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@danjones5047

3 ай бұрын

Why is there a metallica song in the nu metal video in the title 🤣🤣

@blahaj___

3 ай бұрын

kinda gross

@blahaj___

3 ай бұрын

nothing but garbage

@ch-yq5yn

3 ай бұрын

Music elitism is so ridiculous.

@robtallent8308

3 ай бұрын

Sucks that Deftones briefly got stuck in the nu metal casket....and why is new spelled nu? Lol

Fred was a marketing genius. Not only did he own the rights to Limp Bizkit merch but he also owned the rights to “Fuck Limp Bizkit” which were sold on hats and shirts in the 2000s so he made money off both his fans as well as his haters.

@theTYTAN3

3 ай бұрын

Do you have a source for this info?

@danzigrulze5211

3 ай бұрын

@@theTYTAN3 Your mom knows all about it, I asked her last night.

@romeoslover817

3 ай бұрын

oh, like Gene Simmons of Kiss. Just ask him.

@drumbottle

3 ай бұрын

​@@theTYTAN3Elvis did it too. It's nothing new pal

@lordtrigon1733

3 ай бұрын

His stipulation for Limp Bizkit's music being used in a video game (he has to be a playable character) is my favourite. Chad businessman.

looks like finn was low on rent again

@ThePunkRockMBA

3 ай бұрын

Correction: nu-metal pays my MORTGAGE, not my rent ☺️

@ApplzAndHoney

3 ай бұрын

@@ThePunkRockMBA ah yes, my apologies

@EastyyBlogspot

3 ай бұрын

I thought u did it all for the nookie ​@ThePunkRockMBA

@User-54631

3 ай бұрын

Have been a homeowner for 10+ years It’s still rent, your landlord is just the bank vs a person. Both have the ability to send a sheriff to your home to kick in you out if you don’t pay.

@Vermonster23

3 ай бұрын

@@ThePunkRockMBA your hustle is appreciated

If it wasn't for nu-metal, I wouldn't have gotten into rock and metal in general at all.

@supremelordoftheuniverse5449

Ай бұрын

Same here. It’s still not metal

@Southparkcl1ps

Ай бұрын

Same

@7AgesofEDM

2 күн бұрын

AJ Mack - I listed to two genres mainly when I was young 1P) Nu-mental 2) Trance.

Just wanted to give a shoutout to Max Cavalera from Sepultura/Soulfly here, he came from the old school thrash metal scene but embraced new metal instead of shunning it.

@beenalive1736

2 ай бұрын

He hasn't released anything nu metal related since 2004 but he says the next Soulfly album is gonna hit back at that sound. So he embraced this sound twice, let's see how it goes 🔥

@supremelordoftheuniverse5449

Ай бұрын

Everybody makes mistakes. But he came around and is now touring with Igor playing their first 2 albums

@billymccormick2549

Ай бұрын

Yeah but Soulfly were real metal man. Max does rule!!! He embraced it all till Killswitch Engage! lol I was reading an interview and he’s old like me and unfortunately we used to use the word gay as a negative adjective and he was saying about Killswitch “I was like ‘what the fuck is that? That’s gay!” Bahahahaha. The damned editor wouldn’t take it out. We are from a different time it’s not right but when you say a word so often for so many years it slips out! It sucks but it does! Anyways poor guy and I REALLY think after this Farewell tour, you’ll see Max and Igor in a Sepultura reunion. I have zero doubt.

@matthieurenaudet8960

Ай бұрын

Yeah and he shouldn't, cause Sepultura was a much better thrash tyan nu metal band and Soulfy just sucks. Personal opinion ;-)

@Lamerboy89

Ай бұрын

@@matthieurenaudet8960 Are talking about early Soulfly or their later stuff? They changed to a more thrash/groove oriented sound at around 2005 (the song frontlines is a great example of that, it sounds like early Sepultura).

People say nu-metal was rejected by the old guard (which is true) but nu-metal bands didn't claim to be metal either. They called themselves Alternative bands.

@pippishortstocking7913

2 ай бұрын

Yep. And alternative stations of the times played them on air. Regular stations didn't. Gen Z weren't around yet so they don't have a basis to make claims.

@HollyMolly337

Ай бұрын

Yes! I grew up believing that the heaviest things I’ve listened to were “alternative” bands. And now all of a sudden they are “metal”.

@RichardRemer

Ай бұрын

That's the crux of the "hate" I think. They simply were not metal bands. No reason to draw the ire of the metal community by pretending they were. If black guys had made this music, it would have been seen as aggressive hip hop with guitars. Too little focus on melody or harmony to fit in with much contemporary traditional thrash or glam metal. This shit probably owes more to punk than metal.

@DiscoDashco

Ай бұрын

I would argue that’s only because “Alternative” Rock was essentially co opted by the Grunge scene at the time. If “Nu-Metal” is a term that was retroactively chosen to describe every band mentioned in this video, there’s a reason for it - it just fits. In the 2000s, when this stuff dominated air time on radio stations, no one ever called it Alternative, but gave it mocking nicknames like “Generic Rage” or “Pop Metal”.

@-jank-willson

22 күн бұрын

@@RichardRemer "nü-metal" is a branch of punk. A better title for it would be something like "altcore" or "punk-hop" or something...

