Doctors: leave medicine Hospitals: shortage of doctors Med schools: make it even harder to get in Students: screwed

@pimpnorris2097

2 жыл бұрын

Let’s make standardized test more expensive and harder to pass

@saidchammas

2 жыл бұрын

@@pimpnorris2097 and add more application fees. TERTIARY APPLICATIONS

@sabar4473

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I always found this so ridiculous. I'm guessing it's at least partly because the docs that stay want to keep their power through their scarcity so they keep the stupidly high standards. But the patients are the ones who suffer the consequences the most.

@saidchammas

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabar4473 i had to pay thousands in application fees to apply to 22 schools, only to get rejected by every single one and having to go to a caribbean school -.-

@destineetheecreator9504

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly feel that if these programs and schools weren’t so hard to get into we would definitely have more of everything lol

For those of us in medicine who don't have start-ups or very successful KZread empires, leaving is easier said than done. That's also important to remember. The folks on KZread don't represent the entire field, although it is definitely something to point out.

@michellegordon3319

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I am sure a lot of physicians and students feel similarly but it also has to be realistic in that not everyone has something to fall back on or have the business “mindset” to be successful with KZread or other ventures.

@CreavtiveCookie

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for pointing this out. I second this

@andrewdavid4363

2 жыл бұрын

@IMPOSING MEDICINE dear sir/madam. I am myself an IMG. I shall be sharing my views only. Leaving or continuing medicine is one's own choice. I myself won't ask or check anyone for my choices. If I have to practice I would do so....if not I won't. It's all about personal choices and preferences. I myself quit practicing during pandemic and have recently resumed practice. I too hail from a very humble socioeconomic background and personally for me, medicine is not a profession for money making. If I were into making money, I would do what Kevin and some of my other professional colleagues have done....leave medicine and tend to my business(s). Stay blessed.

@sherylpowell7624

2 жыл бұрын

Having a portfolio career is another option. Some doctors reduce their hours ( part-time) and do other things i.e start a business, consultancy or something else completely unrelated to medicine. It makes a huge difference to their quality of life and wellbeing.

@thatwasinteresting3319

2 жыл бұрын

He never practiced medicine. He left during his residency

As someone who left medical school, I totally relate to the identity subject Kevin brought to the table. There is a life outside of medicine but getting rid of this identity that was built for years takes a tremendous work. If you are a medical student or a resident physician looking to leave medicine consider using therapy for your transition. It will help to deal with letting go of this identity. You are worthy regardless if you become a physician or not. There is light on the other side.

@mooninmycup6954

2 жыл бұрын

this is a lovely message.

@uritmom8777

2 жыл бұрын

This was needed!

@jonathanzav

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m kind of stuck doing medicine not really knowing my true passion. I hope my struggles pay off.

@zionreign5074

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanzav as we grow things tend to become more clear as the overall picture finds focus you’ll be able to see I more clearly. I hope this metaphorical expression makes sense. If not I’m sorry 🤦🏾‍♂️ but all in all things will make sense in time. I promise. Just stay open to possibility and pay attention to how you feel mentally and emotionally. Allow PEACE within yourself to be your guide on this life’s journey. Our intuition speaks so clearly to us all. It’s just a matter of being still in some moments and listening. Wishing you the much success and the absolute best this life has to offer my Friend 🙏🏾.

@jonathanzav

2 жыл бұрын

@@zionreign5074 thank you. I wish you be best likewise 👍

A lot of us enter medicine because we want to help people. But soon we realize there are ways to help others and ourselves beyond medicine - without burning ourselves out! Less good reasons to enter medicine are because it “pays well” and it’s “prestigious”, without realizing the hard realities! The high loans, the responsibility of looking after people’s lives… It’s a privilege, don’t get me wrong! But a reason I started my KZread channel is because I realized I can benefit so many more people through education than just my patients!

@akhileshakhil4390

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dr. Azmin, do you have a KZread channel on presenting the realities of medical field?.. If yes could you also provide details about which country are you practicing in and also at what stage you're at. Thank you

@DoctorAzmain

2 жыл бұрын

​@@akhileshakhil4390 Hi Akhilesh! I do indeed - it's the channel I'm commenting from (Doctor Azmain). I'm a junior doctor in the UK - 2 years since I graduated from medical school. I post videos about interesting medical conditions, life as a doctor, TV show reactions etc. Hope that helps! :)

@DoctorAzmain

2 жыл бұрын

@IMPOSING MEDICINE that's the way it should be! Once upon a time, university in the UK was free... That said, I think doctors everywhere should diversify their skills (e.g. education, coding, design, leadership) - there's more to life than medicine, and the more you learn, the better a doctor you'll be!

@chinchillamdgamer

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but if you need time to realize an architect doesn't help people, or an engineer, or an artist who makes music and cheers your day up. Also, I'm quite concerned the first thing you say is "the high loans"... You know that isn't an issue in my country and it's something that clearly shows where your priorities are. Almost US college students have loans. Popularizing this topic in such a way is really awful. Instead of focusing on how the situation could be improved, not just in the US. Don't take me wrong, hey I slept on the floor more than once during the clerkships, it's nice that current students don't have to.

@chinchillamdgamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@akhileshakhil4390 the reality is, that no matter how hard it is, how unpaid, and how physical and mentally exhausting it is... There is nothing else (at least in Mexico where PA's or RNs just don't exist) that can replace or even be close to doing what you love. Even if it includes smelling vomit, feces and blood and being underpaid. My mum kept asking me why I won't just go into another field coz I haven't made it into my specialty of choice. I asked her mum, there's nothing like the OR, she said other stuff pays as much or more, i told her, I'm not talking about money, it's doing that, there's no way I could be back in there holding a scalpel again. Just none. THAT is the reality. Every single profession and career, even a greedy CEO helps people in one way as a "side effect".

As a pre medical student this has been something that definitely worries me. I really want to pursue this career but seeing how stressed and overworked they’ve become in the last few years has been worrying me. I appreciate you taking the time to talk about this 🙏🏽

@WatchClock99

2 жыл бұрын

It's scary when the people that inspired you make a career change..

@primaveras1erra

2 жыл бұрын

I'm studying for medical school entrance exams too, and on one hand I was also worried about doctors leaving their jobs. On the other hand, it makes me more comfortable knowing that there's the flexibility of a career change. If there are a lot of doctors leaving, that should encourage hospitals to be more intentional about keeping us around. Doctors leaving just means more room for us up and coming students...

@steff6146

2 жыл бұрын

Hi! I'm a final-year medical student, and I think something you have to take into account is that many of these folks leaving medicine are creators. A "medical KZreadr" will have a lot of different priorities than the rest of us, they HAVE another career to turn to that will make them the same amount or even more money. For the rest of us with thousands of dollars in debt, we're not dropping out that quicky. Of course, the more "regular" med students/residents/physicians are also burnt out and considering changing careers. However, what I see more frequently is for people to switch specialities. For example, I know some surgical residents that have switched into family medicine so they can have a more stable 9-5. All I'm trying to say is, I wouldn't let this discourage you but it is important to think about. Medicine was already stressful, toxic, painful, and overwhelming BEFORE the pandemic. Now everything is more intense. But do know that there are many doctors still trucking along. Just remember to put everything into perspective. That said, I don't regret my decision, but it hasn't been easy - even as a lowly medical student. If you like any fulfilling career even slightly more than medicine, DO THAT INSTEAD. Hahahahah

@primaveras1erra

2 жыл бұрын

@@steff6146 This comment resonated with me

@shantnubhanwala5972

2 жыл бұрын

Don't pursue it , it's not worth it . Saying from experience , how govt and companies exploit doctors and medical staff. I am thinking about administration now

Definitely interested in seeing what options MDs and DOs have post-graduation outside of patient care / medicine. My current understanding: -Biotechnology start-ups -Medical Administration -Policy Work or Philanthropy efforts -Medical sales (tho potentially dubious) -Teaching Could you address the percentages of people go into each, changes in salary expectations leaving medicine, differences between options DO and MD (if any), and maybe the different opportunities available if someone went straight after medical school compared to completing a residency first? A few of my mentors left after a few years of practice post-residency and recommend at least getting to that stage before shifting to other opportunities but I would love your thoughts to minimize personal bias ("I wouldn't change a thing" since no one really regrets anything if they learn). Thank you always providing such high-tier content! Been on a tea binge since that last video and thoroughly enjoy the health and energy benefits. Keep up the great work bro!

@markm919100

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to second this, would love a video about all the possible things you could do with an MD/DO degree, even things that don't require it but could benefit from it like a type of business

@katelyng161

2 жыл бұрын

Thirding this! Would love a video like this!

@joha914

2 жыл бұрын

Fourthing this ! I left residency 4 months ago and now I'm jobless and broke

@AR-kp2yz

2 жыл бұрын

interested in this as well

@PuertorroMed

2 жыл бұрын

I left med school myself, would love to see this

wow watching your video is like when I was in pre-med, and asking for advice to my senior about things and how much it brings comfort from the advice, thanks a lot

If anyone is pre-med, I highly recommend you reconsider. I worked so, so hard to get in and it's just a life of misery and people convincing themselves it's worth it. Go into tech, social work, pursue something else. Med school is hell and it only gets worse

@dentaladdict98

2 жыл бұрын

I am in dental school and feeling the same way….

@flanagamer

2 жыл бұрын

But the money bro 🤷🏻‍♂️🤑💰

@JT-tx2ns

2 жыл бұрын

thank you for this honesty

@mertz313

2 жыл бұрын

@@flanagamer you can make a LOT of money in tech lol

@edhcb9359

2 жыл бұрын

LOL! Get a masters in social work and see where it gets you. Hope you like minimum wage! 😂

I'm a medical student in South Africa, and I can tell you that a lot of my classmates and junior(/student) doctors I know, including myself, are planning to leave medicine much "sooner than expected". And as you said main reason is Burn-Out. Our public healthcare system is severely burdened and under resourced and working as a doctor there is extremely difficult and exhausting (we're literally constantly cycling through periods of burn-out, anxiety and depression...for the sake of the publics' health🥴). And because of this a lot of us just fall-out-of-love with medicine and would simply rather do something else that fuels our other passions and doesn't drain us on a daily.🤷‍♀

@DrMocktopus1

2 жыл бұрын

Ayy I was doing Med at Wits but then I switched to a Biomedical academic route 'cause I think academia would be more fulfilling for me

@AGirlCalledNicole

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the struggle is real. Same here!

