention at the end has lots of notes by him indicating the same - Henry was definitely dwelling on the bad stuff in his life. I think aside from his wives he was also always haunted by killing off Thomas Cromwell, who had always been straight with him, and Henry realised what he had lost once he was gone.

@helene4397

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople the anxiety for a son is also very understandable, due to the fact unlike current Royal Family on the throne of UK, Henry was just second King of his family, and on top of that he had no surviving younger brothers. Not to mention that a lack of living son meant unsuccessful marriage in Henry's time.

@Sabrinajaine

9 ай бұрын

I would be scared too if I was religious and had murdered two of my wives

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

@@helene4397 It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

@helene4397

5 ай бұрын

@@kashfiaislam9995 at the time of his death, Mary, Elizabeth and Edward were all alive and unmarried, so he must have thought that at least one of them would live long enough to have an heir.

Thank you for yet another wonderful video. Yellow was apparently not the colour of mourning in Spain at the time. Alison Weir had made this claim but later stated it was unsubstantiated as there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of this after all, which if true makes wearing yellow on Katherine’s passing truly vile. Strange how things happen, seeing as Anne miscarried on the day of Katherine’s funeral

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Ah, I didn't know that - I got that from another book, not the Alison Weir one, so I thought it was fairly solid. Thanks for letting me know, I'll make a note in the description. In that case, it was a really horrible thing to do! And you're right, the miscarriage on the day of the funeral always made me wonder if karma really is a thing...

@melenatorr

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople we know that in Spain both white and black were common for mourning: when the Marques de Cadiz died, Isabel put the entire court in white in his honor; when her son died, she wore black for the rest of her life. There's no real evidence for yellow being used in Spain at this time. I would also take issue with the common statement that Henry Tudor ended the conflict of the Wars of the Roses: there were at least two rebellions early in his reign, both championing the Yorkist cause. And though there were fewer wide-spread battles based on succession, there was plenty of the insecurity mentioned in a comment above, which involved many imprisonments and executions, including that of Edward of Warwick and his sister Margaret decades later. Not one of the Tudor monarchs ever felt completely secure in their situation. It was the price and legacy of Henry Tudor's decision to take the throne to begin with.

@ruthbeamish8849

10 ай бұрын

Apparently Henry and Jane Seymour both wore yellow on the day Anne Boylyn was murdered ( oops . Executed) If only poor Catherine had only 1 surviving boy. .Anne, Jane, Anne, Catherine and Katherine might have had happy and fulfilled lives with other men. Good men!!

I always wondered why he didn't marry off his daughters to try and get grandsons if it was always about dynasty?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's especially strange with Mary, you're right. I think the problem was that Henry backed himself into such a corner with European politics from his decision to split from Rome that it was difficult to choose a 'safe bet' for either daughter. So, for example, someone from the Spanish royal family would typically have been perfect to create ties with, to set against France, like when Henry married Catherine of Aragon. But because of his split with her, and the fact the Spanish were Catholic meant Henry and his advisors were worried such an alliance would plunge England back into Catholicism and make it just another part of the Hapsburg empire. An alliance with countries more allied with England could have worked (such as the Low Countries, Denmark, etc.), except that they wouldn't have been much of a match against a Spanish-French alliance and so Spain and France might have taken the opportunity to go to war.

@LusiaEyre

9 ай бұрын

"The great matter" kicked off when Mary was 12. For 7 years, she was in limbo as to her status. No one would touch her in such an unstable position. She was bastardised, and Lady Mary didn't have the same pull as Princess Mary. Elizabeth was declared a bastard at the age of 2 or 3. If anyone would petition to marry one of them, they would declare their opinion on Henry's politics. Which could be a slippery slope if Henry felt offended. Also, he died when Elizabeth was still a girl. There is also a possibility that Elizabeth wasn't married off by her brother or his council to prevent rival claimants coming forward. At least until Edward had his own heirs. Any child from Mary or Lizzie could be used against him. Catholics already favoured Mary, and if she had a son? And when Mary finally claimed the throne and married and hoped for children to uphold her Catholic Kingdom, Elizabeth, having heirs of her own, would not be safe. And she couldn’t force her to the altar to marry a Catholic. I think Phillip of Spain suggested someone for Elizabeth, and she told them to stuff it (in other words, perhaps).