The idea that Korn isn’t technical is completely insane

@myronianny

3 ай бұрын

exactly ahah and most of the thrash bands (excluding some specific cases like testament, S.T, megadeth etc who had great guitarists) were totally crap technically. Guitar heroes from the 80's all come from the hair scene for a reason.

@travisguide4516

2 ай бұрын

Yeah monkey brought 7 string guitar into style again

@hectorrivera4005

2 ай бұрын

And Fieldy use his bass technically as a percussion instrument, yeah they are not technical insane

@alexeypolevoybass

2 ай бұрын

​@@myroniannyTestament are really good players, Megadeth would never stand a chance against most school bands if it wasn't for Poland and Friedman. Korn, though, are just as weak. Their music is simple enough to allow for truly seamless timing cut-and-align, that's why their studio recs sound as if they can pull it off. You open a real live show with camera audio, and Korn's “technicality” vanishes in a glance, they sound like they have no idea what drums are and why you must lock in with them perfectly (that is, in reality, play a tiny variable bit later than the drums, nothing of MIDI fashion here).

@evasl

2 ай бұрын

​@@hectorrivera4005it's slapping...like in jazz.

I absolutely love when you bring it back to a "can't we all get along", "we all love music, right" sort of lesson! Especially, when it involves interesting psychological concepts. That's why I love the channel. Awesome video!

@mad4dam

2 ай бұрын

IKR

@leosharman8630

12 күн бұрын

Except Finn Mcunty hates everything European, so it’s not really true.

The most trippy part of this is I just finished writing an essay on populist rhetoric and one of the devices we were discussing was “in-group vs out-group”, and it just tripped me out to hear you mention it in this video!

@rbruch98

3 ай бұрын

Somehow, this seems eerily-relevant to the Aaron Bushnell Embassy incident... What a time to be alive

@WinterandNoodle

3 ай бұрын

@@rbruch98 What is that supposed to mean? Are you seriously pulling a lame centrist view on the conflict lmao

@georgejackson4424

3 ай бұрын

@@WinterandNoodle centrists are better described "status quo extremists who are scared of change" tbh

@billbadson7598

2 ай бұрын

I hope the essay involved an in-depth analysis about how ingrained power structures (inside and outside of government) work to put opposition views into out-groups that they predefine to rob them off legitimacy.

Temu and Numetal. Finn needed that Costco run covered.

@dogbert7193

3 ай бұрын

Nothing says punk rock like forced-labor sponsorships 🤘

@ADG9289

3 ай бұрын

He's better than a temu promotion. I was disappointed to see that.

@dukejohn5608

3 ай бұрын

Well tbh, Nu-metal kinda is metal from Temu, so it fits

@jasonblanke321

3 ай бұрын

Fr temu is worse than wish like wtf

@VanBurenPhilips

3 ай бұрын

​@@dukejohn5608 'mu metal

A friend of mine once said when I expressed surprise that Korn was still around "there will always be 9th graders."

@lloydster9000

3 ай бұрын

😂😂 Holy shit, that’s funny.

@smokinnplatez1426

3 ай бұрын

Well, people who listen to the same music as they did in high school will always be 9th graders

@microchrist6122

3 ай бұрын

He gets older , they stay the same age… keep an eye on your friend 😅

@shamimmohamed2843

3 ай бұрын

​@@smokinnplatez1426woah.....what do u listen to?

@codexmachina1358

3 ай бұрын

@@microchrist6122 it was a girl and she passed away 2 years ago during covid so even if she was a threat it's gone now. But she was just as surprised as me

The part that made this video great for me was the last bit about outgroup bias, glad that you analyze these things from a psychology and we get to learn something new. Thanks a bunch!

@georgejackson4424

3 ай бұрын

...because only metalheads have outgroup bias, right?

I'll be 39 this year, nu-metal was the soundtrack to my teen angst into adulthood. I remember it falling out of favor and I had no idea that it resurged in popularity until I watched this. Your videos always give me the best nostalgia 💜

@jonathanayres6005

3 ай бұрын

Same

@mallyb132

2 ай бұрын

Middle school days

@travisreifke4356

Ай бұрын

Same. I'm turning 39 in May. Nu metal is extremely nostalgic for me. Love it or hate it.

@billie-J

Ай бұрын

already 38 going 39 bro,nu metal was my go to with my brother during early 2000s

Yes! Temu! Nothings more punk rock than forced labor in a genocide! Hell yes! This is what the Dead Kennedys made music for!

@WinterandNoodle

3 ай бұрын

Wait till you hear about Nestle, a more accepted company that does the same thing that we are putting a side-eye :)

@hXcjogurt

3 ай бұрын

Had the same feeling

@colindavidson6483

3 ай бұрын

😂 thank you

@theecharmingbilly

3 ай бұрын

I'm sure The Dead Kennedys never got something out of it either.

@walk04

2 ай бұрын

Did you post this from your iphone?

I was never ashamed of a fact that I grew up listening to Limp Bizkit in parallel with Led Zeppelin. Sometimes I would need a whole lotta love and sometimes I would just break stuff.

Sponsored by Beijing.

