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One of the most popular upgrades in the Volkswagen world is a high pressure fuel pump upgrade. Back when I had my Golf R, the tuner would not do stage 2 or stage 2 plus tuning profiles without an upgraded high pressure fuel pump from APR or integrated engineering.

Like always, sharing good info with the community. Much appreciated.

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

You are welcome.

That ws very interesting and informative - keep em coming ;)

Thank you for the video. Good information 👍🏽

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

Thank you for watching.

Great video!

Just for everyone i think at the part numb around the 11 minute mark he switched the pumps Upgraded vs stock, like at the beginning he explained the right, basically the one in the vice is the Upgraded one 2GTA0

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, sorry about that mix up.

Great informative video! I'm new to the VN world. Just got mine 3 weeks ago. 21 DCT. Could that strainer be semi clogged? I'm not getting any lights and haven't checked with a scanner yet, but the car seems underpowered. I've seen other stock VN able to light up the tires and mine doesn't in any mode or condition except rain. I know the car isn't a GTR but my launch control 0-60 times are consistently in the mid 6's. Best is 6.6. I'm not sure how the previous owner treated the car so it could be that they were just running 87 gas and I need to clean some stuff up.

@TorkMotorsports

25 күн бұрын

Yes we have seen those small strainers get small pieces of debris inside of them. They are so small that even something the size of a pencil tip, will reduce volume into the fuel pump. Those are some pretty slow 0-60 times, I would get a shop to look into it.

Great video, question i cant fint the other video you mentioned in this video

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

Let me see if I can find it.

You mentioned you did this to your stinger. Seems simple enough, I do the same kinda thing to shower heads cuz I want all the pressure. I'm assuming if the ecu isn't tuned for this it wouldn't add power but maybe it could potentially prevent going lean in certain circumstances? Being that I have your ecu tune would you recommend doing this?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

The ECU actually likes this mod. F8el trims valance out and corrections seem to be less.

All that matters in the filter is the ID. That's will alter the volume totally IE. the pump inlet is say .280 in both pumps and that will dictate the volume of fuel that can pass so even the high pressure pump is limited to the diameter for fuel supply and the diameter of the id of the screen.

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

Bingo, we have a winner.

good video, thanks for the tips. BUT WHEN ARE VELOSTER N BLACK OIL CAPS COMING BACK IN STOCK HAHA

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

LoL, oil caps are an unknown right now.

Can you do this on the car? Looks like it can out with ease. Is there anything behind the filter like a spacer that needs to come out too?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it can be done "on the car".

I'm thinking purchasing upgraded hpfp and removing filter. With stage 2 tune and stock turbo. Any thoughts on this set up?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

It should be a great set up.

I think a lot of people in the community would like to see some testing / comparisons. Despite having a larger piston diameter and what appears to be a better filter, some people in the VN community still believe that the sonata pump is a downgrade to the stock VN OEM pump.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

I mean... the proof is right there, the pump is bigger. I have to be the only idiot that would cut up a brand new fuel pump to show this to people.

@robb_vn

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports maybe the testing should have been performed before the cutting then. Just saying, most aftermarket parts or upgrades will offer information regarding percentage increase/flow; i.e. I'm not going to buy just any downpipe because it's a larger diameter, I want to compare vs others. It would be nice to know details/specs, that's all.

@telelaci2

Жыл бұрын

I think people won't see any testing and comparison video, because the above video is a silliness. The fuel pump would be the restriction only after serious tune, ECU remap, sport exhaust, GPF delete, new intercooler ... so on. When your car is already 370 hp after that tune and you want more. You want better oil cooler, bigger turbo and better fuel pump. But you have already spent thousands or dollars on your i30N/Kona/Veloster/Elantra N tuning. Why would you choose an amateur method, why would you buy a Sante Fe pump and remove filter (jeeez) ? You can buy i30N TCR oil pump (Hyundai Motorsport, about 900 USD in the shop), it's a direct replacement of the original. Removing filters (!) is not the proper way to tune your car, a little bit questionable method. "If you get debris all the way up to the fuel pump you got a whole lot of other problems..." - this is not very well founded an clear speculation. If you get debris and it's not filtered out then the pump will be damaged + the debris will be injencted to the engine. And by the way a stock car don't want more fuel than it gets from the original pump.

@LordHolley

Жыл бұрын

​@@TorkMotorsports And it's appreciated...

