Why Formula 1 Cars Take Hours To Start
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Have you ever wondered how Formula 1 cars are started?
Today I join TDF who will be demonstrating how a 1998's Minardi F1 car is started, who knows maybe in future a current team will show us the updated method! 🏎️
TDF: tour-de-force.co.uk/
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My dad's 1974 plymouth station wagon almost required this much attention, but it was much slower and we did it without sponsors.
@kurtkuczynski8337
Жыл бұрын
That was funny as hell!
@gregrohsful
Жыл бұрын
And first dates are awkward in both.
@optimusmikey
Жыл бұрын
it required way less attention, stupid easy and simple
@josiahevans5699
Жыл бұрын
@@optimusmikey ugh😒😒u musta missed the joke
@hankkingsley9300
Жыл бұрын
You can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor
Windows '95.... its back...no.... it never left....
@thunderstrikesc1261
Жыл бұрын
TRUE
@finewine1001
Жыл бұрын
GENTLEMEN, A SHORT VIEW BACK TO THE PAST
@DrSovertake
Жыл бұрын
@@finewine1001 epic !
@kkuenzel56
Жыл бұрын
Plus a serial port to communicate from the laptop to the car.
@JackNapier22
Жыл бұрын
The Roces In-line Skates got me.
Nico Rosberg on the W07: it took my mechanics 6 hours to start the car. Keke Rosberg on the FW08: compared to the Williams guys. They just pulled my car off the trucks and fired it up. From Nico and Keke Rosberg interview with Martin Brundle in Monaco.
@KitKitChanIsaac
Жыл бұрын
Is that Nico Rosberg that Monaco based KZreadr who beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery?
@Klassik_KT
Жыл бұрын
@@KitKitChanIsaac That guy who makes a lap of a track 10x longer by adding explanations?
@KitKitChanIsaac
Жыл бұрын
@@Klassik_KT Yes
@Arthurzeiro
Жыл бұрын
I mean, the old car did have a much simpler Cosworth DFV.
@ridleyy998
Жыл бұрын
also older f1 cars only needed engines to last a race weekend so they didnt really care
3 seconds behind McLaren in 1998 isn't bad considering the MP4/17 was capable of lapping the entire field on its best day.
@GGosden
Жыл бұрын
MP4/13*
@3ormorecharactersmaybe5
Жыл бұрын
.. until you realized that the gap nowadays between the cars at the front and to the back is half than that. Still, the Mclaren and the Ferrari of those days are truly monsters compared to others on the grid.
@kantina4765
Жыл бұрын
@@3ormorecharactersmaybe5 actually no it's still very impressive. for most of f1s early history a good chunk of the teams that showed up to every race ended up being too slow to even enter qualifying.
@cockus4192
Жыл бұрын
with those slick pileri tires it may acyually be faster than the mclaren 🤡
@nimueh4298
Жыл бұрын
3 seconds is an eternity in racing.
I worked on Locomotives in the Mid 1970's in the Pilbara, Western Australia. We had a loco idling on standby all the time. The moment it was needed in service, the next would be prepared, much the same as this. Over 90% of the wear they said was starting. So we'd heat the coolant and also the oil up to operating temperature, then pump up the oil pressure before it was started. It took about 24hrs if there was no rush to get it ready to fire.
@paoloviti6156
Жыл бұрын
Cold starting has always been the weakest point for any engines that correspond to 90% wear when starting. In this many farmers when they start their big tractors very often I see them revving up with "shots" the engines in order to warm the engine. In my modest opinion I find it very brutal on the engine. I know because I very help my girlfriend with her big tractor that is is "eating" oil from too many Cold starting when it was driven by her brother....