Nu-Metal has and always will be my favorite Metal Sub-Genre. S.O.A.D, KoRn, Slipknot, Deftones, Drowning Pool(Sinner album especially), Staind(atleast early on), Adema(with Mark Chavez), Static-X, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Mudvayne, P.O.D and atleast a dozen more are all some of my favorite artists ever, and always will be. It has energy, passion, very diverse sounds(seeing almost none of those bands I listed sound exactly like one another), the fact they went against the meta of what Metal was at the time deserves it's own credit for sure, and just has crazy levels of grit. Cool video dude. 🙏🔥

@jojo-xh5ik

Ай бұрын

oh damn I forgot about Adema

@1ViivviiX1

Ай бұрын

@@jojo-xh5ik Yeah, were always one of my favorites. Maybe not as successful as Mark Chavez's half brother Jonathan Davis and KoRn was, and sadly left after the first 2 (3 if counting the Immortal EP) projects and after that I stopped following their new releases as the new singer wasn't my thing. Would recommend checking out the first few projects of theirs again, they still hold up as well. 🙏🔥

Bruh not the Temu sponsorship please. Look into their sketchy CCP affiliation.

@pensareldibujo

3 ай бұрын

Hahahaha

@flachmann161

3 ай бұрын

That's the smallest problem with temu

@ghandisnukes4358

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, the type of shit that is currently going on in Xinjiang internment camps is a pretty decent reason not to work with them no matter their offer

Finn really doesn’t discriminate against any paid sponsors. Didn’t expect to see Temu on here lol

@ziwuri

3 ай бұрын

everyone has a price... no hate though, I would too

@PM-vv3uc

3 ай бұрын

TEMU is really, really bad

@iamcase1245

3 ай бұрын

Finn isn't a rock/punk writer or professional. His past and most of his career was in marketing. The dude is an advertiser that's what he does. That's why he does so much shit you'd never see a real punk doing. Also notice how little he talks about punk? All he talks about is Emo, Nu-metal, pop, trap/rap and never punk.

@johncombs6369

3 ай бұрын

I love supporting the Chinese Communist Party through American Capitalism

@mediaikonz

3 ай бұрын

Ok, but that nose trimmer.

I think Pantera was overlooked here as their groovy style of metal went against many thrash conventions and surely had a huge impact of later Nu Metal bands.

Punk Rock sponsored by Temu. Stop watching.

“Conformity packaged as rebellion” - was that a reference to the Anthrax song “Packaged Rebellion”?

@stevenhenry5267

2 ай бұрын

Perfect description of nu metal. Lazy, manufactured angst.

My friends and I all loved nu metal when it came out. We didn't know what it was called but we felt it, and it was amazing.

@TheKcXiV

3 ай бұрын

SAME, i heard korn like late 93 early 94. a Buddy of mine somehow got a fucking demo tape or someshit they had. Then i remember when the album dropped we all got it. I dont know people who hated it, it blew the fuck up, sold more then any other metal band out there. Started selling out arena's. Shit was nuts. Im sure hardcore thrash metal heads didnt like it, but for quite a few years, they were huge.

@Monkeysfist221

3 ай бұрын

Wow so deep.

@laurakeightley9882

3 ай бұрын

Same ❤❤

@Monkeysfist221

3 ай бұрын

@@laurakeightley9882 Gross

@mallyb132

2 ай бұрын

Same here

Maaaan, I feel like so much of certain genres like rock, country, and rap/hip hop have the most strictest gatekeepers and start the biggest hate trains. So many people are so loud about their hatred for nu-metal but when you look at the amount of streams and views and likes to a lot of the songs that are considered by in large as “cringe”, the numbers just aren’t adding up. I’m calling BS on most of those people hopping on the hate bandwagon.

i really like your videos, especially from this channel. i'm a teen girl and i started getting into metal like 6 months ago and one thing i noticed is how much people love to hate things. it's like the moment a metalhead realizes they don't like a mainstream band, they think they must be sooo cool and unique because of it when it's just as shallow as liking a band bc it's popular.

@pippishortstocking7913

2 ай бұрын

🙌 THIS!!!

I feel like the genre of Nu Metal is so open to interpretation that it makes it hard to put it in a box and judge people who listen to it. For instance, Mudvayne, Linkin Park, and Rob Zombie sound so completely different, but they're all in the same genre. Meanwhile, other genres and sub-genres of music have a very set sound.

@pelicanspalacex8861

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. All of the bands from that era basically have their own sound and a unique one at that. Incubus sounds nothing like SOAD. Mudvayne sounds nothing like Limp Bizkit but they all got lumped in together due to the era. Most creative time in the history of metal. All of the top tier bands especially have totally unique sounds.

@autonomous8108

3 ай бұрын

@@pelicanspalacex8861 100%

@balthezaar100

3 ай бұрын

Grunge had a similar thing with its sound. Almost no 2 bands had much sound in common. It was more a general feeling and message. Ironic that a genre like metal, which was supposed to be about freedom and expression, became so homogenized that anything out of the norm was bad. Something something you were the chosen one, you were supposed to stick it to the man, not join him.

@marioncarbonell6047

3 ай бұрын

@@balthezaar100it’s also ironic how metalheads always claim that metal is all about the music and not the image, yet, metalheads started losing their minds back in the 90s when they saw alternative and nu metal bands rocking short hair, lose fit urban casual clothing, rather than having long hair and wearing tight spandex leather pants, till this day, it’s still like that, if you wear any casual clothing like American eagle instead of a denim jacket with 1,000 band patches that you don’t even listen to on them, you’re a “poser”. I thought metal was alll about breaking rules and going against the norm? Most alternative subcultures are like that, punk, goth, crust punk, they’re all about non-conformity “freedom of expression” until you actually want to act different from the rest. They’re basically dogmatic systems at this point and have nothing to do with conformity.

