I think the best description of ADHD/ADD was described by the guys on Cinema Therapy "It's Attention MISMANAGEMENT disorder" it's not that a person CAN'T focus, it's that they have difficulty 'directing' their focus.

@DarthJarJar10

6 ай бұрын

100% - it’s either too much focus, or very crappy focus.

@B_Van_Glorious

6 ай бұрын

There's more nuance. I mean, imagine along with me.. Why do so many people self diagnose as ADHD? Well, besides our shite medical system, you mean? Is there another acronym that's more inclined to tempt Pandora out of her box, attempting to find a commonality to the preponderance of dissonance resonating their reality? ...and then hyper-fixate, read everything available for free online and then pirate access to peer-review? If there's a self-diagnoses to give the benefit of doubt, it would be this one. At least they came prepared to the conversation, y'know, not wanting to bother the doctor, so they just did all the work for them. That being said, the "mismanagement" you claim could be misconstrued in your assumptions. So, I'm super attuned to my body and my capabilities. When I'm 'off', then "what I should be doing" is off the table as well. Cuz I know I'll just make a mess of it somehow and ultimately, set myself back further then I would by just changing my focus to what I'm most capable towards at the moment. But fret not. On any given day I have my main day task, my day relief task, my night #1 and a relief for that as well. So any day, ever, I have 4 things in the air - .min.i.mum. - but I'm always moving forward - and I religiously complete my tasks (this took a solid decade of conscious effort to know myself well enough, etc and remove hurdles/set myself up to succeed, and that's to say nothing of the tenacity and diligence, especially if ive been on the same tasks for months and id rather drink glass than keep on keeping on). I get a lot of shit done. My down time is spent either studying building codes, construction techniques, electrical everything, fabrication, machinist handbook, rigging, haynes or Chilton's repair manuals or listening to philosophical takes, hence being here. I can fix almost anything, I can make almost any tool I need. My hero growing up was Station. No joke. It's tattooed on my knuckles, Idgaf what other people think. Shit, I barely even like other people. I will make my own good robot US's before I clock out of this mortal coil. So what you'd call mismanagement, I'd call effective management, I just don't have time to explain my process or why's, and unless you're one of like 2 people in my life, it's not your business and you don't need to know anyways So, there's some deeper perspective from your local friendly neighborhood ADHD dude.

@Dr_Bille

6 ай бұрын

Semantics

@ChA0s_AgeNt

6 ай бұрын

Billehs.

@Skund79

6 ай бұрын

And that is just the tiny top of the iceberg. ADHD is so much more, it basically affects every aspect of you

The “you’re not good enough > i’m not enough > what’s wrong with me > does it have a name > could it be this > please help fix me” pipeline. Too much effing pressure and not nearly enough acceptance, of others not mostly of ourselves. Exacerbated by COMPLETELY unlivable conditions with food insecurity and housing insecurity “proving” that you really aren’t enough. It’s all a huge mess, whether or not you have a legitimate mental health struggle. Which - spoilers - we all do

@MrGksarathy

6 ай бұрын

This, exactly. Fortunately, I have never had to deal with dire economic conditions on top of the struggles engendered by having ADHD in this hyper-productive late-stage capitalist world. Self-esteem still absolutely sucks.

@rlud304

6 ай бұрын

@@MrGksarathyIt’s not late stage capitalism world. It’s the US which is not the world. Housing,food insecurity,lack of healthcare access… THAT IS ALL UNIQUELY AMERICAN. Actual first world actual civilized countries have solved these easily solvable problems decades ago. Why tf don’t you know that?! This is why Americans have the government they deserve I am (unfortunately) American btw

@MrGksarathy

6 ай бұрын

@@rlud304 I meanz the rest of the OECD is better, but they haven't "solved" these issues, bro.

@rlud304

6 ай бұрын

@@MrGksarathy And you know this, How? Lol What other countries have you lived in? I’m going with none and also never visited. I’m quite sure you could not point to any country on a map to save your life. There are countless objective measurable veritable issues that have been solved, you inane dolt. I already mentioned specific examples such as Affordable housing. Also, living wages, parental paid leave, free or reasonable cost higher education, worker’s rights such as to a month paid vacation, no overtime., universal healthcare, affordable groceries, convenient reliable cheap public transportation, police that are not corrupt thin skinned murdering thugs, a well designed well functional and aesthetically pleasing infrastructure. American cities are ugly AF and inefficient and expensive and did I mention ugly? Speaking of infrastructure, how about that lead filled drinking water? The US hasn’t managed to solve not having poisoned public water yet. Or not have third world poverty in the richest country. Or not have homeless camps in every major city. (That shit does NOT exist in actual modern civilized countries) Homeless camps are for refugees of war torn countries or survivors of disasters,not the richest country with a gargantuan military and 1000 military bases around the world. Americans rely on f*cking food banks. Food banks aren’t needed in an actual first world country. Or how about DAILY Mass shootings and third world level violent crime and murder every few minutes. Civilized countries are safe. It is safe to walk around at night. There are countless more examples. Next time you feel the need to chime in🙄 please reconsider, professor

@tymondabrowski12

6 ай бұрын

Problem is, ADHD causes trouble that can't just be "accepted away" even if you're living in your own cozy little world outside of capitalism. You'd have to live in some kind of utopia and tely heavily on others for ADHD to not impact you in a way that is detrimental to, for example, your health (living with rats or other pests is not recommended) or otger more objective measures. High pressure makes it worse but low pressure or no pressure doesn't take it away.

i got diagnosed with ADHD at 20 (now 22) after a friend with adhd said we exhibited similar behavior. i got professionally tested, and was diagnosed with inattentive. the first time i took meds for it, my life changed for the better. adhd isn’t some quirky thing, it was affecting my life.

@Gregorio416

6 ай бұрын

I am a therapist who specializes in ADHD. Just wanted to throw this your way in case it helps: ADHD is recognized as a DISABILITY. You’ve basically been trying to walk without a wheelchair for 20 years. This for a very debilitating disorder. I don’t know you’d but I’m impressed you’ve been able do do everything you’ve done so far

@nekroneko

6 ай бұрын

@@Gregorio416 At 42 and still no where near even starting the process of diagnosis, I wonder if I'll ever get the help I've needed all these years.

@sawave1630

6 ай бұрын

if i used american definitions seen on social media to self diagnose for adhd id have big adhd fr but im in europe and it takes more than that to get evaluatred

@deadinside8781

6 ай бұрын

How does one get tested? I likely don’t have it, but I’ve been walking around with a wall around my head when while trapped in it, I want to do everything and be accomplished.

@krushkannon

6 ай бұрын

@@deadinside8781 i got tested by my psychiatrist! asked him about it at one of my appointments, then got it scheduled for another time. for the test, you'll need to see a psychiatrist, as opposed to a psychologist, since they deal with the medications and more "analytical" and "medical" side of mental health.

That little joke at the end about "congrats you made it to the end, you don't have ADHD" just made me realize that during that 20 minute video I read an article on managing a media server, took a shower, and just had what a hobbit would describe as a second breakfast, returning to the video between each. My Dr. has called me a text-book case, but it's never been so obvious to me.

@madhippy3

6 ай бұрын

I checked my emails and discord messages as it ran at 2x speed

@SpewnyBard

6 ай бұрын

I kept zoning out, and had to keep rewinding to the last part I remembered over and over.

@btchiaintkidding7837

6 ай бұрын

i watched at 2x speed, was hyperfocused and ate up each of his words (at 2x speed of course)

@danysanerd2383

6 ай бұрын

As someone who absolutely has ADHD I've only made it like 2:27 into the video and I'm already quitting & I'm leaving after I leave this comment but that's mostly because I can't take this guy seriously if he can't check into his sponsor before accepting sponsorship. Betterhelp is an actual walking red flag. Not only are they shady af for many reasons but they have actually caused some people to be retraumatized or further traumatized tbg there's tons more reasons I'm just toomessed up and it's too latefor me to elaborate further. Honestly I hate to say Google it but like maybe do? Fr? I would if I were the one who was going to accept a sponsorship tho.... anyways so there have been a few youtube videos done about them I think Mickey Atkins is one creator who has made a couple...

@slyfox7452

6 ай бұрын

I left like half way through to play showdown and reshuffle my stuff

What actually happened is that people finally got their diognosis due to people's lives being interrupted, meaning any functioning they had managed to snatch from the jaws of dysfunction fucking disappeared, and people went,"Huh, i can't function, why is that?"

@zemonito

6 ай бұрын

Exactly this

@cptncutleg

6 ай бұрын

A lot of people also had to deal with being cooped up with people with nothing to do over a prolonged period of time. Not every hyperactive child has ADHD, they're just young and full of energy.

@JessieJellybeans

6 ай бұрын

😂

@randomcdude4430

6 ай бұрын

Also not all mental health issues are inherent. Meaning that society and your environment can literally break your brain and lead to mental health problems. My thought is, yes some of us went undiagnosed when knowledge was limited and attitudes were dismissive, but also our hyperpaced, productivity, stressful hustle culture has burnt out people and induced some ADHD in people. Are brains are not static, they change due to interaction with the environment (if they didn't we couldn't learn stuff). On top of that, the fact that the world requires an ever increasing capability to focus our attention in order to not suffer negative outcomes, makes even more typical people appear ADHD. So tldr, better diagnosis increases prevalence, societal/environmental induction in people increases prevalence, and increasing attention requirements to keep up with the world thus broadening the range of capacity to focus which can be considered ADHD increases prevalence.

@Tharrel

6 ай бұрын

I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and I think it is over diagnosed. There are many factors, including mobile phones, that destroyed our ability to focus. Even people like me, who had no problem focusing on reading for example as children, now present all symptoms of ADHD

I very much appreciate seeing a KZreadr, with a large subscriber following at that, be so candid and honest about struggling with depression.

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

Thanks - the rare positive effect of my (likely ADHD fueled) tendency to overshare.

@alanisjavier93

6 ай бұрын

@@WisecrackEDU I think people under-share even more, so it's cool >:p. (Also with ADHD, maybe speaking for myself too?!) lol

ADHD exists and it real. That being said, I had what could be described as ADHD. Eventually my psychiatrist concluded I had a combination of recurring depression and tiredness. I started meds for depression and started forcing myself to not work all the time, not work on weekends. The meds helped me not feeling guilty about that, specially at first. If you are working 80 hours a week and is always tired, guess what? You are tired, you need to rest. You are working 80 hours a week and your productivity is not good? You are tried, you need to rest. Sometimes stimulants will work to fight ADHD. Sometimes they are just stimulants. Yes, I still work a lot, but now I manage to get rest time. You know what? I'm more productive. I DO more. And I feel better. The fact ADHD exists doesn't mean everything is ADHD. Quite often it is not. Mine wasn't.

@yucol5661

6 ай бұрын

There is a word for this in medicine. When you have an unknown illness, but the treatment for a known illness has helped you a lot. At that point, even if we have no idea what you actually have, you know the treatment works. Taking oxicodone for an otherwise untreated toothache is probably a bad idea. But taking more rest or meditating or talking to a therapist because you think you might have ADHD is a different story.

@salihalbayrak-es8ky

6 ай бұрын

no one's denying the existince of ADHD, it would be like denying the existence of cancer. but probably 80% of people saying they have ADHD don't have it, because you can't just go and self-diagnose yourself, these things are complicated that's why people study for years and even after these years of hard work they are most of the time not certain.

@dragomon2

6 ай бұрын

out of curiousity, how much are you working now? 80 hrs seems like a death sentence to me but im curious to how much you chipped off!