@lopj456

2 жыл бұрын

Bro you're a Studen wtf you talking about hahaha

@neol2535

2 жыл бұрын

@@lopj456 your comment is giving “I’m trolling” energy…hahaha.✨

@dawnshangase156

2 жыл бұрын

I may not be a med student but I have lots of friends studying medicine in their 5th and final years at UKZN also some are practicing. The burnout, depression and suicide rate is real and concerning. 💔

ER doctor here !!!!! You are an amazing entrepreneur you made the choices that made you happy (simple). I love going to work every single day, and I am thankful that I get to do so. I may be biased because in my case becoming a physician was not a choice that was readily available or close to me. I was an immigrant McDonalds worker and I achieve my goal of becoming a physician. I enjoy the brain challenge of medicine and helping others when they are most vulnerable. Money is not a reason why I did it. Even if you tell me I can run a tech company right now and make 2 million a year I will NOT, I will be miserable. Are there stressful days ? YES Are there very nasty and difficult patients? YES Will you sacrifice your peak year for hard work? YES BUT if it is what you like and enjoy with great compensation then.... DO IT !!!!!!! Sorry for my long opinion. Wish you all the best !!!! In case you don't know I do KZread as well but on the side as a hobby ;) !

@appollo1826

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your opinion. I want to be a Doctor for similar reasons.

@FacundoMD

2 жыл бұрын

@K Thank you for your kind words. And honestly I do have patients tell me I am kind etc. SO it is worth it. Last month I was in ICU and one of the patient that was recently extubated told he he thought I was a good doctor and that made my whole week it was great ! Stay safe

@FacundoMD

2 жыл бұрын

@@appollo1826 Nice !!! Keep it up, like I said is not easy, is hard but worth it. Your vocation will mean a lot, you will get pay well, you will always have a job, etc. Cant go wrong if you like it.

@jobis34

2 жыл бұрын

@@FacundoMD did you always like medicine this much? Did you ever doubt this passion? Did your love/passion for being a doctor grow throughout school and residency? Or did it start out at the ceiling and slowly get lower (or stay the same)?

@FacundoMD

2 жыл бұрын

@K Yay !!!

I appreciate your emphasis on helping pre-med and medical students consider what the actual doctor experience is. Very few people make an effort to do that. Thank you Doctor.

I was a General Surgeon for 10 years. Cracked the exams again and now in am pursuing Radiology. It's a lifestyle modification for me.

I’m a doc who left after intern year during the pandemic and found a career in management consulting happy to contribute to the vid in alternative career paths: docs can go into consulting, banking, digital health, pharma and more!

@kevinjubbalmd

2 жыл бұрын

Send me a message on IG and let’s chat

@MoratweMasima

2 жыл бұрын

Please share!

@FelloChello

2 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear about this!

@sarthakmehta5949

2 жыл бұрын

Please tell me more about it.

@ArabellaVictoria

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to hear more

YES YES PLEASE, MAKE A VIDEO WITH CAREER OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE LEAVING MEDICINE! I am currently about to start my fourth year of medical school, and the closer I get to the finish line the more I doubt whether this path was for me. Any concrete advice on what else to do without throwing away a whole medical education would be fantastic.

@wholeNwon

2 жыл бұрын

Medical school is just the beginning and certainly not "the finish line". If you have doubts now, do yourself a big favor and resolve them promptly.

@tylerxi3828

2 жыл бұрын

Currently a fourth year, didn’t match ortho soapd into EM. Medicine is abusive and nepotistic. Find something you can live with, start chunking away at your debt, get debt free, then find a new venture. Doctors are substantially more successful when transplanted into most if not all other industries. We learn how to work hard, not complain, think clearly in critical situations, communicate, lead teams. Clearly, a physician would be an excellent hire. Just thoughts.

@alphaaka3082

Жыл бұрын

@@purpleheadedmonster8735 Good luck bro

@karshinimkumar3821

3 ай бұрын

True, I just now finished my final year MBBS in India. Each day I try to convince myself every day to stay but its very difficult to breathe and I so badly wanted to change my profession where I can change people's lives and also not get drained emotionally.

Please go over the various career options after leaving medicine. I hear about people leaving all the time and I'm left wondering - to do what, with who, where, and for how long???

Hey Kevin, I'd absolutely love to hear about alternative options soon! As someone who was once pre-med and took the MCAT, i completely felt burnt out and am thinking of applying to PA school instead. I'm currently getting my masters in public health and am seriously rethinking about not going into medicine but maybe more towards the biomedical/biotech side. I absolutely loved this video and I hope you make another video very soon to speak about different avenues and career paths. Thank you!

Yes! Would love to learn about more options outside of medicine after medical school.

Please do make a video of what careers physicians exit to! Not just physicians, but everyone on the path. I think it would be very useful given the trends.

