I had some Remington yellow jacket high velocity hollow point ammunition left over from a brick I bought when I got my 10/22 in the mid to late 80's. Recently got back into shooting. Gave the old Ruger a cleaning, headed to the range and the ammo worked fine, just like it did when Motley Crue and Cinderella were new on the scene. Rock on people.

When I was a kid living in Texas in the 70's I ran around the Big Thicket area with a .22 all the time. My dad usually bought me the bargain basement ammo too since we didn't have much for income back then. I was bringing in the dinner most of the time. Rabbits, squirrels, an occasional wild turkey and doves and such. I rarely had any misfires on my Marlin and I totally abused the cheap ammo. Carrying loose rounds around in my pockets sweating on them and getting rained on in hot humid weather, leaving them scattered and rattling around my foot locker for months. I went through an almost 30 year hiatus of not shooting my .22s while living in California mainly because I rarely bothered to hunt there due to their regulations and the short time I did was with my AR 7 before it ended up on their ban list shooting 20 year old surplus cheap ammo I had left over from Texas with no malfunctions. Now living out in the Arizona desert trying to retire with my new Ruger Mark IV and with my old AR 7 and Marlin I have to baby the ammo including the expensive stuff or I get misfires. Winchester Super X forget it 50% misfires or more. I found a handful of those 30 plus year old rounds in a tin in my old foot locker about 30 of them and cycled them through my Ruger with no problems. The .22 ammo made today is just garbage.

@FireSkittlez85

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty new to the .22LR scene but I'll definitely go on with that. I'm also gonna go out on a limb thinking there were ammo lines that were cheaper but actually performed better than the higher priced ones. If your dad bought the basement ammo, he probably knew a thing or two about it. Formulations for primer in .22 they know were ok but not perfect. It's always been an apples to oranges comparison with rimfire and centerfire as much as I've been reading more and more about it. Many anecdotes like yours share similar experiences while others know there are brands everyone loves to hate. It's such a small round that people like to invest in their curmudgeon with it and curse it but it's "cheap" at 2 to 7 cents a round for bulk boxes depending on where people got them. I can at least feel glad its a practice round and not a wicked dollar a round like some are today. Anyways thanks for sharing your story. Someone my lady and I ran into had a similar story with .410. Shot it all the time where they used to live in Oklahoma shooting rabbits and squirrels. Not exactly same layout in WA where I'm at.

@chiliwuililopez2911

2 жыл бұрын

@@FireSkittlez85 I have 410 Stevens 58c is good

i thought i had a massive crack in my phone from that wire hanging down

@talisikid1618

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@imwalkanhheeaaa7709

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is so cracked I didn’t even notice

@teotwawki00

3 жыл бұрын

😆😅🤣😂👍

@jumpninthedarkalley

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@renegade125anime5

Жыл бұрын

I did too, then i saw this comment lol

Just shot some Remington and Winchester X that my Dad got in the 50's and 60's. No special storage--just in the old card board boxes-but kept inside the house. 100 % fire rate. Some of this stuff even had mold growing on it! I have to think manufacturers have cheapened up their manufacturing process.

I have found that keeping a box of RF ammo in your car for a long period will cause several misfires due to bouncing and vibration. Storing ammo with bullet points UP seemed to almost eliminate that. This was tested over several years with ammo in the box or in revolvers. Primers down usually always fire. Bullets down had several failures.

About 50 years ago my grandpa worked at CCI when they were still Speer. He made bullets and later made some primers. I found a video on youtube that toured the facility and showed it to him. A lot of the machinery in the video was there when he worked there all those years ago.

@johnjohnson7576

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah they actually used to build things to last back in the day.Everything today is shit thats designed to break.Keeps America rollin....even though its all from china.

@SONOFAZOMBIE2025

9 жыл бұрын

I watched a factory tour of the Norma factory; they still use a machine from 1912 for the cases.

@GarretGoodbarrel

9 жыл бұрын

if it aint broke dont fix it ;)

@dlighted8861

3 жыл бұрын

Yep,why change a good thing?