@georgejackson4424

3 ай бұрын

@@marioncarbonell6047 tbh that's no more different than how rap fans were in the '90s, they were even more unaccepting of different people who weren't dressed exactly like them with a ballcap/sports jersey, baggy jeans/trendy shoe brands, but everyone conveniently forgets that just because they just wanted metal to become more wigger and less metal, which makes about as much sense as getting upset that rap doesn't sound more metal than it does by now. If you want to REALLY stick it to a group's status quo of standards, try wearing a "Lone Wolf, No Club" clothing item in a biker bar around some 1%er outlaw bikers for all their damn cultural gatekeeping crap lol every group has standards, and you can get offended if you weren't accepted but you're just pissing in the wind hahaha

One thing everyone misses when talking about what NuMetal meant to us all.... it took away the "unachievability" of making great music unless everyone was a Steve Vai. It turned off great musicians who had great music in their head, but didnt have the same guitar skills as Kirk or Wylde. Thats what was so life changing for me because i had all this music in my head that I wanted to write but knew my music wouldnt sell because of the lack of skill. Once Korn broke, all of a sudden all my detuned music finally had somewhere to call home. It also helped to open up other musicians to join me in writing because they no longer felt like they were wasting their time working on music that wouldnt sell. They saw an opportunity for them to step up and show off because guitars no longer led everything all the time. You had a chance to do really nice groove building instead of having to use blastbeats for an hour straight.

@adamkahn8645

3 ай бұрын

i did get pissed at metalcore coming in and burning the world out on "pop turned punk" covers because that was one of my favorite things to do.

@georgejackson4424

3 ай бұрын

dude crossover thrash (as opposed to regular thrash metal) was already doing that it in the '80s, see Storrmtroopers of Death (almost no guitar solos) and Method Of Destruction. Also Prong was already doing those same swaggering groove metal riffs that Korn was doing back in '92 lol

@RevShifty

2 ай бұрын

That was the only thing I ever really appreciated about the whole scene, personally. The music definitely wasn't my thing; I grew up in the Northeast US punk and hardcore scene, which was already entering its prime beatdown phase at the time, which always seemed like the authentic version of what nu metal was trying really hard to pretend to be. But I never cared much for metal in the first place, because so much if it requires so much technicality and skill that it immediately discounts most of its audience. What really made me fall in love with punk and hardcore at such a young age was how approachable the scenes were, how little there was separating the bands from the fans. Hell, getting to open at least a few shows for the band that first got you into the scene was almost like a rite of passage at a certain point. So while I personally found nu metal corny as hell, way too polished/overly produced, and just a really cheap knock off of the music I was already listening to, I never didn't see the appeal for certain folks. And wouldn't judge people for their taste in music, period. That's a really shitty thing to do to people just trying to enjoy themselves. Nu metal definitely wasn't for me, but neither were dozens of other genres blowing up around that same time. And I still had friends into most every one of those, too.

@danteshollowedgrounds

2 ай бұрын

Idk the first part can still be a thing for many but the other one just seems like a personal issue.

@kortniechanGaming

2 ай бұрын

my favorite quote from peter steele " dont mistake lack of tallent for genius"

Dude, such a good vid. The one thing I've really appreciated about this channel (and your eponymous) is recognizing gatekeeping tendencies. Even in my 30's I was having stupid reactions/opinions to different music, and vids such as this have helped put perspective and made me recognize those foolish, inane barriers. Keep it up!

TEMU is not punk rock wtf. I know you gotta pay the bills, but c'mon man.

Holy shit Finn thank god. It’s been a whole day since I’ve heard you talk about nu metal. I was about to break stuff

@MattSloanVMMP

3 ай бұрын

Hey now you don’t wanna be the first one to complain

@caiseejc

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂 This just in - some people hate a genre of music! (Though of course Finn would say “everyone” instead of some people.”)

@jonathanayres6005

3 ай бұрын

😂

@vedrangavric4278

2 ай бұрын

nice one

I remember as a teen thinking that there was always a tinge of racism and classism behind some of the more extreme Nu Metal hatred. lol I remember seeing this UK blogger calling Mike Shinoda a nu-metal n-word (hard R). I wasn't surprised though, bc it was a UK blogger...

@MaxRamos8

3 ай бұрын

Agree and to an extent me and my Hispanic friends all got into nu metal

@ChristopherPiper-iu3ks

3 ай бұрын

Lol. What the hell Mike Shinoda is half white and half Japanese.

@avecnayo

3 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherPiper-iu3ks lol it was a UK based blogger.

I dare every music fan, music lover, and even every metalhead (old-schoool, nu-school, whatever), watch Korn's performance at Woodstock 99 and not be amazed. I watched it a while back. They played an absolutely flawless set in front of 200,000 plus people. From what I gather, the crowd was so large, you could see the soundwaves travel through the ocean of people as they jumped up and down to the beat of the music. I don't know about the rest of Nu-Metal but that performance alone is one for the history books. And in many ways it says a lot about how well the music these bands made connected to the youth at the time, and why it became so popular not only in the US but internationally. It speaks truth about how disenfranchised our generation felt back then.