Being someone who left her Anesthesiology residency forever, i really needed that video. Thank you for explaining why medical profession is not a piece of cake. I left it because of immense pressure, mental torture and responsibility of someone's life on my head. Couldn't handle it all. I will not give up and do something better than this, as a source of living.

@hiba787

Жыл бұрын

I commend you Annie, I am at a similar phase, Could you tell me what you decided to do?

@100subsnovideos9

Жыл бұрын

I would also like to know what you ended up pursuing after leaving medicine

@whatsnew7139

Жыл бұрын

What did you do instead? 😊

@modernkhajiit

3 ай бұрын

Hi, I am leaving Anesthesiology right now. I still have few days to stop the machine but every day I wake up without going to this work, I don't want to look back. I loved my job to the point I changed places twice, and once I changed the city only to learn and do more and more. Finally PTSD after covid-19 killed my mind. I can't be a doctor anymore and I won't. And nobody seemed to appreciate my work anyway. There was only money as the the reason keeping me there. Enough, I want to have some life and I don't care about others anymore. Nobody even asked me how am I feeling at 3 a.m. bending over unconcious man vomiting with blood. They demanded that I know everything, but few were willing to teach me through all those years. Now when I ask anyone about their job, they know nothing and get money anyway. 😂 I don't care. I'm also open for opinions on another jobs.

@bobsmith6742

2 ай бұрын

That profession is ebing decimated by the use of nurse anesthesists. There can be many of them working under one anesthesiologist.

Hey Kevin, a video on other options one can pursue upon leaving medicine or CONCURRENTLY with a career in medicine (i.e. I'm an anesthesiology resident pursuing an interventional pain fellowship and hope eventually to have other businesses on the side) would be extremely helpful. Thanks and keep up the great work.

Yes please would love to see a video on the career options after deciding to leave medicine

This is exactly why I stopped pursuing medicine. When I was in my master's program trying to be more competitive for med school. I began to see the true work, money and time cost needed for medicine. The nail that really stuck it for me was when I realized I was working hard now JUST to keep on working hard later in life. I don't want to keep working my ass off for the rest of my working life. I had to have a heart to heart with myself and the truth is I want to work hard now so that I can live easy later on in adulthood and that's when I realized medicine wasn't the fit for my lifestyle. Aslo the identity thing was very cringe to me seeing students developed their entire personality around being a med student or doctor. Felt very clout chasy.

@chi-amaka

2 жыл бұрын

This is so me right now. I even declined on on masters because I am like hmm I’m basically going to pay 40k for a masters just to get into med school only because of my mcat score was the only flaw on my app. You can see how much of a financial scam everything is . The unknown is scary and realizing I probably don’t want to be a doctor anymore after thinking I wasn’t to be one since I was little is scary, sad, and life changing

@chi-amaka

2 жыл бұрын

Wanted*

@chi-amaka

2 жыл бұрын

The unknown is super frustrating to be in because now you have to figure out what you want to do

@charlesahweyevu

2 жыл бұрын

@@chi-amaka It is. There are many alternatives for science majors. You can be a clinical lab scientist, a histotechnologist, a nuclear medicine technologist etc. All these are allied health occupations that require schooling but if you already have a bachelor's in biology or some equivalent. You could skip the prerequisite classes. They don't cost nearly as much as med school. There's also PA school too if u still want that direct patient interaction. Personally I became a clinical lab scientist. It costs me 5k. It was a 2 year program. I only had to do a year. I make about 70-85k a year. There are ways to earn even more. I didn't want to throw away all the science I've worked hard to learn over the years but I didn't want to go med school or deal with patients directly on a daily basis.

@chi-amaka

2 жыл бұрын

@Charles Ahweyevu I just followed you on ig btw! Love connecting with people who went through or are going through the same thing as me. I am thinking of PA school though.

Kev is very well read regarding pattern recognition 👍🏻 , great book called “The Black Swan Effect” I finished pre med and had my burnout during the mcat prep. Never felt happier since leaving the torture path

@sgtForgione

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

Would love to see a video on Healthcare consulting right after completing medical school, with or without a residency!

@khadijanoor1781

Жыл бұрын

Yes plz

Hi Kevin. Another nice video by you. I am an IMG. Yes it would be very kind of you to make a video on various career options after leaving medicine or other career options other than the clinical side; do include basic sciences, public health, etc. Stay blessed.

I would definitely appreciate a discussion of alternate careers for doctors. I’m pursuing medicine but have always felt constrained by the path, so I’d love to hear your view of where else a medical degree can take you

@amplemedicallectures

2 жыл бұрын

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@elitenemysis6633

2 жыл бұрын

@@amplemedicallectures no

@andrewdavid4363

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Josh. Are you in medical school? Or are you preparing to take licensure exam for residency?

@pesimsmd

2 жыл бұрын

I too am interested in alternative careers

@tama3442

2 жыл бұрын

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Would love to see a video on alternative career paths for MDs! Currently on a year off from med school trying to decide whether I should drop out now and choose an alternate career, or stick it out and complete the degree. I do not dream of clinical practice - in fact, I dream of leaving it... and I haven't even started it yet! The idea of using my medical degree in a unique entrepreneurial way outside of clinical practice appeals to me. But I am unsure of how to exactly go about doing that, or if it's even worth it to continue to pursue a medical degree with that goal in mind. I feel like I've found my people in this comment section!