Thank you so much 22 for your kind video. Although I do not own a .22 firearm, I recently fired one at a local firing range while attending a handgun safety class. Your views about this caliber did reflect on what I had gone through while using my instructor's .22 revolver. Although my aiming etc did pass with five stars, the reason for the failures was in fact week .22 ammo and some of it did not fire at all. I am a fan of the 9mm caliber and used my firearm to train on this morning. No missfires and each round out of 50 discharged successfully and hit the center of the target. Yet, I have to get me a .22 for target practice. Thanks again 22 and I will keep watching your videos.

My uncle has probably a dozen or so boxes of Remington yellow jackets and CCI stingers that are probably 35+ years old. I was shooting some gophers with them the other summer, and they were flawless.

We as consumers shouldn't have to worry about "being that guy". If the product is garbage then it needs to be known. Companies will continue to take advantage if they aren't called out. You can't trust everyones word, but I'd trust yours if you said a certain ammo didn't perform as advertised or as expected. Thanks for the great vids man.

@ivobiancucci4528

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't want to mention Winchester

@jawnlaughlin5

11 ай бұрын

He doesnt want to lose out on free stuff

Really informative, I never knew how the rimfire primer was set up. Thanks for your great channel and keep up the great work. Love the HD picture also. Dan

Another reason for miss fires is when the manufacturer puts in the priming compound it some times does not make it around the whole rim of the cartridge

Great explanation about the 22 primer misfire. never heard that before. Thanks Mike

I have come to respect what you say in your reports and I would say your talent with the firearm is quite remarkable. Thanks for both demonstrations.

Excellent video. Thanks for the great information. I've been shooting for over 40 years, and I just learned something. Kudos!

I have a bunch of old boxes of blue federal lightning 22LR that are decades old. Still shoots great!

Also, Keeping yout rimfire gun clean is very important too. A dirty gun can cause misfires.....

Back in the 50s when I was a kid we used to take 22 bullets one at a time and throw them against brick walls as hard as we could. Ninety percent of the time they went off, they sounded like firecrackers. Not exactly the smartest thing we could have done, but we did it anyway knowing it was dangerous. We kept doing it until dad found out and that was that. So kids, just because you get an idea don’t always act on it, we could have been injured or even killed.

@EdwardSnortin

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing bad could have happened to you. Without the pressure of the burning propellant being confined to a chamber and a barrel, the most you get is the pop of the primer and propellant. Same as throwing 22 LR in a fire. It'll pop but without a barrel to travel through and direct it, it wouldn't do anything.

@jamiesloan5902

5 жыл бұрын

You're exactly right, enemy. I started to tell him the same thing...

@deandeann1541

4 жыл бұрын

@@EdwardSnortin The bullets can fly fast enough to make a mark in plywood, certainly fast enough to destroy an eye. Maybe not every time but sometimes.

@dougjohnson5243

4 жыл бұрын

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@normanquan3239

Жыл бұрын

It’s all fun ‘n’ games till someone puts an eye out…

Great video! I always liked Remington Thunderbolts.. had a few misfires, but not many.

This video is very informative. Thank you 22plinkster.

Recently had trouble with a batch of Federal bulk .22lr.. Lot of underpowered and ftf. Contacted Federal and they replaced it including what I had shot. Replacement batch running VERY well. Great service.

Thanks for posting this video! I knew .22LR is more delicate that other cartridges just because of the thinner case walls but I never thought about dislodging the primer compound. I'm going to keep that in mind when handling rimfire ammunition from now on.

Excellent information and advice. Although I almost never shoot .22LR, this was most useful to watch. Thank you for posting this!!!

I store all my ammo in a closet, in sealed ammo cans with a clay dessicant packet. The dessicant may be overkill but satisfies my OCD.

@PeaceManBro

8 жыл бұрын

Definately not overkill.

@danefoss9679

3 жыл бұрын

Desiccants are a must for me in all my '50cal' ammo storage cans

Good info!!! I learned something about rim fire ammo today!