@sammierose1150

6 ай бұрын

@@salihalbayrak-es8ky what if you haven’t been formally diagnosed, but you have every single symptom listed under the DSM-5 for the neurological disorder known as Attention Deficit Inattentive Disorder? 🤔

@salihalbayrak-es8ky

6 ай бұрын

@@sammierose1150 the problem is you might think you have them but you basically can't interpret them accurately. if it was that easy these people wouldn't go to college, they would just grab a DSM-5. you can't diagnose youself just like how you can't diagnose yourself with cancer just because you show signs of them, science is much more complicated than that. there are even people self-diagnosing themselves with dissociative identity disorder, the fun fact is even the scientists are not sure if this thing exists

It's also worth noting that doctors used to believe that only AMAB people could even have ADHD, so an uptick of diagnosis may also just be that more cases are being caught and treated instead of allowing half the population to struggle.

@OdinsSage

6 ай бұрын

It's also understood now that people can have autism AND adhd, where for many years doctors have to pick one or the other. So many patients who were listed as just having autism are not being recognized for also having adhd.

@hagermannre3

3 ай бұрын

You are not assigned male, you are DESCRIBED as male.

I was diagnosed ADD 25 years ago. Tried medication in school, but didn't want to feel like I needed them. Years later I went through all sorts of trouble, and eventually went back to psychiatrists. I was diagnosed again with ADHD, and started medication. It doesn't "fix" anything, it just helps me do stuff that most people find easy.

@DoodSnipah

6 ай бұрын

I was gonna post something similar to this. I didn’t feel like I needed them. 12 years of masking my symptoms and hitting that wall whenever I wanted to improve or do anything, I realized I should probably get back on medication. As a result, it doesn’t fix it, but it makes it much easier to go about life and be productive.

@ryanlillie8469

6 ай бұрын

I'm 40. And your comment is almost exactly how my life has been. Except I've got into some shit. I just started taking bupropion and I'm not sure if it's working yet, but I don't feel much different. It's only been a few weeks, and it doesn't kick in until a month. Considering it's meant for depression and anxiety. I do want to get back on some sort of stimulant, but i may have burnt that bridge with abuse via addiction. I hope not. I just wanted to say that I had this conversation with my mom the other day and your point about "not wanting to need it" well I said to my mom at like 12 that it was turning me into a "goody goody" and here I am 30 years later wondering what good it did for my mom to respect that autonomy. I asked her that and she was like "was i supposed to force you to take it?!" I have never been able to keep a job. My longest had been 2 years. And that's a stretch for me and only happened recently. I keep trying, though. I have emotional regulation problems. And so much more, but I'm at a point in my life where I'm FUCKING OLD and I'm tired of doing the same shit again and getting the same results. So I'm trying to get back on meds. I don't want to need them either, but I don't want to keep smashing my head into a wall, thinking it will change.

@pedroewert143

6 ай бұрын

@@ryanlillie8469 guanfacine may be for you too - it helps with emotional disregulation and is supposed to curb some of the impulsive negativity (while cooking.."maybe i should put the salt shaker back..naaaaw...no im not gonna put the stupid salt shaker back")

@trybunt

6 ай бұрын

@@ryanlillie8469 ours stories are probably a lot more similar than you realise. I was addicted to the worst drugs, the ones they tell people never to try. My life had become a cycle of suffering, a slave to the chemicals waking me up and putting me to sleep. That was the result of me thinking I knew what was best for myself. I've been clean for maybe 5 years now? The hardest part was finding a direction for myself. My whole life I just kind of tried to make myself feel ok then get stuff done, then repeat that cycle. I had to figure out what I wanted, which had to be something more than just feeling ok. My conclusion was that I wanted to improve the experiences of as many people as possible. Once I had that direction, I could just start putting one foot in front of the other, improving my life in small steps. I now run a successful small business. I accept my flaws, I forgive myself, I forgive others. I accept that much of my life is outside of my control, and I try and improve those bits that I can. You can always improve your current situation. One foot in front of the other. You got this

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

Just helps me stay on task, but now the doc is reluctant to give it to me 'cause I have a heart med. I know other ways to deal with it, e. g. daily meditation, but ADHD makes that difficult to get into a routine of doing. Catch 22.

sad truth is that no matter the origin of adhd be it biological or social truth is that if you are even considering it you are probably struggling and that is often left out of the equation in these discussions about over diagnosis. for example my personal experience was of all my loved ones encouraging me to ask my doctor about it and after describing all the issues I have just functioning issues which have put me in a lot of trouble and cause a lot of financial anxiety the moment I asked if looking into adhd would potentially be helpful my doctor went on a tirade about how the system is overburdened cause "nobody can just be odd nowadays" and "everyone feels they have 2 or 3 conditions going on" he then went on to ask me if I wanted to be dependent on drugs for the rest of my life and informed me of the associated stigma (the irony didn't go unnoticed) and basically told me to "just organize better". like thank you I know the system is burdened and I know that there isn't necessarily anything wrong with me but fact is that I am still struggling with all the shit that is thrown on my plate as an adult and I don't have a choice but find a way to deal with it so??? what's the point of bringing all that shit up when I ask for aid like I am not in favor of capitalism either my dude.

@toebeanteam6259

6 ай бұрын

You're correct. But the treatment is stimulants. So basically we've created a society where many people feel they need to be on stimulants to keep up with demands. I think this is a problem with society not our brains.

@goldenealgefromdutchbros6834

6 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to hear about your challenging experience, and I appreciate you sharing your perspective. It's unfortunate when individuals seeking support encounter resistance or dismissal, especially when dealing with difficulties that impact their daily functioning. It's essential to recognize that discussions around ADHD and mental health can be complex. While some argue that there may be overdiagnosis, others emphasize the importance of understanding and addressing genuine struggles that individuals face. The stigma associated with mental health issues, coupled with systemic challenges, can create barriers to seeking and receiving appropriate help. In your situation, the dismissal of your concerns and the reluctance to explore potential solutions can be disheartening. It's crucial to advocate for yourself and seek healthcare providers who are empathetic and open to understanding your experiences. TIP: In situations where seeking support for mental health, consider the "Association with Personal Experiences" strategy. Relate your struggles to your own experiences and stories, emphasizing the impact on your daily life to convey the need for understanding and assistance.

@EngieVid

6 ай бұрын

I only read a few sentences then I got bored and started to watch tiktok videos about farting burger tits. Adhd is in fashion now, glucose intolerance was so yesterday.

@Ramschat

6 ай бұрын

That's one very unprofessional doctor. I'd seriously consider a second opinion, considering his strong bias in this 'diagnosis'.

@cloudy_xDD

6 ай бұрын

Reading this I can already tell it’s the United States.. our mental health system is in collapse as is our stupid healthcare system in general. I’m counting down the days until I can move to a country that actually cares about me instead of this sick fever dream this country wants to put on its citizens.

Diagnosed at 31. I flew under the radar as a girl surrounded by boys with ADHD even though I always had issues such as dropping in and out of high school despite getting great grades (I did finish). Adults around me took it for granted that ADHD appears just one way - hyperactivity, and just chalked it up to laziness or worse. Turns out I was struggling with inattentive ADHD. My diagnosis was a relief. I internalized a lot of negative things about myself on account of the disruption my symptoms can cause, especially when I didn't know why I was struggling and assumed my symptoms were just character failings. Finding out there was a reason I am the way I am, and that the reason isn't my fault but just the way my brain is wired gave me permission to be kinder to myself. It was a weight off my shoulders and empowering because I'd been stumbling aimlessly in the dark but now I could get some help. I have learned a lot of coping strategies and tweaks in the years since to help me be more productive and organized. Though it will always be a struggle, I'm still miles better than before. ADHD is real, it's not the end of the world but it can be disruptive if it goes undiagnosed and untreated. If you know someone who has it don't minimize it. If you think you might have it, get tested.

For me, the explosion in ADHD talk is just that all my favorite KZreadrs are starting podcasts where they are willing to talk in depth about things they've never mentioned in public before. It turns out the vast majority of my favorite KZreadrs are diagnosed with ADHD already. I wonder if there's something about this medium that attracts them or helps them succeed in a way that traditional employment does not.

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

I think you're onto something there.

@deusex9731

6 ай бұрын

i noticed the same thing. Maybe its that adhd shows in talking patterns, for example faster speaking, and as someone who has adhd you might like that faster speaking pace of someone, or that they generally have a faster pace of anything like editing and moving from point to point. What also ties into your point is that creative outlets in any form attract people with adhd, but they might also create more and more diverse content, which again, leads to you liking the content

@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel

6 ай бұрын

Don't see it as a youtube thing. Acting and presenting in general is very much an ADHD thing. And together with autism (which lends itself a bit less to public presentation) is pretty much at the base of creative personalities.

@Rebecrux

6 ай бұрын

Same here. I was talking about this with my partner the other day. Like attracts like

@lucyandecember2843

4 ай бұрын

​@@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel is it??

One way to look at it is society had let so many of us down for so long. It wasn't till the last 20 years or so that people started taking it more seriously and when I got my diagnosis my life changed for the better. I finally had tools and medication to help me live a relatively normal life Thank you for reminding me to drink water cuz I definitely was getting a headache and needed some

@larkohiya

6 ай бұрын

Are you younger then 30? Only way youd lazily say that "it was only the last 20 years that people started taking it more seriously" is if your simply ignorant if history.

@ThatADHDKid

6 ай бұрын

@@larkohiya what's your problem? I'm 33 when I was a kid in the 2000s most people weren't treating ADHD seriously. It was something that most people thought little kids had. The only person ignorant of anything is you for having such an attitude with someone you don't know about something you think you know

@rlud304

6 ай бұрын

@@larkohiyaNo you’re ignorant of history or of science. The last couple of decades has achieved an explosion of excellent research and knowledge about ADHD. It is one of the most researched and understood conditions today. That was NOT the case 30 or more years ago. Also learn how to spell

I went to a therapist for anxiety and depression and was diagnosed with the inattentive version of adhd. Once I understood that the anxiety and overwhelm have their basis in adhd executive functioning issues I have been far less depressed as I have learned the skills to deal with organization that works for me. Yes, I take meds, but I didn’t for a year and did better just by starting the work with an adhd coach. The meds just made it easier but don’t cure the problem.

@Ford_prefect_42

6 ай бұрын

Hey friend- proud of you for putting in that work. Glad you're feeling a bit better!

@Harley94Davidson

6 ай бұрын

This comes close to my experience. I wasn't functioning well during my university studies and got to a point in my life where I genuinely felt like I was better off just staying in bed every day. Until one day I actually went to seek help for it, while not being sure whether I should. At first I had to work through the depression but at some point in that process my therapist figured something out about me and presented me with the option to get diagnosed for adhd. My mind at no point considered the possibility of me having it, up until the moment where I got the diagnosis and had to reconsider my whole life. The great thing that has been happening in my life now is that I'm learning how to adapt to society by taking extra steps to function within it. Medication in combination with multiple consultations has helped me tremendously. But like you say, it doesn't cure the problem. In my experience, it's trying to build a structure in your life that will make you better able to function despite your chaotic nature. It's an act of continuous self-improvement.

@Paincicles

6 ай бұрын

Is there any where I can find legitimate resources/info for questions I have about ADHD? Everything seems very pop culture and I'm curious if I might have been misdiagnosed. I have MDD & GAD but I see a lot of my symptoms talked about on KZread & Tiktok as being ADHD.

@kianadavisrodell3300

6 ай бұрын

​@Paincicles check out how to adhd. It's a channel here on KZread. Tons of valuable information and discussion, plus alot of people sharing their own personal, and often ADHDer's collective, experiences.

@watamatafoyu

6 ай бұрын

This is exactly how ADHD should be handled. With a proper diagnosis and biofeedback.

I was watching the conclusion to this video when he was congratulating everyone on making it to the end of the video without getting distracted... Unfortunately was like my 2nd or 3rd time coming back to the video to finish it.... P.S. ADHD is real, I have had it all my life, and without the medication I have trouble getting one task done without jumping to 3-4 other things... that is both in work and outside of work.

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

I was a carpenter for years--great occupation for someone with ADHD, it's much harder to be drawn off task, most of the time.

Come for the knowledge, stay for Michael's humanity. Thanks for what you guys do, Wisecrack.

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

Really appreciate this.