When you have the ideal mother, all other women must be found wanting.

Amazing documentary! Presented Henry VIII in a way that I never explored. 👏👏👏

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 He's a tricky one to find a different angle on, but I always think there must be reasons behind the decisions made, even by people like Henry VIII.

Speaking of forgotten historical figures, would you consider doing a video on Katherine Swynford? As you probably know, she was John of Gaunt's scandalous mistress, whom he later married. She must have been an interesting person.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Oooh, yes! There's probably not enough on her for a full video on her own, but I've been thinking of doing a video on the many mistresses and illegitimate children connected to that period of time, so Katherine could definitely go in there. 😊

@kathleenstoin671

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I read Mistress of the Monarchy, by Alison Weir. Have you read it?

@ruthbeamish8849

10 ай бұрын

​@@kathleenstoin671Try Katherine by Anna Seton A novel but amazingly good and well researched.

@kathleenstoin671

10 ай бұрын

@@ruthbeamish8849 I read it 60 years ago, several times since then, and I still have a copy of the book. I agree that it's mostly well researched for 1954, but more records have been unearthed since then. I think Alison Weir's book is more accurate because of that. And of course, Katherine is a novel. Mistress of the Monarchy isn't.

@ruthbeamish8849

10 ай бұрын

@@kathleenstoin671 I hadn't heard that particular book and I am an enthusiastic reader of Alison Weir. I will be looking for it. Thanks

I’m surprised how wonderful his parents were, his father also so handsome, but I’m sad they didn’t teach him to better respect women or his marital partner-

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

I think it proves that sometimes the child can be very different from the parents - plus if Henry VIII had never had his head injury, that may have changed things. They were sadly both dead by the time he married Catherine as well, so I wonder what his father might have said had he lived longer.

@sweetcherry7759

9 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Maybe? But I think Nurture can have a strong influence as well as Nature. After all it might of been his father spent more time w his eldest sine before he died than w Henry, which for a boy before puberty is okay I suppose (?) but 13+ I think he’d need his Father. Regardless, it was a sad case overall. Perhaps if he had another Father Figure, it might of helped?

Why is he called pious and devout , when he was clearly a womaniser and an adulterer???

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Well, you have to look at it through the eyes on the period in which he lived. Back then, provided you prayed, went to church, and knew a lot about scripture, as well as being nobility or royalty, you were considered pious. There were different rules for Kings and normal people, who absolutely would have been viewed differently.

@annmaria4942

9 ай бұрын

Sorry, Bt that’s just hypocracy. Church doesn’t have different rules for different people.

I’ve read that Henry VII had already spent Catherine of Aragon’s dowry, so he couldn’t return her to her family for reuse. And then, papal dispensations regardless, and her fertility with Henry VIII proved by the birth of a daughter, #8 decides to rely on one bit of the bible, rather than the bit that requires a man to marry his deceased brother’s childless (son-less, daughters don’t count) widow and get her with child (ie a son) so that his deceased brother’s name “shall not die in Israel” (so dead bro has a “son” to say Kaddish, I’m thinking).

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I heard that as well, that Henry VII had already spent the dowry (and that he believed he was owed more, I think), so that doesn't surprise me. And you're right, Henry VIII definitely cherry-picked which bits of the bible were applicable for him at different times, that's for sure!

Interesting to get to better understand the motives behind Henry’s actions, for he is more like an urban legend at this point now lol

@DarthRKO-li7qm

10 ай бұрын

Hello again.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Exactly - he is probably my least favourite monarch of possibly all time (no, there's too many contenders for that), or at least of the Tudors, but I still like to know WHY he did all the things he did. He was a very intelligent guy, and good at 'being king', so there have to be some sort of reasons for his decisions.

@lfgifu296

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople exactly! there was mourning when he died (by the people, that is), so he mustn’t have been that bad of a king. He was, however, a terrible person

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

Henry was raised to be in the church which was custom for the spare. He knew the rules. He wanted what he wanted and that was Catherine.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Well, there's some discussion with modern historians that he wasn't actually raised to join the church, as there's not really any evidence of that. You're right in that he was definitely raised as a devout Catholic, and it was something he connected with his paternal grandmother on (Margaret Beaufort). He certainly did know the rules, and so was also aware of how to bend those - not unlike lawyers today, I suppose!

