so then, whos looking forward to rome 3? if you think this is interesting and want to know more about it, heres the full video covering this experiment on my second channel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4ejxrGvedHfnMY.html and heres a video i made after that, showing how rome 2s collision and physics is just completely embarrassing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lGSesZtveZWXn9Y.html and the parks and rec thing isnt even a meme: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZensbetg7Crd7Q.html

@metrobiusofsollkhav3143

2 жыл бұрын

@Volound we already have rome 3, its called Rise Son of Rome.

@CsStoker

2 жыл бұрын

I just want a good TW style game that stomps on CA and makes them go back to basics or kill them for good. The monopoly on the TW formula made them lazy, only proper competition makes products improve

@SobaYatai

2 жыл бұрын

Waiting for Shogun and Victoria 3 🗿

@DigBickDepresso

2 жыл бұрын

But your still playing Rome 2 ;)

@chargingnoisesintensify6335

2 жыл бұрын

i want rome 3

Rome 2 technically has collision but they call it soft collision after an update. It looks like scripts telling the entities to behave as bumper cars to me.

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

i described it as pinballing. bumper cars has something to it too.

@brodaviing6617

2 жыл бұрын

it also lags the game to utter shit if you're trying to storm a gate

@andrewshaw1571

2 жыл бұрын

Watch rome 2 at launch. Charges resulted in units squashing into a line before bouncing back out. The patches that fixed it caused models behind the front line to stop dead when the impact happened. This in the video is after loads of work to try to make it look vaguely acceptable.

@elpsykoongro5379

2 жыл бұрын

A think this is way Rome 2 phalanx is just not working While Rome 1 phalanx is actually a phalanx

@Melanrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@elpsykoongro5379 And it's deadly AF

Yes! This is what I was talking about! Not only makes it easier to move troops between formations, it also penalizes you. They move when there are no enemies, but if trying to be greedy and pull your skirmishers the last second they get overrun, surprise! your melee troops aren't going to break formation to let you pass. This coupled with actual collisions meant that skirmishers were stuck between their fellow soldiers and the enemy. This is what I call good features that help you but don't reduce the difficulty.

@sakesaurus1706

2 жыл бұрын

except you CAN'T CONTROL GODDAMN SKIRMISHERS THEY ALWAYS WAIT LIKE 30 SECONDS BEFORE RUNNING WHERE YOU TOLD EM

@MrHarding51

2 жыл бұрын

@@sakesaurus1706 you gotta time it right. If they are in the animation to throw again it takes a sec. But if you give the move order after they have finished a volley they seem to listen. I could be wrong but i swear it worked for me

@Rafael_Fuchs

2 жыл бұрын

@@sakesaurus1706 Spamming move orders for a second or two tends to get them to respond more quickly. Turning off skirmish behavior when you want them to move without their AI overriding the command is also very important. It's not foolproof, but it generally will get them to respond quicker. You also have to take into account the moment it takes for the unit to turn in the direction you want them to run. Changing formation to keep the shape they're in when moving at a 90 degree angle of where they're facing will decrease the time it takes for them to move by up to 5 seconds, depending on how you like to have formations. It's also a sneaky way to keep models alive in a unit by forcefully moving the damaged ones to the back of the formation with some micro.

@CheriShin21

Жыл бұрын

Late comment but regarding the skirmishers not responding immediately to a move command, what I do in medieval 2 (works also in rome 1 I believe) is quickly double tap the formation button (tap to put them in loose/close formation, tap again to revert them to their initial formation). This seems to "reset" the unit and make them stop whatever they are doing even in the middle of loosing a volley. You can then command them whatever and they would respond immediately. Works also with archers and all units generally. I also keep skirmish mode off so that it would not override my commands.

@krieger8825

Жыл бұрын

Imagine infantry just staring while the skirmishes are being massacred

Never noticed or remember that happened in Rome 1! Makes me love the base game even more!

@bopo900

2 жыл бұрын

But you didnt even notice.

@stefanjasovic2311

2 жыл бұрын

@@bopo900 redpilled

@andrewshaw1571

2 жыл бұрын

Its why cavalry charges feel so much more satisfying. Because you can see a serious impact with the cavalry front deforming on impact, compared to rome 2 which is more like a gust of wind hitting a pile of rose petals.