@BloopTube
Жыл бұрын
@@paoloviti6156 Hell that even applies to lightbulbs and most mechanical things I can think of, starts are what kills everything
@paoloviti6156
Жыл бұрын
@@BloopTube yes, I agree with you fully 👍👍
@s0nnyburnett
Жыл бұрын
@@BloopTube less cycling of anything is usually better
@SorenCicchini
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I did a little bit of work on a much smaller diesel engine (somewhere around 1,000 hp or less) in an emergency power generating set at a wastewater treatment plant about 15 years ago. As I recall, it had a supplementary electrically-driven oil circulation pump and an electric oil heater to keep it warm enough to be ready for action. I can't remember exactly how this oil circuit integrated with the main one that used the pump mechanically-driven by the engine itself (probably just a short bypass around the mechanical pump, operating in parallel) or whether it stopped operating when the engine was running (perhaps based on oil temperature and/or pressure feedback) or just kept going regardless.
I absolutely love the late nineties era F1 cars, especially the noise. Thank you.
@1ytcommenter
Жыл бұрын
V10 sounds the best. only ferraris v12 were still a bit better sounding. :D
@harold6863
Жыл бұрын
@@1ytcommenter I can never forget the scream of the Ferrari V12 not to mention the smell. Could always hear it and detect it even before it came into sight. I realise you can’t holt progress but they were amazing.
@isaakcaves1245
Жыл бұрын
@Frank Vera eNviRonMeNtaL rEasOns
@rebelguy9487
Жыл бұрын
@Frank Vera Because "progress" :-/
@SuperiorNo1
Жыл бұрын
@@1ytcommenter McLaren Honda V12 Ayrton Senna 🇧🇷😈
Love this kind of content. So cool to get a peek behind the curtain, and honestly it’s cooler to learn about it on a period-piece V10 Minardi than even a 2022 car
@2earache
Жыл бұрын
But so incredibly complicated unless of course, you’re an F1 engineer! But beautifully complex!
@toasteddingus6925
Жыл бұрын
So amazing..... Just insane
@tanvirhussain6106
Жыл бұрын
Agreed older cars were amazing
@chanchaniceman
Жыл бұрын
Any era of F1 cars have its own charm be it the all conquering V10 Ferraris or V6 turbo Mercedes or something backmarkers like the Minardis,every era of F1 cars are beautiful in it’s own ways
@R9naldo
8 ай бұрын
When F1 was more open and much more friendly to independant teams. Today, there are no independant teams, the expensive and overly complicated turbo hybrid V6s have destroyed that competitive balance. Every team is either a manufacturer, a manufacturer's "junior team" or at least buy most of your parts of a manufacturer - independant teams have no chance to survive.
I remember Niki telling about how the director of the movie Rush described a scene he had in mind to him. Niki should jump in the car, fasten the seatbelt, turn the key to start it and drive away. Nikki told him, you are strapped in the car by assisstants and there's no key in an F1 car, you push a button. The director obviously had a lot to learn about those fairly simple racecars. It would have taken Niki 2 hours to explain to him how to start this one. lol
"Quilmes" on the wing is an argentinian beer, this car was driven by Esteban Tuero from Argentina.
@lokokklo
Жыл бұрын
Vine a buscar ese dato!!!
Six minutes of how to start a f1 car up for dummies, well explained & brilliant information Thankyou Oh & what a sound those v10s ❤
Once again killing it with the content. Easily the best F1 videos
Always loved that livery... maybe even more so now, since it reminds me of the season where I started watching F1 for real.
@WalkerKlondyke
Жыл бұрын
Same. Crazy to think that was just a couple years after Senna died. Schumacher was the only F1 god I knew at the time. Still, I was a Mika fan.
@Gravengaard
Жыл бұрын
@@WalkerKlondyke Same. Or at least everyone was talking about this Schumacher, but I was a Mclaren fan. Even had the MP4-13 as a model car 😍
Late 90's Indy car startup was similar. Not nearly as complicated. But all temps and pressures had to be externally manipulated before cranking it up.
I miss teams like Minardi, Arrows, Tyrell...good old times.