@MadAlhazred

2 ай бұрын

I can be impressed by their performance but that doesn't mean I think the material is any good.

I remember in highschool when that first Korn album came out it was huge in Riverside CA. Everybody was listening to it. Korn, ICP, Deftones, Marilyn Manson that was the sound of the Inland empire in the late 90's.

@AtZero138

2 ай бұрын

What's up.. from Orange County... I never got into the music...but I could recognize it for being New.. A new style.. unique to itself... Like what you want... I also called this era and bands.. Monster Truck Metal...

42, loved Nu-metal since day one. The haters ended up being the actual losers, so win for us.

@bmcshane80

3 күн бұрын

44, can confirm

Hey, I stayed at home and listened to the Smiths. But I also dug Rage and Deftones. Still do. Plus, I grew up to become a journalist. Tastes vary in everything. Great vid Finn!

@stevenhenry5267

2 ай бұрын

Smiths🤮

The funniest thing about this video title is that Metallica's "Sad But True" is actually a pre-cursor to Nu-Metal. It's based around a Groove-Metal riff, and was massively popular. I think it was a real gamechanger that set the stage for the "Groove obsession" of the 90s with a lot of bands moving to either Groove Metal or Nu-Metal.

@laurisaarinen1126

3 ай бұрын

Pantera also played a huge part in that, but i guess Metallica did that to a more mainstream degree

@georgejackson4424

3 ай бұрын

@@laurisaarinen1126 dude metallica just slowed down what they were already playing on And Justice for All and made it simpler, Pantera was more of the true groove metal but tbh even technical thrash metal bands like Coroner went the groove metal route by '93 because more of the faster bands got sick of playing fast all the time and started to experiment more with groove along with other thrash bands like Overkill, also in '93 Metal itself had doom metal coming out in the '80s playing slow, it's just that doom metal kind of lost out somewhat to thrash because everything was getting faster and faster and moshpit culture was getting popular in the era of Jolt Cola whereas doom metal was just hearkening back to Black Sabbath and culturewise had nothing new to offer except more of the same old headbanging, even if the doom riffs were killer Alternative metal and bands like circa-'92-and-onward-era Prong whom Jonathan Davis of Korn had mentioned as an influence were more instrumental in creating the nu-metal sound, especially the more swaggery riffs that Korn played

@StirbMensch

2 ай бұрын

By that logic, Metallica's "The Thing That Should Not Be" (also D-Standard tuning, also slow tempo) is a precursor to nu-metal. Which is completely bollocks.

It seems to me that the inflluences and ideas of Faith No More are completely underrated.

I loved nu metal when it started. Korn, Deftones, Sevendust, Coal Chamber, etc. But just like all genres, at some point the record labels started manufacturing copycats of these bands and they killed the genre. It happened with grunge and it happened with pop punk and so forth.

We still have gatekeeping and elitism to this day, but I'm glad for these points in this video.

It's interesting that Slayer did eventually take on the influence of nu metal. You can first hear it on Diabolus In Musica, where it's kind of unconvincingly welded onto their own style, but by the following album, God Hates Us All, the influence had been incorporated organically (e.g. Threshold, and the chorus of God Send Death).

Weird. Everyone that I knew that liked rock, loved Nu Metal. South African here. Big fans. Still playing it now. It's definitely the groove, the recall ability on the song. A solo is difficult to recall.

I also remember the subgenre of Latin-tinged nu metal. Puya, Ill Nino, Forty Below Summer and of course P.O.D. and Soulfly on occasion. While I didn't really like those bands per se, I was a fan of blending jazz elements with metal so I found some of their stuff interesting. A for effort.

@DerekWhite-yx2ce

3 ай бұрын

Love 40 Below Summer

@stephsteph4503

2 ай бұрын

Ill Niño!

@DerekWhite-yx2ce

2 ай бұрын

@@stephsteph4503 oh yeah 💯

That last comparison to people judging everyone based on minor differences really hit home today. Today at work our entire crew discovered we judged people on 3 criteria. You either hold a culinary degree (good/bad), you are in your position based on experience (good), or you have a culinary certificate (fucking awful).

As of 2021, Korn had sold more than 40 million records worldwide. Limp Bizkit has sold an estimated 40 million albums worldwide. As of 2019, Slipknot has sold 30 million units of records worldwide. Ye, looks like it.

Yup I remember in high school, there was a huge divide between the "purist" who listened to the "big 4" ( metallica, megadeath, anthrax and slayer) and us "white trash kids" who listened to deftones, korn, limp bizcuit, static x etc etc. I mean we also listened to the big 4 as well and honestly I love all of it, but many fierce debates and minor fist fights were the norm from the mid 90s and early 00s at my school over this shit lol.

Temu ad? So hardcore dude. We should definitely listen to this guy about rock.

I was very shocked when that Woodstock '99 documentary mentioned how the frat bro types all liked Korn. Where I'm from it didn't seem like the frat types like Korn, I always thought Nu Metal was mostly kind of outsider kids who didn't fit in with the frat bros and in some case some the "white trash" types. I personally thought the genre went stale around 04/05 and started gravitating more towards heavier music. I rekindled my love of thrash which I grew up listening to as a kid a bit before Nu Metal came out. I've tried relistening to Nu Metal and while I still like a small amount of it like Deftones, SOAD pre Hypnotize, and Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park I find most of it pretty bad by today's standards in the era where we saw New Wave American heavy metal and then a lot of Crossover bands starting to become the face of underground heavy metal.