I don't know where 22 plinkster gets his rim fire primer information, but from what I've seen from manufacturers' videos the priming compound is inserted wet and the cartridge case is spun to cause this compound to lodge in the rim. This is done for safety reasons since priming compound cannot be ignited when wet. The gunpowder is also loaded into the case before the compound dries. If you strike the center of a live rim fire round it will probably not detonate because the compound is lodged in the rim. I stand to be corrected. Incidentally, some early lever action firearms did have dual firing pins for the larger rim fire ammo of the day.

Pro-Tip: Those oxygen absorber silica gel packs that come in boxes of new shoes, or anything like that, are really useful when storing ammunition. I keep a few in my ammo cans (work the best if theyre sealed cans aka have a rubber seal).

@kellyskinner101

11 ай бұрын

I vacuum seal 100 rounds and put them in a ammo can

This is very helpful information, particularly the misaligned primer compound, whichI had not suspected and could explain a number of my misfires.Cheers from the UK!

i remember the turn and refire from when i was in boyscouts. it worked every time.

The worst .22 ammo I found for misfires, duds, split cases and heavy fouling was Winchester Super X

@pagamenews

6 жыл бұрын

The reason I am here watching this video is because I have a Ruger Bearcat revolver that was giving me 1 or 2 misfires per cylinder of 6 rounds. Sometimes rotating the misfired cases did NOT work. The ammo I was using? Winchester. I was thinking that I might have to send the handgun back to Ruger for service - but decided to go back to the shooting range again and test other brands of ammo. Guess what? Remington Thunderbolts and CCI Min iMags worked 100 percent of the time. I hand wrote a note and put it in the box with the gun to remind me in the future to only feed the thing CCI or Remington brand rimfire ammunition.

@dontrustwhiteyevery1

6 жыл бұрын

Adrian Larkins Me too! I'm so pissed!

@biteme263

6 жыл бұрын

Hmm, oddly enough winchester is my favorite ammo lol. Never had a problem with it. What I hate is remington thunderbolt. I have never made it through a box without at least a couple of duds. Normally it is much more. And the bulk ammo for some reason is even worse.

@phillam1040

6 жыл бұрын

My Savage 64F works with CCI ONLY!. My brother in law 's Walther .22 is in the same situation.After he tested with many different brands CCI was the only one that worked.

@22tcm34

6 жыл бұрын

Adrian Larkins you are completely correct friend

Nice one...many people don't have a clue on just how a rim fire round is made or constructed. Thanks for bringing to the forefront a tidbit on why sometimes a rim fire won't fire. Oh, and speaking about age, since the 'shortage' of ammo, I have dug into old stash as it was all I had. I was firing Winchester Wildcats from the 1970's. Most fired with very little misfires. Again, stored in military type ammo cans and down in the basement out of the way of all dampness and heat sources. Luckily, the 'old' rounds have been fully shot up and am making attempts to replenish supply with newer manufactured ones.

That was really helpful, the last two I was not aware of

Thanks or the info! I never really thought much about the mishandling aspect of rimfire ammo. Granted, I don't mishandle my rimfire ammo, but I guess it's good to be aware that the priming compound can be dislodged internally. I shoot mainly Federal ammo, the cheap stuff, and found it to be very reliable. Cabela's had a sale on 22 ammo for $7.49 a brick back in 2003. I bought a couple bricks and still have some left. They still shoot fine.

I love cci, great ammo. I also use Winchester from time to time, no complaints from them either

I have a Savage bolt action Mark 2 that I've had for years and it is super reliable...it never misfired, never failed to function plus it was cheap..."Love It"

@22Plinkster you are awesome dude. Love your videos.

I bought 550 box of Winchester 22 hollow point and was surprised to see they were packed in loose bulk. I had many misfires and thought it might be my Marlin lever action, which never did this before. Your review is very insightful and I will now use ICC. I also shot many rounds of old amo 50 year old and never had a misfire with many manufactures. I guess times have changed.