@tiadaid
Жыл бұрын
Tyrrell became Mercedes, Minardi became Alpha Tauri, and Arrows...got screwed by a Nigerian prince!
@Stealth_Rider91
Жыл бұрын
Slow teams still exist. Pretty much every one of them except RB, Ferrari and Merc.
@ahmadfirdaus4183
Жыл бұрын
You mean underdog teams run by passionate ppl but didn't have the big team budget?
@milsimgameplays
Жыл бұрын
@@ahmadfirdaus4183 Exactly what I mean :)
@nickypoundtown9568
Жыл бұрын
@@ahmadfirdaus4183 privateers
I've waited for this video for nearly 4 months! And you didn't disappoint.
That's one of the easy things to forget is even a lower midfield or even backmarker formula1 car may be seconds off the pace from the lead teams but they are still one of the fastest cars in the world even still.
I've never felt like a 5 minute video went on for so long. Had no idea about any of this just to start the cars sheesh, mad props
Quality content as always Matt 👍
Even F1 car tech has improved but regardless of what era is always interesting and exciting how each cars are operated whether it’s a terrible car like those Minardis driven by Fernando Alonso in 2001 or Jos Verstappen during 2003 to the current technology advanced title winning Red Bull RB18 driven by Max Verstappen. Every era of F1 cars has its own charm whether it’s a front runningall conquering cars or backmarkers
Totally interesting stuff. Fascinating to this sort of thing being done. Love it.
If the software requires an old laptop for it to run on because the speed of the newer laptops cause problems, then the old software was written by a crap developer. Developers of games back in the 8088 days learned to not use that sort of timing loop when the 8086 started showing up in some PC clones and it was made especially noticeable with the PC-AT was released with the 80286 processor. Many games that used timing loops were basically unplayable on a 80286 based PC since it would run about 6 times faster.
@Federico_Cahis
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but you're talking about F1, where almost every critical component is replaced annually, not a computer game. So creating new programmes and buying new laptops every year or every other year is hardly a concern.
@juandomingoperon828
Жыл бұрын
The code was written by some random guy. The only requirement was just run and period. A lot of enterprise software solutions are ported from older windows versions bc is cheaper than write an entire new code
@trumptookthevaccine1679
Жыл бұрын
YEAH YOU TELL THEM!!!! Stupid F1 vehicles… tired of them not knowing what they’re doing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@SatrioWillBeASuperst
Жыл бұрын
maybe tell that directly to them, don't comment here, they won't listen to you.
Only came across your channel about an hour ago and it’s already my favourite one 😆
Thanks for the info, I knew there was far more to an F1 car than the average driver, but had NO idea it that much involved just to get it started. I love the old F1 cars mainly because of that v10 sound, it just isn't the same anymore since the KERS system was introduced.
@bill3641
Жыл бұрын
" KERS " ?
@ZippyThePinhead
Жыл бұрын
@@bill3641 Kinetic Energy Recovery System. It's too involved for my brain to go into, but you can go online & read about it.
Things are a bit different. Generationally, I think things have improved a bit. In about 1968, when I was a wee tyke, my father wrenched on a Formula Ford. Took all morning to get the car ready to start. I just remember wrenches everywhere and the mound of people wrapped around the engine. No such thing as a computer, just deft hands and a good ear. Dad took me up and down the paddock/pit in his lap once. Good times.
Something I’ve never thought about but KZread algorithms decided it was time for me learn. That’s a long process to start up the car. Thank you!
loved this video, even cooler that it was a Minardi. always my fav team when they were on the grid as loved supporting the underdog
A really well put together segment on what it takes to start up a F1 V10
WOW. I certainly did not know this about the cars. I always thought it would be simply turn key. Thank you so much for this video.
That was very informative, quality content. Thank you!