This is a really great video. I'd like to point out that ADHD isn't a mental illness, per se. It's a disability that's caused by a structural difference in the brain, i.e. neuro-diverse, or not neurological. It is, however, listed in the DSM-V. I'm a boomer who has it. That was fun growing up. 😞

@PabloYaos

6 ай бұрын

It's still "fun" growing up undiagnosed with it today :(

@Timewarpiaman

6 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that. Here's hoping things are better for you now.

@IxNOvaSNipezxI

6 ай бұрын

The DSM-V (Diagnostic Statistical Manual 5th Edition) is simply a book/tool that helps psychologists/doctors determine if you are statistically likely to have a certain condition. It does not 100% prove that if you have a particular series of symptoms that you have that condition. It's simply a guide.

@missnoneofyourbusiness

6 ай бұрын

​​@@PabloYaosIt honestly isn't that "fun" today. For me it was "fun" as a millennial and I wish I was given the support and decency my students have right now. For starters, nobody would have violently clapped in front of my face "to wake me up" without consequences.

@missnoneofyourbusiness

6 ай бұрын

I truly wish you have more peace right now ♡

I really liked the discussion about self-regulation, it dovetails nicely into the discussion about Meritocracy: If you aren't successful it's your fault and not the system. It's another example of how instead of looking at an overwhelmingly dysfunctional system of labor that has been established, we are forced to blame ourselves not being good enough because we can't focus through six video calls where cameras have to be on...

@andrasbiro3007

6 ай бұрын

Wait, meritocracy is bad now? What's the alternative? Praise corruption? Actually one big issue with western society is the exact opposite, the more value you produce, the less you are paid, which creates anxiety and depression on both ends. Interestingly, getting paid well for meaningless job seems to be worse for the human mind than struggling on sub-minimum wage but doing an important job.

@MrLense

6 ай бұрын

What’s the alternative? If we accomodate everyone’s mental health, then no one will do jobs that no one wants to do but needs to be done. Society collapses.

@mavrospanayiotis

6 ай бұрын

​@@andrasbiro3007meritocracy is how people deciding what merit is can reward, with general social acceptance, those people more prone to get corrupted by them.

@MichaelDodge27

6 ай бұрын

That's pretty unimaginative, if we reduce consumption and waste we wouldn't need to have so many jobs and we could focus on the important things in our lives like our health and wellbeing. @@MrLense

@gljames24

6 ай бұрын

​@@andrasbiro3007The issue with meritocracy is that it is always a lie. You always have to pick a metric to judge people by and often, that metric doesn't reflect reality. Society ideally represents and balances everyone's desires, not just the people who can run the fastest or think the smartest.

As someone who has ADHD, one minor/major annoyance of mine is the ability to maintain routines. I didn't bring my own mask to work for one week due to renovations and had to use one-use masks. Then when the reno was over, I kept forgetting to bring masks for a week until I rebuilt that routine from scratch. Any stray from a routine can destabilize something that has been working well for years. I'm sure this isn't something that someone neurotypical has to go through all the time with every routine.

@MrGksarathy

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Maintaining routines is a must, and it's so easy to lose them.

@eirikarnesen9691

6 ай бұрын

thats completly normal. stop taking meth

@tinaodekunle8163

6 ай бұрын

This is so accurate. And it’s so difficult to build them and work up to them being a part of your life. I keep underestimating their importance and that’s why I lose my keys 4-5 days out of every week. And then I have to deal with my own disappointment in myself on top of my family’s. It’s exhausting

@TaroLoaf

6 ай бұрын

Oh shi- I'm like this myself. Same thing with pants. So used to having certain item in a pocket then when I switch pants I always forget one object such as a USB cable and end up suffering from it

@drjjloveman

6 ай бұрын

Same. I have to go to the gym 7 days a week because if I miss once I will usually miss several more days in a row. If I start a video game and don't play everyday afterwards I will miss a day and then I just won't play it anymore. This makes it hard to do tasks that aren't required to do everyday because I'll just put them off until it's at a critical breaking point. On meds I can slow down time and really get organized to accomplish things.

Gotta say, I’m loving this trend of taking shots at your company while addressing wider societal and corporate problems. Yo, Wisecrack owners, your staff deserve better compensation and benefits!!

One thing that this video is missing in the discussion of neurodivergence vs social influences on people mirroring those symptoms, I think, is the same thing that surprised me when I got diagnosed as an adult: there is a requirement for the symptoms to have persisted throughout childhood and how those symptoms have impacted on you from early childhood to wherever you are now

@TSMSnation

6 ай бұрын

ADHD gatekeeping

Moved to a new apartment a little over a month ago & most of my stuff is still in boxes. On the bright side, it was a pretty easy move bc (again) most of my stuff was still in boxes from the last time I moved 🤙

@brendanmcculloch2406

6 ай бұрын

yeah... i moved to my current place a bit over a year ago. over 80% of my stuff is still in boxes, and about 50% of that had still been in boxes then from my previous move back in 2014

@lococomrade3488

6 ай бұрын

Get your shit together, dudes. Fuck.

@Eagle3302PL

6 ай бұрын

Luckily my ADHD manifests the opposite when I move. I'll immediately start unpacking, organising and arranging stuff but in such an inefficient manner that I have no idea where anything is when I'm finally too exhausted to keep going, I'll barely have water and no food. I hyper focus until I'm almost passing out, then I finally have water and food and usually do the same a week or two later to wrap up.

I'm a pediatric resident. One of the intensive care pediatricians I worked with said one of the things he most commonly sees in traumatic injury patients is ADHD that was uneducated cause it was summer or the weekend. He always advocates not taking breaks especially if participating in some dangerous activity

This idea of the diagnosis and treatment of neurological conditions when they negatively affect career success and capital gains also goes hand in hand with how many ADHD influencers and online resources will attempt to reframe one's symptoms as "super powers." People end up medicating to manage their symptoms to match the production expectations of an ill fitting job, or they find themselves in a career that exploits their symptoms. More often than not it seems to be some combination of the two, where the individual tries to suppress the negative symptoms while boosting the positive "super powers", which in my experience inevitably leads to burnout.

@ScooterinAB

6 ай бұрын

I recall hearing in a class that people with ADHD are the neurological X-men (also autism), but it was less about amazing superpowers and more about recognizing that some people just operate differently, but that this difference is seen as non-conducive to society. So someone with ADHD learns a certain way or acts a certain way that we should maybe start addressing, but that's not the assembly line way we do things right now. Instead of seeing it as bad and wrong, we could see it as a need for change in education.

@lucyandecember2843

4 ай бұрын

​@@ScooterinABo.o

I had horrible concentration and focus, but it didn't impact my school performance (in elementary and high school, anyways). I talked to my doctor about it, and he diagnosed me with, "Thinking about girls too much." I had a frustrated look on my face, so he quickly said, "Wait. Are you gay?" I said, "No." Then he said, "Yeah, you are just thinking about girls too much then." I didn't get treatment until after I went from a "gifted student" to dropping out of two universities and losing what little self-esteem I had, and I have been in a depression cycle since!

@Rithmy

6 ай бұрын

This reads like a joke..... Btw when i entered university i quickly realized that i failed to learn something important from school: "how to learn". I never had to put much effort into it, so i did not realize what i struggle with. I took more many extra years to deal with it. And tbh im still bad at it. Idk why im still studying and how i got so far.

@vladimirmanza5839

6 ай бұрын

This was me in a nutshell

Im a woman who was diagnosed a couple of years ago at 28, and it really changed my life. I suffered all through school, not able to get work done, forgetting things, diagnosed learning disorders, etc. I dropped out of high school because i had developed an anxiety disorder and just couldn't handle it. Medication has made a huge difference, but so has just understanding how my own brain works. With that in mind, i think ADHD is both under and over diagnosed. We see undiagnosed people in their later years. So many people on the bottom of our society suffer from it and just never got the help they needed. It's also worth noting that many other conditions, mental and physical, can cause similar symptoms to ADHD. Long Covid is one of them. I really do think there is a connection between people just having a hard time in society, thinking they must have ADHD. I think a similar thing can happen with autism, though not as much. Because of the world we live in today, people dont feel good, and they look for an explanation. Someone who feels alone then feels a sense of relief when they find a community to belong to. I have no doubt that if society changed, we would have fewer people identifying with these conditions. As someone that really suffered because i wasnt diagnosed on time, I really feel for others like me and want them to get help. At the same time, it can be pretty frustrating to see people use it as a part of their identity to the point of pathologizing nornal behaviors. I love watching lectures by Dr. Russell Barkley, a leading expert in ADHD. He says things like "there are not proven positives to ADHD" and explains how insisting there are can do a lot of damage to people who dont have them. It also takes away those talents and achievements from those who did them. Instead, they give that credit to their unrelated attention disorder. Its also frustrating for me to see people abusing the medication. Ive seen people offer them to others at university and state they take more than their perscribed dose when they need to focus more. Its so dangerous to do those things and can also make it more difficult for others to be trusted with their meds. Without mine, Im almost useless. Idk, im rambling now, but think there is so much more to talk about on this subject that is so important.

@CrackaPackify

6 ай бұрын

Fucking thank you. Those "ADHD is my superpower" morons are just inhaling weapons grade copium

about taking ADHD medication on your free time, I once took my meds with me as a test on holiday with a large group of friends. I was so happy I brought my medication because the times I went without them I was just bouncing around and my mind was running a thousand miles per hour because I was excited. When the meds kicked in I felt like I could breathe again and calm down to enjoy my holiday and not bother myself and others with my chaos.

@ffbotha

5 ай бұрын

I think a big issue is that because medication doesn't make you feel particularly different apart from the whole 'I can now direct my focus,' that people assume this means you don't need it on days where you're only planning to relax anyway and don't have anything you have to focus on if you don't want to. This is honestly how I felt for about the first year of being medicated and it's a nasty trap to fall into. Now that I've started taking my medication even on the weekends I'm starting to realise how big of a difference it makes in my ability to meaningfully relax and actually care about things that need to be done.

Hey, Michael! As an autistic adult, I would appreciate a lot if you could make a video about ableism in neoliberal society. Being an autistic person is not easy at all and it comes with so many prejudices from family to classmates that only aggravates my depression. Hope you could talk about autism and neoliberal society someday. Love your channel!

@PoorDog69

6 ай бұрын

If you're autistic, then you should be automatically understandable right? I can understand you clearly. Your sentences does not go into detail but rather clarify the topic in simplistic terms.

@Sorullo123

6 ай бұрын

@@PoorDog69tf?

@itsmeitsme54

6 ай бұрын

What do you mean by automatically understandable? It's rare that I find someone that understands what I say, regardless of how clear it is.

More people get diagnosed because: 1) We now have the resources and the people needed to diagnose people and 2) People are less likely to avoid seeking a diagnosis as they can now get help instead of just getting a label My grandmother definitely has ADHD but she's too old, nobody diagnosed people in rural communities back in her day (if anywhere).

@ItssssJack

6 ай бұрын

3) There is an industry around it that is interested in identifying additional patients

@methos4866

6 ай бұрын

​@@ItssssJackGetting a diagnosis for ADHD can really help put your life in perspective. A lot of people end up blaming themselves for behavior that they ultimately have no control over.

@ItssssJack

6 ай бұрын

@@methos4866 Agree!

@Psychopathicviewer

6 ай бұрын

@methos4866 More people are getting diagnosed because more awareness is leading more people to think they have ADHD, whether they do or not, which in turn means far more people try to get diagnosed. ADHD is not a mental illness, it's a neurodevelopmental disorder. But more recent studies show that neurologically a neurotypical person can develop similar, but fixable, attention deficit symptoms. The diagnosis process can't easily differentiate between the two and since the medication will improve the focus of people, whether they have the actual debilitating neurodevelopmental disorder or not, it stands to reason that the amount of misdiagnosis may be a massive problem. As the people with actual ADHD are now struggling to get medication to help them function.

@TheIggyfuzz

6 ай бұрын

How can you be sure that she didn't manage her "undiagnosed" illness better than if she would have gotten "help"?