Same as the water supply to your home for every one eighth in diameter doubles your supply

How can I do this to my G70 3.3T? I bought 35320-3L000 hpfp but I think lower pressure side shape something different. There are no filter in lower pressure side.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

There is a filter in the lower pressure side, its just buried in the inlet of the tube. I do not think this fuel pump works for the 3.3 Stinger or G70 to get a higher flowing pump for those cars, you need to get an aftermarket pump.

Nice info. It would be nice to have upgraded injectors.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

No need, the factory injectors move a massive amount of volume.

@noeljrobledo5301

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports yes i understand for certain amount of hp. But if aiming example 500hp + could it hold up that kind of volume?

@vroomgc

Жыл бұрын

@@noeljrobledo5301 The internals of the engine may not even hold up to that much hp or the dct or lsd.

@Adr_Jim

Жыл бұрын

​@@noeljrobledo5301 Coming from Mazdaspeed 3 that has roughly same fuel system.. it is good for 350/380WHP more than that you will need auxiliary fuel meaning adding more injectors.

Is this able to be done on the gen 1 VT pumps? Or specifically for the 2.0 pumps

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

I have done it to a few vehicles that have larger turbos on them with great success.

Good to know! What is the max horsepower the stock pump is good for?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Unknown, some say 320 WHP, I have seen 340 WHP by doing this filter delete. If I am correct, I believe the Korean tuners have managed over 350 to 360 on the stock fuel pump without any issues. There is another critical flaw in the fuel system that I will be discussing and doing a video of here soon.

@user-tv6nx1df1o

Жыл бұрын

Is it safe for the engine to delete this filter?

Would be keen to see inside the head of the pumps since you have already cut them open.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

They are both the same, I cut them apart but did that after the video.

@trentmeyer23

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports Could quickly add a look in a future video? I have not yet seen inside one.

i have a 18 Sportage SX Turbo w/ AEM intake and custom catback exhaust. Where or what tune could I find for it. I would like to get more power. Would I see gains doing this mod without a tune?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

I would need to see what ECU you have in your Sportage?

Golf for the g just saying but awesome video thanks for cool tip on easy HP upgrade

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

You are welcome.

I Accelerated and the car shuddered from 2 to 3rd. Then it never happened again after I turned car off and on. I’ve noticed a lot of people had this same issue. So I’m assuming it’s the hpfp.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Spark plugs have a huge issue with the shudder. On the rare occasion, the injectors can be problematic.

Sure would like to see that video talking about that restriction from the fuel pump to the injectors..... Six long months.....lol.

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

I have to decide if I want to give it away for free, because the second that I do... other will claim they figured it out, lol.

I want to see it dynode before and after. I have no dought it makes a difference and can only imagine the difference with extra mods at high RPM

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

I think I have some before and after dyno results, I will see if I can find them.

@crushthis123

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated@@TorkMotorsports

@ptiscool3334

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports Any word if you could find the dyno numbers?

@therustbucket8095

Жыл бұрын

Would this also be applicable on the 2013 veloster

@crushthis123

Жыл бұрын

@@therustbucket8095 no idea

will i see any difference with taking out that mini filter out on my pump. Im driving sonata 2.0 turbo. My stock pump is 35320-2GTA0. Can i use pump from 2.4 gdi for my 2.0turbo??

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

I would say yes, the mini filter can help move an additional 6 to 8% more fuel into the head of the GDI pump for compression to higher pressure. I don't know if the 2.4 will cross over to the 2.0 or vice versa.

Will this work/fit the previous Theta II GDI 2.0T engine? 2017 Optima 2.0T GDI engine. Would this pump be an upgrade for this vehicle as well or should I stick with a stock pump. Ive searched forums and vids but cannot come up with a definitive answer. Thanks for any help or advice.

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

It should, but we would need to cut apart the 2017 fuel pump to see it was smaller.

@sapsaz7102

10 ай бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports My factory one maybe starting to fail. Would you recommend just replacing withe the factory one for my vehicle or try one of these " upgraded factory pumps". I understand without turning, no performance gains will be there. I'm just looking for longevity and reliability. The electronic regulator portion should be the same correct?

if i removed the filter on my stock one would i need a tune to see any gains ?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Only gains to be had HP wise would be with additional tuning.

Does the high pressure line to the fuel pump need to be replaced once disconnected? I've seen some saying the fitting for the line are one time use and the line needs replaced once disconnected.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

No, fuel pump can be connected and disconnected as many times as you want. The reason people say its a one time use is because they do not know how to disconnect them and break the release tab inside of the line.