@sakesaurus1706

2 жыл бұрын

You can actually crumble your own formation (at no losses) if you charge a cavalry unit through it

@sakesaurus1706

2 жыл бұрын

In ETW you could even suffer losses if you route a cav charge through your own units

“Sorry dude, gotta get past real quick” “Dude, can’t you just clip through” “No man, I can’t. They put effort into the game” “Damn.”

I've yet to see a single unit from the old TW titles phase through one another. Even on bridge battles.

@Dolfy

2 жыл бұрын

On siege battles where units get stuck in corners, there can be scenarios where 10+ men squeeze into a single spot.

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

the men would die and fly up into the air before they would ever even think about forming pocket black holes by phase-merging with their comrades.

@boarfaceswinejaw4516

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volound as any good man would.

@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volound Doing That In Napoleon To Get A Frickin Machine Gun Is Fun Tho

@ivanthehighman177

2 жыл бұрын

@@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025 That happened to me so many damn times in star fort battles. It's funny at first but after a while, it's very annoying. But the funniest thing that happened to me is my grenadiers were running up a ramp in my starfort and just collided with a little error in the starfort structure and just mass amounts of men started dying and falling all the way back down, caused the unit to route and would have cost me the battle if it was not for my general. It was hilarious and angering at the same time, wish I recorded it to show Volound honestly. I hope others had errors like that too because if it only happened to me it would make me look like a liar.

Its the little things like this that is why I still play og Rome Total war. The battle physics and the way the troops respond to each other feels so much more real. The people who didn't grow up on the original TW games don't know what they are missing.

@sakesaurus1706

2 жыл бұрын

and campaign ai is less stupid

@Newidhan

2 жыл бұрын

I remember playing medieval 2 after and it was all completely ruined :(

@IronPanther76

2 жыл бұрын

RTW also had some of the best mods too. Extended cultures, RTR, and Europa Barbarorum were magnificent.

@duvalgrindmma5805

2 жыл бұрын

@@IronPanther76 Roma Serrectum

@IronPanther76

2 жыл бұрын

@@duvalgrindmma5805 Aye, that too.

who, wait, rome 1 actual has the soldiers change their formation slightly so that the other soldiers can move through their formation easier?

@prs_81

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Medieval 2 as well.

@whatthehell4644

2 жыл бұрын

Never noticed this aswell probably because im way to focused in thinking

@MrOrangeJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@Powd3r81 Well, I quite enjoyed repelling Milanese hordes on a 70° slope 😆

@MrSwareism

2 жыл бұрын

@@Powd3r81 but playing that kind of battle map on the eastern steppe was glorious. Your full-stack of Horse Archers have to maneuver around enemies on vast mountain range or try to cut off a wing before their reinforcement from the valley can arrive.. I miss those battle :'(

@spartanK42

2 жыл бұрын

@@Powd3r81 "You could also look at any place on the campaign map and it would have a literal battlemap created for it" Wasn't this a feature in later Total War games too? I remember how Shogun 2 would have cities in the distance if you fought next to one in the campaign map. I also recall trying to select the approximate location of Thermopylae in Rome 2 as my battle map in custom battles and the geography in the distance would match the campaign map. Or am I missing something and this was implemented differently in Rome 1 and Med 2?

It's even worse when you look how formations fight each other, or how charges look. In Rome 1 you could feel the momentum as your soldiers push into the enemy line, the force of their mass, as well as the enemy's resistance. In Rome 2 they just run up to them and start duels of mocap animated sync kills

@Userius1

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the momentum as your cavalry PRE-STIRRUP invention charging head on into blocks of infantry and then infantry just flying into the air.

@manijubell4054

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen lines of units compres into each other to about a 2 line thick size

@21Arrozito

Жыл бұрын

this started with Empire, Medieval 2 was the peak of combat, still had unit collision and used unit v unit animations sparsely, the following games overdid it

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

Yeesh, sry you guys played through it. We should have just kept all our TW time in TW1,2&3

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

@@Userius1 just wrap an arm around the horse's neck

And in rome the single soldier will attack anyone around him rather then get stuck in 1v1 animation

@vinculaomega5283

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention multiple soldiers ganging up on one from multiple directions

@knightofsvea604

2 жыл бұрын

Their bigest misstake The moment I saw those stupid Dumb "cool" battle cinamatics i turned of the game(s) Rome 2 Empire Napolion Atilla Iv played them all. Just shit in general.