@TheBreechie

9 ай бұрын

He wasn’t hated by his father - I’ve never watched a doco with so many falsities

@TheBreechie

9 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeoplethat’s a very small set of historians who don’t have any respect in the field…. are you providing I fornatio or cherry picking evidence for your bullshit video

Oh how it feels good some history history to bless our sunday :)

I just never understood how they had no issues with a Queen Consort as a regent over the kingdom while her husband is off on campaign or until the heir was of legal age to rule, but had a issue with a woman being Queen in her own right.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Oh, they definitely still had a problem with a queen regent by this point (like not allowing Margaret of Anjou to be regent), and I think part of that was because of Isabella of France! But you're right in that they had a problem with a woman being Queen. It's the reason the first woman who should have been queen regnant - Empress Matilda - had her throne successfully usurped by her cousin Stephen. Even her father made it clear she was only queen in the hopes she would have a son who became king (which she did). I think a lot of it just comes down to good ol' misogyny, which was very ingrained even at the point in history.

@birdsinparadise3113

8 ай бұрын

I always thought it was because they couldn't figure out what rank to give the husband. A kings wife is queen but kings outrank queen so you can't make him a king 😮. I guess they figured it out in modern times

New sub. I love history. Love your pacing. Not you, but some of the history vlogs have so many names (of people & places) that I can't keep up, get frustrated, & stop watching.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Thank you, great to have you here! I try to spread out the names and places a bit (especially when people have very similar names!), but obviously I get that it's sometimes difficult depending on how many people you put in the documentary, too.

It saddens me so to hear Katherine and Henry’s early marriage, because it was so happy. They really seemed to love each other (despite his extra-marital affairs). Even Katherine looking the other way at his dalliances; if you compare her to Anne Boleyn, for example, who lashed out at his cheating (quite hypocritical btw), they seemed much more matched for one another-Katherine and Henry, that is-. So sad that their marriage broke off due to something like that :(

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

If Catherine had just had one son, she would have been quite safe where she was. The funny thing is, we look back on it with hindsight, but back then everyone would assume she was safe as his wife regardless of whether she had a son or not. There's a lot of evidence that Catherine regarded Mary as the heir to the throne long before Henry did, as well.

@elizabethmcleod246

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeopleIf Catherine had a son that lived, she would have been safe. Her firstborn was a son that lived 52 days. So sad.

@gemmalynn536

10 ай бұрын

royals didn't marry for love, they're lives centered around politics & having heirs, especially males, kathy wasn't blind to that, she just hoped henry was different than the same old, he proved history would be no different no matter given to his queen

@gemmalynn536

10 ай бұрын

@@elizabethmcleod246hat's like saying she should've known or hell any woman then & now should know what the sex of a baby was?? we wish we could do that, back in henry's day??? you sound as if you blame her for the wretched kings behavior is because there was no sons, in the end even the hardest & coldest monarchs wanted their dynasty to survive, that's why we ended up with queens for the past 200 yrs, none of them were as prejudiced against a ruling queen or we would never have had one, & henry was following annes say so for everything that happened to kathy after anne stepped into the picture, henry let kathy see mary one time in 5 yrs, i dont think for a second henry was at all pleased about banishing kathy but he had a dynasty to protect also, she was female so he had to try for something new, pretty much, men aint changed

@jenscena

10 ай бұрын

Are you saying Anne Boleyn cheated on him? You really know nothing about her.

You don't kill your wives if they have girls

Have a wonderful week and thank you for an interesting video. 👑

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Thank you, you too! 😊 I'm glad you liked the video.

The artwork on this video is blazing!!!🔥👑👍👍

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. 😊 I'm having a lot of fun bringing everyone 'to life', as much as Midjourney will allow it. Cannot tell you how long it takes to make it do a Tudor gable hood! 😂

Not complicated at all. Male world. Male primogeniture

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Didn't apply to many other kings, including several contemporaries in Europe. There's always reasons for everything, otherwise historians wouldn't bother going over the same facts.

Hate the way anne is portrayed as wanting to rise, argumentative etc. she was extremely religious and intelligent.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

She certainly was, but at the period I focus on, it's well known the pair argued. I've never seen that as a negative for Anne, it shows she was passionate and not willing to back down in a fight.