I suffer from severe ADHD. So does my mom and my kids. It's a real condition and I hate how everybody think they have it just because they get distracted sometimes. ADHD affects your mood, attention span, sleep asnd a bunch other things. When people throw it around like it's nothing, it takes away aswareness. When I got diagnosed. I told people and ther response was: "yeah, now everybody has ADHD". No, but I do.

@drjjloveman

6 ай бұрын

I have had ADHD for many years. One of my biggest problems is hyper focusing on a project to the point I will miss sleep for sometimes a couple days but I know if I don't finish it in the single session I'll probably never continue to work on it and I end up with tons of half done projects all over the house.

@BernardoDominguesBotelho

6 ай бұрын

@@drjjloveman That's a big problem. I've had to solve it through sheer discipline and with help from medication.

12:50 the title of this book is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. It’s really about making people self aware of the problems we face as consumers in the attention economy. Actually a great read.

I have one caveat to this. ADHD is not a mental illness. You are not sick for being neurologically divergent.

@tunessystem787

6 ай бұрын

This! ADHD is not a mental illness; a mental illness is a distortion in thought that can be developed and treated. ADHD is a mental disability; a way of thinking that one is born with which causes significant impairment in one’s ability to function. But being neurodivergent - that is, thinking in a way that is neurologically different from the norm - is neither an illness nor a disability. ADHD, like autism, is a condition that can sometimes effect people who are neurodivergent, but not everyone who is neurodivergent has the disabling struggles brought on by conditions like ADHD or autism. Many neurodivergent people are just fine or, in some cases, do struggle somewhat, but only because society is structured for a neurotypical mental pattern. Someone with ADHD will still have trouble focusing no matter how society is structured, just like a person without legs will still be unable to walk even if society gives them a wheelchair (and ALL potentially needed ramps/elevators/etc), and someone with autism will still have cognitive and sensitivity struggles no matter how we structure society. But someone who is simply neurodivergent has no generally disabling or distorted mental processes, which means it is neither a disability nor an illness. And luckily some people are finally starting to realize that and talk about it, but progress is slow, so it’s very important to keep talking about. Are people who have ADHD and other neurodivergent disorders quirky and do they tend to think in a way that’s noticeably different from the norm? Sure, but that’s NOT the part that makes something a disability or an illness. To be a disability or illness, something has to be disabling in some way, which neurodivergence is not. Some neurodivergent people also have disabilities, but that’s not because they are neurodivergent any more than neurotypical people have disabilities because they are neurotypical. That’s not a neurodivergence thing, it’s just a human brain thing - sometimes they don’t work optimally, whether neurodivergent or not. For example, one sign of autism is avoiding eye contact, and even if we assume every autistic person does so, the only time avoiding eye contact is a problem is when other people decide to get abusive in response to a broken social norm. Not being comfortable following a social norm is not disabling or sick - the disabling part of autism is the cognitive issues, the overconsumption of energy due to a lack of effective mental shortcuts, and/or sensitivity issues so severe that they, instead of just being annoying can actually trigger uncontrollable meltdowns/shutdowns. That is what makes someone autistic, not the fact that they are neurodivergent and can’t seem to conform to social norms “properly”. But for someone who is neurodivergent more generally, they only struggle when others try to push their social norms too forcefully. If anything, it’s BENEFICIAL to have neurodivergent people in our society - it’s always valuable to have a variety of perspectives and ways of thinking. The fact that it’s so stigmatized is a real problem.

@franjkav

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@tunessystem787​​⁠​⁠I agree to an extent but you’re making a lot of assumptions about others experiences. for example, my depression symptoms are related to my neurodivergence. Depression itself was very disabling for me and I tried many antidepressants before getting diagnosed with adhd and trying Adderall, which mostly resolves the depression issues. I also struggle with compulsive skin picking which is strongly correlated with my mood, thoughts, and actions. Picking is stimming, is fidgeting, etc. I avoid activities where I’ll likely start picking and avoid others because I picked and feel too self conscious after. For me, the flavor of ND I have is and has been very disabling by default for most of my conscious life.

@torbjornlekberg7756

6 ай бұрын

@@tunessystem787 Thank you for expressing it so well. :)

@tunessystem787

6 ай бұрын

@@franjkav I'm not sure exactly which assumption I made that contradicts any of that. But I also don't clearly remember everything I said in this specific post. >.>; But either way, I do relate to the things you describe, but it sounds like you might be further along. I've been through 3-4 antidepressants now and while they do help sometimes with a few things, they don't actually solve any of the problems that got me diagnosed as clinically depressed. The same seems to go for my insomnia - a large part of the problem is that my brain doesn't shut up when it's time to sleep, which the doctors keep saying is anxiety, even though I tell them that I don't feel anxious and the thoughts are not negative - in fact, they are usually positive, fun, creative, etc. I just can't make them stop. But they keep insisting that is still anxiety, but none of their anxiety/insomnia treatments help me at all. So I still don't know what the actual problem that's causing those struggles, so I definitely agree that it can be damn near fucking impossible sometimes to determine what the underlying cause of something actually is.

I'm a psychologist with a masters degree and a few years of clinical experience. And I must say, this video is very good, it's so well rounded that at the end it gave me chills. We will use this video as the base for a discussion next class (I'm a professor too). I'm very impressed.

@TJMaxximalist

6 ай бұрын

Reading this makes me hopeful for the future educators and medical professionals who will have a much better understanding of neuro-diverse disabilities than we do now. There are still too many outdated ideas widespread among the medical community.

@user-tc9ko6gi6j

6 ай бұрын

Just a tip for folks who are new to this. According to the American Psychological Association, “psychologists attend graduate school in psychology. The American Psychological Association recognizes the doctoral degree as the minimum educational requirement for psychologists; these degrees include the PhD (doctor of philosophy), PsyD (doctor of psychology), or EdD (doctor of education). Some states allow people with master's degrees in psychology to use the term “psychologist.”

@franciscob.maciel8745

6 ай бұрын

@@user-tc9ko6gi6j oh is it? I'm not from the USA and in my country psychology is way different, closer to France, I think. We don't have "counseling" as an example. It's one of the few fields of expertise that I think is done better here.

@havefunbesafe

6 ай бұрын

Most people on this thread are psychologist with a masters degree I noticed.

@Yungdarius

6 ай бұрын

As a college student. Sick comment

In my opinion, there's no such thing as laziness; there's always a deeper reason behind it, and if you can fix that, you can fix the laziness. Sometimes we're just too tired to do things, and even lazy people do things all the time, but they seem to get tired more easily, whether mentally, physically, socially, or emotionally.

@gjmottet

6 ай бұрын

What do you mean? Being lazy is awesome!

@shadowrylander

6 ай бұрын

@@gjmottet Well, there's supposed laziness, and then there's working smart. 😹

I've been a fan of this channel for a while, and I've thought for a while that as an ADHDer, it would mean a lot to me for you guys to talk about it. I also appreciate that you guys called upon the fact that most of the struggles of ADHD are due to the unfair demands of our society, and drew the parallel to hysteria. It feels good to hear a prominent channel talk about the issues and marginalization I face as someone with ADHD. Thank You

ADHDer here. I was diagnosed two years ago at 36. I think a lot of signs get missed in young girls because like autism, it was thought to be a "boy problem". I always thought something was a bit "off" with me so I am glad to finally have an answer! But navigating the world as an ADHD adult can be very challenging. People seem to loose their patience with you VERY quickly. I take Ritalin in the morning everyday (the extended release kind) and once it kicks in I want to do like everything lol. Yes it does affect my appetite. It is 10 pm here in Oregon state and I am just now eating for the first time 😂

@eirikarnesen9691

6 ай бұрын

your doctor prescribed you meth, and now you want to do things. its truly amazing how far the system has fallen. atleast be honest about it. we like meth

@unifiedatom7536

6 ай бұрын

It’s not meth that’s a different chemical it may not be the best for your heart but at least I can function not every person need it but people like you are a genuine problem it’s a completely different experience than you would think the best way I can describe it is the mental fog from waking up that won’t go away before I got medication and was able to be a productive member of society I did actual drugs because I couldn’t do anything then I became depressed because I couldn’t do anything making me turn more to drugs so I’d rather this than the junkie I was this has added a minimum of 20 years to my life

@eirikarnesen9691

6 ай бұрын

@@unifiedatom7536 you have just changed the other drugs for meth dude. its literally just meth. it feels different, because its legal, so you dont have to hide it. nothing wrong with liking drugs, but dont come here and pretend you are sick. its just menth

@annjepsen1621

6 ай бұрын

​@@eirikarnesen9691 Don't belittle our diagnosis because *you* have a drug habit.

@eirikarnesen9691

6 ай бұрын

@@annjepsen1621 i have read true here, and all of you are just drug addicts. none of you have adhd. well, one in about 20 where real. you deserve to get belittled. just admitt you like being high. everyoine feels better in life when they are high all the time. does not mean you have adhd

Kinda wish you addressed the issues of the under-diagnosis in young girls. As an AFAB woman I know I had these symptoms all my life but the medical field basically declared only boys could have ADD/ADHD until recently. A big chunk of that explosion is women finding out that they, such as me. I didn't find out that I remotely had ADHD until I was 28 years old. So you do have a point, but the sexism of the medical field is a huge contributor to this issue.

@mitchlynroberts4726

6 ай бұрын

Yes! A lot of conditions have baselines for diagnosis based on males of white America or European heritage. This results in both women and people with cultural backgrounds different then the baseline getting under diagnosed. Autism is another one like this

@Nl0R

6 ай бұрын

When I was studying psychology/mental disability in university, stuff I went through as a kid started to make sense. My professor gave me a self report scale and advised me to see my doctor. I didn't seek treatment because I managed well enough. When I told my family, they said I wad attention seeking and just a bit quircky... fast forward 10 years, my nefew got diagnosed and the psychiatrist said it's very likely that close relatives might have adhd as well... 😂 guess who got some apologies from their parents?

@amandam1114

6 ай бұрын

Yup, diagnosed a couple years ago. Nobody thought how much I had a hard time focusing, losing stuff constantly, and couldn't remember squat could be an issue. But Because I wasn't a boy unable to sit still I just needed to focus and get organized 🙃. It wasn't until my new therapist was certain that we finally got tested. I'm relieved that I wasn't just a born failure, but my god I'm angry how nobody caught the signs earlier.

@alexbennet4195

6 ай бұрын

AFAB woman?

@blairfujin

6 ай бұрын

@@alexbennet4195 afab - assigned female at birth, afab woman = cis woman = not trans woman

I really hate that people claim they have ADHD without a diagnosis. I struggle with any and every executive function related task and this has damaged my self image and reputation. I can have a large "organized" mess where I know where everything is at, however coworkers and past partners see me as lazy, disgusting, and childlike. This lead to my identity being changed and I was envious of others who could perform better than I could in areas I struggle in. This has happened my entire life and when I got rediagnosed this year I cried. I no longer see myself as a man who needed to grow up but someone who needed a toolbox of techniques and tricks , along with light medication, and suddenly I feel my latent potential is now fully capable to be accessed. I feel like a whole person and adult.