@ballulallu4167

Жыл бұрын

@@knightofsvea604 "shit in general" your taste

@exterminator1107

Жыл бұрын

​@@ballulallu4167 lol

@lastword8783

10 ай бұрын

​@@knightofsvea604napoleon was fun you take that back 😂

Can we just appreciate the *URBAN COHORT* at the beginning?

@NinjaSushi2

Жыл бұрын

You put the Asterix on the outside of the quotes and it'll work.

@sup1602

9 ай бұрын

You mean cyborgs, the urban cohorts were op as shit.

It just blows my mind that they did it better 17 years ago. Lazines of these guys is just enormous ...

@aaryeekd.mishra3487

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, not laziness - just different priorities. Their main draw for Rome II was the better Graphics and the Campaign mechanics, while in the older games it was the Battle mechanics. Old Rome's campaign map doesn't compare with Rome II and the newer generation at all, but its battles was where the main draw and selling point was, and it shows. Only in Shogun 2 did they manage to tick both boxes - Battle and Campaign, though I never played it.

@zinswear6117

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaryeekd.mishra3487 I disagree, it's just shortcuts to save money / laziness. Also Shogun 2, while being really good in battles. The campaign isn't really that interesting, compared to the older. I think medieval 2 total war has the best campaign out of any total war games.

@ravenstrategist1325

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaryeekd.mishra3487 Well, the campaign mechanics in Rome 2 are horrible. The actual point is that Rome is a game made with Love and with a powerful Soul while Rome2 is souless shell full to the brim with illogical elements and inferior gameplay. Who in their right minds would remove the natural ability of the player to move single units on the campaign map. I could continue on and on this horrible horrible game, it is just so bad that words don't make it justice(or judgment).

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

the recycled animations for warhammer 3 are laziness. the decision to actually remove all of the work that was done in empire and beyond to have warhammer guns not even resemble guns took effort. the goal is a bad game. if it takes work, theyll do the work. whatever sells the most to the lowest common denominator.

@beno1129

2 жыл бұрын

@@zinswear6117 I agree, Medieval 2 remains the game that bridges old and new TW games.

The old programmers just realized they could make better money elsewhere and it looks like they were never replaced.

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

Big Tru

@simondesanta5774

Жыл бұрын

Shills

@StarFury2

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! This is not about laziness, it's about coding skills. Before gaming became profit driven industry ran by greedy corporations, titles were made by passionate creators with genius intellect.

@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010

8 ай бұрын

@@StarFury2 the game industry has always been for profit. the difference is back in the 80s-2000s games were made by nerds. now days games are made by girls who gave good blow jobs.

@insiainutorrt259

7 ай бұрын

@@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010 lol thinking they can even suck good at this point.... how cute

The best TW games: Rome 1 Med2 Shogun 2

@kanalisationerstellen

2 жыл бұрын

Shogun 2 looks so much fun but then there are just 3 kingdoms like wtf lemme have 50 families fight against each other daaaamn :3 i want to have diplomatic issues

@jseven5869

Жыл бұрын

Согласен, только без Shogun 2

@senseishu937

Жыл бұрын

What's the best qol mods for medieval 2?

@jseven5869

Жыл бұрын

@@senseishu937 Stainless Steel and Damask steel (Булатная сталь in original) good fashion.

@senseishu937

Жыл бұрын

@@jseven5869 I've heard of stainless steel, but not damask. What's the difference?

0:20 the way they make room looks so cool and professional

@sakesaurus1706

2 жыл бұрын

I literally did that [step back, step left] thing in my PE preparation

@lostkriegsguardsman8615

Жыл бұрын

@@sakesaurus1706 but during combat?

@generalbelisarius8103

Ай бұрын

@@lostkriegsguardsman8615 You can also do that during combat, especially to reroute your skirmishers to the back of the line

holy shit when they split in to columns to let the others through i felt a twang. im half mast now. thats some really incredible stuff

Just amazing how CA seems to backwards in terms of features and physics each year.