@renshiwu305

9 ай бұрын

Religious and intelligent she may have been, but she was also argumentative and vocal and tried to influence policy - all of which would be considered off-putting and impolitic. Her personal motto was "Groigne Qui Groigne" - let grumble who would grumble. Anne Boleyn was a smarter and more talented version of Meghan Markle: a swarthy, opinionated social climber who tried to manipulate her tall, athletic, redheaded younger son prince who was spoiled by his beautiful blonde mummy.

I just came across this channel. It is very good.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy it here. 😊

Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you? I'm doing well. Your history videos are always enjoyable. Have a great day. See you next video greetings from Canada 😊

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, Michelle, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm doing well, you have a great day too. 😊

Very interesting and informative! Thanks!

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

I'm pleased you enjoyed it! 😊

in the end , all his children's died without any child to continue his legacy. Sadly, the crown has given to someone else and his throne stop at only by his children's. Karma is real even in the past.

I think the explanation as to the reason Henry VIII wanting a son and heir has to do with the times he lived in, the struggles of the Wars of the Roses, and his view on masculinity. As I understand it, thrones, estates, and titles were passed through the male line at the time. Not all the time, but most of the time. England went through a struggle when Henry I died centuries before and tried to have his daughter Matilda succeed him as a Queen Regnant. The aristocracy wasn't having it and the throne ultimately went to a male cousin, King Stephen. The Wars of the Roses were likely on Henry VIII's mind as well, and these battles were between cousins who were male! So if a male had a hard time keeping his crown, then what hope did a female claimant have? Henry VIII also thought of himself as a paragon of perfection in a man, and a man especially if he's a King, can father sons.

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

It's not complicated. No woman had ruled in her own right and Henry didn't want his daughters to be the 1st.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Yes, but no monarch faced with a daughter as heir had put aside his first wife of many years for another woman who he then claimed was now his wife and queen, as well as separating an entire country from the only religion they had known for centuries. That sort of decision making doesn't happen overnight, and Henry didn't just decide as soon as Mary was born that he would push her aside.

@debashrita_2013

10 ай бұрын

Empress matilda?

@victoriachasse6224

10 ай бұрын

​@@debashrita_2013she never actually reined because the Earls put Stephen on the throne. But her son was Henry I

Something I've never seen covered: was Henry sleeping around while chasing Anne?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

That's a good question. Henry actually had (compared to some earlier kings, obviously not his own father) relatively few known mistresses. That's not to say he didn't have more, but they're not recorded or known, if he did. He seems to have been fairly infatuated with Anne while courting her (perhaps deepening his disappointment when she didn't turn out to be his romantic ideal, after all) so it's possible he didn't. Having said that, there's nothing to suggest he didn't, either. It would be a difficult question to answer, I think, with a lot of filling in the gaps.

Henry VIii suffered a fall from jousting , he was unconscious and took on head trauma. Changing his personality and in real Pain !

@HistorysForgottenPeople

6 ай бұрын

I think that was definitely part of what happened to him, as we do have so many modern-day examples of severe head trauma sometimes altering the personality of a person.

@susanlett9632

Ай бұрын

Disagree. Excuse

This picture of Elizabeth at 2:19 really shows how her eyes stood out they almost don't look human piercing & beautiful one would think she was a supernatural creature.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Well, I'm afraid that's my fault! It's an AI picture of her, but the pictures don't come out very high-resolution. So I use another program to make them higher resolution, and sometimes it overdoes it on the brightness of the eyes. 😂

@catspaw3092

9 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Well I like it so don't beat yourself up. 😀

The relatively simple wedding might have been purely a financial consideration since they were throwing such a lavish double coronation. If this was the case, then there is every reason to believe that Catherine of Aragon would have happily agreed. Catherine of Aragon was not a stupid child and had been brought up by a fierce co-regnant mother. Saving a little money on the wedding to have a lavish coronation, would have made complete sense. I wouldn't even consider Henry's initial attitude of regifting some of the things Catherine gave him to be any big deal but merely a cultural difference. A king's wealth in English History is there for securing the loyalty of his nobles not necessarily his own use. The famously miserly Henry VII would have made this absolutely clear to Henry 8. I'm sure he did keep some pieces for himself and wear them in Catherine's presents. But she was a foreign Queen brought up in a different culture where this kind of re-gifting might have been offensive. After lingering in England in uncertain status for 8 years! She would have had every reason to protect her own neck and act like the perfect doting wife.