@HealthyHairJourney

2 жыл бұрын

Please follow your heart and intuition now while you are still younger. Life is to short to be Miserable.

@andrewdavid4363

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Isabella. It's totally your call. A friendly advice is to complete your MD. I mean it's a prestigious degree according to my opinion. With a degree in your hand you will have ample opportunities to grab at various horizons even entrepreneurship.

@brittgayle467

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdavid4363 most MD programs are incredibly expensive. Other useful careers exist.

@tama3442

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm spreading the Gospel around in much love ❤️ Have faith in JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOR for HE SAVES from hell❗️ *What is the Gospel?* The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 10:9 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. JESUS CHRIST can come anytime! Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS

@valenciodiaz2644

2 жыл бұрын

@@brittgayle467 yeah and most people are truly lucky while im stuck with med school (haven't been in one but my dad wanted it not me) which I wanted to do in the past but these days I wanted to be an IT student due to my love for computers and coding (I already graduated from a premed though)....

Sir, Doctor, thank you, you have singlehandedly brought to the table clarity, as I am a mature student wanting to become a GP and go to medical school. You are an honest breath of fresh air to Medicine, thank you

Thank you for this information. Yes! I would love to know whats out there for doctors leaving clinical medicine.

I’ve enjoyed your videos, but discovered them after already in an attending role. Interestingly, this video highlights how much you have to offer my cohort as your career and perspectives evolve. A video on “after medicine” would be great, but your take on many topics relevant to attendings would be more valuable than a lot of CMEs. I love my job (academic endovascular neurosurgeon)-I suspect you have some insights that would help people like me optimize our fulfillment. Bravo and thank you.

I'm so happy you found happiness and fulfillment in your life but Im sorry you had to leave "practice" to do so. As a Nurse for 37 years i feel blessed that I have never been happier or more at peace than i feel right now. I was extremely lucky in that i started working @MSK in NYC in 1985 and with the HIV crisis they needed volunteers to go out to peoples homes and i soon became a home infusion nurse and since 1990 thats what i have done full time(never went back to a hospital). The home environment is so completely different, not only in the setting but in the quality and its more holistic with a much better continuity of care. I have had some patients for over 20 years and i started seeing them when they were kids and i still see them now that they are married with kids of their own. I do see in social media many of my colleagues saying they are leaving medicine and it saddens me deeply. Asking me to leave Nursing would be like asking me to stop breathing. I have been married the last 21 years and have 2 teens. Yes., the job can be overwhelming at times but the rewards are 10 fold. I have made sacrifices along the way but thats how we live life when we are called to serve. I think it's because i am perhaps older but i never expected to have more "me time" and have never felt "burnt out". Nursing is not my job, its my vocation, my calling, my purpose and i hope that this doesnt sound pious or judgmental bc i do not intend it to be. There are many ways to care for and help others and i hope everybody can find their own niche to do so. But to me there is something magical and spiritual about hands on connections while caring for others that can never be matched in any other way. I am blessed in so many ways and BTW....the $ has always been another blessing. The freedom of making my own schedule has allowed me time for family/friends even though it is not as much as i might have hooped for. I pray all of you find a way to keep up your spirits and feel appreciated both with patient appreciation and financially. Im happy that you can touch others thru your social media to possibly prevent our colleagues from leaving medicine altogether and just find a different specialty or a different mode of caring for others. Great videos!!

I’m a med student getting my MBA as well! Would love to see a video on healthcare-tangential careers outside of direct patient care. I don’t think it’s always leaving medicine, but maybe just leaving patient care

@wholeNwon

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct. Congratulations on taking a broader view of the profession.

@benditonafilo1295

Жыл бұрын

Lauren, u're absolutely right. Many people choose Medicina just for the cash that career provides. But they can't imagine the challenges that career gives.

As a Sr Medical/Surgical Sales Executive, who’s started their own business, very well done and needed video.

I also graduated and left medicine and I’m not gonna lie a lot of the points in this video really hit home for me. I’d like to know what are some alternative career choices for doctors.

Yes please make a video on options after leaving medicine. Make a video on leaving medicine after getting M.D (during residency) and after residency. I'm curious what do they do if they don't have a successful channel like you do.

would love to see videos on careers after leaving medicine!

Wish a video like this was available when I was in highschool. Overhyped medicine way too much in my head, and being extra competitive person made me lost sight of what I actually wanted. Hope to leave this career before it consumes every aspect of my life.

@Neyjustin

Жыл бұрын

I waa aa competitive too, I would be confident but am really drained. I am currently a year and thinking to differ or change course

After getting the MD, planned of quitting, but still gave it a chance, so I practiced for a year then realized it wasn't really the field for me. So I left and currently getting my Masters in informatics. No regrets.

@waverider6133

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I’m sorry. That’s just really so funny to me. Good luck

Very helpful and reassuring as a medstudent. It's like telling me that the cake I'm working so hard to buy It's already rotten

I'd be curious to hear what kind of systemic changes need to happen so that doctors are less likely to feel burnt out! Not sure if that'd be better vid for here or your med school insiders channel though!