@aatndrmoskavfav9712

2 ай бұрын

Same here in Norway. Pure fans were outcasts / nomads / independents who had their own distinct identity. With that said I don’t think I’ve ever recalled any beef between any “camps”. I was more into thrash/death/black at that time but we were hanging out with people whom favoured all kinds of genres. Regardless if it was emo, prog, brutal, heavy or punk.

Such a necessary video, Fynn! Here in Brazil at the time they would call anyone who listened to Nu Metal as Emo, because most people simply didn't have the slightiest idea of what Emo and Nu Metal was.

I have always loved and still do love nu metal and all the other alternative metal genre.. In the mid to the end of 90's thise band sounded like they are from future, super cinematic and deeper that anything pre-grundge era..

at 42 i feel legally obligated to comment i was around during nu metal. it was honestly kind of fun time but yes also i was a teen so the obvious connections there, i played sports in hs in the 90s and had kids of different races and backgrounds on my teams and i can assure you in the weight room when a limp bizkit or korn song came on everyone in there was hype

I was the opposite. I started with Korn, Incubus, Staind, and especially the Deftones and by 2000 abandoned it for the Velvet Underground and artists like Ziggy Stardust. After three years the formula that Korn invented became so mass produced by other second tier bands that even Korn sounded like an imitation of itself. I remember reading somewhere that Chino said the guys from Korn would always ask the Deftones to go on tour with them. And they’d always refuse, which would piss Korn off. But the Deftones said they hated the Nu-Metal label and felt it was a fad. They didn’t want to be lumped in with that scene. They didn’t see themselves as doing the same thing. They were definitely smart to distance themselves from it.

One of your best recent video, I like the approach!

I cant get down with Nu Metal anymore, but my hat will forever be off to Korn's self titled release. I still want a set of bagpipes.

I grew up in Wyoming and was introduced to nu metal when my dad ordered some country cds from a magazine and they sent some free cds, Korn best hits vol 1, system of a down mesmerize, and stonesour

Great video! Numetal will always have a place in my heart. It helped me get through being a sad and angry teen. I really like the ending expectations.

Nu Metal was my childhood genre! Hate them or love them, admit that they're have been popular then. 😊

Very interesting. Personally, I felt at that time that nu-metal clothing and style were also close to the skate culture that I liked, but your analysis pretty much nails it.

I was there for the first time round, I was (and still am) so into most of the bands from the time. I'm happy to see kids walking around these days in Deftones shirts etc.

The final 4 minutes of this video, are why I’m subscribed and look forward to uploads. Your analysis always zooms out in such beautiful ways. Thank you man.

Dude, great video. Great analysis.

TEMU, really? TEMU is like ordering Wish on Wish.

When nu-metal started blowing up, the reason I never really got into it was because they decided to make Fred Durst and Limp Bizkit the face of nu-metal. Manufactured commercialized pre-packaged teenage angst and permission to behave like a lout. And I think that's where a lot of the contemporary criticisms of nu-metal came from. Keep in mind that later breakout acts like Linkin Park didn't come around until 2000, so at the time, "nu-metal", for the media and the masses, was Korn and Limp Bizkit, but mostly Limp Bizkit, and namely, Fred Durst. Also, the term "nu-metal" wasn't really used much then. They were mostly referred to as just "rap-rock", and the assumption was that it was mostly guys rapping over chunky guitar riffs, which at the time, wasn't really appealing to anyone over the age of 18 (but it was *super* appealing to anyone 18 and under). Unlike Run DMC/Aerosmith or Public Enemy/Anthrax, these weren't collaborations of established and highly talented artists from two different genres of music, they were just a mush of mediocre talent creating a whole new genre.

really good video as always, thanks so much!

Mid 90s teen here, and nu metal was, and still is, amazing. A lot of us grew up with thrash metal, hair metal, and grunge. While those were still around in the 90s, it's felt like we didn't have our own sound until nu metal. 16 year old me was all over KoRn, Orgy, Limp Bizkit, Deftones and so on. A lot of it still holds up today, and I still regularly listen to these bands. Some are even still really consistent with the quality of music they put out. Deftones being a stand out. So there's definitely a longevity to the genre that might've not been expected. It made history and changed metal and that to me is just proof of how important it really was.

I saw Korn open for Danzig, had no clue who they were. It blew me away. Threw their second album out the window. SOAD I like still.

@terremoto6663

2 ай бұрын

I loved Korn up to Untouchables. After that something changed with their music

0:42 Nu Metal was hated by metalheads and music "critics". So, I think Emo is the most hated genre of music ever, 'cause it was hated by pretty much everybody, whether you were a rock fan or not. Any fan of any other subgenre of rock hated Emo, and fans of other genres of music that had nothing to do with rock also hated Emo. And since I was really into both Nu Metal and Emo back then, I could feel the hatred in both of them. The hatred towards Nu Metal involved racism, while the hatred towards Emo involved homophobia. I know people who got beaten up for listening to Emo music, but I don't know anyone that was physically hurt for liking Nu Metal.