It kills me that his advisored and the Church, actuallty said, "Divorce her for incest? No! Here, sleep with your sister!"

@HistorysForgottenPeople

26 күн бұрын

I thought that was so funny, myself. It reveals a lot about how the late medieval church didn't want to stray from any of their rules with the Reformation hovering in the background, even if it meant incest. Explains a lot about the poor Habsburgs, as well.

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They all wanted sons…kings, princes, etc…

Henry VIII really wanted a son because he felt insecure in his rule and dynasty and was too proud to admit his dynasty would be more like Spain’s and not France’s. France had sons to be heirs and Henry couldn’t stand for it. Also, Ferdinand of Aragon didn’t help matters by making a mockery of his daughter’s new kingdom.

hello , great share, thank you , for sharing..................

Great video as, filled with beautiful artwork. By question didn’t Henry also have an affair with Mary Boleyn prior to meeting Anne🤔

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

He did! (I'm afraid she only gets the briefest mention in this one) I think there were rumours about her children possibly being Henry's as well, although most modern historians (me included) dispute that, but at the time it can't have been nice for Mary to have whispers behind her back.

@crocodiledundee8685

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople and if I’m not mistaken, didn’t Mary and her father Thomas become closer together after Anne’s execution.

THANK YOU for aging and showing H8 weight gain through the years.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I did my best, so thank you! 😊 It was rather fun making a 'younger' Henry on Midjourney and seeing the difference.

I have A question: would you ever consider make A video of any of the Russian monarchs.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I definitely would! I've found KZread's algorithm likes me better if I do a series of videos on one era in one go (instead of lots of different eras like I have being doing), so I'm doing a bunch of Wars of the Roses/Tudors videos for a while, but I've definitely got lots of others waiting on my list. I've wanted to do Welsh monarchs, Scottish monarchs and Russian monarchs for a while, so they are coming. 😊

@leaveittoweaver4525

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I'm so excited for those!!! Your channel is one of my very very favorites..

@beth7935

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople OMG, Welsh monarchs!! 🤩I've _just_ started trying to sort them out! (And my brain hurts, lol). I hope you'll include the legendary Owain Glyndwr- there's not enough about him on youtube imo, & I don't think I'm the only person who didn't realise his rebellion lasted so long & was such a big deal- the Tripartate Agreement was epic! There's a cool Tudor link too, ofc, as Henry VII's great-grandfather & his 2 brothers were Owain's cousins & captains in his army... Scottish & Russian monarchs would be awesome too, & in the meantime, I LOVE the Wars of the Roses! 😍

Wouldn’t it be fun to travel back and inform ole Tubby Tudor that it was his fault he didn’t have many sons? Science would have shut his mouth on that topic and saved several lives.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I would pay good money to just watch that from the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn. Also bonus points if someone let him know that the most successful monarch out of his children was in fact Elizabeth.

@jandrews6254

10 ай бұрын

He’d cut your head off! How dare you

@AlisonProctor-fq4kt

10 ай бұрын

Yes! He’d be furious though that she left no children, resulting in a Stuart on his throne. Not a very good one at that!

@helene4397

9 ай бұрын

You would lose your head.

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

Why did each and every monarch in history want a son, I wonder? Good old patriarchy at work, that's why. A son will carry your name, lineage, dynasty, while a daughter is worth nothing, as everone knows who has dabbled in ancient history. That applies to European civilizations as well as the Arabs, the Chinese, the Indians and whoever you can think of. It is fittingly ironic that H8’s successor was his daughter Elizabeth I, one of the most glorious monarchs of Great Britain, and that she steadfastly refused to marry, and died childless.