You're wrong about the priming compound and rough handling. It is applied through a process called spin coating. If enough primer isn't spun into the rim, there can be a gap no matter how carefully it is handled, or isn't. THAT is the reason you can get a failure to fire with a good strike and be able to turn the round and get it to fire. The firing pin hit a part of the rim without primer. THAT is a big part of why they aren't as reliable and not recommended for self defense like centerfire rounds.

@arcanon5080

3 жыл бұрын

He should know he watched cci make ammo

@TexasCorgiGun

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense, like the people who does the shipping FedEx or UPS probably don't care much about been careful with the boxes. In that case all the rimfire ammo should have bad primers

Thanks for the info.

love your shop

Just want to share my experience with old 22 ammo. I had 3 shells blow up in my S&W 22 kit gun this summer. Two spit cases (which sounded funny when they fired) and then the rim blew out the back end of one and locked up the cylinder. The projectile fell out the barrel and landed on the bench. This ammunition was purchased back in the late 70s but it looks just fine and was stored well. I have older ammo that I've shot without a problem. I took the gun to a gunsmith to have the case removed from the one that blew out the back and they told me the ammo went bad. They tested the gun and there was no problem with the gun. I have never had 22 ammo split open before. The response from the manufacturer: "We have a one year warranty on our product from the date of manufacture but we generously extend that to 10 years if the ammo was stored properly." I have disposed of all my 22 ammo that is over 15 years old and the older ammo I only shoot out of a bolt action rifle.

I've had a lot of malfunctions caused by out of spec ammunition. Was having a lot of problems like failure to feed and extract in both semi auto and bolt action rifles, and stovepipes in the semi auto, even after the gun had been cleaned. I measured some of the unfired cartridges with calipers and found they were too large. Not exactly on the same topic, but it came to mind with the subject of lower quality ammunition.

I watched this video a couple years ago, I've been storing my 22lr upside down (label down, bullet head up) ever since... I recommend it, helps a lot...

Great info plinkster!

Awesome information. Thank you. Really mean it.

Good man. Interesting re the mishandling causing primer crumbling and movement - good point thanks

The key to keeping .22 ammo seems to be keeping it dry, for the most part. Temperature may be important also, but definitely keep it dry, and by dry I mean not in a magazine in a room that has an open window sometimes. When ammo was difficult to get because of the shortage, I had some that was less then two years old and I had 9 duds out of a ten round magazine, while the same ammo fired without any duds, because it was in an ammo box in another room that never had a window open. One of my friends keeps his in plastic jars with screw on lids, and his always fire great, many years old.

Great commentary enjoy the channel did learn some information about handling Rimfire ammunition good to know thanks

Great video. Solid and usable information. Thx

Man i learn a lot, thanks and congrats

I am not sure Pliinkster described the way 22 rimfire priming compound is put in the case is correct. When I looked into it some years ago, the case was already formed and a drop of syrup like compound was dripped into the case, then the case was spun at a relatively high speed for a short time to use centrifugal force to get the compound into the rim. This all happens very quickly as the cases move along on the production line. Obviously if the compound is too thick, or does not dry correctly, or is handled roughly (Like Plinkster said) it can come out of the rim at a certain point or leave a gap that if you are unlucky enough to hit with your firing pin, will not detonate the cartridge. At least that's the way it used to be done. If they do it differently now it would be a surprise to me.

@GetTheFO

9 жыл бұрын

There's an older video that I saw that showed them scraping a disk of primer compound into the casing. I'm pretty sure he saw the same one.

@northernmichiganoutdoors6276

6 жыл бұрын

JustSomeGuy you pack the compound it to the rim and put a drop of acetone

Very informative. Thank you Mr. Rimfire Man.

Good video and very informative! I found the answer I needed to several questions! awesome, keep it up!

Great video, very informative! Thank you!

Really good information...well done

i know you dont need to be told but you make the best videos.

Thanks for the info!