@commarchinin

6 ай бұрын

So, I really get this perspective. But I also think that we need to be open to self-diagnosis because of the failures in healthcare and diagnostic systems. I recently had an obviously ADHD friend be rejected a diagnosis, as far as I can tell primarily because she's a woman of colour in her twenties and the specific medical practitioner she saw had no concept of what to look for in her. The issue with not accepting self-diagnosis is that without it people like her, who the diagnostic system has failed, or people who simply can't afford a diagnosis, get nothing: no support, no sympathy, no acceptance or community. I personally deeply relate to your story. I'm autistic and ADHD, and coming to terms with that has finally helped me understand that the things I'd always been told I was (lazy in particular) weren't actually true. I just function very differently to most people. And I say that I'm autistic and ADHD currently operating on self-diagnosis. Let me unpack self-diagnosis a bit there: for me, self-diagnosis meant about six months of research and the realisation that the need to bring parents to a diagnostic appointment would make it prohibitively difficult to get diagnosed with either of ADHD or autism. It also meant talking to my family and relatives about it (both ADHD and autism run in my family). My point here is that self-diagnosis isn't (at least in my case or in the case of any other person I have known to self-diagnose) just a case of watching a few TikToks. I have ultimately found a place where I will be able to get formally assessed for both autism and ADHD later this month, which I'm very happy about. I have zero doubt as to what the results will look like (it does help that my partner of 6 years just got her dual-diagnosis a few weeks ago, and I'm a lot more obvious than she is). I'm also very fortunate to be able to afford to pursue diagnoses to begin with. All in all, really sorry if this comes out at all judgey, I don't mean it to. I similarly felt self-diagnosis was deeply suspect and invalid for a long time, to the point of invalidating a previous partner (who with hindsight was clearly autistic) about her own self-diagnosis. But self-diagnosis is the only option a lot of people have, and while that's really not ideal it does give them access to community and advice and that great revelation, which you and I both value so much, that we aren't the failures we were always told. Edit: Autism diagnostic appointment delayed by a month, but I now formally have ADHD!

@aranzazuglez5404

6 ай бұрын

Let's not gatekeep ADHD. Some of the most productive people I know have their diagnosis and some of them haveit for more than a decade, at least two of them have participated in clinical studies. ADHD is an spectrum and struggles vary among people not just because of physical expressions but based on environnments, the tools we grow up with, the activities each one does, etc.

@kbucket

6 ай бұрын

To get an official diagnosis you would need to go through a formal assessment which is not an easy process and VERY expensive. Most people you know who were "properly diagnosed", even as kids, were likely prescribed a treatment plan from their family doctor after one appointment and they stuck with what worked, that's it and if you think that's a formal diagnosis - it isn't (and that's ok). Not to mention we are still learning how ADHD developed and presented itself differently based on so many personal factors, it is not a one size fits all type of deal. You say how upset it made you when others called you lazy and childlike but are you not basically doing the same by making huge assumptions about people you don't know.

@TheRonnieaj

6 ай бұрын

I really really empathize with you. It HURTS to have people tell you you’re lazy, disorganized, unfocused, everything. I suspected I had ADHD for around 7 years before I was diagnosed just a few months ago in my mid-40s. I started leaning into a lot of cognitive changes which helped for a while, but it was hard (impossible) for me to maintain. It wasn’t until this year that things fell apart and I saw my PCP, who put me on Wellbutrin as an off-label non-stimulant until I could get formally tested. Which cost me $1500. I’m blessed I could afford it, but a LOT of people can’t, and it wouldn’t have made their non-diagnosis any less legit than mine was prior to a formal Dx. Let’s be sure to make space for that with others.

@infinitecurlie

6 ай бұрын

I get it but this is gatekeeping. I told my psychiatrist about my symptoms and he threw Wellbutrin at me, which has done wonders for me, but he refused to diagnose me with ADHD, saying that the VA doesn't allow him to do so (when that isn't true).

Just my two cents on the "ADHD TikTok craze": I'm someone that defends self diagnosis as a starting point to seek help. I'm someone that started to struggle with university during the pandemic because online classes where terrible for my attention and motivation. So I started looking into why I was so bad at paying attention to things, why I could stay put playing games or researching a new skill for 12 hours without eating (hyperfocus on novelty). I realized I had ADHD 2 years ago but never got treatment because it's expensive and would be troublesome to negociate meds with my parents (who dislike psychiatry medication). So I understand relying on self diagnosis to find reasons to why you are the way you are. And social media, in a way, helps to bridge the gap between vague symptoms and day to day consequences of the condition. But every time I see someone say that they have ADHD because they forgot something one time, or because they are too tired one time, or because they lacked self control one time... It pisses me off. I have a friend that thought my hyperfocus was a super power (because of TikTok) when in reality it's a detriment to my responsibilities. Btw, today was my first day medicated. Didn't work much but it was a very small dose. But I could see how easy it is to have self control when your brain works, so I'm looking forward to that

@deusex9731

6 ай бұрын

Adhd medication doesn tactually make you "feel" anything, maybe thats why it felt like not much (or maybe you need a higher dosis what do i know). The first major thing i noticed is that i suddenly could choose between tasks. I could actually switch from gaming to cooking when i felt hungry. Previously i just couldnt. I didnt eat a lot of the times ( so much to hyperfocus being a superpower xD. Thanks for the superpower of being malnutritioned all the time). All people have the ability to feel things like depression or forgetfullness every once in a while or related to real life bad events for example. But not for everyone its a uncontrollable, deliberating mess every day of their life and thats what makes it an illness, not one singled out symptom you get sometimes.

Great video. I was diagnosed with ADHD in 2020 and my life has been totally improved by being medicated. It's still hard to motivate myself sometimes but it's technically a little bit easier which is what matters. Also I was only able to sit through this whole video because I'm working and I trapped myself in a chair so I couldn't get too distracted lol

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

Glad things are going better! Having a diagnosis can be so helpful.

I was diagnosed ADD as a child. My mom gave me Ritalin just once and she said she hated how I was so calm that she never gave it to me again. She was a terrible mom tbh. 31 years later I finally got a prescription for Adderall and 6 months later a prescription for Vyvanse. I've been on it for about a year and a half now. My life kind of turned out ok 5 years ago at 34. I make more money than at least 80% of the population and am surprised as anyone else that I achieved such a feat since I was poor my entire life. I have two young kids and my meds have made me an even better dad than I could have expected. Adderall, while it has it's drawbacks, is the best drug ever next to working out and eating right. I can go days without it fine, but when I do have it, nothing can slow me down on productivity.

@larkohiya

6 ай бұрын

"make more money then 80% the population." Ok?

@h.h8766

6 ай бұрын

How do you make your money?

@FuzzCheck

6 ай бұрын

So, what do you do to make that kind of money?

@SOURCEw00t

6 ай бұрын

I'm a career firefighter and an elevator mechanic. Both are great paying jobs. Believe me, I am well aware of how fortunate I've become, but it also took years to get this point. I'm very grateful and understand that just because you "work hard" (which I also did) doesn't mean you automatically get this. There has been an element of luck that has also been beneficial to me. I know what poor is, for 35 years of my life, so I don't let it get to my head.

@waltergutierrez1395

6 ай бұрын

I don't know man; putting kids on drugs...I probably would have sided with your mom.

I got diagnosed as an adult in the last few years and only sought out help after realizing that ADHD isn't just someone who can't sit still. I can sit still so long as I'm doing something I enjoy and find stimulating. It also had never affected my job and then when someone had asked on an ADHD group what jobs people have been successful at with ADHD, I realized it's because I have always picked places that are chaotic and over stimulating (restaurants, dog groomers, retail, hospitals). And to answer your first question, four to five years to assemble the drawers and headboard of my bed. I don't remember exactly because I bought it when I was pregnant with my first child and assembled them when I was pregnant with my second.

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

Lol. And we all have the ability to laugh at ourselves.

Got diagnosed a few months back when my depression got to unmanageable levels of spending entire days sometimes even over a week in bed trying to force myself to sleep and stop being conscious. After some consultations and referrals I ended up in an adult ADHD expert's office. Stimulants have helped me get out of bed and actually do things during the day. I'm still a mess and definitely need therapy to help manage myself but without stimulants I don't think I'd be here anymore. On my better days I don't take them, but when I start feeling myself slip into the hole, I use stimulants to help maintain the functioning adult facade, and even get shit done. It's still dark, I still have entire weeks where I don't want to be here, but with stimulants I'm able to keep myself functioning and a part of society. 1st day I took them, I felt what it's like to be mentally present and alert. To know why you entered a room, to remember why that object is in my hand, to listen to someone talk and hear the sentences they're stringing not just the words. Idk what that can be compared to, it's so eerie, felt like getting back something I lost, but never before realising it was missing. Even just playing video games was better, because I could finally get immersed instead of fiddling around. I could finally read a book without having to read some pages 3 times. And best of all, when I go to bed, my brain no longer tries to thjnk about everything at once, that was the worst part. With ADHD every time I tried going to bed my brain would think about 20 things in parallel and switching between them every 2 seconds, like a dozen people speaking all at once but about completely unrelated topics. The noise was maddening.

@eirikarnesen9691

6 ай бұрын

meth wont solve your depression. it just helps you run on an empty engine. you must find meaning with life. a purpouse. could be anything, but for women it tends to be children, and for men it tends to be work/politics

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

Are you getting some therapy of some sort (I hope)?

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

@eirikarnesen9691 Appreciate the concern and, although there is truth in the sense of purpose bit, it is a bit simplistic for someone with ADHD. Having it myself, and being trained in helping people via teaching people to generate and nurture their purpose, as well as an M. S. in th field, it is certainly a good place to start.

@JohnSmith-yy8mx

5 күн бұрын

You're describing me to a T right now. I made a half-assed attempt at taking meds... atomoxitene... made me feel like hell... I wouldn't even shower for weeks. I didn't want to bother with stimulants because of the shortages I was reading about and didn't want to rely on something I couldn't get. Even if availability got better, who's to say it won't happen again or be worse next time. I just don't want to feel like a junkie, feeling I need it or else. Well, I'm getting worse without it. While my whole life has been in shambles for many, many years, my attitude about it has gone pretty much into full apathy, and I'm feeling much like you described. I'm just existing and don't see the future being any different, so why even continue. I have desires that I can not attain, and I can not with any sort of consistency be of use to anyone. I know I have potential for many things, but my perfectionism, RSD, and hyper-focus fuck me very hard. Everything I do or desire to do is pointless. Inwardly, I've developed contempt for the level headed, healthy happiness of others. I don't like people having expectations of me, even down to the smallest, most trivial things. Leave me alone. Of course, the mask goes on. It's no one's fault that I feel this way, but my mind doesn't care. The only reason I really do anything is because of extreme inconvenience if I don't. Any routines I've developed to help myself bring no true satisfaction to me and don't last. If I could, I would lock myself away from everyone and everything and die in my loneliness while hating the world. I don't want to be here anymore. I do believe in the afterlife and the Bible. I can't do or be what God wants me to be, and at this point, in my foolishness, no doubt, I don't care very much about my eternal fate... I'm apathetic to it. I just want to get the hell out of here. I'm really not mad at God for this. It's my fault, which is a whole nother story. You win, Satan. You win. I guess it wasn't that hard. I once had someone describe to me that I looked like my brother just died. If I didn't mask all the time while around others, I'm sure it's the look that would always be my appearance. When I think about how much I hate myself, I can imagine the word "HATE" in bright, hot, intense, orange flames. It's fucked up, but it is what it is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy, but once in a while, I just laugh to myself about all this shit. It's what I'm reduced to. I'm actually a highly empathetic person. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I once ate a pot cookie and played some video games for hours, and damn, I was like a whole different person... I was untouchable, honestly... that's when I knew there was something in my mind that was broken. Hmmm... maybe I SHOULD just try the stimulants? But what if they don't work? And it seems to be such a daunting task sometimes in trying to find what works. I just feel I don't have the energy or patience for that. I don't know. I don't think this world has much longer to go (source: the Bible), and I'm not sure if any further effort will matter at this point. I've never really described my feelings to anyone like this. Thanks for reading and letting me get this all off my chest.

People need to realize the primary function of a diagnosis; it’s categorizing people for treatment. It’s there to help psychologists, not define you to yourself.

@ravus9935

6 ай бұрын

And who are you to say that self-diagnosis can't help people treat their own issues and feel at peace with themselves? Not everyone has access to a psychologist or psychiatrist buddy. People are trying to say that they're struggling and need help. Regardless of the source of that struggling, they need help.