@ItWillRainXO

2 жыл бұрын

Better work conditions could be made drastically by increasing the number of residency positions. More people to share the work equals better work life balance for each individual person. There’s a bill in congress right now called the Resident Physician Shortage Reduction Act and everyone should call their congressperson to advocate for this!!

@CreavtiveCookie

2 жыл бұрын

It's simple. We want to feel that someone cares about us

Another reality that I don’t see cited often is the fact that over the years med school admissions has skewed more and more towards people from upper class backgrounds (see aamc data). A non trivial amount of students are from Doctor families and many don’t even want to be in medicine in the first place but are pressure or flat out forced by their families. I saw many classmates like that who were burned out from day one.

@wholeNwon

2 жыл бұрын

Admissions committees are not doing their jobs if they fail to weed out applicants like that.

That was exactly I was looking for. It would be great if you make a video on different careers that one can opt for after leaving medicine.

I’m a Covid resident, it’s all I’ve ever known. I lost family and almost lost my mom to the virus. I’ve risked my life taking on this virus. I know I’m suffering from ptsd and depression from this and my residency supports us 100%, so I can only imagine the ones that don’t . It’s so fucked up… I’ve looked up my leave policy so many times it’s crazy.

@jemimajanvier4706

2 жыл бұрын

I am so sorry for your losses, I hope that the sun will shine on you soon

@wholeNwon

2 жыл бұрын

During the early part of the pandemic when NYC hospitals were being crushed, I volunteered to return from retirement to help. I'm certified by 3 boards and have a NY license. At least I could treat pneumonia, run ventilators, intubate pts. and do tracheostomies all day. The state thanked me but thought, for the moment, that they had enough M.D.s and that the risk to me might be too high. I was willing to accept it but they were technically correct.

@bomcstoots1

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the PTSD club. I've had it since I was 7. What happens when society doesn't give a shit about you and the state raises you. You're accustomed to normal. I've never had normal. Be lucky you had normal. Now if I can find a doctor to actually do their job probably that would be fantastic. People don't stop getting cancer you know. So while doctors are doing bare minimum, they also rob people who have a year left to live, out of that little time left to do what you will have 50 years to do. I know I won't last much longer. It's like having a 308 in your brain, you can feel it moving around, pressing against nerves. Specially the trigeminal nerve, that one is a real bitch. I'd do anything to make it stop. That's why do many eat a bullet when trigeminal nerve pain comes day after day for hours at a time.

@norah3036

Жыл бұрын

You are lucky, at least you managed to save your mother

@stormybeach5211

Жыл бұрын

@@bomcstoots1 your life breaks my heart. I have several autoimmune diseases that’s incurable so I can relate. My PC Dr just resigned. He was the first Dr to really do his best to help treat me. I’m devastated and now looking through the jungle to find a new PC Dr. I wish you the best. There’s always someone in worse shape than me is what I tell myself.

Yeah, we definitely need a video on career options outside medicine after graduating from med school.

I was not able to enter residency and found my way up to clinical research and now I’m a drug safety manager making decent money. There’s always something new you can focus

@khadijanoor1781

Жыл бұрын

Can you plz guide me how to become a drug safety manager after doing mbbs

Same here. I hope people will start rewarding people working in healthcare more. Working in the hospital is like a battlefield. it is emotionally, physically, and mentally exhausting.

Yes please make videos on options after leaving medicine

Yes! A video on the options for medical doctors other than practice would be amazing!

Would love to see a video on what options MDs and DOs have post-graduation!

Lol this is so relatable. I love this video! I was forced into medical field but I'm thankful that I quitted early so I won't waste more money. Now I am in my most preferable field.

@dentaladdict98

2 жыл бұрын

What field would that be?

@zariyahcampos3565

2 жыл бұрын

@@dentaladdict98 I'm in computer science now.

All of those youtube doctors probably make as much money or more with youtube, so the incentive to leave is higher than for doctors who don't have those options.

@bobsmith6742

2 ай бұрын

And how do you know it? For me, the more enlightening statistics are that when many physicians actually calculate their hourly take home pay rate, it is often not that great. Plumbers in many parts of the country are doing better

Thank you for sharing this!

Thank you for your honesty!

I would love a video of career options after medicine for doctors!

Would love to see the options med students have that get their MD but don't want to continue with residency!

Kevin summarized the whole issue perfectly. Top tier content 👍

Timely vid. Finished medschool, passed the boards then took years off working in a far-flung community as the community doctor but eventually had to quit due to pandemic restrictions & other personal reasons.. now on the crossroads again whether to pursue residency or switch careers completely but cannot really consider the later due to the amount of time & dedication I’ve put into this. I guess I would still like to continue on this path but now choosing a specialty that have good work-life balance. To anyone on this path, premeds & those in medschool, goodluck & carry on if you really want it but if you have anything better you want to do then you might consider it first. If not, medicine will always be a rewarding career if you see your purpose in here ~ usually during clerkship year and few years of clinical exposure/practice will make you realize what doctor you want to be. In the end, be it in medicine or any other career it’ll always come with pain and sacrifice..the question is if that pain is worth risking for YOU. If not, it’s never wrong to look elsewhere!