I have 22lr ammo from the 1920s an 30s, given to me with an old revolver I bought, about 1100 rounds,of it all I had about 40 to 50 rounds fail to fire, that's because it had been stored properly, the gentleman that gave it to me was elderly an had bought it as a case lot, cheap before the depression era hit, he was an oldtime trapper an knew how to survive an keep an maintain his eguipment.

I love the play dough visual aid. There is an awesome video that shows how .22lr is manufactured by the Ammo Labs from the Outdoor Chennel here on youtube. Well worth the watch.

Great topic... great video!

Love all the cci

I didn't understand why I felt so uncomfortable watching this until I realized you weren't wearing sunglasses.

Great informative video, thank you!

The only time I have ever had a .22 misfire was when I used some 30 year old ammo that I had misplaced. When I found it and tried it, it just didn't work. I remember reading about a man who was in his 80's, tired of living and tried to commit suicide with a .22 he bought in the 1920s. . the bullet stuck in his ear.

Great info - thanks!

Great info. Thanks.

Love your channel, and have watched many other channels with regard to .22 ammo. Just back from the range testing my new S&W compact .22. I took a variety of ammo with me to see what type my pistol preferred. I fired Winchester in a white box of 333 rds. Winchester Super X in a 100 pack sleeve, Remington Thunderbolt in a 500 carton. and finally some CCI LR in 50 rd. pack. I had 1 misfire with the Super X brand. The bulk Winchester and Remington fired perfectly. The CCI which I have always heard is about the best brand around, couldn't even fire two rounds in a row with out stove-piping. All of the ammo is less than 6 months old. After the CCI problem I switched back to the other brands and all worked fine. So I guess my CCI buying is over...

@PeaceManBro

8 жыл бұрын

I had a squib recently with that winchester 36 grain hp

👍 that was a great video great info. Thanks for posting. 22 fan and fan of your channel.

Thanx 22

Recently I used some old (at least 15 years) Thunderbolt 22lr ammo in some of my pistols. Golly jeepers, I had many rounds get stuck in the barrel and my semi autos often would not have the slide to all the way forward. Found out when I got home that the many rounds would fit very snug in the barrel. So it worried me that I just bought a bunch of Thunderbolt on sale. The new Thunderbolt has NO issues. Wow, was I happy to see that.

Well you are close. Actually the priming compound is in the rim of the case, not in the middle. When the firing pin strikes the rim of the case it crushes (pinches) the compound that is in the cavity in the rim, igniting the primer compound thus igniting the powder. Sometime the compound doesn't get all the way around the rim in the manufacturing process. That's why you can turn the cartridge so the the firing pin strikes in a different place and it will fire. That where the name rimfire comes from.

@tct72

9 жыл бұрын

There could also be inconsistencies in the thickness of the brass rim that makes certain areas of the rim harder then others not allowing the pin to crush it in far enough to ignite the primer.

@crobulari2328

9 жыл бұрын

tct72 How about head space??. Too much and the striker will not hit deep enough maybe. CCI and Federal are Allright

Going to necro a thread here, but I purchased 5, 1400 round bulk, Golden bullet ammunition buckets of a certain brand in 2010 for my 18th birthday. I used it for a long while then put it away and forgot about it when I could afford better ammo. In around late July this year (2018), I pulled it out of storage to teach my baby bros to shoot with. The bucket and a half I had left was full of holes from where mice chewed through the buckets and our hot, muggy Queensland weather had turned to brass green and some mould had started to grow. Even with the 8 years of disuse, mice, mould and poor weather, all bar 2 still fed and fired without a problem.

You're a true soldier bud.

Thanks for sharing...i didn't know that!..

Great info!

Very good info... thanks

Yes, I also thought that the primer was not a solid disk, but only around the inner edges of the casing. Otherwise it would be a huge waste of primer. However he may be right in one aspect and that SOME of the primer falls away from the edge leaving a blank area with no primer, therefore turning the bullet a little will allow it to be fired. The only way to be sure is to actually pull apart a round which didn't fire and try to "see" the missing primer as a gap. Perhaps a little dangerous? Thanks for your long explanation!