@dancegod1691

6 ай бұрын

@@ravus9935 You have to recognize how much more complex you are than a reductionistic system, and how new the framework of mental disorders really is. The process of diagnosing and treating often serves industrialization; people are seen as machine parts to be greased up for the purposes of the machine. You don’t have some solidified pattern that exists in nature called ADHD, we’ve isolated those traits and decided that if you need Adderall to perform your duties, we’ll label that ADHD. I know I’m simplifying but my point is that you aren’t a list of behaviors, you’re another chaotic human being. For context I have been diagnosed with ADHD and quit taking my medication after a few years.

@ravus9935

6 ай бұрын

@dancegod1691 You're absolutely correct. People are labeled with arbitrarily defined disorders because they struggle to exist within our industrialized, profit-centric society. If the current state of the world didn't force us to crunch so much to make ends meet and contribute to the corporate machine, we wouldn't have much need for diagnoses. The real issue here isn't our made-up disorders, it's the society that demands everyone contribute to the economic machine. However, as that is, unfortunately, the world we live in, these arbitrarily outlined disorders are helpful in understanding how you as an individual struggle to conform to the social norms around you. People get diagnoses and medication because it helps them not only exist within the framework of society but, in some cases, live more fulfilling lives along the way. That's why people use disabilities as a tool to understand themselves. They're not defining their whole existence with it; they're gaining a better grasp of what they struggle with and what they need to do in order to find some semblance of success in this cruel, unforgiving, capitalistic nightmare. In addition, many people receive important accommodations and help through their diagnosis. It's unfortunate that we need to be labeled to get aid in our struggles, but in this screwed up framework, people are forced to justify their lack of productivity through their disorder in order to get by.

@dancegod1691

6 ай бұрын

@@ravus9935 But see my issue is they really ARE defining themselves by these diagnoses more than they think because they naturally assume that it knows more about them than it actually does. Then they focus on solving the “symptoms” highlighted assuming it will solve their inner turmoil. It helps people in context of seeking treatment but I’m warning against the status quo of giving any significant value to a diagnosis when it comes to how you understand yourself because it’s a distraction from the things much more helpful to ponder.

Weeks of waiting has become a norm. Having to skip days to save up meds because of shortage is just the norm now and it absolutely sucks.

@minhtao9774

6 ай бұрын

Uuuuuuuuuuuuugh forealz FOREALZZZZZ!!!!

@kaitlin4u

6 ай бұрын

Where are you located? I haven’t had problems getting my Adderall filled for like 6 months now

I was undiagnosed for a long time even with obvious symptoms. A friend’s mom gave me an adderall who swore I had it and I felt so relaxed and almost took a nap and so much was quite and calm and focused though. Found out this was not a typical response unless I had adhd. After a year of therapy I just both cry from all the lost time but also just so glad that I have it. Sometimes I still wonder if there is narcolepsy but it’d be the same treatment regardless. It has been a drastically game changer for the most basic things. I got out of a toxic multi year relationship. I finally finished college after failing multiple classes regardless how “smart” I was told I was. I could go on but to me this was fundamental

I was diagnosed as a little kid around 80/81 when I was in first/second grade. My mom refused to put me on medication. I’m 49 and only started on adderall during covid because I had a marriage falling apart and making music which I’ve never had trouble with was becoming increasingly difficult. I got an official diagnosis during which both my therapist and psychiatrist were like “yeah, we don’t really need to finish the test, it’s very clear you very much meet the criteria”. Most of my childhood I just saw myself as mostly broken. I was annoying, always stemming: tapping, moving, humming or whistling songs I was making up, getting up and walking around and often away from where I was supposed to be like going to the bathroom at a restaurant and something outside catching my eye and then ending up 3 blocks away before I realized I was eating dinner with a friend….i was called a burden by my mom and teachers, which is ironic because I’m now a teacher. Taking meds has helped. I notice myself having the ability to focus more but starting tasks is still very difficult when I feel the inertia of distraction or just turning my brain off by watching something or doing something I’ve done a billion times (like watching Community or Spinal Tap). The best has been understanding why I’m doing something so I can make it more of an intentional choice but still a work in progress. I wish I was aware of this and medicated as a kid. One interesting one I don’t have is forgetting to eat. Instead I forget that I have eaten so I’ve found myself snacking all the time. I’m also one of many with ADHD, depression combo with a fair amount of overlap. As a biologist/AP Bio teacher, my guess is that they’re all part of overlapping systems/mechanisms in our bodies. Not surprisingly it’s all over my family, including my mom that refused to medicate me because she wanted to take a more natural path which may have worked out if she then didn’t ignore it and make me (and my siblings) feel like we were just bad kids for it. Shame is a pretty crappy treatment. I’ve now learned to embrace it and to walk away from relationships where it’s just incompatible. The me that leans into who I am is more fun, creative and just plain interesting and when I felt shame for it my only successful tool to not upset certain people was disassociation where I shut everything and fall into a mental hole while my body just hangs out with the lights on while nobody’s home.

Your recent video drops have been crushing it. I’m not sure if you started picking things different but the topics have been a different level of amazing. I would imagine that these times would give individuals such as yourself a lot to think about. Thank you for the brain food.

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so so much.

@danielsantiagourtado3430

6 ай бұрын

​@@WisecrackEDUYou guys are the Best 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤

@ratsammich

6 ай бұрын

This one isn't crushing it. There is a bunch of misinformation and stigma in it.

@KangarooKommando

6 ай бұрын

you can’t just drop that in a thread and not elaborate, dude Edit: I will elaborate! Actually I’m just going to expand upon my last statement. If you are referring to the team mixing up a mental illness with a disability I am willing to give that the benefit of the doubt. About 20 hours ago a user named ShelbyKeunig2575 made a comment pointing this fact out. My reaction upon seeing this was to go “oh, oops!”. I’d watched the whole thing and understood the intended message. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get mad at them for making a technical mistake which I myself didn’t even notice, especially when they’ve acknowledged the comment as well.

I've been wrestling with the question of if I have ADHD, even tried meds, but came to the conclusion that no, I'm just massively depressed. I arrived at this conclusion for many of the same reasons you pointed out in this video.

@TheRonnieaj

6 ай бұрын

I’m on Wellbutrin as an off-label for ADHD. As an antidepressant with non-stimulant ADHD properties, it might be worth looking into. Love and light to you ❤

@gregoryferraro7379

6 ай бұрын

@TheRonnieaj already on it. But, contrary to what I comment previously, I am going to talk to my doctor about starting an ADHD med. My brother has been on Dexadrine for a few months and swears by it. I've got nothing to lose in trying it.

@TheRonnieaj

6 ай бұрын

@@gregoryferraro7379 Wishing you all the best! This world is crazy and challenging and new struggles are neverending. We’re all just doing the best we can. Take good care of yourself 😊

Im a USAF veteran that was diagnosed with ADHD in 2014 but since then through out my service and even now in the VA medical systems psychologists refuse to acknowledge that i have it opting to focus on my depression only. I recently read an article that said the VA system does not acknowledge that adults can have adhd recognized later in life. Ive been struggling with focus issues my whole life and i consider a major source of my depression and thoughts of suicide.

@pedroewert143

6 ай бұрын

The question is the wording of the diagnostics criteria (and if the VA system is allowed to use their own) and what they mean with "recognizing adhd later in life" - the older diagnostics criteria (dsm iv and icd-10) didnt consider ADHD in Aduldhood. The newer one make the diagnosis possible (but you have to proof the childhood onset with statements from you, parents, former teacher or friends, school report cards and so on). If they dont like and adhd-diagnosis for you, maybe some form of ptsd would make sense? (some doctors treat it with ritalin too - as there are some similarities with adhd like dopamine/norepinephrine-systems and altered thinking processes)

When I was in school I was always the last one to finish a test (I have maladaptive daydreaming), when kids were finishing, I was still on the first section. No one understood or took my attention issue seriously, “Oh you can focus when you want to.” “It’s all in your head” bullshit (which made my daydreaming worse). It went undiagnosed for the longest time until I was 17 and put on a couple different meds that didn’t really help. Now as a 22yo adult, I’m really happy that fucking everyone has ADHD now and I now have another reason to not be taken seriously with this issue that is really ruining my life.

I bought a desk and proceeded to leave it unopened and unassembled for 2 years until I moved out of my apartment. Definitely an ADHD moment.

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

Very, very relatable.

@danielsantiagourtado3430

6 ай бұрын

​@@WisecrackEDU🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@MontegomeryLoL

6 ай бұрын

I have pictures of my parents and siblings, whom I love dearly, sitting on my dresser instead of on my walls. They have been there since before the pandemic.

I was just talking about this because some people claim ADHD and they actually have OCD, depression, or PTSD. Coming from someone who has been diagnosed with one of those, they have similar symptoms.

@Bendylife

6 ай бұрын

I think this is important for people to know. I was diagnosed with General Anxiety Disorder as a kid and combined with a home life that I could definitely get a diagnosis for CPTSD from, I can definitely see how some of my symptoms were written off as just my anxiety disorder. Those and other physical illnesses can cause ADHD like symptoms and should really be addressed because if you don't have the tools to deal with them before ADHD treatment, they will likely get much worse. For me, I spent almost 20 years trying everything and never getting any better. That's when other issues should be explored and taken seriously. If you're still struggling after trying to treat other illnesses like anxiety and depression, there should be more thought put into other problems that person could be suffering from. Had I been put on stimulants before I had learned tools for managing my anxiety, however, I think it would have done a LOT of damage.

@Jazzistandersful

6 ай бұрын

depression and adhd go often hand in hand too.

I was getting ready to have an argument with this video when I saw the thumbnail bc I thought it was going to be one of those “ADHD isn’t real” videos but it was actually very insightful! I’ll probably check out more videos from you

The fact that the longest youve put unboxing was "almost a year" my most recent one i can think of is my birthday present from last year that i just started using last week 😂 a bit over a year. Im not even diagnosed, ive been curious because my tescher suggested it when i was young but my mom didnt wanna hear it. Ive also been skeptical of all the ad campaigns and people i know getting addicted. I was never sure what to do eith myself. Thank you for this video! I still dont know what to think of it all, but i do know that no matter how much scheduling and keeping track that i do, i fall off of it for a week or two at a time because i fall into a slump like i ran put of energy for it. Its tough to say.

The perception that many people seem to have ADHD may be influenced by a combination of factors. Increased awareness and understanding of ADHD, changes in diagnostic criteria, and a growing willingness to discuss mental health have contributed to more individuals being identified or self-identifying with ADHD. Additionally, the recognition of ADHD across the lifespan, including in adults, has expanded. TIP: When exploring the prevalence of ADHD, consider the "Context Clues" strategy. Examine the broader context, including changes in awareness, diagnostic criteria, and societal attitudes toward mental health, to understand the perceived increase in ADHD cases.

@Rithmy

6 ай бұрын

Its so interesting to think about a relativly "new" diagnosis and its history. In the case of PTSD it a bit more clear, as it has more concrete symptoms and causes. With more subtle things like ADHD (where there is a spectrum from "very clear" to "isn't that something everyone has?"), it gets increasingly hard to process all the information for everyone. Self diagnosis is a blessing and a curse. We need better information and less stigma.

I have pretty severe ADHD which was diagnosed with a bunch of different tests up to and including brain scans. The number of people self diagnosing themselves with ADHD and the general over diagnosis had been a pretty big frustration for me as I (31 years old) grew up in a period where more than half of the people I met either didn't know what ADHD was or didn't believe it was real. At this point in my life, I can really only function without medication because I literally spent almost half of my life getting hands on behavioral therapy to help me develop the psychological groundwork to self manage. The idea that ADHD could be on the rise simply because the things you have to juggle just to exist in our society is too much for most to manage unmedicated is pretty terrifying to me.

@trala8911

6 ай бұрын

I wasn’t aware there was any way to diagnose ADHD with brain scans, or any tests other than psychological ones and taking a detailed history. What type of scans were used?