@steveschu

3 ай бұрын

Emo is the worst. I agree

@BlackHatAndy

3 ай бұрын

That hatred for emo had nothing to do with homophobia. Emo was just seen as "for pussies" and Nu Metal was "harder". And, when comparing Dashboard Confessional and The Used to Korn and Static X, you can see why.

@Vinicius_Berger

3 ай бұрын

@@BlackHatAndy It had *everything* to do with homophobia. You have no idea how many times me, my friends and people that I didn't even know got called f@gg0t and stuff like that. If you Google search "emo and homophobia" you'll find several people talking about that, so it wasn't just a regional thing, unfortunately.

@BlackHatAndy

3 ай бұрын

@@Vinicius_Berger I mean, we all called people that and it had nothing to do with actually being gay though. It was just an insult like any other.

@iamcase1245

3 ай бұрын

Metal has it's issues with racism but so did the Emo crowd.

Zakk Wylde said they tried to put him in a mold like Limp Bizkit to make him more Hip Hop, I'm glad he stood his ground and disregarded it but he's still a victim of change just like everyone else. He went from bell bottoms Aquanet hair and cowboy boots to looking like an Outlaw Biker.

I had no older siblings or cousins to introduce me to music. After buying pop records and what was on TRL, when I turned 12 and Limp Bizkit came out they were for sure almost the ONLY band I listened to. For 2 years, until Blink came out and Limewire searches of the bands they thanked in their liner notes changed my life.

Ben Folds "Rockin' the Suburbs" desperately needed to be referenced in this video. 😂

@homelander7742

3 ай бұрын

"Y'all don't know what it's like! Being male, middle class, and white!"

As a black kid growing up I felt that a big reason for all the hate was definitely race motivated. All the hate for the "rap-core" and for the "baggie jeans" was just code for "let's make metal white again". Nu-metal's appeal for me was precisely how diverse it was. While "real metal" was just white dudes with long hair that didn't want people like me at their shows, nu-metal had people of color, latinos, asian, women, straight, queer. Also the Nu-metal sound was my biggest gateway into so many different genres. Korn alone was a mix of goth frontman, funky bass, industrial guitars, hiphop drums and alt rock lyrics (most of early Korn and nu-metal is songs about being bullied by frat dudes).

@thebikewatcher9819

3 ай бұрын

How many "real" metal concerts have you gone to? I have never heard anyone or see anyone treat someone poorly, because of their race, at the countless concerts I've been to. Your race baiting and stereotyping is sad.

@richardlandrum1966

2 ай бұрын

As one of the people against nu metal (in the 90s), my issue was exactly the opposite. In 1992: Rage Against the Machine hit the scene with a metal/funk/hip-hop fusion, whose lyrics were calling out systemic racism, police brutality, wealth inequality, and imperialism. As a highly politically charged band, they only released an album every 4 years....this left a void in the market, and over the decade, dozens (if not hundreds) of bands labeled "nu-metal" flooded that void with a similar sound, but no real message beyond "I'm sad and angry" Socially attuned fans of Rage saw this as a step back, and a ploy by record labels to wash RATM out of the spotlight. (They would later have their whole discography banned from public radio after 2001)

@bystanderbutch3509

2 ай бұрын

As a black kid. Yup, has to become a race issue.

This is an incredibly well, put together video. Cheers Finn

Great video! (90's kid here) The part were you explained the psychology behind everything was top notch, thank you! Also I was told to listen to the ''guitar solos'', not electronic sh@t. Maybe I was that elitist kid back then, but cmon, grow up. (Zakk Wylde was so honest and respectful and understanding) Music has endless possibilities.

How about Sepultura doing a 90 degree turn and starting numetal with bloody roots?

Another insightful banger from TPRMBA! Keep up the dope videos!

Keep the music conversations coming man! I may not agree with everyone on here or every thing you say. But thats the beauty of music and having a discussion. Keep it going man!

@TreyyDaMenaceFan

3 ай бұрын

ok man

Pretty good vid. I'm an old school metalhead. I never really got into nu-metal, but I never hated it either. To me it was just another of the many branches on the metal tree.

Brilliant. Thank you for high quality content like this.

A great article, thank you.

I'm not sure where you are from but in Chicago, we loved when Korn broke and the following bands like Deftones and even Limp Bizkit came out. We were used to hearing new musical styles pop up and this was just another new thing for us to enjoy.

Hell yeah! I’m cracking up you mentioned Youngstown, Ohio 🤘

As a 34 year old that went through his formative years in the late 90s and early 00s Nu Metal plus heavy doses of Grunge and post Grunge was my music life... I think it really connected with a lot of people from all walks of life from urban to suburban and rural who just wanted music that sounded cool and aggresive ... Me and a lot of my generation found OG hair and arena metal ridiculous and found a home in the more brooding and dark Nu Metal... I totally agree with your take that flyover midwesterners and southerners are hated and shit on constantly by society and "progressive writers" im orgainally from NYC and thus you would expect that I would have great acess to all kind of live music ... But the truth is for the music I like, I was way more likely to find it in Florida or Viginia or Ohio than NYC... As ive grown and learned of course I can appreciate and love more technical bands like Trivium and Amon Amarth; however there will always be a place in my heart and the hearts of millions of blue collar types.. military or ex military, Law Enforcement, firefighters, tradesmen ect for Nu Metal and the raw emotion and aggression and digestibility regardless of musical education.... F the music snobs

Never use Temu, my uncle bought somthing and his credit card was hacked. After that, I liked NeMetal, but what I hated about most bands is lazy riffs that relied on detuning to sound heavy. Also get tired of whiny lyrisc that have to ryhm with pain. What I like about some bands is how they emphasize the bass guitar more that most metal bands.