I was nearby a Williams FW29 (Alex Wurz 2007 Canada chassis) today when it got started up, those two cars (other one is the Rosberg car) are owned by Rajamäki from Finland but are now equipped with Judd engines. Same start procedure as here in the video but damn it was fun to follow all of it
These F1 engines especially these Naturally Aspirated V8 V10 V12 have such tight clearances in the reciprocating assembly and valve guides, it's a good idea the engineers heat up the oil and the coolant to pass through the long motor (from top to bottom) to allow for metal expansion closer to operating temperatures to minimise wear, because if they did start run them cold to warm up, they would have so many engines failing during the races it wouldn't be funny!
@SI0AX
Жыл бұрын
Warming up regular car engines would actually make them last a lot longer before needing to be rebuilt. Most engine wear comes from cold start ups. It's also an environmental plus because the emissions are less for a warmed up engine.
Now that's an anti-theft system !! Sick video, thanks for sharing !!
Really informative video. Best I've seen on race engineering.
Great upload, and very interesting. I had no idea they were that complex to start back in the day...I was 38 in 98...To think how much the world has changed since then, is a bit staggering...They weren't great days, but; I believe they're better than these days...
@SI0AX
Жыл бұрын
The 80's, 90's and early 2000's were the best times to be alive in. After WWII, everyone just wanted to live life in piece after being through hell.
Wow that was very interesting. Great video Matt!
Looks like the one that was at brands hatch for the festival italia an August, that thing sounded awesome
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race - I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?
@frituurpan31
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, could you repeat the question?
@arnenelson4495
Жыл бұрын
Good question.
@andyelliott8027
Жыл бұрын
They'll do whatever they need to do to get the fastest lap times, that's the biggest factor.
@cult_of_odin
Жыл бұрын
The driver should only worry about driving. Entire teams of people with far more specialized knowledge exist so the driver should only worry about driving.
@Boris_V
Жыл бұрын
Sebastian Vettel's remark doesn't make sense at all. Starting a computer is even less complicated than starting a regular car.
This is good advice, if you had to make a quick getaway and had a formula 1 car or a 1965 VW beetle to choose from I know now to choose the VW
I loved Minardi. They where always such the underdog but they worked so very hard for every Euro they had.
this is the first time I have seen any thing like this very good and thank you
Never gave it much thought but the tolerances on those high rpm engines are so much tighter by design they would need the metals at a certain temp or certainly they would cause more damage. Really goes to show how much engineering goes into making the most horse power. And this is a relic the amount of money spent on not only f1 but also nascar and funny cars and anything built for pure speed is insane.
I feel very privileged to be someone who has sat in, and worked on, an actual F1 race car, the A11 Arrows of Derek Warwick, and I’m pretty sure it holds the record at Goodwood now. Not my handiwork, but I helped with the engine and suspension while it was in Australia.
Awesome! & that noise!…. Man I loved those engines!
Great - thank you - to hear the sound of a proper F1 car!!
That was really interesting and the sound of a screaming V10 was always amazing!!!!
This is so cool Thanks for this content !
Very informative! Also, I love that shade of blue.
@tommygrindston6878
Жыл бұрын
Hello, how are you doing
I love the video! more of these pleaseeeeeeee!
It's involved so many crucial preparations to get a F1 Racer running >>> Respect & Salute to the behind the scene Teams of a F1 Racing Team! 🌷🌿🌍💖🕊
LOVE the sounds of those engines
the 90s/00s cars looked so damn good
love the sound of those old v10's
Can we all just take a moment to recognize what a great looking car this is... gorgeous!
A lot of this stuff has actually been simplified , on newer cars, which is great. It means less prep time is needed.
Great video!
Awe.... That V10 sound! 🥰
That starter looks very similar to the one I used in karts (Yamaha 100S with clutch). It was a Toyota Camry starter motor with a battery.
That sound.❤️
wow. underrated bro, you are underrated.
Supercool. So informative!