@MEJEL-belongedofyehawashi

9 ай бұрын

His successor was actually his son Edward VI by Jane Seymour. Queen Jane Gray, his cousin once removed, was his successor, and Mary succeeded that cousin less than two weeks later. Elizabeth was Mary's successor.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

True, but few monarchs actually created a new religion that tore their country in two, discarded their first wife and beheaded another, continuing on in the pursuit of that son. As a footnote, it wasn't always that black and white. Henry I of England was quite happy to name his daughter Matilda as his heir (and make nobles swear to the fact twice), with the understanding she was basically holding the throne for his grandsons. Even in Henry VIII's own living memory, Isabella of Castile was queen in her own right of her lands, and when she died, she left those lands to her daughter, Juana. Juana only didn't become a full queen regnant due to the manipulation and abuse of first her husband, and then her father, both of whom wanted her lands and were able to do so by erroneously declaring her mad. Henry VIII's desperation was also rooted in the anxiety for the fledgling dynasty his father had created with Elizabeth of York, as at the time having a daughter would also possibly have meant a loss of England. It's not that a daughter was worthless (that was very different in different cultures). As an example, he had Mary, but one of the reasons he kept changing her engagement arrangements was because the possible spouses for her were tricky to manage. An alliance with Spain would be advantageous against France, but equally any sons Mary had would likely be based in Spain and England would be absorbed into its empire. France would be very similar. The only way to maintain England's independence (at a time when a woman refusing to have a husband or children couldn't be envisioned) was to have an English son, not a half-English grandson.

Do we know about Margaret Beaufort's appearance? I don't know a single source, like St. Fisher, commenting much about.. which makes me wonder maybe she wans't a beautiful woman. Do you know anything related to that? Great channel, keep up the incredible work❤

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

You're right, and even usually where there's no actual description for a medieval lady, they are mentioned as being conventially beautiful, such as with Elizabeth Woodville. Having said that, I don't think there's anything written about Margaret to the contrary either, and medieval commentators were just as quick to leap on someone if they were ugly! Perhaps it suggests that Margaret was simply 'normal' looking, or that she kept a tight control on her image/description preferring to push her achievements instead, or both?

@MessiKingofKings

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Good point, there's not much on the contrary. Isabella of Aragon (Duchess of Milan) is said to have been very ugly by different sources who met her, even by a friendly ambassador who praised her morals. We don't have that for Margaret, and it's expected from St. Fisher not to praise her as beautiful, he was a very austere man and likely didn't want to praise as not to fall into courly love (just a wild take!). We also don't have anyone commenting on Christine of Pizan's appearance but that does not mean she was unpleasant looking, as you said..

I don't think that the "yellow is the Spanish colour of mourning" narrative fits. I mean, look at Katherine's nephew, Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor. He was married to Isabella of Portugal, the woman he considered the love of his life and to whom he remained faithful. (Their story is similar to that of Henry VII's and Elizabeth of York.) After she died, he wore black and remained wearing black for the rest of his life... not yellow, despite being King of Spain.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

No, you're absolutely right - I've put an explanation in the description for this! 😅 I got that information from a couple of books that had used Alison Weir's research about that, but she later retracted it, saying that, in fact, the evidence for this was shaky. Unfortunately I already had it in the video and it's difficult to edit out, so I've popped a note in my description instead. It seems, rather disgustingly, Henry and Anne really did wear yellow in celebration....

I thought the whole Leviticus thing said that if the a man dies, the brother in law is supposed to marry her?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

It does, I think! Henry VIII was pretty clued up on the bible though, so I think he would have known that, but he cherry-picked what suited him and what didn't. When he was looking for a way to annul his marriage to Catherine, he made his advisors go through the bible, not unlike a lawyer looking for a contradictory law.

@kaleanaking5292

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople it’s been over 2 decades since I read the Bible but I was like I thought that was the whole point of him using that passage lol. And honestly I’m not surprised that he did, when you want out you’ll do whatever to get out (see Anne Boleyn and her lack of a head), I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t crazy. Well not any more than I already am lol

Was it normal in Renaissance Europe for monarchs to execute their wives? I would have thought after he divorced his first and executed the other most eligible women would have thought twice before becoming Mrs Tudor

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

No, it definitely wasn't normal! I think for most women who lined up after Anne Boleyn (and that's tenuous, more likely pushed in by male relatives wanting power!), they felt safe in the knowledge that Anne Boleyn had been found guilty of adultery, and therefore they would be fine as they wouldn't do that. It probably never crossed their minds that the charges against Anne Boleyn were likely trumped up to remove her. Katherine Howard, however, is an abnormality there, but was likely led by the stupidity and confidence of youth more than anything else.