@stefanjasovic2311

2 жыл бұрын

To me its fascinating how they didnt even try to sell this, its just part of the game that like many others adds immersion. In new total war if it doesnt have its own button or whatever theyre not gonna make it

@cyllananassan9159

2 жыл бұрын

however they make more money than ever, my level of respect for gamers these days is -2/10, the blame isnt CA it is the gamers who spend the money

@knuckle1493

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyllananassan9159 Theyre tapping into the Chinese market is what is happening. 3 Kingdoms focusing on a retail launch is evidence. And now Warhammer 3 with Cathay.

@cyllananassan9159

2 жыл бұрын

@@knuckle1493 more reason not to buy their products, the CCP is pure evil

@thenoblepoptart

2 жыл бұрын

We will see, I hope they release Medieval 3 and have cool features like this.

All these in 2004?????!?!?!?!11?!!/1

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

they had barely been at it for 5 years. still learning their craft.

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

Game making in the 90's and a bit after was(on the mean) far more professional & well crafted. Once the corpos got their grubby money foolishness on the industry, It's been nothing but 'horse armor' and battle passes(with rare exceptions).

@MrSkeltal268

Жыл бұрын

@@daynarisbarathion8602 you’re not wrong. The 90s had a lot of dev teams who were finally given substantial budgets to do what they wanted at the time. And many were skilled on a mathematical level, doing some absolutely awesome things behind the scenes.

@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010

8 ай бұрын

games used to be made by male nerds and geeks believe it or not

And they go from soldiers engaging each other to 3 people duelling and 397 soldiers watching and waiting their turn

RTW1 was so satisfying to watch

@RunicRhino22

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, literally all they needed to do for the remake is to put in modern graphics, fix the bugs and path finding and that's it

@sakesaurus1706

2 жыл бұрын

@@RunicRhino22 rtw pathfinding is incredibly jank, u don't just fix it

All I remember is medieval 2 completely annihilated the collission and pathfinding and it drove me crazy.

In Rome 1 the AI would also try to retreat when it noticed that a battle wasn't going in its favor. Old CA was a much more competent company than they are now. 😐

@antoniodelaugger9236

Жыл бұрын

In Napoleon and Shogun 2 this is also the case (unless they're prohibited from retreating)

I still remember the fabulous "CHARGEEEE!" your Roman commander yelled when you use his unit to charge. Even the voice acting was well-executed.

I love it so much how the Urban Cohort makes way for the passing troops.

It's the small things that I loved about Tw rome and Medieval 2. I wished the newer games had this level of detail...

Nu-TW: It's like watching molecules bounce around when heated!

Rome 2’s AI immediately sending all of their troops to a single front and making it unfun

@tysongamerpro1095

10 ай бұрын

Your clearly playing on a low difficulty then, the ai in rome 2 is one of the best ive played with in any total war game.

Could just be nostalgia but Rome 1 will always be the best Total War game in certain contexts. It was a truly unique game and was super immersive for its time. The generals getting nicknames, population system, family tree, battles. Everything was perfect.

@andreaparolini1755

Жыл бұрын

The afternoons I spent playing Europa Barbarorum oh god 😭🖤

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

Nah it’s outdated

@WyattGeorgw

2 ай бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons it isn’t though i have played rtw for years and i never shall leave because of how well crafted it is. It is not a money making machine like most other games it costs a simple $10 or so and then you can do whatever you want. And by whatever i mean whatever. Theres no ads no buy this to get this you get everything they had to offer with unique battle aspects truly amazing population and kindgom running aspects compared to now with these greedy corporations making you pay absurd amounts of money just to play A GAME.

Yeah so many little things about Rome 1 was fantastic. More experienced the unit the more disciplined and orderly the formation would be on the battlefield when deploying. It's showed alot better with the barbarian factions units will not charge without orders as often if more experienced. Really missed those feature's in future TW.

@fabiocosta3830

Жыл бұрын

If i remember there is another cool feature. RTW1 has a simple body shot marker for range shots. That is, if the projectile hits a shield, it will block it unless is heavy projectiles (such as siege ones). If hits the body, it causes damage mitigated by the armor value, and usually headshots are fatal unless they have an helmet (if so it calculates with armor values). RTW2 all projectile blocking rolls a chance. Having a shield only reduce the chance to harm by about 20-25%.

These are the best shorts I've ever worn

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

eat my shorts

yet another glorious debunk of normie total war

@noone7206

2 жыл бұрын

deboonk

@Handlesaredumbm8

2 жыл бұрын

Missed opportunity to call it Normie War. Just like how they missed the opportunity to call Total Warhammer.