@TheScrewbucket

6 ай бұрын

@@trala8911 This was a really long time ago (maybe 2004-2006ish). I was a kid, so I don't remember the exact details. I do distinctly remember a test where I was taken super early in the morning, put electrodes on my head, and told to try and sleep. I do know that modern brain scans of people with acute ADHD can have distinct patterns in brain activity. Of course, this all kind of presumes you can afford more invasive/in depth tests which is often beyond what most people can afford.

Literally had to go without my Vyvanse for the month of October. My entire city, or at least all the CVS locations, had huge shortages, and after weekd of pharmacy hopping, I was able to get the generic, and my life improved immensely.

the better help plug along with this video when you know how they feel about better help is just top tier

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

you get us.

I struggled constantly with ADHD, it affected everything in my life. Most it was my personal relationships, my wife especially was affected. I struggled with addiction as well, all stemming from that need for stimulation. As time went on it became obvious that I needed help with this. Once I got on a med and her and I worked out a better way of conducting ourselves that accommodated my symptoms, everything got easier.

@JohnSmith-yy8mx

5 күн бұрын

This is what I want to do. Start taking meds. But I have my worries about it... mentally and physiologically. I don't want to have to deal with not being able to get them and brain zaps and shit that I read others dealing with. But, I'm at the end of my rope and NEED something to change. What was the process like to get on the meds and get them to a stable point of effectiveness?

@JynxBlack13

5 күн бұрын

@JohnSmith-yy8mx in all honesty, even days when I miss a med, I might get a bit sleepy, and I have to use more of the reminder tools, alarms, post-it notes.... but you find a balance on those days. Also helpful when people around you respect that "I'm not all with it today" or "hey guys not playing with a full deck today, please be patient with me". That's helped too!

I have ADD and i give up on taking meds because i didn’t like the side effects and i find alternative treatments like meditation and relaxation work much better for me

@dearyvettetn4489

6 ай бұрын

Ditto. Meds made me feel awful or shot my blood pressure sky high. I was diagnosed about 15 years ago as an adult after having my son diagnosed. Meds worked fine for him. I spent my childhood developing coping behaviors that got me through grade school, college and life in general and that was probably for the best.

@larkohiya

6 ай бұрын

I definitely think personal meditation and study is a great way to focus the mind and relax. Of course... Many people who have adhd go to medication first and totally do not see the merit in actually taking personal initiative in training their brain. And thats not blaming them. They never learned how. Just as someone who doesnt know how to swim would think water wings or innertube is required to function in the water.

@MrGksarathy

6 ай бұрын

Do all medications not work for you? If so, that sucks, but in my experience, no amount of meditation or relaxation or self-help would do jack shit. Mostly because they cannot address the underlying chemical differences that actually cause the symptoms.

@MrGksarathy

6 ай бұрын

@@larkohiya You're stupid as fuck. You think many of us didn't try other ways of solving our issues before trying to get a diagnosis?! No amount of self-help actually works on its own because you can't self-help fundamental structural differences in the brain!

@quatresaison4769

6 ай бұрын

@@MrGksarathy Yeah, the main problem for me was the mood swings i had when on the meds, i tried a lot of meds, but in the end in just want to enjoy my life. I work in construction and i find no problem in staying focused on the task at hand, i can listen to music and chat with coworkers

Recently left the military, but back in May it took the base roughly 3 weeks just to refill my adderall and omg that shit was torture. Doing basic tasks was even more challenging and i would find myself just sleeping through the day or staring at a screen while my room got filled with trash.

thanks for your good work

Could it also be that the ever increasing demands for attention and productivity are creating such a stressful environment that it is burning people out and breaking their brains leading to the development of ADHD?

@homeraff

6 ай бұрын

Hey, great question. Adhd is a developmental disorder, which means you have it since childhood. It is not something you can get later in life. However chronic stress and/or lack of sleep and rest can cause similar symptoms as ADHD(ADD) they do however disappear, if the burnout/lack of sleep is treated.

@Loctorak

6 ай бұрын

No. That isn't how ADHD works, see below. --- "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V) specifies that ADHD symptoms must be (or have been) present before age 12 to meet the criteria for ADHD diagnosis. Technically, this means attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is not diagnosed initially in adulthood. Given the difficulty of diagnosis, however, your childhood healthcare provider might have missed it when you were young, and the increasing demands of adulthood make the symptoms easier to notice as an adult. By most standards, a newly diagnosed adult will have had the condition since childhood." --- You don't "develop" ADHD from stress factors. It's not like a sore throat, ingrown nail or a headache, it's a physical imbalance that you either have or you don't, plus it has no cure so if you have it, it's with you for life. It isn't fun or romantic or endearing - it's a disorder. If you truly do believe you might have it, make an appointment with a psychiatrist ASAP and don't jump to conclusions and assume youre probably right in the meantime because _you cant diagnose ADHD in yourself._

@ratsammich

6 ай бұрын

Nope. That isn't how ADHD works. Its a genetic disorder that causes our brains to be developed differently from birth. We have less grey matter and less activity in certain areas of our brains. That isn't something you can just develop later in life.

@Bendylife

6 ай бұрын

Like others have said, you can't just develop ADHD. There are cases of brain damage leading to similar symptoms, but other wise you can just get it from your enviorment as an adult. You can, however, develop other mental and physical illnesses that have very similar symptoms to ADHD. Anxiety can cause a lot of the attention symptoms, but when treated, those symptoms can go away. Having Hypothyroidism can also cause ADHD like symptoms. It's always best to see a professional. Sometimes, if it still feels off, you have to keep pushing for an answer. I know I had to with multiple undiagnosed conditions, but I finally feel like I have the answers after so many years of having to advocate for myself.

Yea I got diagnosed with autism (level 2) and adhd recently.. it is a hard time cause all the behavioral management I should have gotten would have helped me in so many ways; i actually use non stimulants because that what was prescribed at the time of my diagnosis. My therapist left the practice tho and they refused to refill it. So back to normal meds and this sucks. So this video makes sense cause I am trying to find meds outside of a practice cause I am still looking for a new therapist

Great summary of the cultural influences on the growing number of diagnoses. Really good stuff. Also your personality and delivery of jokes to keep videos feeling genuine and entertaining are wonderful. Thx man🙏🏼

Oh are you gonna get earfuls over this one! Fyi: last assembly project obtained has currently been in the basement 8 months. But that’s only the one thing- xmas wreaths in my room? 3 to be crafted up & bows- half crocheted blankets? 3. Etc etc

As someone diagnosed by a psychiatrist with ADHD, I left something in the box for 2 years. Unmedicated vs medicated ADHD is like wearing glasses and not. Some are able to get away with it, but some are severe enough to require it to function in society.

@dragoncox6230

6 ай бұрын

I love the comparison to prescription glasses.

@TheDancerMacabre

6 ай бұрын

​@@dragoncox6230I have moved around quite a bit. Anytime I meet with a provider or mental health, glasses is what I compare it to. If I say "I need my meds!" I sound like an addict. If say "It improves my quality of life and helps me function" it down plays it. I instead compare it to glasses. Yeah, not having my glasses would suck, but I'd live and find work around, but I end with "Would you want me driving without my glasses?" And that kinda hammers that point on how important it is that I am medicated.

@Nl0R

6 ай бұрын

​​@@TheDancerMacabredriving is such a good example because how many times do people with adhd get lost, go through red lights and arrive at the destination with no recollection of the drive there?

Last year it took me about 3 weeks to get HRT estradiol patches when there was a nationwide shortage here in England. You have my sympathies Michael, there's no sense of frustration and helplessness like it.

@franjkav

6 ай бұрын

Stimulant medication shortages in the US are mostly due to the arbitrary limitations on how much pharmacies can purchase and dispense. It is maddening because it’s artificial and doesn’t need to be like this

This was masterfully made - you guys are amazing!

Brilliant vid. This is the first wisecrack vid I had seen in 3 years and forgot how good they were. Super inciteful

@WisecrackEDU

6 ай бұрын

Whoa, thank you so much!

As someone who actually has mild to severe adhd I do appreciate people trying to stop random people from saying they have it or pretend to have it. That stupid shit makes people with actual adhd not be taken seriously.

I remember when I was young my teachers in elementary school were SURE I had ADHD (this was in the early '90s no less) and my mother was so vehemently against that idea she instead insisted they give me an IQ test. To which they did, I scored a 138 and they tossed my ass into gifted classes instead. It didn't help. Decades later after going through various doctors we confirmed I don't have any form of ADHD. Instead I have clinical depression, generalized anxiety and am on the autism spectrum and the real reasons I struggled in school. Things we could have known DECADES AGO and tried to treat if my mother actually let me get examined by psychiatrists.

@eirikarnesen9691

6 ай бұрын

you need a purpouse. somthing to channel the intelect in to. dream big, set a totaly insane goal. just make sure its somethign you want. not something challenging for the sake of challenge

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

We have autism in my family, which I figured out about some family members, I think I may have a very mild form. I suspect many, as some in my family, have ADHD as well. You still may have ADHD, but as a milder, co-occurring condition. There is some thought today that the spectrum may include ADHD on one end, with bipolarism on the other, more severe end. It's not an unlikely probability as they all have some similar characteristics, especially, in my opinion, anxiety.

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

@@eirikarnesen9691 Exactly.

Micheal, this is another banger video that nails what needs to be said.

I was just rediagnosed with a *strong* ADHD diagnosis (the first one was when I was a kid) and I was prescribed meds almost a month ago, and they finally came in. I pick them up today. Crossing my fingers for a focused weekend because it's finals week next week and I have a LOT of work to do.

It can be really frustrating when people say things like; "I find tidying up to be such a pain. I can get pretty impatient. I constantly misplace my phone. I hate mind-numbingly repetitive and inhumanely unstimulating task. I often hop from topic to topic when I think or having a conversation- I probably have ADHD too." I'm not throwing shade at their own hardships or saying that they don't struggle, possibly even with ADHD. But those symptoms are not the same as the very very bad consequences of struggling with ADHD like getting in trouble with work and struggling to stay employed due your inability to conceptualize time and therefore fail at time management. Hyperfocus to the point where you don't realize a dangerous situation like a space heater lighting things on fire. Being so emotionally overwhelmed and disoriented yet having no impulse control when you get upset-"and paying a price for it. Only bring able to complete vitality important tasks when you're in an actual panic and the toll that level of fear and anxiety takes. Losing a very important check or money that was literally in your hand within the last 5 minutes ago, but your brain doesn't remember the position or placement of physical objects when out of sight. Feeling it is psychically unsafe (to both yourself and to others) for you to drive. Being told or treated like you have endless potential, but have chosen to be lazy and do everything stupidly wrong. Being so overwhelmed all the steps a task takes that you miss once any a lifetime events- or literally not being able see any easier way of completing those steps, despite it being obvious to everyone else. The secondary effects of ADHD like despression, social anxiety, phobias, self-harm, hyper-vigilance, substance issues, panic disorders, etc. These things are are not akin to being a messy space cadet, who hates horrible jobs/tasks, procrastinates when they're uninterested, and talks spasticly like a manic-pixie-dream trope whom lost their phone and was already late twice this month. It really isn't.

@lococomrade3488

6 ай бұрын

Long story short: Don't self diagnose. Americaaaa.

@franjkav

6 ай бұрын

@@lococomrade3488if I didn’t self diagnose I would have never gotten a real diagnoses.

@lococomrade3488

6 ай бұрын

@franjkav No. You self diagnosed, and then you really got diagnosed. You being correct doesn't validate the experience. That's anecdotal and asinine, and you should want for other patients.

It's really annoying when I, as someone who spent over a year with different doctors and psychiatrists to finally get diagnosed with ADHD, hear people talk about how they too are totally ahdh because they watched a video. I've had many employers and professors completely disregard my diagnosis simply because they think it's just the excuse young people are using today.

@JessieJellybeans

6 ай бұрын

Why let it affect you? Having adhd isn’t a personality trait you can gatekeep

@ItssssJack

6 ай бұрын

​@@JessieJellybeans Have to second your response. As someone who received an, apparently, coveted diagnosis of having ADHD, I don't like the notion that I can't be as successful or avoid being impeded by it without medication -- something I feel I have done for 14-years now to be clear.