Typical Narcissist patterns

Well....... atleast he got what he wanted.......even though his daughters ruled better then him

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

That's true! I wonder what he might have thought of his daughters ruling, had he been able to - I think certainly a lot of people who had lived through all the way from Henry to serve Elizabeth were probably impressed.

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

I felt sorry for all of the kids.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

They definitely were the ones who suffered the most from their father's decisions.

I get the whole wanting a male heir cause when I personally think about it, a female heir is not the same, cause of the husband they will marry. Also he thought Anne would be like his mother but then she had to have a big mouth. His thoughts.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

You're right in a way, and it's something that became very clear later on when Mary married Philip. Half their marriage contract was making certain that Philip would not absorb England into the Spanish empire if Mary died first, but if she had given birth to an heir, that child would likely have been raised by Philip to see England as just a small part of a larger inheritance.

Pope proposed Henry to marry his son to the half sister, Mary? damn! I guess being pushed and among such a mad people, will eventually turn you mad as well! and such a people had the nerve to question Henry's children being legitimate or not

@HistorysForgottenPeople

6 ай бұрын

This is it - everything seems to be terrible until you need to suggest it for your own ends! 🤣

Everyone portrays Catherine of Aragon as a woman with black hair, which is totally wrong, she had light auburn colored hair. And another thing She was born in Bask country and most everyone from there is RH factor blood, and unless the child a mother is carrying is of the same blood type as the mother the child will not survive. And Mary probably had the same blood type as her mother making it difficult for her to get pregnant. And wanting to do so so badly her body convinced her that she was.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Yup, and Midjourney did a pretty good job of making the images of her with strawberry-blonde hair, although a few of them might have looked more light brown. 😉 What made it even sadder for both Catherine and Mary was that Juana of Castile (Catherine's sister), was able to have children so easily.

So can you answer the question you posed *explicitly*

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

As much as known sources will allow, I certainly try to.

@noneofurbusiness5223

9 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Go on . . . _still_ haven't gotten an answer.

Some of these comments are great.

Anyone have an explanation for why Henry's wives had so many stillborn children?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

Off the top of my head, I'm sure I've read something somewhere suggesting it was Henry VIII himself who was at fault, through something genetically carried through one of his great-grandmothers, Jacquetta of Luxembourg. I think it was the Kell antigen? But don't quote me on that. It was something to do with Henry carrying it and his wives not carrying it, thus making the foetuses incompatible. Mary and Elizabeth may have survived because they inherited the gene as well.

Lucy 😀

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

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I feel kinda sorry for Henry, hes seen Frist hand of the importance of having a male heir, as his brother died, and during this time a woman has never held the title of Queen in her own right. During henerys lifetime the frist 10 heirs to the throne where all female, which has never happened before and when a male did arrive, he was the king of Scotland so as a monarch, so being a monarch over two relams was unusual. Sad thing is henry died thinking his line was secured

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, while Henry VIII was a pretty horrible fellow (even with some understanding of why he did what he did), you can definitely feel his panic at the idea he would be the one to destroy the fragile dynasty he father had fought for. As you say, he died thinking his son would carry it on, but it wasn't to be. It kind of makes you wonder about Elizabeth's decision not to marry, as to whether another angle might have been that she wanted to end her line after what her father had done? But that's just conjecture on my part.

@Lulu-ut9pv

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I know during H7s time there was constant threats, revolts, other Plantagegents ect so yes the Tudor dynasty was the newest dynasty at the time so was very fragile Maybe if Elizabeth did Marry and have children again another change in history, I think at the time women where still having to prove themselves, even heritance laws were complicated and even in their religion the woman must be submissive to her husband yet she would be Queen of England and saw the disaster of her sisters relationship It's strange how H8 started off as the heir but became the only male in his dynasty for the next 40 years

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

@Lulu-ut9pv

5 ай бұрын

@@kashfiaislam9995 yes, I think he must have felt that as part of his duty is to have male children, he did have more male children than female children but only one male child lived (Edward) the rest either died as infants or still born.... Makes you wonder if he had a genetic issue to why so many babies died. Funny thing if Henry's will was followed, Mary's descendants would be the monarchs today, history could have been alot different

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

@@Lulu-ut9pv I did mean one of his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

Henry VIII wanted a son to continue his line upon his death, as many monarchs did at the time, even if he was never meant to be king at first.