@benjamingiuffria4446

Жыл бұрын

Im in the same boat, but what I have discovered is funding will not 100% cover a second residency.

Awesome video Dr Jubbal!

please make a video of the options we have after leaving medicine! one of my biggest concerns is leaving medicine and not being able to find a job with a good enough salary to help me live a comfortable life AND pay off insane medical school loans. Thank you so much!

Definitely make a video about what we can do after getting an MD or DO that’s not practice

It was my hardest decision that I’ve ever made to leave medicine/ clinical job after I have finished my Australian Medical Exam, got a job and start settling back in 2013. Then I joined my family business ( a very different industry). Nearly 10 years now and when I ask myself now that “Do I regret it”? Actually I don’t regret it at all :) I still love to update clinical knowledge & skills and sharing my clinical knowledge to others though. But I would never go back to the life of a burnt out doctor. Really respect to all clinicians cuz most of them don’t even have time to take care of themselves and their family :)

@user-tp7dh3bc7s

Жыл бұрын

Are u Doctor and left med school

Please do a video on the topic what do to after med school if you're not pursuing residency! Would be interesting ☺

Definitely a video on alternative career choices after leaving medicine

The most frustrating thing is the fact that the health care system has a deficit of doctors, yet they won’t allow more applicants to join Med schools and they don’t provide the tools needed to stay in medicine long term. It’s like an exhaustive process where you’re burnt out physically ,mentally, and financially with no light at the end of the tunnel.

Yes please make a video on options if you leave medical school.

As a nurse for almost 30 years, I find stories like this fascinating. I respect this experience, but can't identify with it myself. As an alternate experience, there will still always be those that show up to care for the sick and injured....because it must be done.

As a medical student, my goal is not only practice medicine but spend time overseas in Global Health as a mission doctor. Global Medicine is my top reason to enter medicine as well witnessing couple countries where there is a lack in essential necessities. I know many doctors have done this and despite the stress and difficulty, they are more happier and forfiled than any doctor in regular pratice. I pray that those interested in medicine I pray that all will enter and be satisfied in what they do knowing that all is possible to chase the dream.

@eh1095

2 жыл бұрын

I want to do something similar, is there a certain path or plan you have to achieve this goal?

@bettysmith4527

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is paying the student loans doing this, is that possible?

@josechacon6015

2 жыл бұрын

@@eh1095 Hi there, what I did was get into connection with some medical mission organizations. There many, both religious and non alike, and let them know you are interested in medical missions and they will give you the info for doing that and even allow you to do short term( a week or 2) or long term( at least a month or so). The other option is form you own and have a mission mentor that can guide you the way. Lots of work but surely worth it. Hope this helped🙏🙌

@josechacon6015

2 жыл бұрын

@@bettysmith4527 hi there, it’s very possible. Although it might be a slow process to do that. What I would recommend is maybe a short term( a week or 2) to start while making payments. As soon you are able to make payments better then you can increase your time. As mention it will be a slower process but little by little or can be possible. Hope this helps🙏🙌

@natew6203

2 жыл бұрын

@@josechacon6015 what specialty do you think you'll do?

Yes! Career options after leaving medicine, please!

Interested in what options there are if one leaves medicine. It’s just too much work and too little monetary compensation when you compare it to the amount of work and stress of making life changing decisions. I am saying this after being in practice for 18 years post my residency, doing fellowships, specialised trainings etc etc

Yes, would love a video on career options for docs. Thanks

Yes! Please make a video on alternative careers after leaving medicine. Thank you :)

Yes I am interested in a video about career options after leaving medicine

Very informative. Thanks for the upload

Best wishes to all of my fellow physicians, residents, fellows and medical students. I practiced for thirty years in anatomic and clinical pathology with the last twenty-one years as a medical director of a hospital laboratory. Borrowing more than $200K is absolutely not worth it. The hospital bureaucrats, state and federal government bureaucrats and the avaricious sleazy tort lawyers absolutely do not care about any of us and absolutely enjoy abusing us for their own enjoyment. The presiding bureaucrats and board members at my last hospital would do an annual board retreat to some exotic location every year where they would spend lavishly on themselves. The enactment of federal Obamacare in the USA has lead all medical workers including all physicians, surgeons, obstetricians, pediatricians, radiologists, anesthesiologists and pathologists being treated as completely expendable really no better than housekeepers in the eyes of the hospital bureaucrats and board members. The fact that most acute care hospitals in the USA are not-for-profit makes no difference. Presiding hospital bureaucrats love their lavish salaries and bonuses!

@tama3442

2 жыл бұрын

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@davidtrace3311

Жыл бұрын

When you say “hospital bureaucrats,” who exactly are you referring to?

I think it's a great video idea to do non-medical career options to get into, not just for med school graduates, but for people in general especially people who are early in undergraduate school that don't know what career pathway they should take. It'll be really helpful to go through jobs like investment banker, data scientist, healthcare consultant, law firm partner, etc. to provide pros and cons of those career routes. There's a lot of misinformation about high paying jobs that misdirect people to being a doctor and websites like US News and World Report don't help the issue as many of it's listings include physician and dentist jobs.