Thank you! I've had a few misfires but I'd just put it back in the magazine and almost all the time it would work the 2nd time. Now I know why.

Why would you not be "THAT GUY" You r .22 plinkster ! These companies making crap ammo should be called out and taken to task! Maybe then they would start putting out a better product.

@Venomousrl

3 жыл бұрын

he's talking about remington.

@chrisdowns422

3 жыл бұрын

@@Venomousrl Remington does make crap .22

All good points

Great information... thanks

Very good analysis video. While I do enjoy your shooting videos more I think this one was excellent. Sometimes good quality information on issues like this is hard to find. Keep up the good work.

@jamiesloan5902

5 жыл бұрын

michianashootingnews Just gonna take his word for it huh? Because he's a good shot?? lol Do some of your own research on .22 ammo production. You might be surprised...

Good advice.

very informative, thank you

Nice information

I NEVER dry fire anything. Bad practice. A friend and I both bought matching NAA black widows in dual ammo. his worked fine. mine would not fire every time with winchester .22 magnum. Careful study of the hammer firing pin(all in one) on mine it was rough. I polished it with a fine stone and it never misfires now. I have old winchester expert .22 that is 50 years old and it shoots just fine. I have very very seldom had .22 misfire. I had my colt official police .38 special(built 1957) misfire like crazy. hammer spring was weak. got a nice new one made with better steel than original from numerich arms and that cured the problem. good video.

I have a 22 H&R 686. Ammo is around 20 yrs ole. After this video i took the pistol to the range. Double whammy here , some worked great some didn't work so well. I saw another youtuber trying different types of 22 ammo. The ammo they pointed out as being junk , is some of what i have. Pretty funny Love these videos

Excellent video, I think the number one reason for rimfire - misfire is dirty/non-maintained firearms. I've shot 10's of thousands of 22LR mostly the cheapest ammo I could find at the time and have had great success. Of course, excluding my Remington 597 experience, which was a catastrophic fail of a gun (when it did work it was a good 22 platform).

The primer is not really a disc as it is more of a ring. It is dripped into the case then spun into the rim forming a ring.

Excellent !!!!! Most folks don't take into consideration that gravity and other factors can have an effect on how the 22 rim fire round could fail especially when the ammo is in a box of bulk with the primer compound being jarred or shaking loose.....

I have the most failures with Remington ammo

@philspaces7213

4 жыл бұрын

Donald Slayton I actually dont even buy that junk anymore

@chrisraven8682

3 жыл бұрын

Winchester I always have problems

I've had a ton of issues with Remington's rimfire due to loose bullets jamming in a semiautomatic firearm. They worked fine in my revolver though far from being match quality ammo.

@sik59rt

9 жыл бұрын

I have tons of problems with remington ammo in my Walther p22 but not in my 10/22. I've always thought it was because of the loose bullets

Cool reloading room.

I have several boxes of winchester wildcat 22lr ammo which my nephew who worked at a western auto store gave him because it was over 10 years old that was 25 years ago I have used it for plinking and even on gophers in my yard still have some and have never had a misfire.

And by the way, CCI mini mag was my go to ammo for years, their quality control is way down last couple of years. Have experienced FTF and seen it with others I was shooting with, even after being well struck. Been seeing this just the last 2 years, wonder if they changed manufacturing process. Prior to that I never had or saw a problem.

great video

I have quite a few boxes of Sears red box 22LR and 22 short from the 60's or 70's and 1 box of another brand still having the Kmart sticker that says $1.87, and they still fire fine.

Definitely i bought a rem.582 it had a gouge in the barrel bought a new firing pin shoots great now.

Agree with the firing pin. Although I know some guns wear do to use and not dry fire. I had a savage 17 HMR that I never dry fired. I bought it new. I put a couple thousand rounds though it and got to a point in would dry fire 1 in 10 shots. Sent it in got a new bolt and firing pin and worked fine after that.

I'm shooting amo that's 25 years old and its still shooting good!!

I learned something today. Thanks for this video. +1