@kashfiaislam9995

5 ай бұрын

It was a total waste of time for King Henry VIII to be obsessed with fathering a son since the current monarchy is directly descended from his older sister Margaret. King Henry VIII’s older sister Margaret was the spare heir. On his deathbed King Henry VIII finally accepted the fact that the future British monarchy would be descended from his sisters. 🎭🩰🎨

Could Henry have killed the two princes because he couldn't of crowned himself king if they were alive.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

That's certainly one of the theories out there. I discuss it a little bit in my Margaret Beaufort videos, as he certainly had motive, but it would have been difficult for him to get anyone to kill them on his behalf as he had little support in England. Same goes for his mother. Having said that, if he did do it, pious or not, I think Margaret Beaufort would have helped him cover it up. But all of it is conjecture, of course!

OMG King Henry VIII is such a womanizer! He had a lot of wives and children from his 6 wives!

oki now for the question I’ll repeat what I asked History Calling because the question are actually hard to think about 😭 Have you ever watched Outlander? If so, what are your favourite characters and why? I’ll say mine after :)

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

I can't answer this one! I've never watched it, sorry! ☹ I keep meaning to, but there's so many episodes that I get overwhelmed thinking about starting it, haha. Is it good? I got mixed opinions from people I asked, so that put me off a bit as well.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Also, I bet the questions are getting harder to come up with! You've done a great job so far, though. 😊

@lfgifu296

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople oh, dw haha. I liked it, actually! The absolute ton amount of episodes also put me off at first, but I ended up binge watching it in less than a week😭 I think it’s worth it!

@lfgifu296

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Why thank you haha :) sometimes in the middle of the week I get an idea but then forget it it’s actually painful lol

I know this is unpopular. Henry was right to execute Catherine Howard. Henry had been near death. Culpepper and Durham had discarded Catherine. They wanted to be king. Henry's son was only a boy and could have been killed. Henry's mother's two brothers were possibly murdered by their uncle.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

10 ай бұрын

Okay, I don't personally agree, but I like people having a good opinion on history matters. 😊 You're certainly right that Culpeper was definitely a dangerous person to keep alive, and Henry VIII did have to think of his son. But my only argument would be that Catherine Howard was a naïve teenager who had her head turned by a handsome and charismatic young man. Idiotic? Yes. Suitable as a royal wife? Absolutely not. But she wasn't dangerous in any way, with no head for politics or even engaging with her courtiers. She could easily have been imprisoned, forgotten about, and married off to some lower-ranking older gentleman who would keep her far from court. I certainly agree that getting Culpeper out of the way was a necessary evil, but I think Catherine should have been dealt with differently. It's highly likely Henry's ego was wounded by his young, pretty wife going for a handsome young man, especially when he himself was so changed from what he once was.

@wednesdayschild3627

10 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople probably. Not sure if he made an example of her or what. Catherine was definitely a bad choice of a wife. Imagine the horror of Elizabeth of York when her two brothers disappeared. I do not think they ever knew what happened. She must have been terrified for her own life. See Anne Boleyn was rightfully executed too. She had flirted with Norris who was groom of the stool. He could have poisoned Henry. The other two men were witnesses at the marriage of Anne and Henry. I think it would be hard to be a royal. They were always scared of being murdered.

@punkykenickie2408

10 ай бұрын

@@wednesdayschild3627 So he should just have murdered everyone before they could murder him?!

@wednesdayschild3627

8 ай бұрын

@@anonymous-cz7zz I agree. Morally it is awful. Here is the thinking. Kings have food tasters. So there were rumors Catherine of Aragon was poisoned. We do not know what Lady Woster told Cromwell. Someone said that Anne wanted to poison Mary. That would terrify the king. They were a very superstitious people. Anne had promised to deliver a son. She wrote on the picture of the Virgen Mary at the annunciation in the book. That miscarriage right when Catherine died must have looked like an omen to Henry.

Fascinating, thank you. This shows, biology will out, the big man, his harem and pride, just like any chimpanzee.

Who cates what his reason was!; He was just a murderous, evil, sick wicked, mad man!!

@HistorysForgottenPeople

9 ай бұрын

He certainly was, but it never hurts to know history in order to not allow it to repeat itself.