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

@@Handlesaredumbm8 *Big Tru* To this day, I await a well made version. And it will be called; *Total Warhammer*

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

As soon as I played Total War 1 I realized the backward slide this series has taken throughout every entry. *_The Immersion, the Simplicity & the Skillchallenge!_*

@simondesanta5774

Жыл бұрын

This isn't close to an normie Total War

One of the reasons I am looking for a competitor to CA

@lastword8783

10 ай бұрын

One of the things i dislike about CA is they seem to be not willing to further expand the scale of the armies. When you played Rome 1 you probably imagined in 20 years, total war games would have at least 10,000 troop armies. But we're stuck with 2000-3000 troops and all they do is improve graphics instead a little.

@cumunist2120

10 ай бұрын

@@lastword8783 lack of large numbers of soldiers doesn’t bother me as much. I want more connection between the strategic side and the tactical side and more campaign mechanics like how Attila does it and Rome 1s direct connection with the tactical map being a very zoomed in version of the strategic map so no more random handful of maps. as well as proper good naval battles like empire and better diplomacy

I swear when gaming companies get success, the money people come in and ruin everything. Suits are the death of good games. The money incentive does not create innovation that leads to better quality but simply more ways to squeeze their customers.

@eugenefrolov1396

7 ай бұрын

And the money incentive is the idea behind IP law. A totally wrong idea, because real talent doesn't rely on money.

I saw that in Medieval 2 recently. It really looked lit how my Armored Swordsmen made space for the Spearmen to go through their lines.

@lerui2820

2 жыл бұрын

Dude I never actually saw that, and Im messing around a lot with med custom battles. I'd really love the attention KZreadrs give to Warhammer would be directed the classics. "20 things you don't realise happen in the battlefield" or something like that. For example, I just figured out that if you try to charge from inside charge distance, troops will charge at different speeds meaning they will very unorganized charge that will be ineffective and spread the formation. Which kinda makes sense because if you tell a tightly packed formation to suddenly run, many people will bump against eachother. Best way is to give them speed then charge. These little things make me love the game a lot. Kinda wish I knew how to program a game and make a modern looking medieval with the collisions of Rome, the power of missiles in medieval, and the beautiful spear heads that cav make on light infantry formations

My biggest question with R2TW will always be in its relations to S2TW. How did things just go down hill so badly. S2 plays pretty tightly - gunpowder in relation to dodgey ground aside.

@arkplayer179

2 жыл бұрын

It didn't people are still clouded by the release which was indefensibly bad but if you look at it objectively rome 2 is really fun and engaging worst part of base game is the length of campaign but gameplaywise its great now and when u get used to basegame u hop on dei and then u realise u have 1.5k hours

@kennethm8731

2 жыл бұрын

@@arkplayer179 @abokasee so I do agree vanilla S2 will always beat vanilla rome 2 .. . but the DEI overhaul mod for Rome 2 turns it into an good game

@Jeyeyeyey

2 жыл бұрын

Rome 2 is literally the only game that puts me to sleep when I'm playing it lmao

@arkplayer179

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jeyeyeyey tried thrones?

@RoulicisThe

2 жыл бұрын

@@arkplayer179 we do not say that name here, it's cursed :D

The attention to detail of the older TW titles was insane for their times. I haven’t been a major fan of anything post Rome 2 (and Rome 2 obviously has and still has its issues). I prefer the historical titles although it almost seems like most of the talent went to the Warhammer teams when they split.

funny thing is empire and possibly napoleon have the same collision as the older games, its just that they dont have any transition animations

Oh my god the memories I get from watching this! I remember being in middle school not knowing a game like this even existed bought it by sheer luck and because the cover looked cool, it was during summer vacation i probably slept about 3 hours that first week playing this game non stop wish I had a pc to play these kind of games again

Rome 1 was a god damned masterpiece thats why

Rome 1 was such a great game I still remember playing off of my physical copy on my old dell pc such good memories

I tactic I used, as a kid, in Rome. Was force my army to mass runn on walls and bridges. With heavies you just pushes people of the wall. Was funny as hell. Man I miss this

I really like your usage of the term Nu-TW since it puts focus on the real problem of the decadence of mechanics in games, and also it is undermining idea of history/fantasy split that CA is imposing on its consumers, dividing us in half and distracting us from real issues.