@matthewtyra3006

6 ай бұрын

Do you want people without a diagnosis that have ADHD to get diagnosed or not? Content that raises awareness is a huge reason more people are getting diagnosed and that’s a GOOD thing.

@litterbox2010

6 ай бұрын

... because it literally affects him and he explained how. "Gatekeeping"? You're one of those people who pretend to have ADHD and use it as a personality trait, aren't you?@@JessieJellybeans

@lococomrade3488

6 ай бұрын

​@jessieelizabethfleming6994 Found the self-diagnosed Zoomer.

Just wanted to say y'all have perfect bingeable content for my commute.

Yeah the ADHD trend sucks a lot. I’ve always had ADHD but my parents chose for me to not medicate through childhood. I have inattentive adhd, never really been hyperactive too much besides physical restlessness like tapping but that’s more than manageable. I just couldn’t bring myself to complete a task; I’d have to read my textbook and I could read the same page 15 times, trying my hardest to pay attention, and at the end of the page I can’t remember a single word. I’ve since tried medication and had good results with 27mg concerta for about 2 years, doing monthly refills. Went to my doctor hub to ask for a refill and they said I have to scheduled another in person appointment with my family doctor so that he can confirm I still have adhd, even tho he’s a fucking family doctor, not my psychiatrist. Soonest available appointment is 8 months away. So much for that.

i wrote my undergrad thesis on this and i reviewed the authors you mentioned plus many more. i’m glad to see this discussion on adhd as a representation of culture and environment taylor we for a wide audience because this understanding falls in the blind spot a lot of people have about psychology and pharmacology for many reasons. also, i think we should be asking at this point whether we should conceive of solutions to people struggling with adhd in changes to how our society and lives are structured and the demands expected from us rather than applying treatments to the individuals with adhd themselves. i would love to talk about this with people i spent dozens of hours researching it (plus i have adhd)

@IshtarNike

6 ай бұрын

Yes! Finally a systemic analysis. Honestly I hate how people act as if the world is always going to be this way and it's inevitable. The world has changed more in the last 200 years than it did in the last 10,000. But people act as though every single social structure we have is unchangeable. Or if we do try to change it society will collapse. It's bonkers.

Man I get it. Doctors keep trying to prescribe me things. But I just try to find coping methods. You have no idea how many times I restart KZread videos because I got distracted 🤣😂

this is an excellent video. really really good stuff.

I was diagnosed with ADD back when I was 6 years old but at 4 I had a head injury which gave me epileptic. So I was already on barbiturates so was never medicated for ADD until I was in my 40s. Now it's ADHD though and I had to get re-diagnosed. Lucky for me my mother was a nurse and taught me to live with it by creating repetition in my daily life. I'm now on concentra and I must admit it is a game changer.

I've found that background stimulation is great for me. I love having videos playing while I'm doing other things, it seems to help keep my mental momentum going between tasks.

We underestimate the role of working conditions in diagnosis. A huge part of diagnostic criteria for ADHD is whether the symptom persists enough to interfere with your "functioning". As productivity rates rise and wages/benefits stagnate or fall off, the threshold of "functioning" changes. People who would not have qualified for diagnosis in the past would qualify today without having different neurology.

@Purplesquigglystripe

6 ай бұрын

Also I don’t think anyone can actually focus for 8 hours straight without the help of drugs

Diagnosed ADHD at 8, 37 now. The longest I've gone is still calculating for some stuff. I'm out of sight, out of mind. I rediscover old projects all the time with no memory of them.

@D0TperiodD0T

6 ай бұрын

I prefer "out of sight... doesn't fuckin' exist" The refrigerator is my worst enemy, buying perishable food in bulk is a mistake 70% of the time.

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

You made me laugh, 'cause that us so familiar, although I do remember them and therefore get to beat myself up about the 'junk-ridden' part of my life.

@goldenealgefromdutchbros6834

6 ай бұрын

It sounds like you're dealing with challenges related to ADHD, particularly in terms of maintaining focus, organization, and continuity in projects. ADHD can indeed present difficulties in sustaining attention and memory recall, impacting various aspects of daily life. Here are a few strategies that might help: Use External Reminders: Employ tools like calendars, task lists, or reminder apps to keep track of ongoing projects and deadlines. Set alarms or notifications to prompt you about important tasks. Break Down Tasks: Divide larger projects into smaller, more manageable tasks. This can make the overall process less overwhelming and help you maintain focus on individual components. Create a Dedicated Workspace: Establish a specific and organized workspace for your projects. Having a dedicated area can contribute to better concentration and reduce the chances of projects getting scattered. Regular Review Sessions: Schedule periodic review sessions to go over ongoing projects. This can help refresh your memory and ensure that nothing important is overlooked. Utilize Visual Aids: Visual tools like mind maps, charts, or diagrams can assist in organizing information and making connections between different elements of a project. Set Clear Goals: Clearly define your objectives for each project. Knowing the purpose and desired outcomes can provide motivation and a sense of direction. Consider Professional Support: If you find that ADHD symptoms significantly impact your daily functioning, consider consulting with a healthcare professional or ADHD specialist. They can provide tailored strategies and, if needed, discuss treatment options. Remember, everyone's experience with ADHD is unique, and it's essential to find strategies that work best for you. If you have specific questions or if there's a particular area you'd like more assistance with, feel free to let me know!

@TocYounger

6 ай бұрын

​@@D0TperiodD0TI removed the doors from my kitchen cabinets to help with this!

@methos4866

6 ай бұрын

You made me look at my stack of Gunpla boxes in shame 😂

I was diagnosed by a professional, not some weird app. I was prescribed a medicine... which never came in. Pharmacy always said that they didn't know when the next shipment would arrive. It's been over 6 months since the prescription was issued.

I used this video as background noise for my morning rituals, thank you very much 😤

I'm sooooo glad i got diagnosed even if it was way too late. My entire childhood and youth i was told i just needed more motivation and better organization and while that's certainly true i also needed drugs lol... I never even wanted to take drugs. My problem was always not being able to control my actions and losing this entirely to drugs was super scary. But everything seemed so hard and i could just not understand how "normal" people would live normal lives without being completely miserable all the time. ADHD drugs don't cure all your problems and they won't make you focus on work all day. But if you got the right medication it can get you to a point where you feel like you actually have choices. It helps you take control of your actions at least for a few hours per day.

If I don't take my ADHD meds I see in double, I am unable to keep track of time and sounds take over my senses. In the past doctors told me I had depression. I did not. Once my current doctor, carefully and over time, diagnosed me with ADHD (and borderline dissociative disorder) and medicated me properly my life changed. I'm in my forties. Had I been properly diagnosed as a child I'm sure my life would've been much different. I get very offended when I hear people went to a clinic, answered 15 questions on a questionnaire and then are diagnosed with adhd. Get meds then go home and bounce off walls and power through all their work and studies hopped up on meds they have no business taking. It devalues the plight of people like myself that are truly disadvantaged by this condition.

@shelbykuenning2575

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, the meds should actually make you slow down. The fifteen question assessment is a joke, the ones with 65-100 questions are a much better tool.

Thanks for this video. I need this. I'm happy I finally got the correct diagnosis after struggling for years.

The stigma around having adhd and being medicated ruined my life, my parents knew I struggled but wouldn’t do anything about it because they saw doctors and medicine as inherently wrong or problematic. ADHD disables me. It’s often not super obvious from the outside. It makes everyday tasks unbearable. Being medicated as an adult literally saved my life. I was digging myself into a hole with debt and addiction, bad habits and a lack of good ones. My own partner thought I was being lazy or uncaring when I was really just struggling. Parents and teachers too. I hate the idea that people who are getting diagnosed shouldn’t be. Some maybe, but you just don’t get to make that judgement for other people. It’s become increasingly mainstream to care about and seek out help for your mental health. People being able to accept that they have an issue leads to self understanding when it comes to big emotions or tasks that are hard to start. It lets people be less hard on themselves. And I want that for everyone regardless of how messed up their brain is.

@TDOGGisawsome

6 ай бұрын

I want to add that while society does push for more productivity and that could be part of the reason someone feels the need to be medicated, it’s so much more than that. Even without that push I struggle with emotional regulation, taking care of myself, communicating within relationships, etc.. I’m not medicated to I can be more productive for others, I’m medicated so that doing the things I have to do doesn’t drain me of all my energy and motivation. I would have the same problems if I lived off grid in the woods

@juhokettunen8245

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

I’m glad this video came out when it did. I’ve had a long history with depression and anxiety and have never stuck with psychiatry/therapy for more than a few months before getting burned out from medication trial and error. My wife was recently diagnosed with ADHD and I’ve been watching a lot of these videos mentioned to get a better understanding and finding myself relating to a lot of it. I never suspected ADHD was the underlying issue cause I did ok in school (up until high school at least) and I thought my inattentiveness was due to social anxiety more than anything else. I have recently been struggling more so I started therapy again and I have a psychiatrist appt scheduled next week and this was something I planned on bringing up. Like most psychological disorders, it’s hard to narrow down exactly what it is due to the comorbidities they all share but I’m hopeful this time around thanks to videos like this.

The shortage is completely destroying the lives of a bunch of people who have been on these necessary medications for years, if not decades, and have been able to successfully function because of them. But now, suddenly without their needed medication, they are losing or struggling to keep their jobs, or homes, or meet their responsibilities and can't consistently maintain basic mental and physical hygene/health. It's far worse than frustrating. It's seriously really scary. 😢

Weird timing you know, something that's been on my mind lately(a couple of months now? maybe?) is how casually people toss around the term ADHD. It's a bit concerning, especially among my close circle. We talk about it as if it's this trend or a convenient label for any kind of behaviour, and it bothers me. I've got ADHD, and when everyone claims to have it, it kind of diminishes what it really means. It's like the struggles I face sometimes get lost in this sea of misconceptions. I wonder how we can encourage a deeper conversation about ADHD and its real impact without it being diluted by misuse or misunderstanding like this video, and for that THANK YOU MICHAEL! You da best bro! The research and all. God bless you and this channel.

Moroccan here with ADHD and other stuff, people suffer here really with three main things: -The costs, insurance sucks here mostly -Lack of understanding plus misdiagnoses -ADHD medication is not available here, you have to smuggle it from Europe, usually people smuggle it from France and Spain

My personal best for un-assembled furniture is four years...and I still have some shelves sitting around that need to be put up. I bought these five years ago. 😅

I think I'd line up behind the idea presented that ADHD uptick might be a symptom of the level of desperation in our society as the post-war social contract breathes its last across the Western (and especially anglophone) world due to the late capitalism pillow on its face. I'd say we feel that we're one mistake away from destitution, and society tells us it's our fault for not having sufficient #grindset to be of value to capitalism. This means that typical differences in cognitive ability like attention (say 1SD below the mean) while statistically is typical, is the wrong side of 'useful'/'good' in a society where anyone who isn't a Randian superman/woman is deemed as unworthy. So it's not surprising we feel the need for a diagnosis to make up for any below mean trait.

@ratsammich

6 ай бұрын

There is no uptick. Its confirmation bias. The global rates are actually pretty consistent. What has changed is that more of us who fell through the cracks before are finally able to get help, because the disorder is more understood and diagnostic criteria is more comprehensive. In the past studies suggested as many as 40% of adults with ADHD weren't diagnosed yet. Now we are finally able to get help, which can be mistaken for an uptick. We were always here.

@MrGksarathy

6 ай бұрын

Nah, ADHD at least is grounded in actual differences in brain chemistry and physiology. It's a neurodiverse condition, not really a mental illness. Our society has just become more and more hostile to people like me who have it.

this is definitely in the top 100 videos i've watched about a minute of

It's so strange. Growing up I was diagnosed with ADHD, back then I felt like I had something no one else had. Today it seems like everyone can relate with me. :D Definitely is nice to know that others have similar experiences with it too!