I loved hair metal in the 80’s, not a fan of thrash, but when mu metal started up, it never caught on with me and I’m fine with that. I can thank Headbanger’s Ball for introducing me to stoner rock groups like Kyuss…. Great analysis Finn! And you were spot on, how the animosity for the “new thing” called nu metal wasn’t like the metal before it, but that can’t exactly be a bad thing, just a different thing!

Great vid, you touched on all the points I would have and more. I always liked nu-metal because of the groove and attitude, even though im a hardcore thrash guy, all heavy music I support.

Finn, I’m sorry that you had to talk about NuMetal again…but your discussion about larger societal problems presented in this piece of history, and the educated points you share, are why I keep coming back. Not that I don’t love the genre here, (having graduated HS in 1998). But I love your psychological and economical breakdown that encourages me to be more open-minded. And I’m also a Kpop fan…thanks to my ex-wife, who is now also married to a Vietnamese person. 😅 I stan Blackpink over BTS. 🫢 But I’m an American, and Teddy Park is too. Like Fred Durst, he knows exactly what he is doing. PS: I grew up in the western Washington too. And miss it terribly. Like you, I’ve spent my life living all over the U.S. And I am extremely grateful for the perspective I’ve gained from it. Love for the fly-over states.

just brought me back to ozzfest 2000 with this! i like your vibe and channel, subbed!

@Monkeysfist221

3 ай бұрын

You saw Ozzfest back in 200 A.D.? Wow you must be the oldest commenter here. What was it like living in ancient times?

I think what really made Nu-Metal appealing was how different those bands could sound, right away you knew Slipknot, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Nine Inch Nails, System of a Down… All different. Other genres you can’t always… Tell. Garth Brooks, Tobey Keith, Billy Ray Cyrus, all kinda the same. Many rappers, pop singers. Very nuance differences.

Its why celtic frost has stood the test of time.. its more relatable and easy to play vs something like Athiest

I have to leave a comment. Just found out of your channel couple of hours ago. The amount of work and information put on these videos is insane. I might be stating the obvious, but this is free content. Quality content. Amazing job

Not addressed is just how self-loathing, self-pitying, and whiney a lot of this music is. Listening to someone wallow in depression and scream about how difficult their life has been gets old real fast.

@OneEightZeroZero

3 ай бұрын

There's a place for it, like some people really want music that's more "real" and down-to-earth, or resonates with stuff that's going on in their own lives. When it becomes a band's whole identity though, that turns into a problem fast. Like the only way for them to not run out of material is if the singer/lyricist is so messed up that the band is gonna self-destruct anyway.

My mother had a go at me for listening to Rammstein, claiming it was noise and not music. My reply was 'it is music it's just not her music' and I think that applies to any genre of music you choose to listen to.

I went to highschool in the late 90s and early 2000s and Nu-Metal was very popular with the people I hung around. I was always more partial to industial but I definitely had my favorite songs in the genre.

This was educational, thank you. Even though I still can't stand Nu metal (aside from a few Korn songs). I just prefer blues-based rock and guitar solos, and I think the "rap" sections are corny because most of them can't do it properly. Rap is a separate skill and a lot of those guys sound like they didn't take the time to learn it, and they come across as petulant teenagers who were just told to clean their rooms (in contrast to say, the Beastie Boys, who are white artists outside the main rap genre who did learn to rap). I don't really like the "tsunami of electronic sound" that nu metal uses, and I really do prefer to listen to an artist who is extremely skilled on their instrument. If that makes me an elitist, so be it. I don't care about the track suits. As long as an artist sounds good, I really don't care what they wear or how they look.

Awesome video dude. I grew up listening to nu metal, then went off to prog and thought i was too good for it for a while. Now as a (i like to think) reasonable adult i still appreciate both (and much more) very much.

Man what a great message you wrapped into this video

I'm having a great time with this channel. Impeccable research and presentation. Are you interested in doing videos about the 'Bad Brains', 'Venom' and/or King Diamond?

I never heard a single person say they didn't like nu metal. We all felt that it was just heavier alternative and not having nothing to do with metal.

@danteshollowedgrounds

2 ай бұрын

Yep lol

So sad and hypocritical. No one calls trashy rap music "blk trash." It saddens me how anti-wht racism is tolerated in our society. All hatred should be condemned

I'm almost 30 (28) and definitely remember the nu metal hate from scrolling on 4chan in the late 2000s

I was 18 in 94, loved thrash pre 90s, but fell out of love with it around the time grunge hit. Pantera and White Zombie were pretty huge in that time, and I think inspired some of the NuMetal bands. Korn at the time was just a weird band to me, but I liked what I heard. I was guilty around 98 of arguing on AOL that it sucked because of the lack of solos 😂 I also still listen to SoaD a lot. Always thought the fashion styles were tacky but whatever (as I sit in my boring outfit influenced by grunge).