Great video Tom Scott
Quilmes & Esteban Tuero, old times of Argentina at the 90's
@juanmoya4032
Жыл бұрын
Increible todo
Brilliant job very interesting 🏎
So doesn't necessarily take long to START the car, but to go through a bunch of system ops checks and have it run optimally. Very cool.
What a gorgeous sound.
Vehicle racing is so much more than "cars driving around in circles". That's what people who don't understand say when speaking about NASCAR or Formula racing. There's an incredible amount of engineering and coordination involved.
Amazing to watch this.
Excellent and concise
I don't know why but there's something about 90's F1 cars looks that gets me every time 😍❤️🔥🔝 so beautiful
Well done video!
Not sure why but this is one of the nicest F1 cars I've ever seen!
I miss the V10 era so much 😔
Just imagine: This example is for a F1 car almost a quarter of a century old! One can imagine the startup of a modern F1 car is becoming similar to the launch of a space rocket.
I'd love to have that joystick thingie for my car and listen to it rev its balls off from my porch Btw extraordinary content guys! 10/10
Couldn't avoid noticing the Quilmes logo at the sides of the rear spoiler. Quilmes is a brewery from Argentina "where I'm from". It's crazy I've never noticed something like that before.
I love those classic cars 😃
I've seen it in a few building management controls systems as well, over the last few years. The pain of using something that slow in 2022 cannot be overstated. I'm still a bit confused as to why a virtual machine can't be used? I heard him say that more powerful Pcs mess with the software, but wouldn't the VM take care of that?
@vladsnape6408
Жыл бұрын
It is because they did not hire good programmers. The interface timing is dependant upon the laptop speed, rather than being programmed to be independant of laptop speed. If this was a uni project, I would fail them.
Very straightforward really! 😂🤣
Ah, the venerable CF-19. Used one those for work for about 8 years. Got replaced with a Dell. Wish I still had the CF-19 honestly.
ROCES WOW, this brand was a big part of my life around 30 years ago..
If I remember correctly, the Japanese Zero in WWII, needed to be preheated before flying. The oil used in the engines was so thick, it was more like grease when cold. They would start cold, but would sputter and not have much power. When needing to take off quickly and not sit and heat up for 30 minutes, they attached hoses and circulated preheated oil through the engines. This way they could take off with only a minute preparation, instead of 30 minutes. This was especially useful on aircraft carriers and land airstrips when they needed to take off quickly to defend.
It makes sense that a close-tolerance engine could be easily damaged if cold. After all, the metal is all shrunken down (contracted) due to it being cool/cold. That is a recipe for seizing up.
I miss this era of F1 more than I can describe with words....
The old F1 cars sounded SO good!
The Mercedes-AMG One has an engine very closely based on their 2016 F1 winning entry... Hope it wouldn't take this much long to start it!
looks like fun!
The valves run on air because they Rev so high a traditional valve spring wouldn't work. That's cool asf
One the best sounds in the world!!
That sound is worth every second hard working
They warm the coolant in "what we call the kettle," which of course is carbon fiber.
legendary sound
That car is a beauty!
I do the same thing with my 1981 Chevy Chevette. She runs like a dream.
Well that seems quite straight forward.
man i would love to hear one of them in person.
That’s crazy about the air controlled valve system!
that v10 sound tho
With subtitles on when the engine revs it says [music] couldn't agree more
Not mentioned was pre-warming the tires.... it's not part of starting engine, but it's done now. Very common sight to see heater blankets over tires when car is in the pits or garage.
@docontra4921
Жыл бұрын
It's been done since the early 80s, and it's being phased out (there are already temp and time restrictions, which will continue to tighten until a blanket ban). Doubt anybody running the car outside a race weekend/proper test day would bother tho.
@SJR_Media_Group
Жыл бұрын
@@docontra4921 Thanks for input.
i used to work in an office which backed onto and F1 constructors site on a race week they would bring the cars into the carpark and fire them up after the final rebuild nobody could work for half an hour because of the noise and vibration