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

damn right. people that go around saying "fantasy" and "historical" unironically like it means anything worth a damn whatsoever are embarrassing goobers, too timid and weak-willed be honest with themselves and everyone else.

@Toddespiel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volound excuse my ignorance qhat is Nu-TW?

@stefanjasovic2311

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toddespiel at first I thought new-TW, but maybe its noob-TW or nuts-TW Im not sure but it represents (unfortunate) direction total war has taken in the last decade or so

@Toddespiel

2 жыл бұрын

@@stefanjasovic2311 my all time fav game series has died. last tw game I bought was attilla which is a huge disappointment as well. I can't play it anymore. CA will pay the price by losing it's fanbase soon

@Kaiserboo1871

2 жыл бұрын

Too be fair, they haven’t done much with history while fantasy games continue to get tons of development and new games. Rome 2 was the last major historical total war and that was almost a decade ago. After that all we got was Attila and Thrones of Britannia (neither were that good). And no I don’t count Three Kingdoms or Troy as historical. Their source material reads more like fantasy than history and the fact they have individual hero units speaks volumes. All this while they still haven’t touched (at least not extensively) the Pike and Shot Era (Thirty Years' War, English Civil War, French Wars of Religion, Ottoman Wars in Europe) nor have they touched the Victorian Era (Crimean War, American Civil War, Paraguayan War, etc.).

The OG Total War games will always the best, no idea what happened to Creative Assembly...

It actually drives me insane that probably the most effective strategy in Warhammer is just to charge huge monsters directly through your units who in combat like they arent there.

This is why medieval 2 is great. I remember it must’ve been a decade ago. Being besieged by a small Spanish force with a full stack reinforcing army. All I had were two units of French noble knights. When the reinforcements came in I charged out my knights and laid a devastating charge on the reinforcing army in the corner of the map. I was able to hit them all at once killing hundreds on the charge. The reinforcing army broke and routed then I turned round and mopped up the small besieging force easily. For some reason I haven’t forgotten it in all these years. Nicely done Apollo thx for great content and positive attitude.

@eugenefrolov1396

7 ай бұрын

Oh those M2TW moments. Winning heroic battles against all odds. It can't be remade

The difference between a game made with love, and another made for profit.

Bin seit Jahren stiller Zuschauer, danke dir für alles :) hast mich während Höhen und Tiefen begleitet. Schaue deine Videos echt sehr gerne weil Total War auch eines meiner Lieblings Reihe an Games ist:) frohe Festtage dir und deiner Familie.

Medieval 2 also had the same unit collision but even better graphics and with mods it’s still the best TW game of all time

That makes alot of sense. Everytime i send my calvary over i always think I'm killing my own guys

@lucfxgambitgaming7494

9 ай бұрын

In Empire and NTW you're actually killing your inf with cav

Watching these videos get me so bummed out at the state of total war.

@daynarisbarathion8602

Жыл бұрын

Don't fear, just find an indie crew who feels the same and give them money & word-of-mouth marketing.

now lets see how they behave when they encounter an obstacle, like a tree, when in testudo formation

Early TW games were made by guys who grew up with a passion for computers and who partially taught themselves how to do it. They lived and breathed what they did. Modern industry programmers are just people who went to a university and applied for a job. They are doing it because it interests them but also because it’s how they want to make money. There is actually a big difference.

Why did they remove that? It looks so cool and handy for skirmishers to get in and out of the frontline

@ieoz4335

Жыл бұрын

Degradation, unfortunately...

I want Rome 3 to be Rome 1: with Improved Game Engine Rome 2: with Improved Graphics

@MrObewan2020

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah really my only issue with Rome 1 was the damn pathfinding.

Also look how the Disciplined units make space for formation to walk pass them while the undisciplined ones don't. I haven't play Rome 1 in years but I think that was a thing.

The synchronised "URBAN COHORT" at the beginning goes hard af. What should have been included in this was the fact that Rome 1 loads up and plays in like less than a minute with at most 2 load screens. Whereas Rome2 is at least 5 minutes of loading.