@slow_rednline4874

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports yep

I have a Stinger. Does the fuel pump have the filter too? Will I gain anything if I remove it

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes

What about the "Motorsport" spec HPFP ? How does that play into this comparison? it was scarcely available where now it's basically unavailable. It basically offered the same flow characteristics up until the very top end demand. Funny enough, the Elantra N HPFP has better flow characteristics down low compared to the "upgraded" Sonata/Optima Turbo HPFP. I would like to know "numbers" as far as flow rates of all three. I'm sure many of us would.😮 😮😮

@TorkMotorsports

8 ай бұрын

I have looked into the Motorsports pump and they seem to have the same piston diameter at the one listed in the video. However, the peak pressure can be ran higher with the motorsports pump because the internal check valve is rated at a much higher open pressure, thus allowing for more aggressive injector pressure levels. For flow rates... you would simply have to take the piston diameter differences, get the inlet pressure/flow and a little math. I can try to figure that out for the community, but... there is to much tuning that is involved with making for a great pump upgrade vs just slapping a pump on the car.

So is this is a comparison of the oem Veloster N pump (35320-2GHA1) vs. the oem "upgraded" Sonata/Sante Fe HPFP (35320-2GTA0) ?

@joshlambert9100

Жыл бұрын

Yep keen to know what the “upgraded” pump is in this video?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

its the Tucson or Sonata factory fuel pump.

@joshlambert9100

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports ok great thanks. Am currently running the Sonata HPFP in my i30N (same platform as Veloster N).

I have just one question. Could you tell me, how did you remove the spring/piston part from the pump? Thanks!

@hhn2002

Жыл бұрын

i imagine its a lot like removing the retainers like you would from valve springs. look up valve spring removal to get an idea.

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

Cut the lower cup off the pump in a lathe.

Do you have to replace the fuel line when disconnecting or can you just reuse it

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Just reuse it.

Thanks.

@TorkMotorsports

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome

Got any updates on fuel pump upgrade for the Kia stinger?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

The in tank upgrade? I have been running two cars with modified systems for the last 5 to 6 months. I want to modify one more before I say it's a go.

@mikevenson7818

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports Yes sorry intank upgrade you said in one video you were looking at a audi fuel pump for the stiger if I remember correctly. And thanks for all your hard work in these kia cars

Hey brother thanks for the video I have 2019 veloster n and I only have cold air intake and 3inch pipes and exhaust would I see any changes in HP since I don’t have a tune ?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

You would not see any changes in HP with just the fuel pump. The fuel pump becomes an issue when you start tuning the car.

@vegasdavis5404

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports ok thanks for the response

Is there an upgraded hpfp for the veloster turbo? 1st gen?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

No need considering you can get 400 WHP out of the OEM injectors and fuel pumps.

I'm guessing the other restriction you are referring to, is the one in the end of the fuel rail?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes, fuel rail has a massive restriction inside of it.

@trentmeyer23

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, upgraded pump outlet is approx. 4.5mm and the rail inlet is approx. 1.5mm. Any theories on why they would have done that? Emissions?

@W2designs

Жыл бұрын

Is there a recommendation for the fuel rail as mentioned here?

@apm3rk

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports Is there a way to remove that restriction?

I know you touched base slightly on it. But what happened if you remove this filter and something does get all the way to that point ? What damages could be expected ? I’m just trying to way out the cost of $500 or the risk

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, the particle would have to be so small that if it were to get into the fuel pump, the compression part of the pumping system should pulverize the particle into microscopic pieces. If not, it could clog the fuel pump, but a part that big, would clog the filter anyways.

@rgbedits7026

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports so pretty much risks are you ruin the fuel pump and just have to upgrade now

@slow_rednline4874

Жыл бұрын

@@rgbedits7026 pretty much

@crushthis123

Жыл бұрын

What risk the system is clean at this point. I think its in there in case it has debree in it from assembly.

@youcangetsum6871

Жыл бұрын

@@rgbedits7026 how is it considered ruined just from taking the filter out?

I'm trying to decide if this is worth doing to my upgraded HPFP on 2023 EN

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

If you get a tune, its damn near mandatory.

@daenigma

10 ай бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports I meant the filter removal, I already got the upgraded pump...

340 hp. are there any other mods to the engine or is it stock except for the removal of the screen

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

This is stock with a tune.

