Someone needs to take this to court because this creates a second class citizen

@celticlofts

3 ай бұрын

No it doesn't. You cannot be stripped of your Irish citizenship if you are a natural born citizen of the country. The rules only apply to naturalized citizens. Any country can strip you of your naturalized citizenship if you don't follow their rules. The UK did it recently with Shamama Begum when she was convicted of being involved in terrorism. She appealed the government's decision and lost. The Irish courts have the same powers.

@RishabhMazumdar

3 ай бұрын

@@celticlofts She was a terrorist wife with same ideology she cannot be compared with normal naturalized citizens who are living in other countries maybe because of better job/pay or maybe other reasons. This law is discriminating. Why only naturalized citizens suffer just because they are living in other country then what is the use of getting citizenship if you have to apply yr after yr to renew it just like normal visas. Irish government should change this old 1956 bull**it rule it is of no use in today's globalized world.

@brianm592

2 ай бұрын

​@@celticloftsI'd love to lose my Fing American citizenship. I got FING students loan

@blueocean2510

Ай бұрын

Ireland will leave the EU all foreign people will be constripted.

@michaelgerardcondon8531

Ай бұрын

Irish citizenship is not a right by birth . They stopped that because of all the illegal aliens using there irish born child as a loop hole to stay in the country. Being born in Ireland does not make you necessarily irish

Does the form submission have to be done every year?

@celticlofts

2 ай бұрын

Read the document on the Irish foreign affairs website, it will give you all the information you need to know.

The only other country that has this is Mexico. I think if you live outside of Mexico as a naturalised citizen for over 5 years (i think) you can lose it. This does not apply to birthright citizenships, much like Ireland. It is unfair in the cases of both Ireland and Mexico

@kisinformation

3 ай бұрын

Agreed, it doesn't seem to be very logical, I can understand it with Residency in a way but citizenship should always be permanent unless the person wishes to renounce

@celticlofts

3 ай бұрын

@@kisinformation : Naturalized citizenship is a privilege, it's not a right. In the UK deprivation of citizenship can take place under Section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 and occurs when the applicant has committed fraud, false representations or concealment of a material fact. This can also occur if the Home Office deems it to be conducive to public good. This is what happened with Shamima Begum when she was stripped of her UK passport because of her links to terrorism.

Thank you so much! I have Irish citizenship as a second nationality. I had no idea about this. Thank you!

@kisinformation

3 ай бұрын

No problem!

Read all the comments. Lots of countries got the same idea for naturalised citizens, 10 yrs for Singapore, 5 yrs for Malaysia, 7 yrs for Malta. Literally every old world country got the same rule and grant minister the power to revoke the certificate of naturalisation if one is involved in terrorism which is very normal. What sets new world county at least english speaking countries like Canada USA New Zealand and Australia apart is that they allow naturalised citizens live overseas permanently without filling form to retain the citizenship and declare they only live abroad temporarily per year. The intention is those who come outside of out society should contribute for example pay the tax and work for rest of their life, we give our own citizens the right of keeping citizenship forever doesnt matter where they live bc theyre one of us. - Ireland is for irish. New world counties are founded by immigrants therefore such rule doesnt exist but strip citizenship to prevent from terrorist attacking is just part of national security concern. Lots of Asians i know would rather take british than irish even after brexit. People leave for a reason, if a country is so great with loads of opportunities then why people leave lol.

By naturalization =/= by descent, of course...

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What if I don't do this and don't have any other nationality because I had to give that up(India)?

@RishabhMazumdar

3 ай бұрын

You can become stateless.

@celticlofts

3 ай бұрын

Do you live in Ireland or in India?

@music-master

3 ай бұрын

@@celticlofts India

@celticlofts

3 ай бұрын

@@music-master : So you have to enter your own country as a tourist then?

@thatsthejobbb8587

2 ай бұрын

You're an ethnic Indian non national living as a tourist or illegal in India?😂😂😂 Wtf. People need to just stop passport shopping!

The government does not act on this. It has actually set up companies to help you get an Irish passport. But I would fill in the forms. In the future, an Irish passport will not be as good because all the undocumented immigrants will get one free.

@celticlofts

2 ай бұрын

How in the world will undocumented immigrants get one for free? You evidently don't have a clue as to how the system works do you?

At this point, for non-Irish citizens of Ireland, revocation should be changed to be the same as for a tax domicile (183 days) and should be automatic.

@celticlofts

2 ай бұрын

I would further propose that legislation be enacted stipulating that a probationary period of seven years must be completed in order to fulfill the requirements of citizenship. Those requirements include no serious criminal convictions. Failure to comply with the legislation would result in an automatic deportation order being issued on completion of a prison sentence. This legislation would also apply to any legal resident of the state. This would keep the foreign criminal element out of the country.

@user-um7tw6kx4r6

2 ай бұрын

@@celticlofts You are very particular considering that Irish people entered many peoples' countries when Ireland was in difficulty. If other countries had imposed the kinds of rules you want, many Irish people would've been doomed to starvation.

The bigger risk is in not renewing your Irish passport when it's due to be renewed. That could raise a red flag and might attract attention. Using your passport and keeping it up to date is the best way of not drawing attention to yourself.

The inconvenience associated with the declaration of retention is a lot less hassle than losing your citizenship and not being able to live, work or retire in the EU, especially if you're from the UK. This declaration only applies to naturalized citizens and does not impact those who are Irish born citizens. Irish born citizens can never lose their Irish citizenship. I actually think it's a good idea. Your passport is not a trophy, it is meant to be used, and if you don't use it you lose it. Remember having naturalized citizenship of any country is a privilege and the rules associated with retaining it should be respected.

@kisinformation

3 ай бұрын

Agreed, it's not the end of the world, but I still think it's a little weird.

@celticlofts

3 ай бұрын

@@kisinformation : I doubt it's enforced.

@celticlofts

2 ай бұрын

Actually every country should do the same. Your passport should not be used simply as a passport of convenience. To be granted naturalized citizenship of any country is a huge privilege and should not be taken lightly. In fact what's the point of gaining citizenship of a country you don't want to live in, or indeed contribute anything to? Yeah I think the Irish have the right idea.

@thatsthejobbb8587

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely!!! Citizenship needs to stop being sold so cheaply!

@celticlofts

2 ай бұрын

It's not there for general usage. What it does is provides the government with a legal basis to strip you of your Irish citizenship if they deem it necessary, or prudent, to do so. That being said I would still follow the rules set out by the department of foreign affairs. You certainly don't want to ignore them is what I'm saying.

This guy does not know what he is talking about . Irish citizens thru fbr live all over the e.u. and have never has any issues or will in keeping there passports You dont have to have ever stepped foot in Ireland. You will never lose your irish citizenship or need to sign a declaration of retention. This coming from an irish passport holder who got his citizenship in the 1980s . Who knows irish passport law the back of his hand

@Januaryschild

Ай бұрын

I think he's only talking about Irish citizenship by naturalization, not through being born in Ireland nor FBR.

@michaelgerardcondon8531

14 күн бұрын

@emptybuddha5308 it is not the law regarding citizenship by blood/ decent # FBR. its is the law regarding non indigenous irish citizenship/ naturalisation