Hey volound, you should check out Total Conquest for Rome Remastered: It baffles me how much better they made Carthage when Compared with Rome 2, in the latest update. Basically Cartaghe is split in 3 Factions like Vanilla rome but they got special Unification Mechanics, Events, Decisions and Expansion paths. They're soo much better than whatever Rome 2 was doing and when not playing as them the AI actually becomes a challenge!

If only they would have made Total War open source, so that modders could not only fix the many issues of the games, but improve and build upon them. Granted of course it should never come down to us to build the game for free for a multimillionaire company.

@andrewgreeb916

2 жыл бұрын

Bethesda all but expects modders to fix their game post launch, there are lower bars for CA to drop to

You can see how they really cared back then and now their "efforts" are effortless

Charge maxed Carthaginian War Elephants head first into some Barbarian Peasants to see what collision looks like

Why put the effort in? people keep buying the games and their DLC's at increasing rates so there's no encouragement for CA to start caring again and they never will, once one of these games tanks they won't suddenly wake up and realize they have to overhaul the gameplay, they'll just get shut down and no lessons will be learned.

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

exactly. race to the bottom and vicious cycle of decay of games and reduction of expectations.

@literallynothinghere9089

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volound You put it very aptly man

@moisesyome4058

2 жыл бұрын

Funny enough I have stopped supporting them for those very reason.

Makes me want to buy Rome Remastered (I had Rome on disc and I have no disc drive anymore) just to see units acting as if they had actually received any training other than how to stand in a sqaure

@teemuvesala9575

2 жыл бұрын

I recommend Rome remastered anyway… Original Rome has issues running in modern PCs. For me it didn’t even work.

@Hangman108

2 жыл бұрын

They have improved Rome Remastered quite a lot since release. It's a very enjoyable experience on a modern PC. Haven't had lag, or crashes in 20+ hours of playing it, with the newest patch, which is officially the last one.

@RoulicisThe

2 жыл бұрын

@@teemuvesala9575 Have you tried using the "windows compatibility tool" when installing it ?

I really do miss that Feature in TW these days. That and Matched Combat and the really beautiful animations they had.

The first game's collisions are pretty impressive imo

I disagree with this guy's political beliefs... but dear God is sign a petition to put him at the head of the TW dev team.

@Marshmobilise

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t want to start a politics flame war but imo it’s his politics that allows him to have the analytical framework to critique this sorry mess like he does. Without that politics you just are critiquing design choices rather than the profit seeking motive that drives those choices in the first place.

@knuckle1493

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marshmobilise im out of the loop whats this dude on about with politics?

@Marshmobilise

2 жыл бұрын

@@knuckle1493 i really dont wanna go into it, it never ends well its always a big marxist vs liberal argument and i cba. Volound cites marx's theory of labour value and theory of commodification a few times in different videos - infering he is himself a marxist though i dont think i've ever seen him outright say this , so it is an assumption on peoples part that he is. full disclousre im a marxist too but i really cba for the youtube flame wars its not productive and a total waste of everyones time.

@RunicRhino22

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marshmobilise well, he might agree with one point that Marx came up with, but doesn't necessarily mean that he'd advocate for total Marxism

@wilhufftarkin8543

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marshmobilise You don't need politics to recognize greed.

It's amazing how they can go so far backwards, both in game mechanics and in things like the general speeches, population or building cities

Such grace, they would open their lines for those behind them to move into the fray, much like it was historically with the checker formation of Roman Maniples.

Graphics get better, game gets simpler and they call it progress.

@SpeartonMan

Жыл бұрын

The world of video games is a mess precisely for that reason

Those Rome 1 Legionaries tho.... 😍

I like the mechanic of the first better anyway, roleplays an actual disciplied, well trained army.

And the gorgeous sound design of all those soldiers affirming their orders and the stomping on the ground. It felt like you were in the battle. Plus the original score was breathtaking. Rome 2 sounds like a wet cardboard.

Velites: "move out the way bitch, we're on the frontlines"

I repeat HOW CAN A GAME MADE IN 2013 LOOK WORSE THAN ONE MADE IN 2000 AND FUCKING FOUR?

@wasabcwasabc

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't

@pira707

2 жыл бұрын

@@wasabcwasabc the mechanics definitely say otherwise.

This same feature is in medieval 2 total war, it surprises me how RTW and M2TW have collisions with units that other total wars don't have

That was so cool to see the disciplined legionaries do a formation change to allow the velities through.