Next question. Is there another upgraded pump after the sonata pump?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I believe that two other companies have upgrades vs the Sonata pump. However, details on these pumps is not available other than they make claims of increased flow.

@ngrinshift4383

10 ай бұрын

Any info ?

What size sheet metal screw did you use?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Unknown, sorry.

Downsides to removing the filter ?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

I cannot think of any. I mean, if you got any debris in the fuel system up to this point, it's already made it through two other filters, and that would mean a catastrophic fuel system failure. If I am being honest, ever one of these filters I have removed, I have yet to see any debris in a single one.

Would this work on a 2013 veloster

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes

I wish there was a HPFP upgrade for my 2012 kia Optima SX

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

Not sure if it needs one.

Will it help a stock engine? Like the 1.6T

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

That is actually a really good question, I will make some test pulls on the dyno and see what kind of results we can get with this removed on the 1.6T engine.

@tedtedness184

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports I would like to see what you find out on our 1.6T cars. Thanks, keep these videos coming. Great info many of us done know about.

Hi, can I do this on my 2022 Hyundai Kona N ty?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes, we just recently did an upgrade with tuning and it turned out fantastic.

I got 2012 5.0 with e85 tune should I try this?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

Not sure if either of these pumps would be bigger than whats on the 5.0 GDI engine. Would have to cut up a 5.0 GDI pump to find out.

Did you get a chance to measure the stroke of the piston?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but off the top of my head I do not remember what it was. I will check again and report back.

@trentmeyer23

Жыл бұрын

The stroke of the piston should remain the same, as it's dependent on the camshaft.

@vegasdavis5404

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s 86mm

Would this work well on the 5 liter GDI?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

Unknown, I would have to cut up ta 5.0 GDI pump to see if if needs any upgrades.

A low side pressure increase is another means of more horsepower.

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is, but low side on the N cars seems to be sufficient for 400 + WHP.

@BrodeyDoverosx

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports Jesus Christ!

So upgrading hpfp gives you more hp? Would I need tune to notice that gain?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I thought I had made mention of it adding more fuel so you can tune for more boost inside of the video. No, the pump itself will not give more power, but it will give more fuel so you an get more power from more boost.

@i.d.6492

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports gotcha. So what mods would I need to get more fuel. I have 2021 vn pp

@slow_rednline4874

Жыл бұрын

@@i.d.6492 this filter removal or the pump where he mentions a specific part number for said upgrade. It was 17 min was that too long to keep your attention

Can this be done on the optima 2.0?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

I do not see why not.

Can I do this on the 2011 sonata 2.0 Turbo?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

Wouldn't know unless I cut a Sonata fuel pump apart like I did in the video.

Will these fit the tf optima 2.0t?

@TorkMotorsports

10 ай бұрын

I think that they do.

i think the upgraded pump is the Sonata N line

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

I do believe that is correct.

Let's try it on the soccer mom

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to getting some dyno results with Soccer Mom

should this be done to a '22 EN?

@TorkMotorsports

Жыл бұрын

I am getting ready to do it to the shop car, so... I will share the results.

@BecauseHYDE16

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports how can I follow closely? here on YT or FB/IG?

@BecauseHYDE16

Жыл бұрын

@@TorkMotorsports just picked up my ‘22 EN yesterday. Do I want to remove that filter for now if I go stage 1 or do I need to buy the upgraded fuel pump on your website? I think last we left off you were looking at an EN pump. Thank you so much.

My friends don't do that. I did it and it damaged my car. Now I have to fix my car because the pump draws too much pressure and the injectors are open and the engine is too rich in gasoline. It doesn't even work. Believe me, this is a headache. GDI system is very delicate I'm not damaging the mechanic's idea if it's not that it doesn't actually work I'm very sorry I'm letting you know why I saw this video and tried it and now I have to spend a lot of money to fix my car but I'm a guy I love sports cars and I like to make improvements and tricks but this one went wrong

@mohammedal-haythami855

6 ай бұрын

Same Thing in my engine without remove small filter in high pressure pump, i think is manufacturing defect or age limit or miles in high-pressure pump in GDi engine

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

It doesn't work that way, the ECU can control all of what happened to your car, so it has to be something else that caused the damage, not the fuel pump.

@TorkMotorsports

Ай бұрын

There are 3 or 4 filters before this small filter... if anything big enough made it through the first 3... this small filter at the end is not going to be able to stop whats coming.