What sad is how much work and life commitment it takes to get here and walking away. You can say it’s part of life’s journey but while your worrying every night and studying you aren’t living at all and this no journey for that human

M2 here, hanging on bc patient contact is the only fulfilling part of my med journey so far. Plus everything I would want to leave medical school for is in shambles bc of COVID (music, films, cooking). I been broke/in debt all my life and ironically enough I’m living better rn on loans than I ever did back home or when I worked 60 hours a week lol

you guys got me into med school and now your leaving , damn i feel like I've been fooled 😂😂

@zohashahid30984

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@12ii345

2 жыл бұрын

+1

@nellanoirMD

2 жыл бұрын

saaaame

@wholeNwon

2 жыл бұрын

you're

I love your videos. Personally my family has witnessed haveing to find a new doctor as several of ours had severe burn out by there own words at fairly young ages. It's so sad. Recently had 2 who left large groups due to admmiinnistration issue's. We are allrready short of doctors in my ciity.. thanks for your educating us

7:00 and this pattern recognition applying to identity leads to a lot of the imposter syndrome in medicine. also, i think the failiures of management during the covid pandemic really illuminated the issues realated to the buisness of medicine (including edu/training path and practice of medicine). plus the rise in entreprenuership and emphasis on lifstyle/building wealth seen in more practical careers like compsci/consulting leads to burnout and aspirations of career change. the problem is there's not a system built around healthcare providers that would simply allow them to practice medicine in whichever facet in comparison to working at a tech company like Google (making good money out of college or even w/o college, good lifestyle, good company culture, good community, etc.).

Yes, please talk about the different alternatives after leaving medicine

One thing I don’t hear a lot of people talk about, is that medical schools recruit well-rounded students (volunteering, interesting extracurriculares, etc.) but then once you get in med school/residency/first years out of residency, you don’t have time to be well-rounded. You will have to pick and choose between the things you have already invested time in and like to do so that you have enough time to work/study. I personally feel this largely contributes to burnout and why people end up feeling medicine is their whole life

Yes. Please make a video about options for students/doctors when leaving the profession.

Yes please make a video on possible career paths after leaving medicine!

Maybe the solution to the burnout problem is for doctors to not only be seen as the hero’s, but treated like ones. Which includes having a ranking system of doctors, having not to deal with red tape, and getting to wager there services to the best hospitals. Give them control of the job, substantially increase the amount of students admitted by medical schools, and give tons of incentives to keep doctors in their practice longer. As and aspiring physician, nothing makes me more sad than to see doctors be exploited to the point where the patient becomes secondary and care is contingent on wether or not the doctor is burnt out.

Awesome video Kevin!

Yes, would appreciate hearing the potential careers for MDs that are "not medicine" or are not the classical idea of "physician"

YES! - Please make a video on options for leaving Medicine!

I also dropped out of medical school. Was a tough decision but ultimately people should choose what they feel is right for them

Please make that video about options that you have leaving medicine. Especially regarding start-ups or how to combine coding with clinical expertise.

@cezarbarbu

2 жыл бұрын

And how to make the most out of the time already invested (in order to avoid the sunken cost)

hi kevin nice videos could u make a video on med students who dont even get a residency or the percentages or the timeframe to get a residency and how people are paired into residencies

A video about career opportunities for people leaving clinical medicine would be great!

I remember this subject being discussed in "old" media back in the 90s / 00s. Back then, it started with the intrusion of insurance companies, and then continued with the sudden tsunami of foreign doctors. The foreign doctors were paid less and not respected, then it seemed all doctors were paid less and not respected.

@Sparks95

Жыл бұрын

history definately rhymes

Hopefully something encouraging to those thinking about med school. I just finished my first block of medical school and loved it. Plenty of stressful moments, but I never felt like my life was mundane. There was a lot of joy in studying and working towards something that was difficult. I've had periods of my life that were much easier, but were way more of a drag. It's actually the challenge that has made medical school so awesome. It forces you to be focused and work. And while not everything you learn is the most useful, medical school and the career gives you so many unique opportunities that can be awesome. I was worried it would be too much, but a big part of medical school is not making it your identity. My best days and exams correlated with being content with the work I had put in and having grace with myself. Just know a lot of people say a lot of things about medical school, but it might just be the best 4 years of your life. We'll see how the journey continues. God bless

@johnlemma401

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahhahahaha 🧎‍♂️💨

I studied electrical engineering and now I started to be a good software engineer and in future I want to have my business and be a boss of myself and your videos inspire me that for starting never is late.

It looks like you were at Loma Linda for plastics? That's so interesting because when I was a resident there, a colleague of mine also quit LLU plastics residency to focus on his other ventures!

Kevin you should definitely make a video about careers after leaving med school because like you said many of us feel stuck once we’re in

Would you be able to share options for medical students who graduate with their MD/DO and dont pursue residency? Also, how long does it take to transition to that nonclinical role? Thanks for the great video!

@dju1719

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, please do!

@riyadidwal8152

2 жыл бұрын

Can I ask you what are the job opportunities after mbbs?

Thanks for the great Video.. it's really well balanced and researched. I'd like also a video about alternative.

Yes! career options video!