I really like R2TW. I used to think it was garbage bc of it's release state, but as soon as i played it with all the DLCs and stuff, it was really cool. Tho i got it with no DLCs originally, i mostly enjoy it thanks to Divide Et Impera

all I can hear in my mind when I saw it : excuse me... excuse me... coming though as they wobble around XD

There's so much more detail in general. The way cities actually had the buildings you built on the campaign map in battle. Seeing landmarks like the colossus of Rhodes in the battle map or even volcanoes depending on where you entered combat. Roads trafficked by traders on the campaign map. How shields seemed to actually work like shields and didn't just feel like cosmetics, The wealth of historical information in game. Why did they abandon all this?

LMAO the Urban Cohorts. Literal supermen.

Rome 1 was made with love you can tell

I just wish they go back to these more historical games. The high fantasy WH and mega general Three Kingdoms/Troy don’t appeal to me. Medieval 3, Rome 3,

total war three kingdoms has this feature just with a single man general unit like say (example : General Cao Cao can move through whole formations on a horse they will all get outta his way). So with that in mind we know they can add these features to the new games they just choose not to or have forgotten the application of the feature completely

This is one of a TON of features that makes me so sad. They absolutely gutted total war.

CA has lost technology somehow

I 100% noticed this especially when playing the main civilization factions; Rome has a good design for it and it works even with some janky motions and clippings. Only the barbarian factions seemed to lack this feature Rome 2 got a lot of flak for some pretty minor things the first game had; though Rome 2 had its moments, many say it pales in comparison to Rome 1.

@BlackAngus69

2 жыл бұрын

Rome 2 got a lot of deserved flak from the community because it was terrible. EE was the first version of the game that was playable.

To this day, the formations on the first game are so good that they were also featured in a documentary series.

You felt the weight of an advancing phalanx in the og game.

The fact that the more disciplined units woud fucking form in columns to let the others pass is insanely good.

They've lost the technology.

@Volound

2 жыл бұрын

like roman concrete or greek fire. we will never see it again.

They did that because game review were complaining that units get stuck in each other

Okay nice, I remember seeing my infantry sometimes have those strange gaps in the lines, but I only ever noticed it after I had already run my troops through them, now there’s a nice explanation for it

CA discovered that instead of actually fixing total war they could fill it will dragons and it will sell more

@turgon327

2 жыл бұрын

It works though

@lepathewarrior4445

2 жыл бұрын

At least TW:WH is actually good, unlike the new """historical""" TWs

@deumevet

2 жыл бұрын

@@lepathewarrior4445 its good if you pay 200 euros for all the dlc's

@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496

2 жыл бұрын

@@deumevet nah the base races are pretty good. It's only expensive if you want it all in one shot. Granted they should bundle it all up for half off for the first two games since they are old now. But really once you find your favorite race just get dlc for that. Mine is dwarves and ogres so. That's one to two for me lol.

CA seriously needs to take a page from Bohemia Interactive with ARMA and update this ancient game engine. It worked for Napoleon and Empire, kinda for Shogun but moreso Fall of the Samurai.... and thats about it. They should use Medieval 3 to completely redesign how cav and infantry behave in the game engine cause right now it feels like an indie studio made this. For "Creative" Assembly, that lot sure isnt all too creative.

I have not messed around rome1 in a hot minute... seeing the units spread and form gaps blew my mind. Mainly because immortal elves ripping their aesthetic cant do it in TWIII

The combat animations whilst basic also have a beautiful, authentic feel to them. The way they move into proximity, knock each-other back and forth, how soldiers naturally find themselves facing different numbers of opponents as men fall and others take their place. Sync animations are prettier but they lack the authenticity of the different situations that could emerge from Rome's combat.

Bruh they are both still good.

I am so sad to see developers loose the love to the details more and more. I rather have bad graphics etc, but a detail rich game. Play starsector for example. Old gen graphics but still unmatched by most games

The collision comment between these two games isn't about friendly units moving through each other It's about how units react when they collide with enemy units during a charge....

There is just something about rome 1 that keeps bringing back to it no matter how much more historically accurate rome 2 is or how much more advanced it is.

Why don’t we get to keep cool stuff like this? Watching units change formations is awesome